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5minsmadness:
You ranted.
You didn't address my post.
You didnt address the valid interpretation of the NLT which is read by countless millions around the world.
You jumped over all that and gave your own unendorsed and unfounded opinion(and in a high soprano voice i would imagine)
That is the height of illogicality.
But I forgive you. It is not gentlemanly to continue arguing with you.
That would make me effeminate

There was nothing to address in the jargon you wrote. All relevant discussion had already taken place, refer to previous posts. Call me when you make logical statements on this thread.
There's nothing wrong with my high soprano. I can make millions from my lovely voice! Try harder!

coogar:
equal?
do you have a peniš? show me if you do.

Eww.
We are opposite and equal . This has been established. Don't you diversionary tactics to change the subject! Hahaha

This thread is an evidence why FEMINISM must exist as long as patriarchy exists, to avoid tyranny, dictatorship, despotism and the misappropriation of power.
I'm sure a lot of men would have died now because of my comment. Hehehe!

coogar:
opposite angles are the same.
if it's 30 on one side, it's 30 on the other side too. no cheating.
2 different things can never be the same. the example you cited are 2 same things placed in opposite directions.

We are opposite and equal then! How about that? No superiority argument for you there. Watch it while it goes into the lagos lagoon.

coogar:
that was how that homicidal akolade arowolo started too. legend has it that he was a fantastic cook. a beta-type husband who would stop at nothing to do every house chore until.........

Boohooo! Jealousy!

5minsmadness:
I prefer the NLT version:
Then he said to the woman, "I will sharpen the pain of your pregnancy, and in pain you will give birth. And you will desire to control your husband, but he will rule over you."
Fighting for equality can be a depressing sport at times. No matter how many women advance to positions of power, and in spite of all those progressive action movies out there to prove that scantily-clad blondes can karate chop and headbutt just as well as the men, it is still much pretty obvious that the female is the gentler and more fragile of the species.
And all i see in this statement is overwhelming jealously for the male species. "the need for superiority"? loooool! My dear, it is your need to not appear inferior that makes you see any man that approaches you as a threat. Truth be told, you will only settle down when you outgrow this insecure attitude.
Twist it anyhow you want, God (Omnipotent, Omniscient) created Eve as an afterthought. It might sting, but there it is. And creation has not rested since.

This is so weak.
Do anyone of you pose as a threat to me? Rotflmao. One of my opening statements on this thread was that all illogical statements will be crushed. And crushed will it be.
God's original intention was not to make you rule over the woman. I hope you can sleep well at night knowing this revelation, that you were made EQUAL to a women. Rotflmao!

coogar:
not necessarily....
it's just to buttress my point that there's no equality between the two. the source is different for the male & the female.
2 different things cannot be equal.
now that we have established adam wasn't equal to eve then we should analyse which of them was superior to the other....agreed?
there are hundreds of millions of christians in villages all over the world who still plant yams to make a living. what have you gotta say to that?

Wow you really would like to feel superior, don't you?
In mathematics there is something called Vertical Opposite Angles or congruent angles. The angles turn out to be opposite and equal!
So yes two different things can be equal.

hahn:
I agree with this. Most times I watch my wife do home chores and honestly its not easy. From sweeping to washing plates, cooking, cleaning, washing clothes etc, women really need men to assist in the house. If we really are stronger than women as we claim then we should be able to handle having a job and still assist with the home chores. I believe the main problem is most guys aren't taught how to take care of themselves. I've lived and squatted with a lot of dudes and most guys can barely cook, clean or take care of the house. Its always war trying to figure out who'll take the responsibility of cleaning or washing plates.

Women should also endeavour to teach their sons how to do basic home chores. If every man is able to do that, it will be easeir to become involved in the house chores during marriage

Here's a man full of logic and wisdom!

coogar:
i am fully-aware of the things around me.



it's the same!
i can even argue it's worse now. office work has turned some people into relics. people jump off high rise buildings everyday cos they cannot deal with the stress these days



the foods are no longer fresh.
everything is now processed - this builds up fats and stuff & thus obesity. nothing to do with your theory.

It has everything to do with my theory. When was the last time you went to plant yam?

coogar:
possibly....
however, one could argue adam would always be superior as he was made from sand while eve was made from adam. they did not come from the same source.

there are too many things that weren't in God's plan. we are not supposed to wear clothes too.....that curse still remains. Jesus only managed to bargain paradise for us. he couldn't remove the original curse, no one can.

until the curse, a man only needed to reach for the fruits and eat. after the curse, he must till the soil to eat. if the curse had been truly removed, why is everyone still working their assës off to pay bills? shouldn't there be manna falling freely somewhere for christians?

Lol, possibly, hahaha.
Superiority is now a thing of who was made from sand and who wasn't?

coogar:
the tilling of the soil is a figurative speech - we all must work to eat. people are out there doing 9-5. it's the equivalent of tilling the soil.
however, the labour pain is as real as it gets.
500,000 women die in nigeria every year as a result of pregnancy complications according to
WHO. surely, no curse has been lifted.
sipping cocktails?
the only thing you would be sipping is oxygen gas to reduce the pains. you dunno what you are dealing with.

For a man, you seem to know more about pregnancy pains. Seems you have given birth before to know, rotflmao!
Yes we all must work to eat, but you cannot compare the way we work now to how it was in the past. Most of us don't do any strenuous activity, we live a more sedentary lifestyle that is why you all get fat. In the past only emperors were fat, today over 1 billion people are fat. So indeed this curse is almost irrelevant.

coogar:
so you actually agree God cursed the woman to serve her husband? at no point was this curse removed by Jesus. even mary went through excruciating pangs of pain in a donkey stable. her screams was heard by the 3 wise men from the middle east. that was how they were able to locate her.

So you agree there was NO hierarchy in the garden prior to the curse? Because to curse someone means to take away privileges.
That means the husband was NOT SUPPOSED TO RULE OVER THE WOMAN! Bulls eye!

coogar:
thunder fire your weave on!
aproka!



sister sara is a woman & i care a lot for her.



cain the vagabond negotiated what?
the only good deal we are getting is the promise of paradise. the suffering during childbirth on earth remains constant for every woman. there's no escaping it!



you are still choosing to return?
when you have finally chosen to return...get pregnant & go to the village. when it's time for you to deliver, record a video of yourself and let's see how easy it is for you to pussssssh!

God also gave humans the wisdom to make life easy for us through modern technology. It has made it possible that what we want to eat is just a click away, all of us don't have to do the farming and tilling of soil, going by the curses to the man. So also modern technology have provided me with epidural and anesthetics. Yeah, I will indeed send you a video where I will be lounging and sipping cocktails while giving birth. Curse has been liftedddddddddddddddddddddddddddd!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Boohoo.

5minsmadness:
Even in heaven there is heirarchy.
God is not equal with his angels. he comes first and His Word is Law.
Then there are the cherubim and seraphim, higher angels that stand in the holy of holies
then there are the principalities and powers in high places
then we have arch angels, guardian angels, messenger angels, etc.

Heirarchy.

Preach to the public you mean, right? Not in the church.

Rubbish! In your spare time, go and shoot those female pastors running churches for daring to preach, you hear.
The need for superiority in you men is a devilish attitude that christianity needs to deal with.
If God's original intention was to create hierarchy on earth, why then did He make this a curse to the woman

Your desire will be for your husband,
and he will rule over you.

coogar:
and the christian women who have no access do such or who are poor to afford such should do what?

When did you start caring about women? Fraudulent sympathy is all I smell here.

this isn't a curse placed by a witchdoctor or a herbalist. it's a divine curse by God for the consequences of the disobedience in heaven. the sins of thy father shall be revisited on thy 7th generation.

Huh, even Cain negotiated with God on his punishment, how much more today that we have Jesus Christ. We are in a dispensation of grace, mercy, forgiveness and repentance, and we are NO MORE responsible for the sins of our fathers. Coogar better go back to bible class.

God's original plan isn't an option.
even virgin mary nearly died in bethlehem while giving birth to christ. she screamed & grunted cos she had to serve the punishment placed on women by God.

The original plan stands firm in this discussion and it is an option. God has given us choices and I choose to return to the original plan of God!

pickabeau1:
These matters are serious
Twisting /adding or deducting from the scriptures is not a light matter .

There is history behind the bible. Christians need to understand this fact. Words were translated from hebrew to greek then to english. Words lose their original meaning after going through translations.

TV01:
H-E-L-P-ME-E-T!
TV
^{Kissing ke? Pa Adam was Alpha & Ma Eve was a babe - he woulda hit that !}

Lol, I've already dissected the word helpmeet, refer to previous posts.

Let's look at that scripture again

Your desire will be for your husband,
and he will rule over you.”

For this to be a curse, God's ORIGINAL intention was NOT for a husband to rule over a wife.
As christians we pray every curse shall be broken, I decree today that this curse be broken in the name of Jesus! Can I hear an Amen? Rotflmao

pickabeau1:
For those who are seeking to twist the Bible to say things about the woman being a lifesaver
All i will say is this
all these warping is dangerous
I dont want to argue something that is clearly written in the Bible
God created male and female yes BUT he manifested man first and made the woman using his ribs as a base to help him in his assigment
Now HELPMATE/MEET is now Lifesaver
Ok o
cc: Stiilfire

So it now a matter of first position? Hahahaha According to the bible the first shall be the last!!!!! Hahahaha

TV01:
Stilly, Stilly, Stilly, ah, ah! Please tell us what God original plan was?

My take;
Adam was always to be the head - hence, he was held accountable when he hearkened to Eve's voice and sinned. If they were to be considered equals, then it was clearly the woman who fell into transgression.

Sholly, Sholly, Sholly, I've answered you now? Abi?? I believe in a Lawgiver and one who has given us a conscience that knows broadly right from wrong - even if it is learned to a degree. Plus you didn't answer my question about the origins of mankind?

Feminism demands a minimum of equality - a woman that chooses to let her man lead has denied feminism in it's essence - and not revoking her card is a sign of your desperation to keep your numbers up, not ideological fidelity.

Toying with feminists is getting boring !

I see BlackLeopard has flounced off in a hissy fit. Where's that mangina called FrancisTony? Let me knock his little head !


TV

TV, TV
The plan of living together, side by side as equals in the garden, k-i-s-s-i-n-g.

coogar:
i agree it was never in the plan to create hierarchy. eve's stupidïty queered the pitch for the woman and the man was placed above him.

the curses cannot be broken through the blood of Jesus. there's a consequence for every sin even if it has been forgiven. the curse God placed on man & woman still exists. even pastor's wives go through excruciating labour pains.

Oh you agree, we are making progress. There is always epidural.
When one is cursed, you do everything within your power to break out of such curse.
No sane person would continue to live under a curse.

Now the question is should I live under a curse or return to God's original plan? You guessed right, I am returning to God's original plan!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Woohooooo

coogar:
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permit me to say those bible scholars are fraudulent. what may arise in each church would never have surfaced in the bible as the general laws. maybe loving one neighbour as one's self only applies to the church in philistine - and tithing shouldn't even apply at all for nigerians, it was meant for the church in samaria.

stillfire, you are better than this.

Ohhh, So I should believe the sinful coogar on NL, than bible scholars hahaha! You too you are better than this.
Yes tithing should not apply either, are Nigerians levites?

pickabeau1:
So Paul's teachings in 1 and 2 Cor applies only to the church in Corinth

So the body being the temple of the Lord is only for corinthians

I would have laughed but this pick and choose method is really dangerous

Can you guys leave the bible out of this feminist stuff


On your first statement
You are right about the curse however God deemed Adam accountable for the transgression by asking him
The woman was a help
Yes she was cursed but she was meant to help the man

U can't twist that

I did not bring the bible into it. But if you people want to debate the bible, I will gladly, gladly oblige.
There were times when Paul spoke by the spirit, and their were times when he spoke by his own volition.
Attending to petty squabbles in the church was one of it. People forget the disciples were men and there were times when the disciples had to debate among themselves!
God is our helper, it doesn't mean we are superior to God.
The bible was translated from hebrew to greek to english. Words lose their meaning after each translation. The English language does not translate the word helpmate very well. It is derived from the root word 'ezer kenegdo', which translates to something of deeper meaning.

It means something far more powerful than just "helper"; it means "lifesaver." The phrase is only used elsewhere of God, when you need him to come through for you desperately. "There is no one like the God of Jeshurun, who rides on the heavens to help you

The case that begins to build is that we can be sure that `ezer means "strength" or "power" whenever it is used in parallelism with words for majesty or other words for power such as `oz or `uzzo. In fact, the presence of two names for one king, Azariah and Uzziah, both referring to God's strength, makes it abundantly clear that the root `ezer meaning "strength" was known in Hebrew.
(R. David Freedman, "Woman, a Power Equal to a Man," Biblical Archaeology Review 9 [1983]: 56-58).

Therefore, we conclude that Genesis 2:18 be translated as "I will make a power [or strength] corresponding to man." Freedman even suggests on the basis of later Hebrew that the second word in the Hebrew expression found in this verse should be rendered equal to him. If so, then God makes for the man a woman fully his equal and fully his match. In this way, the man's loneliness will be assuaged.

God's initial plan was never to create an hierarchy. It was a curse. And all curses shall be broken through the blood of Jesus Christ!

crackhaus:
Love your neighbor as yourself is not equality, it's equity.

Equality aims to promote fairness and justice, but
it can only work if everyone starts from the same place and needs the same things.

Equity aims to promote fairness and justice, despite our obvious differences and needs.

Equity o, equality o, all grammatical jargon to make you sleep well at night! As far as a man is NOT defined as being superior to a woman.

According to the UN

Equality between women and men (gender equality): refers to the equal rights, responsibilities and opportunities of women and men and girls and boys. Equality does not mean that women and men will become the same but that women’s and men’s rights, responsibilities and opportunities will not depend on whether they are born male or female. Gender equality implies that the interests, needs and priorities of both women and men are taken into consideration, recognizing the diversity of different groups of women and men. Gender equality is not a women’s issue but should concern and fully engage men as well as women.

BABE3:
we're not talking about heavenly matters. When we get to heaven all of us will be on the same level (so they say). Heaven.. the extra magical disneyland.

So you do accept that there's an hierarchy on earth? Good. And jesus was okay with it? Sweet. If he wasn't, he would have spoken on women's rights. Cool.

Back to my question Stillfire, why did he make the husband the head, if we're all "one in Christ"?

Nope. I hope I am talking to a Christian, otherwise do not waste my time. You are called to live with such qualities on earth as well as in heaven.
Where did I accept hierarchy on earth?
Hierarchy was never the original plan of God. It was as a result of a curse.

coogar:
so why then does the same new testament say no woman should make a sound in church. if she's unclear about any teaching, she should direct the question to her husband.

We have had this discussion before. Bible scholars say Paul mediated over various matters that may arise in each church and he set guidelines for each church to follow. The book of corithinans, is actually the book for the church in corinthians. If the women of corinth were troublesome, it doesn't mean women in Antioch were. That was the way he settled the matter for the people of corinth. That is why christianity permits both men and women to preach.

coogar:
equal opportunity between men.
women were always in the back seat. how come Jesus never hand picked a female as one of his disciples? was there a scarcity of righteous women?

Equal opportunity between men? Lol. Look below.

BABE3:
...and not once did he preach against slavery. Slaves were actually part of his sermons. He taught his followers to treat their slaves well. You can have slaves but treat them well.
... same applies to women/feminism. "Treat each other well but there's an hierarchy. Men are men. Women are women. Slaves are slaves. "
He made man the head in marriage? Marraige: arguably the most important institution. how? Why?

The New Testament presupposes a fundamental equality because all humans are created in God’s image (James 3:9). Yet, an even deeper unity in Christ transcends human boundaries and social structures: no Jew or Greek, slave or free, no male and female, as all believers are all “one in Christ Jesus” (Galatians 3:28; cp. Colossians 3:11).

cococandy:
Women are not happy. That's the argument

Maybe we can borrow a smile from these women that respected their husbands and were very happy then. see the one on the far right, rotflmao.

https://www.randafricanart.com/images/Yoruba_women_photo.jpg

BABE3:
is/was jesus a feminist ?

Jesus was for equal opportunity. He told us to treat ourselves as one, love your neighbor as yourself, no be equality be that? , so yes He was and is a feminist.

How can you post this kind of thread and not feel embarrassed? Rotflmao!

What's the argument again? Someone should fill me in? I keep on seeing Jesus, Jesus (in Igbo accent) everywhere.

coogar:
women should be educated - contrary to what you think, every man desires a woman that can present a mentally-stimulating points in an argument. however, if she desires to marry & raise rugrats, her career needs to pause till those kids make it to high school(at the very least). it's the most ideal method to nourish the kids.



because there are women(albeit very few) who do not desire marriage or desire to have kids. for this minority few, nothing should stop them from going as far as they can in their career. maternity leave or what not does not apply to them.

for the ones who wants to be married to a man and perhaps have kids in the future, they should be educated enough to a degree level and then stay home to raise their families.

it's counter-productive to the economy to give women equality rights to pursue degrees in top universities only for those women to abandon their career to raise kids. for every woman that does that, a man who could have taken his career to the level of einstein has been denied.



i am very poor in the kitchen - it's a skill i never thought i needed. if i am hungry, i will buy food rather than waste my precious time adding derivatives to cook nkwobi & egusi stew.

Every man wants a mentally stimulating woman, but do not want the consequences of her being mentally stimulated. Do you put into consideration that the prospects of getting a job after being out for years limits anyone's chances of joining the workforce afterwards. If you can assure women that the future won't be bleak for them, maybe they will stay home . For now, I have a solution though, men should be invested in the home as well as much as women, in order to 'strike a balance'. I am not against protecting the family unit. Good families make for good society.

By derivatives, I mean maths/physics o. Read that sentence again.

it's counter-productive to the economy to give women equality rights to pursue degrees in top universities only for those women to abandon their career to raise kids. for every woman that does that, a man who could have taken his career to the level of einstein has been denied.

I agree 100%. But crazie bone thinks there's nothing wrong in it going all the way and not getting anything out of it.

coogar:
i can categorically tell you the modern woman is extremely sad. 1 in 3 women take anti-depressants in the US. the study also found that women are two and a half times more likely to take antidepressant medication as males,

23% of women ages 40 to 59 take antidepressants, more than in any other age or sex group. in a nutshell, you cannot be happy and yet consume such amount of pills. the use of anti-depressants has gone up to a whopping 400% in the last 2 decades.

mr crackhaus, i hope i have been able to convince you that the modern woman is extremely sad.

All these can be explained. Has nothing to do with the logic of this thread that is due to women working. There are reasons and it is all biological.

40 to 59 years are the menopausal years.
Depression may strike at any time, but women appear to be particularly vulnerable during their childbearing years. Women are at highest risk for depression during pregnancy and shortly after delivery. One recent study indicated that as many as 25 percent of women suffer from depression during either pregnancy or postpartum period. Yet, in most of these women, the illness goes unrecognized and untreated.

coogar:
not in my lifetime.....
my wife has to have an excellent culinary skill even when she's pregnant. pregnancy is not a disease. she would cook more while pregnant sef. pregnant women need to exercise more to ease delivery of the child.

Lol, this is why I like you. The fraud on this thread is annoying. In one breath they say women are not cut out for so called tough jobs and are sad, but they still want her to pursue her education, get straight A's and become a housewife. What then is the essence of all that education? Men deciding women's fate since 300 BC. Chai!
So what do you think of the premise of this discussion? If women are not cut out for the workforce, cannot build civilization, are basically tantamount to nonentities who are stealing the air that men are supposed to only breathe, shouldn't women focus more on their 'innate' home economics skills, why educate a girl to university taking the space of genuine men like yourself who need to get admission into the university? Are you going to use derivatives to cook nkwobi and egusi soup?

5minsmadness:
I wash plates even when my girl is around. What's wrong with that?

Wow wow wow, all of a sudden all the men on this thread are 'homely'. Saving this thread for future use! Hahaha
Where's Coogar jare, Coogar are you going to be in the kitchen while your unpregnant wife relaxes in the room and your mum visits?