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craziebone:
hmm, i see you are getting desperate now. I think you should quit with the head-start argument.

In ancient Athens, equal priority was given to both men and women education. Infact, the modern education equality that has been codified in western education of today is simply a copy-cat from the Athenian education. But in Greece or Athens, the men still went on ahead to dominate intellectualism. When you think Greece, the like of Aristotle, Plato, Socrates, Pythagoras etc are the ones that come to mind. This is despite the fact that the girl child education was given equal attention by their society.

At the begining of formal education in Europe (when i say Europe, i mean we should excluded the romans and the greeks), access to education was more classist rather than sexist. Rich women got access to education more than the ordinary man got! And that means they were more educated than the average man.

No, i do not believe that there are courses women should not take up. I have always being in favour of "let everyone do what they want to do". What i am against is the forcing of women into courses they just do not find fulfiling, on the average and you take slots from men and giving them to women simply because they are women. Although that doesn't happen here in Nigeria, but it does happen around the world. I am also against the shaming of other women who just do not want the so-called empowerment the feminist folk want to shove down their throat. And by empowerment, i mean taking up 'positions of power' when the woman actually wants something else.

[b]I think feminism should be about giving women a choice and that means, if she wants to be a SAHM (stay at home mom), so be it! But feminists go about shaming such women and telling them that it was better they did not waste tax payer money in the first place by getting an education in the first place. They say this as if education is first of all about getting a job rather than a better relationship with nature. Thr likes of you, Bukatyne and stillfire are the ones who get angry at women who go to school and refuse to take up a career. Again, that's a shallow way to look at education; that it is for getting a job.

Lastly, men have always had the choice to pick a woman who suits them for a wife. But the problem is...when most men refuse to pick a woman with a strong drive for work and career, they are termed weak, insecure and intimidated by a strong, independent and successful woman. People who shame men this way deny that a man can have an option. And as a result, we see men, who ordinarily wouldn't go for a 'successful' woman due to the simple and innocent fact that they are just not compatible, go for such women and the end result is a pathetic marriage.

The bottom line is, stop shaming men who do not want a 'successful' woman. It may not be that he is intimidated, but that he just wants a particular kind of home.[/b]

You have not found any novel idea here. Every feminist knows that feminism is about women making their own choices, not at the dictates of men like you telling women they are not cut out of the workplace. What you are accusing us of is what exactly you are guilty of.

Ok. Lets leave Einstein's time and go way back to ancient Athens.

Under the athenian education, equal opportunity was given to both the boy and girl child. At that time, power was not in stems but law, oratory, philosophy etc. Despite the equal opportunity given to both boys and girls, the like of aristotle, plato etc are the ones who would come to mind when you mention greece. Where are the ladies in those societies?

Most times, people are more concerned about getting women into the STEM courses, but refuse to see that there are other departments that women are still under represented and women who have studied it have not gone on ahead to distinguish themselves. The department of philosophy is one of such. Most people go without suspecting that women have not distinguished themselves in philosophy. But everyone is concerned about the STEMs. This confirms that feminism isn't about all round equality but elitism.

Where did you get the whole equal opportunity of boy and girl child in Athens? If I can remember my study of history correctly, Athens was very much a patriarchal society and women were barred from reading and writing and debates. And then you magically expect a female Aristotle or Plato?

craziebone:
you getting very desperate here.

First of all, i did not and have not said or insinuated in a way, form or measure that women should be kept out of school. I strongly believe in the education for all. Infact, my not seeing education as primarily a means to getting a job but that which we need to relate with our environment better is the reason why anyone, not even you stillfire, can acuse me of believing that women should be kept out of school or any kind of course she wants to study. Mean while, it is simple to acuse you, stillfire, of believing that some kind of people should be kept out of school or some kind of courses because you see education as primarily that which should give you a job.

Infact, approaches like yours is the reason why most people who study stems, are not improving it in anyway. Organizing a dicipline into a career may have all of its advantages, but there is one big mistake we are making when we organize diciplines into professions and career, especially the stem courses. We give it a boundry! And by so doing, we restrict the involvement of those who actually studied the stems in school but did not pass very well (because, of course, these people begin to believe you have to be a 'guru' in class and come out with a first class in order to improve development in that area). You also reduce the involvement of those who did not study the stems in school from participating in the stems. But the truth is that, you don't have to have studied physics in school in order to be able to improve physics in any way through revolutionary theories and scientific laws.

What do you think? That the pioneers of physics called themselves physists? They were just people who were curious about nature.

And pls, it is in your interest to speak to me in a civil manner, or else, i will go all out against you.

craziebone:
you getting very desperate here.
First of all, i did not and have not said or insinuated in a way, form or measure that women should be kept out of school. I strongly believe in the education for all. Infact, my not seeing education as primarily a means to getting a job but that which we need to relate with our environment better is the reason why anyone, not even you stillfire, can acuse me of believing that women should be kept out of school or any kind of course she wants to study. Mean while, it is simple to acuse you, stillfire, of believing that some kind of people should be kept out of school or some kind of courses because you see education as primarily that which should give you a job.
Infact, approaches like yours is the reason why most people who study stems, are not improving it in anyway. Organizing a dicipline into a career may have all of its advantages, but there is one big mistake we are making when we organize diciplines into professions and career, especially the stem courses. We give it a boundry! And by so doing, we restrict the involvement of those who actually studied the stems in school but did not pass very well (because, of course, these people begin to believe you have to be a 'guru' in class and come out with a first class in order to improve development in that area). You also reduce the involvement of those who did not study the stems in school from participating in the stems. But the truth is that, you don't have to have studied physics in school in order to be able to improve physics in any way through revolutionary theories and scientific laws.
What do you think? That the pioneers of physics called themselves physists? They were just people who were curious about nature.
And pls, it is in your interest to speak to me in a civil manner, or else, i will go all out against you.

You can go against me if you like, the problem is that you have to make logical conclusions, every illogical conclusion would be trashed. You know why this is funny to me, I am not the one making arguments that women are not cut out for the workforce, women should rely on their natural capabilities of homemaking, women do no not have the capabilities to lead and revolutionize culture, and in the same breath championing the education of women. You can see how silly the whole premise of the thread is. Today's system is set up in a way that to gain more knowledge you have to compete with other applicants to gain admissions into universities. If people's intent is not to pursue a career out of it, there is always an option of homeschooling so they can apply their so called enlightenment for the fun of it to the 'home' front. Why saturate the admission pool and restrict genuine people from achieving success? That is wickedness!

the truth is that, you don't have to have studied physics in school in order to be able to improve physics in any way through revolutionary theories and scientific laws

No, the truth is that a physicist is more than likely to improve physics today more than someone who just stumbled on it. An outlier does not make it the norm. Argument trashed.

lezz:
A woman's TRUE source of happiness doesn't negate her need for education. My dear, I am sorry to inform you that women have never founded any civilization, Town or technology. What they do best is to give to society what society gives to them.

Men on the other hand are pioneers of civilizations, technologies and founders of towns, cities and nation.

A female doctor or Scientist is more likely to give to her patient what she learnt in school while a male doctor, (a few percentage)
will change the course of the medical profession for the next century. If you research female pioneers of technology, you find them as the exception, not the rule.

Females should be educated but ultimatley life is about happiness and fulfilment and women naturally gravitate towards nature.

You can't fight your biological disposition no matter how hard the denial and shouting.

Evolution says you love your kids and husbands more than you will ever love office fights, the quest for power and getting that promotion.

This is the most disingenuous thing I've ever read in my life.
Was your gender ever restricted in achieving these things?
Between someone who was restricted and who wasn't, who is more likely to think outside the box?

craziebone:
african men have always washed plates. When he was at the university and boarding house, where you there to do it for him? I have always washed my own plate and it is the best for men. Don't need any woman to do what can oly be best done by me.

Oh really, I hope you will carry this mentality to marriage and continue washing plates there.
A woman CAN only strike a balance between family and career if you put all muscles and sinews to work in the home by cleaning, cooking washing dishes, clothes etc.

craziebone:
i think you have a shallow idea of intellectualism and enlightenment. Fact it, we don't get enlightened and educated just to get a job and career. We get education so as to be enlightened and relate better with the surrounding. An education is stem courses are whereever for that matter isn't a waste if you do not practice. A lot of successfull people in the world today did not make it in the area the studied in school.

And yes, men remain the drivers of the world today despite feminist deception. For over 50 years, women have been pushed into male areas but what happened? The US, even afrter 50 years of intellectual feminism still has more men in congress that it has women. The same thing can be said for all countries except Rwanda. In the EU, laws are being made to make sure women make 40 percent of boardrooms. But guess what? That's legislative contruct! Or better still, social construct, the very same thing feminism claims to fight against! You fight social construct with social construct. What hypocricy!!!

It is an absolute WASTE of resources if you go to school, studied hard for degree and do not practice it. Applying it to petty jobs, does not change the fact that monetary resources have been wasted. All you want to do here is have an educated daughter but limit her potentials to pursue that career.
With people like you stifling the efforts of women and feeding them pathetic resolutions and deception and that they are not cut out for the workplace, how do you then expect women to reach their full potential? Why don't we restrict women in the kitchen to rech their full potential there?
If these are male areas and women cannot compete, do the experiment on your daughters and restrict her to home economics, why venture into fields that only men should dominate? This has got to be the height of hypocrisy!

craziebone:
your post goes to show that feminism isn't about equality but elitism. You are more worried about what will give her more political power and economic power rather than equal representation in all fields. No wonder why even though men dominate works like: tanker drivers, bricklayers, mai suya, firefighters, etc, you are not all out looking for quota system. You are only looking for quota system in the stem courses and board rooms representation in air conditioned MNC.

Also, it is so shallow of you to think that homoeconomics isnt intellectually tasking. And no, women cannever threaten men no matter how many of them are in the stem courses.

In the West, women have been given quota system and have been forced to study the STEM course and yet, how many of them have been able to go on to bring about a new way of doing things? Mark Zukerberg had so many women in his class. Einstein had girls in his class. Teve Jobs had women in his own class. Emeagwali also had women in his class. Yet, non of them have been able to come up with something to revolutionize culture, medicine, computing etc.
I think it is very ignorant of you to say that STEM courses are where power is. Well, that may be today but for much of the world's history; Law, oratory, literature, philosophy, music, theology, magic and mysticism are where the real power is. STEM only gained its new found power during the industrial revolution.

So why don't you relegate your daughters to studying home economics only then if you believe women don't have the brains to revolutionize culture?
To even refer to Einstein era in the same breath is disingenuous where prioritizing female education was just beginning to pick up steam in the late 19th century and early 20th century putting into consideration men have had more than a thousand year head start to women. Despite the thousands of year gap between men and women, we begin to see women as early at 1930's showing some intellectually might. This is like comparing the head start of European men in the STEM to African men. Does that mean African men are dumb because it has done nothing to contribute to the sciences today?

Nope the old power, relied on physical strength. But today it relies on intellectual might through STEM courses . The so called Magic and mysticism are part of STEM. These are all part of physics and medicinal chemistry.

Moana:
The mordern women are sad, yet you are the ones who spend 80% of your lifetime analysing their lives, if you were happy mordern men would you not spend your time doing something else more profitable than analysing other "sad people's" lives?
NL is getting more and more ridiculous

Crying more than the so called bereaved is what they call it.

I repeat African man MUST wash plates!
You must partake in house chores!
If you want your wife to 'strike a balance' between career and family, you must help with the house chores. Hahahaha

lezz:
that's a narrow interpretation of the subject matter. The bottom line is that carrier success, promotion, power and social status has not increased the happiness of women as have been shown in research statistics. Because what makes a man happy isn't what necessarily makes a woman happy.

The bottom line is applying carrier and motherhood in a good balance as Danielle wrote in her record smashing book: What Our mothers Didn't Tell Us:"[b]Why Happiness Eludes The Modern Woman"[/b]

My daughters are going to get that striking balance.

If a woman's natural calling is to be attending to family why not focus more on her capabilities by taking her to home economics school? If men are the drivers of society why waste efforts on your daughter? Why send her to school? When her utmost goal is to be a homemaker? Do you understand these women are taking admission slots in universities of men who genuinely have the so called 'natural' disposition to amass wealth, power and glory, which creates unhappiness for women? Please start from your daughter and I'll take you seriously. Do you know how much STEM subjects costs and how much time spent on such, it would be wasted efforts if a woman, infact anyone studying these courses do not reach her full potential as a career woman. So instead of wasting such time and money with the full knowledge of not practicing her degree, please let her study home economics.

A lot of women are mixing career and family very very well. The so called striking a balance comes from when the husband also strikes his own balance by also attending to the 'homely' responsibilities of taking care of the kids and doing his own house chores.

plaetton:
Excellent.
I couldnt agree more with you.

I am A modern man, but a realist.
I don't ever want my wife working as hard or even harder than I do.

When you try to subvert nature, distress and disharmony ensues.
The funny thing is that men have not changed one bit in thousands of years.

This is a very inconclusive conclusion embroidered in deceit to protect men from engaging in 'homely' responsibilities, that modern culture demands.
The world has move from a village style ecological niche to a more global setting.
It took a village to train a child not only figuratively but also literally. Extended families provided that framework in the old days. The mother was not the only one taking care of her child. She had a network of other wives, grandmothers, relatives to do so.
Extended family members today live thousands of miles away even across countries. The network is no more there, husbands must fill this void that extended families filled up, so that the wives do not quench. But apparently, the laziness of the male posits him to shield away from such responsibilities citing cultural roles that made sense then, but do not make sense now.

African women have always, always worked harder than the men. So I don't get the whole my wife should not work harder than I am talk.

lezz:
I choose to believe you misunderstood me. By women trying to be men, I was implying the prioritizing of thier goal to achieving happiness which is as a result of modern feminism.

The rate of divorces were lower in 1979 as compared to today , and yes women were happier then as research shows. Divorce is hard on humans, both male and female. But I think women are worse hit not because of any social conditioning or cultural inclinations, but because they are inherently different by psychological and biological dispositions.


Evolution has balanced the gap between man and woman for millions of years. Modern feminists get confused and wicked and spun lies from a selfish political ideological point of view.

Men pursue power, glory, money and social status to satisfy their abundant testosterone and also to impress the ladies.

Evolution balanced this gap by giving women the skills and ability to control men. All she needed to do was invoke her inbuilt feminine meekness and wiles. That's what our mothers did with wisdom without the corruption of modern feminist education.

Men controls the money, power and politics plus resources,and women control men. Balance of power by God in his wisdom of mystery of evolution.

[b]Today's feminist have become pretenders who venture out side their natural comfort zones and area of strength to compete and think what a man can do they can do better.
[/b]they can't be further from the truth, the difference between men and women means they both have areas of natural expertise.


The Swedish and Americans have begun ripping the folly of their intelligence. All the nations of feminist movement have come to report the increasing unhappiness of women as their financial and economic status rise.

All your fears can be prevented by limiting your daughters education to home economics. We don't what the daughters out of their natural comfort zone. Do not let them partake in the sciences to test their intellectual capabilities thereby threatening the man in the future. STEM subjects are usually the drivers of power and glory, which makes men happy but leads women to unhappiness, rotflmao.

Rubbish premise! Lazy women trying to look for a way to balance at home and get fat on the husband's sweat.
Don't come here and pass off some silly western woman study and relate it with African women.
Even your great grandmothers as africans were working women. The only difference was there were extended families to take care of the kids.
Since we don't live in a village setting any more, men must make themselves useful with house chores and the children . Bite me!

If you women have an agenda not to develop a career, you better stop taking the space of genuine men and women from gaining admissions into Universities. Nonsense. If I'm a university administrator, every woman would be a damn suspect.

bukatyne:
The bolded is only a feel Good line for wives with cheating husbands.
A man 'snatches' OP;

Pays her N150k monthly

Will give her toe curling orgasms

Would probably not have to cook, clean etc. al

Would be travelled about eith

Has been on for 3yrs


And she is not important?

I can bet my breakfast tomorrow that he doesn't give his wife that amount monthly or spend as much quality time as he spends with OP.

The wife is losing and is currently not as important as OP


I think the OP is trolling sha

Hahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

TV01:
I am also pro-female and love my white sisters and white sister-in law


But white men have a deep seated and enduring thing for Indian women. Lightness preference is not primarily interracial, it's intraracial.


TV

The thread has run its cause. Everything that needs to be said have been said.

What is wrong in a husband and his brother doing business together? What is wrong with you people?
The wife is not working, so it's now the duty for the husband to provide job for her or what?
She did not go to school or what?
If the brother starts lazying about in her house, she will throw the biggest tantrums.

coogar:
perhaps the bulk of the black women available for such music videos are not feminine enough.



there are few one size fits all.
some women are suited more for the romantic stuff in music videos while some are just perfect for the ikebe-shaking. the face of the babe with the big bütt on lynx video barely showed her face - the selling point is the big bütt!

Ewoo insult upon injury!
Black women una don hear am

TV01:
...and Sonia Ghandi - who was the rulers spouse and then the ruler in India - was not Italian?
Black men have higher desirability and wider choice. Simples. It means that even lower class black men have more options - so yes, it does cut across class
My bro' was dating a Brazilian and I went round to his with 3 Naija sisters for a party. Brazil babe later complained about the seething hate she felt. Main sister who was my friend admitted that the girls were pissed that even as they struggles to find quality brothers, foreign chicks were encroaching - "it's so unfair" - it's not just Rashida !
TV

Which seething hate? You guys can hype yourself sha. You just want to cause katakata between women. It won't work on me. I am pro-female first before anything. I love my white sisters!
Thanks for mentioning India. India is very apt here. They come a close second to black men in elevating lighter skin.

TV01:
So when you do it it's informed, enlightened choice...


...but if others do, it's a problem

My very first post onthis thread mentioned the fact that black men are never given the benefit of the doubt when it comes to their perceived non-pc/off message mate choices, but here you are?

And given the fact that you claim that black men are "the black womans worst enemy", how would you answer a charge of your choice being due to "self-loathing"? Not that most black men would even notice?

I subsequently said the only ones that feel the need to denigrate or justify are those that have the issues.

And we still love y'all - regardless of your mate choices !

Shollypopz, please come and show us how slavery determined this one !


TV

You all should just admit to your color issue is all I ask. I am not anti interracial dating abeg. Stop making Strober think you are 'conscious', then she will start crying on the net when you break her heart, giving black men ammo to insult black women in general.

TV01:
So the idiotic utterances of a handful of musically talented but mostly unenlightened rappers dictate black thought and consciousness? Nope, women feel entitled to certain men and want to ideologically dictate their mate choices to suit their own narratives.
Trying to pin it all on slavery/white domination is a cop-out. Rashida should hold that plank !
All that race voodoo has little purchase these days. People get with whoever.
Sisters need to overhaul their product !
TV
^{Kevin Hart - short ass, Lil' Wayne - troglodyte, Neyo - gay, Kanye - beta; and these are the objects of black female desire and arbitors of their consciousness - it's all over for the black race!}

Really TV? You want us to believe that this does not cut across class. Or the intellectual black man don't have this same preference? What do you say of these African Presidents? On which continent do you see a leader with a different race of women as his leading lady? Africa of course!

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coogar:
is ese walters not married? who married her? white man? how's her case different from kim k. she made a church confession that she was rammed by a pastor for 7 days consecutively.

kim kardashian slept with her boyfriend. it's what everyone does behind closed doors. it's not like people didn't expect her to be sleeping with her boyf.

there seems to be a trend but i don't agree it's colour. the fact is nigerian women that are posh consider the job of a video vixen as a dirty job. how many women that have posted here would shake their ikebe for lynx?

Ese Walters does not have her ass on video. She can be excused.
Lol, no I will not shake my ikebe for lynnx. But my point is you cannot put a black woman to shake her ikebe in your song, but when it comes to love songs this same woman is not worthy of it. It is counterproductive to tell black women to be natural to themselves, but when it is time to show that you mean what you say, you do the opposite.

innervoice:
There is a preference for blonds in the white community, do brunettes feel discriminated against? I don't think so.
There will always be preferences and sometimes they change over time as fashion changes. That's the way it just is.
I am married to a white lady even though I have always wanted to marry a woman from my tribe. It just happened that I fell in love with a European. It was not a question of preference. My preference was originally for black women, preferably from the same tribe because I thought that it would make my life easier.
However, if you meet someone who you think is your soulmate, color is not an issue whether the person is black or white.

There are brunettes who bleach their hair to become blond. Also White men prefer skinny women, hence why anorexia is prevalent in the white community. Do you see a pattern? The weak of the society will fall prey to societies standards. Anyway skin color discrimination cannot be compared to petty issue as being a brunette. Nobody killed and rap.ed brunettes for being brunettes.
Please my intention is not for genuine relationships not to exist. I encourage people to fall in love with whomever. I wasn't brought up to see ethnic group, race or what else is out there. I have never dated anyone from my ethnic group sef, but I do acknowledge the fact that we do have a skin color problem in the black community and black men should not pretend they are oblivious to this.

coogar:
bloody hell, is that bütt real?

but you have to understand no one beats the black woman in twerking. it's a natural ability.

this evidence is spine-chilling

Hahaha Coogar is slowly getting the drift. You all need to stop deceiving black women and admit color is an issue.

TV01:
In as much as it existed and still exists, it's a fast dying notion.

Black men are high profile and lauded - even if I think it's the wrong fields - Sport and Entertainment. Even in the US white women are just as likely to go for the black jock/thug. Even if it's pandering to a stereotype. Having a white woman aint a thing anymore.

The truth is many black men find white women more forgiving. Less demanding and more willing to cut them slack. It's not the celebs that you should even be worried about. I recounted last year how I went to a party and it was mostly blue collar black (Nigerian) men with white women. The demands of our sisters here are too much for them and they simply opt for the easy option.
At this point in time it's not about superior, it's more about simpler. Sorry!


TV

I'm sorry there is a pattern and tendency to leave black women with black bastards. The black man is hypersexual. If this is what it takes to not bring a bastard into the world, I will forever frown my face . A black man would want to sleep with you and not take responsibility for the consequences. If you are light though and you have slutty ways he will make excuses for you. Ask Kim kardashian. Can a black woman have a sex video out there and marry a top black star? Hahaha. Black men demand a saintly semblance from the black woman but will excuse it in lighter females.

@Coogar,

When it is time to shake yansh and show your women in the most degrading positions, the black man will exhibit the black woman in his videos.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCnwqkUP-j4[/img]

When it is about love and respect, guess who he picks... buhahaha

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And you men are still denying, there is no color issue hahahahaha

coogar:
some black men actually like thick women. however, i think majority are starting to see the underlying health issues beneath those thick flabs.



he's just showing off, abeg!
this does not mean dbanj would naturally prefer a white chic to a black chic. flexing with a white chic is own way of saying his brand is now international & not mgbeke nollywood chics.

A white man will show off using his white woman, an Indian an indian woman etc, but a black man's symbol of 'I have arrived or I am now international' is everyone else but not the black woman. You have proved my point. End of discussion.

njokusboy:
Lolzz, you want us to join in ur fight against the white skin... you don't want us to toast white hot women again... nope, the black man must exercise his power of choice.. if ur hot, ur hot, it don't matter if ur black or white..

What re you saying? What other race talks sh1t about their men the way black women do. It's a 2 way street

Nooo o, I just want you to admit there is a preference for light skinned in our society. Black women like Strober need to know this fact. Stop pretending.

Feminism is to blame for my di.ck rising to light skinned females. Hahahaha. Instead of you to say you are responding to the calls of nature.

coogar:
too much of everything is bad
she can't be anorexic and she cannot be morbidly obese.

Yeah she has to be curvaceous and LIGHT! You guys can even excuse obesity as long as she's light to. Hahaha!!!!!!!!!!

See Dbanj bring his foreign iyawo home and dark skinned girls serving her. What race on earth other than the black man does this and still want to pretend there's no colorism issue?
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coogar:
like any black woman would say the truth concerning her self esteem. their stubbornness would not permit it. "i shall not gree" mentality is inborn in them. even a woman with no romantic partner sends valentine gifts to herself to deceive the world that her market is hot.



halle berry disagrees



they sometimes refuse bald men asking them out.



she should have persevered a bit more



MINT!

Lol, she should have persevered more, while she starves of hunger abi?

TV01:
As an aside "self-esteem" is at best suspect as a notion. And the fixation with women having it will change nothing. Character is waht counts. Likewise being able to tough out situations or go head-to-head does not compensate for real character, ability and hardwork.
And the HP is one of the liberal rags that's leading Sisters on a merry dance.
Just saying.
TV

Of course character is what counts, but at the same time let us not ignore the colorism issue plaguing black men. Stop deceiving the sisters, and this entitlement of 'our black men' will stop. Huffington post did not conduct the study. A white affiliated company conducted the study.

njokusboy:
She's not facially spectacular but she's owk... add that to her lepatiousness nd you'd see the problem

You guys say black women are obese and you are still complaining about the slim ones. Kontinu.

coogar:
hmmm, the apex predator himself.
okonrin meta.



death!



so you disagree with the androphobic skank like timbuktou puts



so why are men not attaching long hair to look like Jesus or brad pitt. if black women get the urge to wear hair that look like celine dion's, by the same token, black men should also get this urge.......but we don't.



you cannot compare this minority to skin bleaching & artificial hair business. the sad truth is - black women have serious confidence issues that stemmed from identity crisis.

a black man is a black man anywhere on the planet. he rocks his skin fade haircut & he is proud of his charcoal skin. that is the way he sees himself & the whole world has come to respect his natural features and accepted him.

if the black woman had kept faith with their natural features by rocking their afro or gorimapa & leaning their natural skin as it was, they would be getting their worldwide acceptance by now but they broke ranks along the line.

there was a time dogs had more acceptance than black men in several western countries but now, various researches show black men sit atop the totem pole of the most desirable men in the world. they kept faith with their brands & made the rest of the world accept them for what they are.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/08/african-american-women-ha_n_1083182.html
A study was done on self esteem among women, BLACK WOMEN WERE RATED HIGH despite all the issues and insults of being heavier. We cannot be intimidated.
The criteria for black men attractiveness is not long hair. The criteria for black women and all women in general is long hair. No woman would refuse to date a guy because of hair.
Rocking an afro and braided hairstyles will not get you a job in corporate America. You think Chimamanda adichie was stupid for writing americannah and talking about hair? We did not break ranks, woman must survive, so she adapted to the system because she has to feed herself.

TV01:
No Stilly, not a yardstick - just one measure And it does not necessarily dictate overall preference for many men - even amongst those that may have it as one indicator.

A darker skinned women who presents well will not be unduly hindered by her skin tone - if Rashida was woo'ed by a white man - I know, fat chance (and again ) - would she be duty /ideologically bound to reject him?

We don't abuse "our women" - we correct them in love

Omg if that is love, I do not want to see what hate would look like.
I do understand that finding a mate is not exclusive to one factor. The thing is find your mate, and leave black women out of why you chose to be with that mate. But black males would not hear word and would not rest until they insult black women and say I chose my foreign wife because black women are ugly etc. You cannot choose your wife because you love her or what?

coogar:
i don't even notice - my attention span is on the waxed thighs & the humongous bòobs.



if your sister is that fair then i don't need to make any further guesses. you couldn't have been born with a lupita skin with a sister like yours.

Hehehe,