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Rich4god:
Salc, plz call d attention of our master planner...Syncan....

That title is for SalC and Kamsified.

Kamsified:
Daily novena prayer.

O God, infinite beauty. Wretched as we are, we approach in humility your throne, with thanksgiving and pettition. Thanksgiving for the numerous mercies received from you, and petition for the many needs that weigh heavily on us. Look kindly upon our prayers, especially that of.........who we pray for today and of mine(you may add yours) through the merits of the passion of your son, our Lord Jesus Christ. Pray for us dearest mother Mary, as we offer you this ten roses of hail mary, with eyes filled with hope and fillial love. Amen.

10 Hail Marys.

Psalm 138
I will praise you, Lord, with all my heart; before the “gods” I will sing your praise.
I will bow down toward your holy temple and will praise your name for your unfailing love and your faithfulness,for you have so exalted your solemn decree that it surpasses your fame.
When I called, you answered me; you greatly emboldened me.
May all the kings of the earth praise you, Lord,when they hear what you have decreed.
May they sing of the ways of the Lord, for the glory of the Lord is great.
Though the Lord is exalted, he looks kindly on the lowly; though lofty, he sees them from afar.
Though I walk in the midst of trouble, you preserve my life.
You stretch out your hand against the anger of my foes; with your right hand you save me.
The Lord will vindicate me; your love, Lord, endures forever—
do not abandon the works of your hands.


Any other psalm proposed by the person on his/her day

Maybe we can adopt the prayer routine we used last May.

God bless you all. Will pick a date soon.

goodnews201668:
Did the followers of Jesus use cross or fish you mentioned?

Its no more early christians now, but followers of Jesus, that you're interested in. Go study.

goodnews201668:
Did Paul or the Galatians use cross in worship?

They used awake pamphlets, and worshiped in kingdom halls.

goodnews201668:
Justify the use of cross with the Bible, that's my own!

The message of the bible is the messasge of the cross. May I not boast in anything else except the cross. Gal.6:14. I am not ashamed like you are to show the cross to the world, on it I was redeemed.

goodnews201668:
Please my question is did the early Christians used it?

Of what use is the answer to you? When I told you something the early Christians used, you said they were wrong, so why do you now want to know this, since you are right and they were wrong.

goodnews201668:
Yes Jehovah's witnesses used cross in past and realized it's wrong and adjusted likewise many other religious group, it takes courage to go against the crowd!

Oh, jehova witness was in error when they were using it, I see. So how are you now sure you are right this time? Not to worry, na here I de, it will soon change again, your truth changes with time.

Ubenedictus:
HEHEHE, i'll leave u with the jehovah witnes judge rutherford.
“The cross of Christ is the greatest pivotal truth of the divine arrangement, from which radiate the hopes of men.”
Joseph Rutherford. The Harp of God (Brooklyn, NY: Watchtower Bible and Tract Society, 1921) 141.

Ah, even their oga at the top told them so, why these ones de revolt na?

goodnews201668:
Interesting, the early Christians? Well weather fish or meat it's not right, we should follow the patterns set by the early Christians closely!

This is why you should study, study about the religion you profess, stop arguing in ignorance, now a sign even the apostles used is what you say is not right. I told you before, when the missionaries came to your fathers, they came with the cross, they destroyed your father's gods and shrines, they planted the cross on forbidden lands and claimed them for Christ, they blessed the people with the sign of the cross, they wore the cross on their bodies, they were true Christians, spreading the goodnews to all nations, and the Most High wrought many miracles through them. You without the cross how far?

Ubenedictus:
Did i just read pope constantine? that is funny.

You have seen it in black and white, "Awake pamphlet christians".

Boomark:
I see. It has always been like this. Catholics have nothing to offer as far as bible truth is concerned. I asked you which cross did he tell them carry and follow him, wooden cross? was Paul boasting over a carved wooden cross? Instead of answering, you keep repeating "carry your cross and follow me," because there is nothing to say in defense to making, bowing and kissing the cross.

Ubenedictus came and ran away when he saw it is Boomark again. I no boast o.

Meanwhile the OP has been UPDATED to reflect you guys poor defense to what you practice.

You start a thread with a post, I comment based on your post, you see your error and rush to "update" your post, just to make my comment look out of place. Tell me why I should take you seriously. Smh. May I boast of nothing else but the cross. Gal.6:14.

goodnews201668:
Some scholars says emperor Constantine was a Pope.
Anyways if you deny him being a Pope no wahala.
But he is revered as a saint!
My point however is that he introduced the use of cross in Christianity!

Stop reading junks, constantine was an emperor, he was not a Pope. Before the cross, Christians used the fish as their symbol, do you know that too?

goodnews201668:
My brother that we preach about Christ is a different thing.
That we preach about how Christ suffered and was finally put to death on a torture stake is different from carving cross or using it in worship.
We are not the first followers of Christ, he had early disciples. Have you ever heard that the Bible said they used cross in worship or while praying.

Let me tell you one secret, maybe you never knew it.
That cross has long been in use by those who never knew the true God long before Christ came to the earth. It's a worship instrument for pegans at first.
Now Google and see how it was adopted by Christians with time.
The Bible has no record of followers of Christ ever using cross in worship, it was adopted as time goes by.

Just keep saying what you like. I just have a simple fact for you. Not long ago, some missionaries came to convert your fathers, they destroyed your father's shrines and gods, taught them Christ crucified, and the power of God was made manifest in them. These men came with the cross, the planted it on the land, they wore it on their bodies, they blessed the people with its sign, they were Christians. What are you without the cross?

goodnews201668:
No matter how we try to justify it the cross is integrated into the scriptures, the original language rather means pale or upright pole.
It's organs that made use if cross long before Christ came.

The CROSS was introduced to the Christian Congregation by Pope Constantine in order to unite paganism and Christianity.

Crosses are the world's oldest good luck charms, talismans, or amulets and are found in every continent of the world.

This demonic object (CRUX in Latin) entered the vocabulary of most European languages through the corrupt Latin Vulgate version of Jerome.


A HOLY Bible and HOLY Scriptures once again with the CROSS removed!!

Jesus came to fulfill the Old Testament. There are NO SUCH words as CROSS, CRUCIFY, or CRUCIFIED in the Old Testament—except in the new perversions!!

"Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men. The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a TREE (Gk. xulon)" (Acts 5:29-30).

The cross is a symbol for the great mother goddess!!

Crosses are the world's oldest good luck charms, talismans, or amulets and are found in every continent of the world. They represent the worship of the great mother goddess of paganism. They originated at Babylon and spread to all the world via Egypt.

I have had a fair share of religious discuss and arguments on this forum, so I am not so in need of a discuss to jump into argument with just any one, especially one who tells brazen lies. Why should I be arguing with someone who claims there was a Pope Constantine that introduced cross to Christianity. Stop spreading falsehood.

Boomark:
The Cross is a symbol of curse.
Deuteronomy 21:22-23
22 “If someone has committed a crime worthy of death and is executed and hung on a tree,23 the body must not remain hanging from the tree overnight. You must bury the body that same day, for anyone who is hung is cursed in the sight of God.

Your reply made to go back and check all I have written as the OP has been deleted. So you did not understand that I was talking about the wooden cross (tree) you guy bow to in your church, which I said is pure idol worship?

Syncan, you cannot run o. You must answer my question. brace yourself like a man.

1. So are our saying that Jesus was urging his disciples to carve wooden cross for themselves and follow him?
2. Are you also saying that Paul was boasting over a piece of wood cross?
Do not make the image of anything whether in heaven or on earth. This is Gods commandment for those who enjoy creating and embracing idol.

All your rigmarole cannot help you. The questions you ask have no connection with the topic of discuss oga. If cross is such a bad thing, why did Jesus tell us to carry ours and follow him, why did St. Paul pray that we boast of nothing but the cross, why did he continue preaching Christ crucified even though Christ is in heaven? Yet you say it is an affront to depict that act because Christ is now in heaven, lol. Oga you fail this one, just admit it.

Benikuuse:
Iam not criticizing the catholic but just want clearance on some certain catholic behaviors.
1. Here in benue and where i stay precisely, when someone dies you will be given 7 days to bury your dead. And if you want to add more days you will have to buy cement each day on the number of days you will like to be added to the seven days given to you, or the reverend father won't come.
2. You have to put the dead in the church on the day of wake keep, they don't care whether your house is 2 kilometres away.

1. The church tries to discourage keeping the dead for a long time before burial. Among other reasons, the Local Church tries to discourage the unnecessary expenses incurred in extravagant burial preparation and ceremonies. The buying of cement to get a postponement is particular to your parish, but I think the priest...and the parish council...in trying to be flexible, for those who don't mind spending extra money on burials, wants to get some of those extra monies for church building development too.

2. The dead was attending the church from that distance when alive na, so getting the corpse there no suppose worry na. However there need to be a tete a tete with the priest, Mass could be done at home, except when there is a peculiar situation in that parish or diocese.

Boomark:
1. So are our saying that Jesus was urging his disciples to carve wooden cross for themselves and follow him?
2. Are you also saying that Paul was boasting over a piece of wood?

Do not make the image of anything whether in heaven or on earth. This is Gods commandment for those who enjoy creating and embracing idol.

Hahahaha, now he diverts attention to the work of sculptors, no longer the symbolical meaning of a cross. Please when you find something else to discuss let me know, I'll see if it interests me. For now, this post of yours is dead on arrival, for the doctrine we preach is the cross, Christ Crucified. The cross is a source of pride to God, His only begotten son died on it for love of man. Whatever you think Christ meant here...Pls pick up your cross and follow Christ.

Rich4god:
Ok, noted... Happy Sunday...

Same to you bro, its been a while, you are back to the north. Hope you are good...and woky too.

Rich4god:
What is this one saying....

Pay no need to him bro.

Goshen360:
Since you started committing sin, have you died for your own sin?

Thanks, just couldn't wrap my head around his reasoning.

Ko

saintgoogle:
Sire Dyu think he is talking about the cross used for crucifixion? He is talking about everyone carrying his own sin


No wonder y'all dogmatic enough to believe that someone 'ould die for your sins

The only thing you achieved in this post is the pride you took in quoting Syncan.

dazzle101:
I will cling to my old rugged cross and exchange it someday for a crown! such a refreshing song...

Now how does one begin to forget the finished work on the cross of calvary and the propitiation for our salvation and redemption by the Saviour Jesus Christ


OP U lieeeeeeeee

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A big lie indeed. I de feel your song, may we never boast except in the cross. Gal. 6:14.

Boomark:
Mt 16:24
Then Jesus said to his disciples, "If any of you wants to be my follower, you must turn from your selfish ways, take up YOUR cross, and follow me

He not talking about a piece of wood here but what the must suffer for his sake(THEIR cross). Paul can never boast over a log of wood. He boasts in his suffering for the sake of Christ. .

Thank you for welcoming me to a place where there is great need for proper understanding of the scripture. Longest time.

Hahaha, I posted on your thread, so take the discuss there, this place remains a place of congregation for those who preach "Christ crucified". 1Cor.1:23. Longest time really, hope you're in good health

peppyluv02:
Where is Syncan?...

Nne, right here. Hope you're doing good.

Wow! Now the devil wants to keep me away from the cross. The very thing that Jesus specifically instructed us to embrace as a sign of our discipleship. He says the cross is not something good in the sight of God, but Jesus said "Then he called the crowd to him along with his disciples and said: "Whoever wants to be my disciple must deny themselves and take up their cross and follow me." Lk. 9:23.
Sorry sir I go with scripture and proclaim with St.Paul, all Catholics and indeed every faithful Christian, May I never boast except in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, through which the world has been crucified to me, and I to the world Gal.6:14

Boomark:
For those of you who don't know...


https://www.nairaland.com/3065907/cross-symbol-accursed-not-christianity#44983668

Welcome to the home of truth, where scripture is lived. In this place we have pledged in line with God's word..."May I never boast except in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, through which the world has been crucified to me, and I to the world." Gal. 6:14. So thanks, we know better.

Ubenedictus:
she is trying to be funny, she forgot that Joseph contributed nothing biological to Jesus, joseph was not his biological father. They link Jesus and Joseph just because joseph married mary. Joseph adopted Jesus since he is his wife son. They are not related by blood.

I just don't know why truth eludes him/her. Must everything be argued about?

Analice107, do consider reading Luke 3:23-28, do a little study on that, hand in hand with Matt.1:1-16. Tell me if the genealogy is same, if not you may as well tell me why?

analice107:
Oh!!! Am really ashamed of myself already. Don't bother about what my mother thinks of me. She knows that, although she bore me for 9months, am a Cameroonian, that's because, that's where my family tree is traced to.
I think you just called the Bible or the people who traced Jesus' lineage to Abraham, down to Adam fools.
Why didn't they traced Mary's family tree, but rather Josephs'? Shey the parent the child is related to the most is whose lineage is traced.
Answer me this. Which Tribe was prophesied to, through which the Messiah should come? Or, dodn't you believe in prophecies sir?

You are just busy arguing with yourself, Joseph is a foster father of Jesus, while Mary is His biological mother. What your problem is with Jesus lineage is what I don't know. If He is Joseph son by adoption and without a biological father, is his lineage not from Joseph by adoption too? The bible showed this much. What is wrong with that and how does that make Joseph more related to Jesus than Mary, is what you've failed to show. Recall your first post to me, that Joseph is more related to Jesus than Mary, that's what I have been disproving don't forget.

analice107:
Are you serious? So where you come from, a child's family tree runs through its mother's ancestry?
Even in this case where the Messiah's lineage was already prophesied to come through Judah, you still fight against it?
Why am i surprised? Catholics don't have time with what the scriptures says.

Plse do tell if any of Mary's gene contributed to the Child in her whom? What part of Mary was in Christ? Oh wait!!!. She breast fed the child.
Mary was just a container which availed itself for the Master's use.
Just as Joseph contributed nothing Biologically to Christ, Mary also contributed nothing. It was all God's project.

Pls have pity on yourself,lest people reading this start looking down on you. First you claim Joseph was more related to Jesus than Mary, I have shown you clearly that Joseph is not as related to Jesus as Mary is. To Joseph, Jesus is an adopted son, to Mary, Jesus is her natural son. You may want to dance around this till eternity, it will not change. It's there in Scripture looking at you. Its always easy for you to run to insult by saying catholics dont know scriptures. Don't even get me started with scriptures, you may want to go through my posts to know me better. Catholics compiled that scripture, we teach its truth.
Again, you ask what Mary contributed to Jesus, and I will answer that she gave him all the genes a mother could give,, since he has only one earthly parent, he got all from her.
Wow!!! Your mother must be so proud to hear you say she was just a container for you to be born, and contributed nothing biologically to your birth.

analice107:
Lineage is one's family tree which links you to your ancestors. Am shocked you are asking me this.
Why didn't you type out what Mat 1:16 says?
Here is what it says. Verse 15. And Elite begat Eliazar; and Eliazar begat Mathan; and Martha begat Jacob;
16. And Jacob begat Joseph, the husband of Mary, the mother of Jesus.
When Angel Gabriel appeared to Joseph, he addressed Joseph as 'Son of David'. Matt. 1:20. The Messiah was promised through the Lineage of Judah, through David came, then Joseph.
Mary wasn't from the tribe of Judah, so what is the fuss all about Mary?
Like everyone of us, she did her part by obeying and allowing God use her as a vessel. We are also called vessels.

Do you now understand what Lineage means?

I am glad you quoted it yourself, just to put it simply, do you mind showing me "and Joseph begat Jesus, the Messiah"?
The fuss about Mary? I should be asking you that question because whatever fuss you have about Mary is alien to Christianity. She bore God in her womb, gave birth to God, nurtured God as He in turn obeyed her, was with Him till Calvary, and arranged His human body in the tomb. That's a privilege no other human can boast of. God has raised her up, all generations shall call her blessed. Now she is with Him in heaven interceding for us and praising God; along with the rest of the saints.

If you marry into my family the child will only be traced to my lineage if I am the father, which I could be also by adoption.

analice107:
Sir, do you realize that Jesus' lineage didn't come through this Mary we are talking about here? It was through Joseph. Why is Joseph completely alleniated from the whole scene? To tell you the truth, Mary is not more important than Joseph in the whole Jesus' birth. Joseph as far as am concern is more important, because he is from the tribe of Judah, through which the promise was made.

Dear one, just like Ubenedictus asked earlier, you need to ask yourself and tell us what lineage is. I can at this stage plead with you to read Matt.1:1-16, and concentrate on the way each father beget the son, and the way the last sentence in verse 16 describes Joseph's relationship with Jesus. You'll find out that Joseph is only related to Jesus because he married Mary the mother of Jesus. I don't know why you have to say what you said, it's a basic knowledge in Scripture and Christiandom that Mary is more related to Jesus than Joseph. I wish you will be open to a fair discussion where you will acknowledge truth when it is revealed. However after Mary, Joseph is another great saint that Catholics venerate, he was privileged while on earth and he lived a holy life. Again I say Mary is not in competition with God nor with any saint.