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DoctorAlien:
The people saying Rev. 12 is talking about Mary, why have you ignored the whole chapter?

Was Mary given a wing to fly to the wilderness? Was Mary fed in the wilderness for 1260 days?

Syncan, answer this.

Though you didn't answer properly my questions but I will keep my word.

Rev 12:14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.

Was Mary given a wing to fly to the wilderness?....Yes. The eagles wings may either refer to the message of the angel to flee to egypt or it refers to egypt, whose coat of arm is the Eagle.

Was Mary fed in the wilderness for 1260 days?...Yes she was taken care of there till Herod died Matt.2:15, which was about three and half years.

analice107:
lol. he asked you questions but didn't mention me, so i didn't see it, you on the other hand asked him questions and mentioned me so i saw it and answered. lol

It's ok, as long as in your heart all you did was with fairness and truth.

DoctorAlien:
1. Yes, I'm in that church.

2. The remnant church, which keep the commandments of GOD and have the testimony of Jesus. Rev. 12:17; 19:10.

3. Yes.

4. The mark of the beast is the Sabbath of the beast.

5. The devil, his angels and sinners will be burned up and completely annihilated by a fire that shall not be quenched till it has consumed its victims. And hell will not be forever.

6. Mary is not the mother of GOD. Mary is a mere mortal. Nothing else.

Analice107, I tagged you for a reason, do take note of his answers and note the following.

1. He agrees that there is a church that is the ground and pillar of truth and that he is in that church.
2. He avoids giving us the name
3. He answers correctly, it's a major doctrine in his church
4. Sunday worship for him is the mark of the beast, note how he avoids to say how it relates to you...simple, you have the mark.
5. His hell is a one time thing and ends afterwards "And hell will not last forever". He doesn't quote scriptures...shebi you dey attack me.
6. Notice how he denies Lk1:31-32.

analice107:
Obey your father and Mother..., Jesus wasn't going to break his own commandment.

lol. Na waoo. All i wanted to see was how Jesus treated his mother, if he by his actions venerated his mother, which gave rise to the worship the Catholic Church are giving to Prima Donna, a demon, cloaked as Mary. But i saw nothing.
Mary was just an instrument used to translate Jesus who was a spirit into the vessel of flesh. She obeyed and did her part. Apost Peter Obeyed and did his part, Paul Obeyed and did his part, today, you ought to obey and do your part, but you are bent on disobeying even the instructions Mary gave to us. Whatsoever he says do.

So Jesus obeyed His mother. That's all for now, someone told you earlier that Mary wasn't His mother and you agreed.

analice107:
Check No5 Of the questions you posted to DoctorAlien and you will see it. If you are not in doubt of it, you wont ask him to proof it to you with scriptures.

I asked him to answer and prove his answer with scriptures, has he answered? No. What do you know is his answer?

Analice107, he asked me questions and told me to prove with scriptures, you didn't object, Now i ask him and you are objecting, are you fair to me?

DoctorAlien:
Do you promise to answer this question if I answer yours?

Lol. You need more time to consult your church teachings? Attend to my questions now, and I will answer it.

analice107:
Sweetheart, am not in the least shy of stating that i have everything against Mary of the Catholic Religion. That is not the Mary, Mother of Jesus. The Mary mother of Jesus is what i see in the Bible, and the characters are far apart as day from night.

Hahahahahaha. You guys kept holding unto Rev 12 trying to fix Mary in there even when that passage is a prophecy that hasn't been fulfilled yet. Ha na waooo.
You are just like a muslim who wants to fix Muhammed in the Bible by all means, justling scriptures that talks about different people entirely, trying to make them mean what you want.

And when they wanted Wine, they went and PRAYED to Mary to plead with her son to multiply wine right?
And when, she went, what did her son tell her?
WOMAN, WHAT HAVE I TO DO WITH YOU? MY TIME HAS NOT YET COME.
Although shunned by her son, she went on her own to say to the servants, WHATEVER HE TELLS YOU TO DO, DO IT.
Jesus says, IF YOU LOVE ME KEEP MY COMMANDMENT, and COME UNTO ME ALL...
I AM THE WAY, THE TRUTH, AND THE LIFE, NO MAN CAN COME TO THE FATHER EXCEPT BY ME.
Can you say you have obeyed the words of Mary mother of Jesus?

Guy, pls quote scriptures completely so that the message intended can be conveyed.


Luke 2:48-51 And when they [Joseph and Mary] saw Him, they were amazed; and His mother said to Him, Child, why have You treated us like this? Here Your father and I have been anxiously looking for You [distressed and tormented].

And He said to them, (How is it that you had to look for Me? Did you not see and know that it is necessary [as a duty] for Me to be in My Father’s house and [occupied] about My Father’s business?)

But they did not comprehend what He was saying to them.


And He went down with them and came to Nazareth and was [habitually] obedient to them; and his mother kept and closely and persistently guarded all these things in her heart.

What do you intend to bring out from the above scriptures?
Can you not see Jesus rebuking Mary and Joseph even at a very tender age for attempting to suggest that he should have gone home with them instead of being about his fathers business?
When you quoted Matt 2:11, I thought you would say "They came and fell down and worshipped HER."
for giving birth to Him.

Mark 3:31-35 Then His mother and His brothers came and, standing outside, they sent word to Him, calling [for] Him.

And a crowd was sitting around Him, and they said to Him, Your mother and Your brothers and Your sisters are outside asking for You.

And He replied, Who are My mother and My brothers?

And looking around on those who sat in a circle about Him, He said, See!

Here are My mother and My brothers; For whoever does the things God wills is My brother and sister and mother!

Bros, Am looking around all the scriptures that referenced Mary mother of Jesus, trying to see how Jesus Himself, extra ordinary Honoured and Reverenced His mother, i cant find.

WHY IS THE MARY OF THE BIBLE DIFFERENT FROM THAT OF THE CATHOLIC?

For one who despite having to be about His father's business, yet left it and went down to Nazareth and was obedient to them Lk2:51. For one who performed his first of his miracles at her request Jn.2:11. For one who despite being in pains and about to die, still made sure she was in good hands and taken care of Jn19:27. Jesus must have indeed just been rebuking His mother anyhow, so that analice107 will be happy. Smh.

DoctorAlien:
If I answer these questions, will you answer my question about Rev.12 which you ignored above?

I have displayed nothing but frankness so far "by their fruit you shall know them" Matt.7:16. Even on the post you quoted is clearly written these words : "DoctorAlien, kindly answer my own questions, I want to keep it as reference, then I will start to answer your next questions". Stop fretting, answer my questions truthfully, that all may see. Note that it shall be a reference for your future posts.

analice107:
Dearest, that question in particular did not suggest that he is the one in doubt if there was hellfire or not, it pointed more to what you propagate.

Please analice107, again I must plead with you in the name of God not to bear false witness against me. Should I ask you to show where I said there is no hell? I asked him those questions, I needed his answer.

DoctorAlien, kindly answer my own questions, I want to keep it as reference, then I will start to answer your next questions. Time for truth is here.

Now here are my own questions.

1. 1Tim.3:15 calls the church the Pillar and ground of truth, are you in this church?
2. What is the name of your church.
3.Does your church teach about the "mark of the beast"?
4. prove what it is with scripture and how does it relate to analice107 who does not attend your church (and is not catholic) for example.
5. Do people go to hell and is it eternal? Prove with scripture.
6. Just say and type " Mary, mother of the son of God, you are blessed".

analice107:
Finally, I heard it from a Catholic. "There's no hellfire and even if there is, its not eternal". Wonderful
Now, here is a other revelation pointing that behind the Catholic Religion stands satan.

Dear one, why are you so bent on condemning me? I asked DoctorAlien those questions, he hasn't answered them, the catholic teaching on hell is visible for everyone to see. If you were truly a Catholic like you always claimed, you would have rebuked me with Catholic teaching if i say there is no hell. Why do you hate us so much that you don't care to heap lies on us? believe me, I was really beginning to think that you only desire truth, and not to justify your position. Anyway, Let him answer my questions and lets see if you agree with him. For the avoidance of doubt, the Catholic Church teaches that there is hell where the damned go and it is eternal.

DoctorAlien:
1. Show me where the Bible says that Heaven, where GOD dwells, has a queen.
2. Show me where it is stated in the Bible that Mary is ruling in Heaven as a queen.
3. When Jesus was introduced in Matt. 3:17; 17:5, was He introduced as the son of Mary or as the son of GOD?
4. Show me a single place in the Bible where Jesus referred to Mary as His mother.
5. Show me where the Bible explicitly encourages us to venerate Mary.
6. "I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images" Isa. 42:8.
Explain this verse in relation to your choice of giving GOD's glory to Mary.

1. Show me where the Bible says that Heaven, where GOD dwells, has a queen... Rev.12:1 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:


2. Show me where it is stated in the Bible that Mary is ruling in Heaven as a queen....Ps. 45:9 Kings' daughters were among thy honourable women: upon thy right hand did stand the queen in gold of Ophir.

3. When Jesus was introduced in Matt. 3:17; 17:5, was He introduced as the son of Mary or as the son of GOD?....God is His father, Mary is his Mother. Lk1:31-32 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS. He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:


4. Show me a single place in the Bible where Jesus referred to Mary as His mother... irrelevant. It didn't stop the angel from calling her that, it didn't stop the apostles from calling her that, it didn't stop the Holy spirit from calling her that, why does it stop you, if not for Rev.12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.


5. Show me where the Bible explicitly encourages us to venerate Mary.... LK.1:48 For he hath regarded the low estate of his handmaiden: for, behold, from henceforth all generations shall call me blessed.


6. "I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images" Isa. 42:8.
Explain this verse in relation to your choice of giving GOD's glory to Mary...Prov 19:9 - A false witness will not go unpunished, and he who breathes out lies will perish . Neither I nor the Catholic Church gives God's glory to anyone else, not even Mary.



Now here are my own questions.

1. 1Tim.3:15 calls the church the Pillar and ground of truth, are you in this church?
2. What is the name of your church.
3.Does your church teach about the "mark of the beast"?
4. prove what it is with scripture and how does it relate to analice107 who does not attend your church (and is not catholic) for example.
5. Do people go to hell and is it eternal? Prove with scripture.
6. Just say and type " Mary, mother of the son of God, you are blessed".

analice107:
Okay, I stand corrected

Oh how quick you took this, just because it was against Mary, yours is anything against Mary, the woman scripture says all generation shall call blessed.

Consider this, "Who speaks through scriptures"? When you are deep in error, you truncate scriptures by yourself. What He did is whisper to you like the serpent to eve in the garden thus: "The Holy spirit speaking through scriptures, speaks differently from Jesus". For if it's true that "All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction..." 2Tim3:16, then who else than the devil will inspire in one to treat the following as false:

Matt.2:11 - And when they were come into the house, they saw the young child with Mary his mother, and fell down, and worshipped him:

Luke 2:51 - And he went down with them, and came to Nazareth, and was subject unto them: but his mother kept all these sayings in her heart.

John 2:3-5 - And when they wanted wine, the mother of Jesus saith unto him, They have no wine...

John 19:26-27 - When Jesus therefore saw his mother, and the disciple standing by, whom he loved..,

Revelation 12:5 - And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron : and her child was caught up unto God, and [to] his throne.

laribari:
Olodo!!

God bless you.

analice107:
Sir, was king Nebuchadnezzar a Jew or a Pagan king? On what basis did Daniel who referred to Nebuchadnezzar as king of kings did so?

Was it meant to accord him supernatural veneration just like Mary is today?

I find it disturbing that the Catholic religion will give the title of a pagan deity to the mother of Christ, knowing quite well who the Queen of heaven was or still is, what her activities were.

At what point did this Mary became the queen of heaven? the Apostles never accorded her any divinity.
Sir, I give up. you know what? I cant understand how God gives instructions but you insist on flaunting them yet coming up with logic why you shd.
I give up.

I do not stop you from pretending not to understand. I will summarize it thus:

King of Kings was used for Nebuchadnezzar, but Jesus is indeed the King of Kings for He is King of all in Heaven and Earth. The fact that it was used for nebuchadnezzar did not make it unsuitable for Jesus.

Lucifer is translated as morning star, but Jesus is also hailed as the Morning star, it's one of His praise titles, it means there is no one like Him in His category. The fact that it was used as name for one who is evil, does not make it unsuitable as a praise title for Jesus.

The false goddess was called queen of Heaven, but Mary is the true Queen of Heaven, for her son Jesus is the King of Kings who reigns in heaven. The fact that it was used for a goddess did not make it unsuitable for Mary.

solite3:
All these does not prove purgatory, forgiveness is only possible on earth not when you die

He simply quoted Scriptures to prove that all sins are not equal, did you disprove any of them?

analice107:
Sir, this link still took me to where my Google search took me. I still cant download. there are no pdf versions. okay, i will try and glean whatever i can from Hahn.

Look, I have this book in hard copy, but because of you, I now have to download a PDF copy of the book, from the same link i gave you. I am looking at it now as i type. Click on the link, scroll down pass the "Forward" written, then look at the three downloadable versions, PDF is the third, click on it and scroll down, (don't change the language if the icon pops up) then click download. It's that easy.

laribari:
That is a silly question. What have you sacrificed for God?

Don't judge me because u don't know me, asking what I can undergo. how can u dtermine that? It doesn't have to be in the measure of Peter but I will never forsake the Lord even if it will cost my life. Dying in Christ is what more than temporary pleasure. I have made up my mind on that since.

You are misquoting the word lol. I have proven that you do not know what you are saying and I used all those people to prove it. Very simple.


Have u lied before? Just answer yes or No?

You already denied Him before men, You are ashamed to say your church, then you lied.


Why do you post in doubles, is it so you can change any one at will?

Geist:
Have seen so many seperated Christians begin their arguments with the bolded but ask them if they were baptized in the Catholic Church and which catechism classes and for how long they attended these classes and you will find just how far away from catholism they were while been (in their own words) "Catholics".

My brother, baptism and Catechism classes aren't enough really. Even some who got these, While baptism doesn't imbue knowledge; but claims you for Christ, catechism as presently practiced is likened to milk (1cor3:2), time comes when the catholic needs solid food and that's what they didn't wait to get, the solid food cooked in the one Holy Church, the Pillar and ground of truth 1 Tim 3:15. This, they should have made effort to get.

analice107:
Okay, i have seen Scot Hahn. But his book doesnt seem to have pdf versions.

While we are at this let me also recommend this book to you. "Far From Rome, Near To God". The testimonies of 50 Converted Catholic Priests. Compiled by " Richard Bennett" a former Dominican Catholic Priest.

It's a deal, I'll check it out. Try here https://www.ebookscatolicos.com/rome-sweet-home-scott-and-kimberly-hahn/

analice107:
okay. I will prefer the Titles so will just look for their pdf versions

Alright. Start with this "Rome sweet Home, Our journey back to Catholicism"

laribari:
You are so funny my friend and I'm just laughing because of ur words. It's good to know the scriptures o and that no man can manipulate you or play on ur spiritual intelligence.

Your words didn't get to me that I lied, instead it's just funny.

If na by lie, Abraham who lied to Pharoah that Sarah was not his wife would have been perished. Yet he is the father of faith and even a whole Peter deny Christ yet repented.

The bible says there is no condemnation to them that are in Christ Jesus, so how can I perish? Lol.

God bears me witness that I have attended Redeem (life city perish) a lot and I still have friends there and can still attend tomorrow because of what I see about their teachings. But that is not my church and I kept telling you that. I don't criticize anyhow or without fact and I know where I can enter.

"For the word of God is living, and active, and sharper than any two-edged sword, and piercing even to the dividing of soul and spirit, of both joints and marrow, and quick to discern the thoughts and intents of the heart." Heb 4:12

I thank God for the Holy Spirit, He never fails me. That's what is affecting you now, the word of God I used is piercing through you. You are listing Abraham and Peter as your models in telling lies, do you have the faith of Abraham or are you willing to undergo what Peter underwent for Christ?

laribari:
OK fine I lied to you because I wanted to see your reaction abt redeem and I was right, you didn't condemn. If I said olumba olumba you will muder me. I know ur plans and I applied wisdom u dey vex. Not like you found out, I even told you myself, yet u dey shout say I lie, I lie.

Bros, you wanna hold on the lie and judge me with it?

Please u are purer and cleaner than me as I am chief sinner.

PLEASE TELL ME YOU HAVE NEVER LIED BEFORE?

Unless you have never, else proverb 19:9 applied to you too and even Peter who denied every knowing Jesus. Ignorance!

Didn't the bible say if you sin once then u have transgressed all the law.

So please since u wanna judge me as a liar, I agree. But tell me you have never lied before.

Thnks

I just don't know where to start from in this your post. “He who is without sin among you, let him be the first to throw a stone at her" Jn.8:7 You were the one who picked up stone and started throwing first, just go take a look at your posts, just one question and you're already manifesting the spirit in you. I just did what the bible said, to test all spirits and you've been found wanting. I pointed out the lie you told, and I rebuked you with scriptures, be humble and you shall know the truth; and it shall set you free.

analice107:
sir, am not saying he is not called the morning star, am concerned with who he Lucifer was and what made him being referred to as Lucifer the star of the morning.
Besides, why are we deviating from the topic? We should talk about Mary and her being Worshipped.

Dear one, If I make a point, it doesn't hurt to acknowledge it as true. Then we move to another.

Please recall why I came into your post, the issue was that someone said Queen of Heaven was a false goddess, hence it wasn't a good move to give that title to Jesus' mother. The OP replied by saying that "King of Kings" was also used for an evil king, yet we give it to Jesus, for which you tried to say that the person suffered for taking the title. Even though it wasn't a good defense, I had to bring in the Morning star/Lucifer issue to show you that even if an evil being had earlier bore a name, it doesn't prevent the one who truly owns the title from being given it. Just like Jesus was still called the morning Star. I hope you understand now.

On Mary being worshiped, I will ask you if worship is more a thing of the heart or a thing of the physical?

analice107:
Is it a book or an Author?

Scott hahn is an author, he wrote books.

analice107:
Sir, I was full flesh very active Catholic. Am not a stranger to anything you want to say. I preached it too.
Sir, If you have eternity in view, and you read your Bible yet don't ask some salient questions questioning what you are preaching now, Well...Maybe your heaven wont be the one the Bible is talking about. just saying.

Just Google Scott Hahn and read, he was a non Catholic Minister before his conversion, if you do read much then you can take on his books, any one that catches your fancy.

analice107:
Who was Lucifer? Sir, May be you should a research on meaning of the Word "Lucifer". That was who God created, When he fell, he lots what made him Lucifer. If you still stand here today and call satan Lucifer then, what can i say?

In Ezekiel 28:14 When he was still Lucifer, he was called "The Annionted Cherub that covereth".
Is he still a Cherub and is he still covering the Mercy seat?
Sir, maybe we should take time and discuss why Lucifer was referred to in that term.
Give us the verses where you got this from, i mean where Satan was called Bright and morning star and also where Jesus was called that, lets talk.

Dear one, note that what is at stake is not me defeating you or you defeating me, it's that truth may be laid bare. So do kindly give some thought to my posts before responding. I quoted Isaiah 14:12 earlier on. I will post from verse 11 now that you may know who is being addressed. And where he was at the time of address.

11.Your pomp and the music of your harps Have been brought down to Sheol; Maggots are spread out as your bed beneath you And worms are your covering.' 12"How you have fallen from heaven, O star of the morning, son of the dawn! You have been cut down to the earth, You who have weakened the nations!

Kindly note that I pointed this out to show you that though he was called morning star, it doesn't remove the fact tha Jesus Is hailed as "morning star" as a figure of speech or title in same scripture. It doesn't make Jesus Lucifer.

laribari:
I repeat my church is not the issue or topic of discuss here. Whether my church is true or fake does it still change the fact that catholic is false?

My church and pastor you do not know because not eveyone attend a mega church as you think. Have u heard of Gtan? That is my church. U are missing the point and that is why I didn't wanana respond to it.

Whether I drink yoyo bitters or not does not change the fact that it is still bita.

Obviously u are trying to turn the table. We are talking about Catholic and Mary's involvement in Christainity.

I do not care what RCC do in terms of fund raising, what time they run their service because that is tentative. You can stay in God's presence for 10mins and be beta Dan those who spend hrs.

Why I comment is because salvation involves Mary and dead saints which is something I will stand against.

I don't care abt other things as doctrines that doesn't affect Christianity such as not doing bible study and all that because that. If you study it's for ur own self but it has nothing to do with salvation.

Please understand me before you ask me abt church and pastor again. Thanks

In btw, do not accuse me that I lied because I know what I did. If I wanted to keep it I will but I decided to tell you. I already knew where you are going and what you wanna do which was why I picked Adeboye of redeem because not many bad things can be said abt him (that is if there is any self), as he is modest and I got you there. Besides, you probably expect to hear a popular pastor. I'm wise!

It is not by size of church.

Peter that catholic adores lied and denied Jesus three times, I hope he was crucified for that? I just pulled a smart one on you because I saw how desperate you are to know my church.

Lets take a look at the bold in your posts:

Ok, your church may be true or fake, but your hatred for the catholic Church is what matters right?

You never wrote any pastor's name in that post (thank God i quoted you), yet you went back dishonestly to include Adeboye's name, then come here to brag about it and claim "I'm wise!" Smh for liars and deceivers, i don't blame you anyway, your mentors are neck deep in it. I won't be dragged into condemning redeem church or Adeboye, only God knows if you even attend the Church.

Prov 19:9 - A false witness will not go unpunished, and he who breathes out lies will perish .

analice107:
And how many of these Kings referred to as king of kings have men the world over honouring venerating them? how many of them are advocates, intercessors, and Mediators between God and their worshippers?
And, do you remember what happened to King Nebuchadnezzar when he saw himself in the position of the king of kings? for seven years, he became animal to teach him sense.

I hope you know what Lucifer means....Morning Star Is14:12. Why don't you quarrel with scripture that still calls Jesus morning Star in Rev 22:16, and more.

analice107:
Sir i do not claim to know too much. wont it be nice if you can refute my questions with points?
Yes, i read "The Great Controversy" written by an adventist, but am not an Adventist. If what Ellen White wrote are lies, bring up your rebuttal. we know that lies sell, but the truth prevails at last. If the Catholic Religion didn't do even worst of what she is accused of doing, then lets talk.
I love History so i read, i wont object reading whatever you feel its the truth. Please post me links, recommend Books and i will read. Thank you.

You see dear one, you don't ask questions, you ponificate and condemn. That's how your posts come out, because I have tried to engage you before. If you need a discuss, then let there be a discuss. With respect to "The great Controversy", hope you know you're with the mark of the beast if you don't observe the sabbath. How then do you see yourself as saved and the Catholics condemned? I will surely recommend books and links for any question you sincerely ask, that i cannot give you a simple answer here.

laribari:
Who are my pastors?

I have praised anyone of these people you put up?
If they do not serve the true God and decieve their members they are doomed.

However, this is abit different because their doctrine do not go against the teaching of the bible. And if they do follow the bible and go behind to do Anoda thing, then they fool themselves. Catholic Fool both themselves and their members. U guys are into abomination.

If those pastor u put up are occultic for money sake, we'll good for them and in the end they will suffer it.

Difference is that you still can't fault dem by their doctrine because if they are truly money mongers they will still continue to tell the truth but do not observe it.

Catholic don't even show the truth let alone say it because the aim is to lead members to hell and not actually just seeking money.

Now a simple question, no long stories. "What is the name of your church and who is your Pastor?"

Just take a look at the bold and see how you tell lies from the teeth. Do you want me to start posting their contradictory teachings?

Please go back to your snake eating.