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Barnabaseloka:
Syncan, I hope you can merge the three posts directly above to get a clue of what I have been saying.. I needed to get you back to your ascertions before further discussions b/c you inferred me wrongly.

Oga, your allegation that I accused you of something, was based on my first post. That's where your questions started. Every other subsequent post was in response to your questions. Now I have asked you to show me where i made that accusation, which you've taken a whole lot of space to cry about in order to avoid answering the question inherent there. You are here still posting my quotes and asking me to merge them. SMH Probably you've been doing your consultations on my question, when you're ready let me know.

Barnabaseloka:
Keep on hurling insults at me in a mild way. You alleged I wrote something yet could not bring it out from my posts. When I requested you to show it to me, you turned around to say that I was crying wolf. If I leave you to go on, you will infer me wrongly again. The matter is: where you not the one that brought in the issue about the Bereans and circumcision which you said i did? Did you not do it so that I can show you how they searched the scriptures on it?
I will ask you this question again: Can you show me from my posts where I wrote about Bereans and circumcision which you alleged that I did?
Take it easy Syncan. I will answer your questions, but first of all clear the air on the question above.

I asked you a simple question earlier, which you have failed to answer, rather you copied and paste a whole conversation over again. Where exactly did i allege that you wrote about "the bereans and circumcision"? I need you to point out the exact sentence where i said you wrote about bereans and circumcision.

Barnabaseloka:
Syncan, the issue here is not whether Paul taught the gentile christians that they should be circumcised or not. It is your inability to admit that I did not say anything concerning the Bereans and circumcision, which you alleged that I did. When I demanded that you should bring out where I talked about it in my posts, you turned around saying I was crying wolf. I understand you but you have failed to show me from my posts where I wrote on your alleged statement.

I know that Bereans christians are gentiles and so Paul must have taught them that there was no need for them to be circumcised.

SMH. You know the bold, yet this was my precise question, which became a false accusation to you.

Syncan:
When Paul told them there was no need for circumcision, which part of scripture did they check to confirm?

Barnabaseloka:
You keep twisting issues here. I know Bereans are gentiles, yet it is not the issue at hand now. The simple question is: Did I say anything that talked about Bereans and circumcision? Were you not the person that connected it to Bereans, and went ahead to lay claim that I made reference to it? Was it not when you linked Bereans and circumcision that I wrote on Gentile christians and circumcision? I am ready to answer your questions, but show me where in my posts I talked about Bereans and circumcision as you claimed I posted.

You tried to impose on me what I did not write so that you would argue a point. I hope you remember I asked you who you were referring to when you mentioned the issue of circumcision? You wrote Berean Jews. Now, you have turned around to claim that I did.

I really thought I was gonna have a conversation with a Christian, little did i know I shouldn't be so sure. It was you who said the bereans searched scriptures to confirm what Paul taught them. Berean is a gentile city, and you know that Paul taught the Gentiles that circumcision is not needed, you know all these. But when I asked you to show me which scripture they searched to confirm a particular teaching of Paul which is "circumcision is not needed", you start to cry wolf where there is none. What is the need to show you where you said Paul taught the bereans that circumcision is not needed, when you said Paul taught them, is it not part of Paul's teaching? Did you specify anything Paul taught them? Stop making yourself a laughing stock to readers.

Yes I wrote berean Jews, thinking you even know what you're saying, but obviously you dont.

Barnabaseloka:
Syncan, I was very careful to ask you who you were referring to as regards circumcision. You wrote that they were the Bereans. From the above posts, can you show me where I talked about Bereans and circumcision which you said I was referring to?

I am sure people can see beyond your play acting mr man. This is what you said below:

Barnabaseloka:
What mattered to the Bereans was to see from the scriptures, whether OT or NT, if what Paul taught them were true. This is how christians ought to check the scriptures to see if what they are taught in church are true or not.

The issue now is, What did Paul teach the Bereans? Now hear yourself:

Barnabaseloka:
Wait a minute! Of course I know that Paul taught the Gentile christians that there was no need for them to be circumcised.

Berean is in Greece, a Gentile region. If you say Paul taught the gentile Christians that there is no need for circumcision, as seen above, what are you quarreling about if i imply that he taught the Bereans that circumcision is not needed, are Bereans not Gentiles?

Barnabaseloka:
You wrote that I said something which I did not. You could not point it out from any of my posts. Instead of admittting that, you left the question unanswered and have gone ahead to throw questions at me. Now you claim I am being defensive. Go ahead! Point out in my posts where I talked about the Bereans and circumcision as you stated that I did. Then the discussion will continue.

Please point out in any of my posts where i said you talked about "bereans and circumcision"?

Barnabaseloka:
Wait a minute! Of course I know that Paul taught the Gentile christians that there was no need for them to be circumcised. But, are you trying to impose on me what I did not write in order to lay hold on something? Did I write on anything concerning the Berean christians or jews and circumcision in any of my posts, which you claimed I did?

Now he claims not to understand again. Ok, let's make it simple.

@ first bold: Which part of scripture did paul get that teaching from?

@ Second bold: Were the bereans Jews or Gentiles?

Stop being defensive, be open to truth even if it differs from your initial thought, only the truth sets one free.

Barnabaseloka:
I did not write anything about the Berean Jews and circumcision. Go back and check my post.

Oga, your post said this :

What mattered to the Bereans was to see from the scriptures, whether OT or NT, if what Paul taught them were true.

We know part of paul's teaching was that there wasn't need for circumcision Gal 5:2. Now, Knowing the importance of circumcision at that time, which book did the bereans search to confirm Pauls teaching on circumcision?

Today's Gospel Matthew 10:34-11:1

"Anyone who prefers father or mother to me is not worthy of me. Anyone who prefers son or daughter to me is not worthy of me. Anyone who does not take his cross and follow in my footsteps is not worthy of me...If anyone gives so much as a cup of cold water to one of these little ones because he is a disciple, then I tell you solemnly, he will most certainly not lose his reward...".

Sometimes we just read certain passages in scripture without grasping the weight. Modern Christianity is mostly on the lips and not beyond, that's why we have so much Christians in numerous Churches yet it's a harsh society out there. Do you know that it is those who still have a good measure of grace that recognize when they've chosen relations over God these days? Many simply live their lives as if nothing happened. Yet one has no right to trivialize the dilemma of those who find them selves in these unfortunate situations where such choices are to be made.

There's this priest, who lost his only brother a few months to his Diaconate ordination, O what pressure was he not subjected to, so as to get married and continue the family lineage. There is this couple whose marriage is not blessed with any child, the lady amidst pressure from relatives, advise of adultery and subtle Idolatory by "concerned friends", was still faced with a barrage of men trying to take advantage of her seeming vulnerability. Often times examples are been given of people who turned away from Christ and still had their way, and are now living "happily"... Yet dearly beloved, I dare say to you today;" Be still before the LORD and wait patiently for him; do not fret when people succeed in their ways, when they carry out their wicked schemes." Ps.37:7. Do not join those who know more than the church, who trivialize the church's' teachings because of laziness or spiritual laxity in the face of temptation. Remember that we are only but strangers here, and nothing on earth can diminish our joy in heaven.

Do you have a priest in your parish or chaplaincy as the case may be...especially in rural areas, how does he feed? Do you know the last time your priest got an encouraging word? Are you sure someone in that parish will pray for him today? Do you have any contributions towards the missions? hmm.....yet the words of the master keeps ringing..."If anyone gives so much as a cup of cold water to one of these little ones because he is a disciple, then I tell you solemnly, he will most certainly not lose his reward" He said.

Good morning brethren, a splendid day ahead to all.

Today's Special thoughts goes to " MzflexyDeeva, MOBJECTIVE, ChineloSA, Missonas, Agimor, Matty145, Kizmarty, Stunningjudy,BigBen10, Maureenah, Woky, Peppyluv02, Mildteddy, MrAladin (oga landlord), Hidentity, Burmak, Lordnammy, titoetal". May you and yours be secured in the hollow of His Divine Palm. Amen.

Barnabaseloka:
Who?

Artful dodger, the berean Jews as stated in your post.

Barnabaseloka:
Which people are you referring to?

Same people you were talking about in your post.

Barnabaseloka:
Some in Thessalonica believed while others did not. Some Jews, who caused the riot were only able to convince those who did not believe. Know that not everyone will believe the scriptures even when one is shown the truth from them.

What mattered to the Bereans was to see from the scriptures, whether OT or NT, if what Paul taught them were true. This is how christians ought to check the scriptures to see if what they are taught in church are true or not.

When Paul told them there was no need for circumcision, which part of scripture did they check to confirm?

Grego3:
Happy Sunday all, I'm Greg from d Diocese of Warri.

Please accept "You're welcome" from me. However, the hospitality ministry members will be with you shortly.

jnrbayano:
Happy Sunday brethren.

Testimony time!

*Grabs the mic

There have been novenas, several good wishes and prayers on this family thread offered for the benefit of our members time and again.

With great joy I announce to you what God has done for me through you my beloved. He has just blessed me with a new job.

It has been my main prayer intention in all those novenas both here and the one done in private.

It indeed is a perfect birthday present.

This our God is good and I enjoin you all to thank God with me and may he bless you all for me

Victory for one victory for all.


*Sing with me*

When we get to heaven
At the marriage supper
All the saints shall gather
At the last assembly
No more sad story
No more heart breaking
Farewell to sorrow
Victory at last.

I need not say much again. I rejoice with you brother. Indeed the Lord our God prospers us in the works of our hands. Deut.30:9.

hurricaneChris:
Just when you start thinking you're coming up in the "faith hustle", this brother comes up another masterpiece.

Always making us see how much we need to understand the faith.
May God bless ur intelligence brother.

Ehmmm... Now Kamsfied is back, should we beg for sunday rice again?
Wishing everyone here a wonderful sunday.

God bless and keep you always.

"Every time you post something about your faith you're building up the kingdom of God! Be Courageous! Share the Gospel today"!...Anon


A splendid Sunday ahead to you all.

Kamsified:
Woah This is deep
'Sleep walking to a wrong spot' nailed it.

The oil of your wisdom shall never run dry. Amen
Happy Sunday bro

God bless you dear. A splendid Sunday ahead to you.

ILIDEFI:
By saying the saints of God, I meant those who lived and died in Christ. Those are the people recognised as Saints of God in the scriptures.
Read Revelations 7. Pay attention to verses 13&14 thus:

13Then one of the el­ders asked me, “These in white robes—who are they, and where did they come from?”
14I an­swered, “Sir, you know.”
And he said, “These are they who have come out of the great trib­u­la­tion; they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

Do you still want to argue that the 24 elders are among those who died in Christ? My dear, they are simply heavenly beings, just like the four living creatures. As for their crowns, does God himself not have a crown?

As for what I mentioned about roles, I only commented based on scriptures. Read Rev 5:8:

8And when he had tak­en it, the four liv­ing crea­tures and the twen­ty-four el­ders fell down be­fore the Lamb. Each one had a harp and they were hold­ing gold­en bowls full of in­cense, which are the prayers of God’s peo­ple.

Oga you need to read again, Scripture also called the people of God on earth saints (Eph.1:1) ...but that is by the way now. So elders in what ever institution you find yourself are not part of it right? God has a crown you say, and I ask, and so what? Who are the "heirs of God and are coheirs with christ"? Rom.8:17. It is these heirs of God and coheirs with Christ that wear Crowns. The elders wore crowns didn't they? You have not said anything so far, you quoted Rev 7:13 as saints of God and i ask you who told you the elders are not part of them, and indeed their leaders. I will not go into the significance of presentation of incense before God, who does it, and the act of intercession, the scripture is filled with it.

ILIDEFI:
The 24 elders are not Saints of God . They were never earthly human beings. They are heavenly beings.Part of their roles and the roles of angels is presenting the prayers of the church before God. They don't speak and intercede for humans.
Christ's job in heaven isn't to carry all the prayers of the church to God. He defends you before God, and gives God reasons why he should answer your prayers, forgive your sins and save you etc. So you see, it's different from the work of the Angels.

No,they are not saints of God, they are your village oracles.

Is it not the saints of God that are to receive crowns of glory in heaven? Now look at this:

Rev.4:10 "the twenty-four elders fall down before him who is seated on the throne and worship him who lives forever and ever. They cast their crowns before the throne, saying,...". You guys should just stop this arrogance in ignorance. Look at you, playing God and assigning roles to some imagined heavenly beings, completely unsupported by the scripture he claims to uphold.

VcStunner:
I have already made my point.... I A̶̲̥̅♏ a catholic but I do have issues with certain practices just as other learneths who hav refused to worship in ya church may also have an issue with her doctrines. We all wanna get to the father right and Jesus said no one does dat except through him.. Its just dat simple. Believe in Christ and u ar safe dats it

Pay no heed to him. He should go and find the use of "worship" at the time of Alphonsus de ligouri. Better still he should find out how many places worship is divided into. In British English, even in the derivation of the English word “worship” we see that it was not exclusively used of God or Jesus, but was used to designate someone worth the respect they received. In the bible, the word shachah in hebrew or "proskuneo" means "to kiss the hand, bow down before, show obeisance, to worship." You can Imagine how many times it appeared in the bible, but each time it carries a different meaning, depending on who it is given to.

Few Examples.

Genesis 23:7 Then Abraham rose and bowed down [shachah] before the people of the land, the Hittites.
Genesis 33:3He himself [Jacob] went on ahead and bowed down [shachah] to the ground seven times as he approached his brother.
Matthew 18:26 “The servant fell on his knees [proskuneo] before him. ‘Be patient with me,’ he begged, ‘and I will pay back everything.’

Yet God said:

Exodus.23:24 Thou shalt not bow down [shachah]to their gods, nor serve them,

Even the prophet Nathan went before the king and worshiped him, yet no one accuses him of Idolatory, why, because they know he does not mean to give him what is due God.

1 Kings 1:23 And they told the king, “Nathan the prophet is here.” So he went before the king and bowed [shachah] with his face to the ground.

It is only our English bible translation that now uses bow down, bend knees, pay obeisance etc, just to distinguish the worship due God. Yet each had appeared in same words in Hebrew. Alphonsus did not write in English, and the translators acted in line with the English of the time. Alphonsus never gave Mary the worship due to God, and Catholics don't too. Yet when they see "worship", like in that poem, they go up in arms.

Take note.

"Then Joshua tore his clothes and fell face down (prostrate) to the ground before the ark of the LORD" Joshua 7:6. Shebi Joshua has worshiped the ark too. SMH.

Happy feast day MariaGoretti

OLAADEGBU:
But Peter, whom you claim is your first Pope said that you should give us a reason for your faith, what are you worried about?

"But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear" (1 Peter 3:15).

"He plied him with many questions, but Jesus gave him no answer". LK23:9

When it's time to imitate the Master, the spirit will tell.

From Today's first Reading. Genesis 28:10-22


"....Then Jacob awoke from his sleep and said, ‘Truly, the Lord is in this-place and I never knew it!’ He was afraid and said, ‘How awe-inspiring this place is! This is nothing less than a house of God; this is the gate of heaven'!..."

The house of God...the gate of heaven...Jnrbayano did you notice something? Yes o, did you not notice a relationship between this statement and what Jesus said in Matt. 16:18-19 "...and upon this rock I will build my church...And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven...". God has never hidden it, the people of God had always known it, that through the Church, God dispenses all that is necessary to go to heaven. On earth, the church is the pathway to heaven, that's why the psalmist was so happy seeing people go to the house of God " I rejoiced when I heard them say: let us go to the house of the Lord" Ps.122. For in the house of God there is fulness of Joy, peace flows like a river, comfort is given to the distressed, hope to the wearied and strength to the weak. Yes freedom is given to the captives, for truth is enthroned in the church 1Tim 3:15. Though you'll find thieves(sinners) in the house of God Matt.21:13, yet it's a home for saints Phill.4:21. Italo my brother, Where is the house of God on earth, where is the gate of heaven, which is the Church.. or where do you find the keys of heaven? As at this moment, as I speak to you, no one else lay a claim to it than the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church. Only this Church says for example with audacity "Maria goretti is in heaven, ask her to pray for you". Why so? you may ask, and i will respond "If you have the keys to a place, won't you recognize those you open the gate for? Who else can say like the apostles in Acts 15 "It has pleased us and the Holy spirit, not to impose any burden on you...". Did you notice that Jacob was in the House of God without knowing? why? It is because he was sleeping. Haven't you heard them say "When I was in the catholic church bla bla bla, but now I have seen the light bla bla bla". Beloved SalC, they were sleeping! A lot sleep in the house of God, many sleep and wake up to realize like Jacob, but some walk in their sleep, and away they go before they wake. They both had the dream, but where did you find your self when you wake? The right spot where you slept or did you sleep walk to a wrong spot. Sleep walking is a disorder, it couldn't have taken you to a right place, may God help sleep walkers.


"If God goes with me and keeps me safe on this journey I am making, if he gives me bread to eat and clothes to wear, and if I return home safely to my father, then the Lord shall be my God. This stone I have set up as a monument shall be a house of God"

Yesterday there was this thread on our Lady that made front page, and people came there in their ignorance to bash the Catholic Church, Rich4god nwanne m, it was indeed an encounter. Look at Jacob, "If God keeps me safe...then the Lord shall be my God". The test of the pudding is in eating. They ask if Mary's Intercession is effective, if it means anything. Poor children. ChineloSA, what do they know? No one told them of the battle of lepanto(1571) and the role of Mary in keeping all of them Christians today, against mohammedans. Even wikipedia has this to say: "The Holy League[name of the christian army] credited the victory to the Virgin Mary, whose intercession with God they had implored for victory through the use of the Rosary". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Lepanto

Kamsified adanne, No one told them about the church "Our Lady of Pillars" in Spain which was started by St. James after the blessed virgin(still alive) visited him in bi-location to help him out in his troubles and the rest is history. Wikipedia has this to say "During the Spanish Civil War of 1936–1939 three bombs were dropped on the church but none of them exploded.[3] Two of them are still on show in the Basilica". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basilica_of_Our_Lady_of_the_Pillar


Do they want to hear from us? Let them hear from our own Hurricanechris https://www.nairaland.com/1468705/famous-rosary-miracles-believers/4#19153561 .
Where is stunningjudy dearest, seems they've not heard from you https://www.nairaland.com/1464338/thread-catholics/384#34715393. Ah, today we celebrate one of her daughters St. Maria Goretti, who preferred to die in the hand of a lust driven young man, but forgave and had her killer converted, by appearing to him in a dream just like Jacobs'. Today let's ask her intercession for the protection of our sisters...oh, and brothers in this modern world...from sexual crimes, and for comfort to rape victims.

God bless you. A splendid day ahead to all.

MuttleyLaff:
You know the contention is not about if Jesus was quoting Psalm 22 or not
but was that Jesus did not quote Psalm 22:1 verbatim, as in not word for word or copy for copy
Jesus deliberately and consciously changed "azabtani" in Psalm 22:1 to "sabachthani" when He uttered His 4th word on the cross


Jesus deliberating did quote Psalms 22:1 verbatim
but consciously changed, switched language and used the Aramaic "sabachthani", so as to make the distinction from "nashatani"

Oga,amidst all these singing and chanting, Please read again these words of yours, especially in bold, and tell me what is in my post below that you're quarreling with.

Syncan:
Psalm 22.

Since I've seen you just want to pass an opinion to me, I have taken note of it, but like I said earlier I am not inclined towards it. Someone made a post about Jesus praying to the father, I referred the person to Psalm 22, You came in arguing against my post of "Psalm 22", only for you to start posting the bold. If the bone of contention is not Jesus quoting Psalm 22(as you stated above), and you accept he was quoting Psalm 22, why do you quarrel with my post that simply said "Psalm 22".

O my people,"wherefore consider, I pray you, and see how he seeketh a quarrel against me" 2Kings 5:7.

clefstone:
well, for starters, Mary herself said 'all generation shall call me blessed'(Luke 1:48). Therefore, it wasn't a wrong act by that woman to call her blessed.
Now, why did Jesus rebuke the woman for calling his mother blessed? Because he knew the woman called Mary blessed for the simple reason of her being his mother(compare with the passage where Christ rebuked the rich young man for calling him 'good'). However, Mary is not blessed just for that reason, but for the fact that she obeyed God's will. Read that passage again and understand.
@poster, this very passage is read in the catholic church during the year(daily mass reading), so don't think you are calling to the church's attention something she chose to ignore.
@ italo and syncan you guys rock
Cc honourhim

God bless you.

ILIDEFI:
My brother, where in the Bible is it stated that the saints who died in Christ intercede for the living? Why would you share the role of Christ with another being/individual entirely? Those who died in Christ are resting, awaiting the second coming of Christ. They are not engaged in any intercessory duty. It's unscriptural to ascribe any such place to them.

"the twenty-four elders,fell down before the Lamb, each holding a harp, and with golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints" Rev. 5:8.

Angels do the same thing: "[An] angel came and stood at the altar [in heaven] with a golden censer; and he was given much incense to mingle with the prayers of all the saints upon the golden altar before the throne; and the smoke of the incense rose with the prayers of the saints from the hand of the angel before God" Rev. 8:3–4.

So tell me, were they sharing the role of Christ there?

nyabinghi:
who shouted eli eli lamasabachtani and to who, God is the creator of jesus so worship not and not a man created by God

I will not respond to you a muslim, in a Christian religious section, unless you put this in your profile "Jesus is Lord and Saviour". When you do, call on me again. Let's start from being fair to all.

eyenibibio:
And you should stop worshipping Mary. Goobye.

I've exposed the lies you've been fed with, and shown you truth."Today, [you have heard] his voice, do not harden your hearts as in the rebellion Heb 3:7,15.
Remember as you go "only the truth shall set you free". John 8:32

May Divine light guide your path.

charlsecy:
Mary, indeed, is blessed and gracious, but we shouldn't pray to her for deliverance.


You should understand the difference between physical death and spiritual (eternal) death.

Please stop quoting me just to make an unfounded opinion or baseless claim.

eyenibibio:
Yes, it was right about 2nd and 3rd Century. Infact, it was men like Tyndale, Martin Luther King, etc who started it & the Catholic church persecuted them.

hahahahahaha

Martin Luther Born: November 10, 1483, Eisleben, Germany, Died: February 18, 1546, Eisleben, Germany

William Tyndale Born c. 1494 Gloucestershire, England, Died c. 6 October 1536

Did i not tell you to stop saying what you don't know about? How did this people live in the 2nd and 3rd century (300-400AD)?

Hahahaha, Martin Luther King Indeed. Those telling you these things must have been smoking weed.


( Ex 23:1 )- You shall not spread a false report.You shall not join hands with a wicked man to be a malicious witness.

( Prov 19:9 )- A false witness will not go unpunished, and he who breathes out lies will perish .

misreal:
hahahahhahhahahahhahahah.....because the priest are not human...hahahha...shey your rev father is an angel...hahahahhaahahaha...didn't you read how Paul rebuked peter....hahahah.....bros ya salvation dey ya hand oh.if you like seek to know God and his ways,if you don't like leave am oh..I think I av said enough...

That's the beauty of it all, unlike you the we don't follow one man's teaching. Paul rebuked Peter while they were discussing, because of his weakness in standing for the gentiles, and not for teaching error. In the end, it was peter that stood up and narrated what God did with Him in the life of Cornelius the gentile. Acts 15. The Church holds her councils and make decision just like the one I quoted where the church removed circumcision as a requirement. In another of those councils in 325ADthe church coined the word Trinity. In a later synod in 393AD, the Church Canonized the Bible. And it continued that way till today, because the church believes that Jesus words are true when he said "When two or three are gathered in my name , there am I among them". Matt 18:20. Also the Church believed Jesus when He said that and "whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven". Matt.16:19. And He said He will be with the church till the end of time. But it seems you don't believe.

donefezy:
if i may ask the words on verse 39 and 42 did they look alike? The answer is No. So thats not a recitation. Or you don't know the meaning of the word RECITATION ?
Anyway, i aint quoting you again, am only pointing at somethin and i don't like arguing the Bible.Regards

Hahahaha, so you want to say the bible is lying abi. If they were not same thing that Jesus said, which of them was verse 44 referring to when it said "And he left them, and went away again, and prayed the third time, saying the same words."? Good for you, stop arguing against the bible.