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babestell: Thank you very much jor. Don't mind these mad PHC taxi drivers always threatening a holy place of confession. If only they knew the kind of activity Syncan forsees going on in it. They would drive more reasonable

Happy New Month everyone.

Thanks debbie for the roll call. How are your kids and family.

hahahaha...PHC taxi drivers make una time o, Holy Ghost zone, Pls keep off.

italo: Yes. I too want to know what happened to that Church!

I am very much interested in the knowledge of what happened to the church too.

"...An unspiritual person is one who does not accept anything of the Spirit of God: he sees it all as nonsense; it is beyond his understanding because it can only be understood by means of the Spirit..." 1Cor2:10-16

Hmmm...The confessional...How long has it been since we last visited it. Do we really appreciate what goes on there? It's of the spirit isn't it, as a matter of fact, the giving of that authority was preceded by the gift of the Spirit...He breathed on them and said, "receive the Holy Spirit. Whosoever sin you forgive is forgiven..." John20:22-23 . Aha, so this sacrament has the spirit written all over it, what then do we make of it, how do we approach it, do we take it for granted or do we make use of it effectively? We are always quick to seek relief for loads borne on our physical beings, but we constantly ignore the weight crushing our souls. We bear it, Oh, we bear it so hardheartedly, seeking distractions from the groans of the soul under the weight of sin, we often seek distractions in noise, company, media etc. Anything at all but the voice of the soul. Yet there at the corner of the church, by the window of the chapel, beside the gate of the parochial house, in Chukwudi44's sitting room, even inside babestell's car... indeed anywhere you find a priest of the Catholic Church, there lies your relief.

Today we read in the Gospel about Jesus exorcism of a man in John 4:31-37. Isn't that what happens at the confessional? Those who were a while ago bound by the devil, marked by guilt and stain, his possessions, are forcefully snatched away from his clutches. They are given a new lease of life, washed clean, refreshed and healed by grace, and thrown back into the battle field. Oh, how merciful our God is, that we don't only get one chance in life, what better way to show his own practice of "seventy times seven".

I once heard the story of a lady, who had lived so wicked a life, then she was illuminated by grace and sought out a priest for confession. As she went on with her confessions, the priest was so alarmed by the evils in her past, then he got agitated, then he was so infuriated; that he retorted, "what kind of human are you!...to think you came here hoping for forgiveness...". As he spoke, a noise started at the alter, and the vibrating Crucifix at the top of the alter wall caught their attention. Lo, as if from the crucifix came a voice, and it said..." I died for her as well". Oh the loving kindness of the heart of our God, who has visited his people like the dew from on high... LK 1:78.

He loves me; I cannot say why... On Calvary's tree, he suffered for me, He loves me; I cannot say why.

Good morning brethren, a splendid day ahead to all.

KiddaBlingzz: and i wasnt forgotten! *dancing kolomental*

and to those who wished me journey mercies(esp IFY124,syncan,rich4god), i cant thank you enough. I love you all.

And yes o. Ayaf reacheth

unfasten your seatbelts everyone

To God be the glory.

btoks: I greet you, and wish you all God's blessings.

Welcome. God bless you too as you show face more often.

Mzflexydeeva: A very happy new month to every1. I'm thankful to God for grace and mercy so far. O blessed mother Mary intercede for us as we say hail Mary full of grace.....

Welcome Sis.

debbie: bros thanx,atleast you have come to my rescue.....daalu

You're welcome, If bros doesn't come to Sis's rescue, who will

debbie: Oya happy new month and welcome to ember months
here i will try and do the roll call.....abeg answer if you are present

Make I help you remember some...

S: bluerange,stunningjudy, nnekamezor, purplesummer,titoetal,Tobetoe,frankben,emmabest2000,frankysnow,softsparky

from SalC's list...

SalC: OKpurukata, try69, peppy luv, Chukwudi44,Richieboyn, Cypher Cypher, engrtee, unonso23,mykindofperfect,Nomski0,unongu,youngprofdguru, Demain man, Sirjay50, Harmvirus, Kamsy10, Freddestiny, Shizzle11, cold blooded, Ceej24, Godwin88,leon12,prettyspicey

From kamsified's list...

Kamsified: Ekolina,dragon2, leonshom, deogratias1,frankysnow,nigerianmovie,rufex07, xynerise, ijigaparadox, vessi, maryclaire1, shizzle11, wealthywisemen, tobetoe,jsunex, chozkiel, prettyspicey, wonda26,Amack, Fmary,tosscash1, APContherun,titoetal, gbaskipro, katier00, sunshinelady,olotumogbo, viexcey, uzolexis, resourceman,justeenaleo, Aventura,bamipet01, octaves,clearwaters, ladycarol, btoks, mrarranger

Antie Debbie is wishing all of una happy new month o.

wonda26: This is wonderful. Thanks.

Wishing you a fantastic September. May God grant you all your intentions for this month.

Thanks. Amen Amen.

^^^You did well bro, when I shouted Lies Lies Lies, like athaliah shouted Treason, Treason. He said I should provide proof, I was overwhelmed at where to start from. Well done joor.

debbie: HAPPY NEW MONTH MY BELOVED PEOPLE....Remember,there is nothing difficult for God to do.
Was the last month not so good for you?
Were you disappointed?
Did you see yourself not achieving what you set out to do?
Are you doubting the promises made over your life?




But you are alive to see this new month,so cheer up...we have a loving Father who see and knows the best for us.
Always trust in him,even in the most difficult situation
HE IS ABLE
MARANATHA

Amen Amen.

IFY124: Thank you Syncan for that beautiful write up and amen to your prayers. @Kiddablingzz, journey mercies. Happy new month friends

Nne, you're welcome.

Rich4god: happy new month to you all...

Same to you bro.

jnrbayano: Awwww! as always so touching and inspiring.

May God grant many Megabytes to your phone because you touch lives with these words of yours.

And may the good lord continue to bless and keep us all.

Happy new month darlings

Thanks bro. Amen Amen Amen.

Kamsified: Nice piece bro. Thanks for sharing
Big Amen to the wonderful prayers

Thanks. You're welcome.

KiddaBlingzz: Even as i dey vex with all of una


make una pray for me o. I dey travel today and i no wan hear say cherekambia. I wan live plenty plenty.

May God's angels go with you. Journey mercies bro.

"...I came to you in weakness and fear and much trembling, and my message and my proclamation were not with persuasive words of wisdom,
but with a demonstration of spirit and power, so that your faith might rest not on human wisdom but on the power of God". 1Cor2:1-5

How very often we look for God in the mighty wind, only to miss him passing by in the gentle breeze. Oh, how many saints must have passed us by yet we didn't know, overlooking them, or even treating some badly. Imagine that Jesus own people overlooked him...“Is this not the son of Joseph?”...Lk 4:16-30. Yet right before them was the messiah they were waiting for. Many cases have there been, where people were embarrassed after finding out that the one they ridiculed earlier, wasn't that nonentity they thought at first. There's this case of a lady that slapped a top military officer(in plain clothes) in a traffic fracas, having assessed that her wealthy husband could arrest and deal with this man who was driving a car lower in value than her's. Things changed for the woman as her husband was humiliated publicly on the spot, by a group of soldiers acting under the watch of their assaulted Oga. How differently would I have treated Jnrbayano if I knew that God is pleased with him, would I have snapped at Ify124 if I knew she is an authentic visionary who see's the heavenly beings, don't you think I would have been more patient with wonda26 had I known that he stays up all night speaking to the Lord, nor would i have pushed away Chidima disrespectfully; if I knew that despite being my neighbor's maid, she is often visited by the blessed Virgin. Yes, yes, we would have done things differently had we known...but that is the koko... we wouldn't know, for we are expected to see Christ in all, because though he came being weak in appearance, yet exhibits a "demonstration of spirit and power". That person you may treat badly, may just be in possession of the power to bring your miracle home.

Dear Brethren. As we enter once again a new month, may the good Lord look kindly on your good heart desires, may he lighten the burden you bear, give you the serenity to accept graciously what you cannot change, courage to change those you can, the discernment to know the difference, and more so; to guide your path with Divine light. Amen.

Good morning and a splendid day ahead to all.

Kamsified: Happy new month brethren

A happy new month to you Kamsified.

wonda26: And by the way, what's popping here?

Anything goes actually, so far it catches the fancy of the brethren, you may want to do a little catch up first. Beware, some people like to speak much grammer sha, if you get strength you fit join them, we go de clap for side.

wonda26:

Bros... Thanks.. I be dey a little busy for one kind thread like that

https://www.nairaland.com/1878872/what-origin-catholic-church

All these our 'brothers' won't let us be...but we dey kampe!

Greetings house.... How was church today? Mine was good. We had our children/youth harvest today: 'Harvest of Testimony' ..... I must testify

I have a prayer request... And by God's grace, I would testify very very soon

Yeah, I saw you there. May the good Lord meet you at your point of need. Amen to the testimony.

striktlymi: Now I see where the challenge is. To answer your question directly: NO!!! That view on Relativism is not what I believe in.

Though the definitions can be seen in that light but I have a very different view on them. Both definitions are as summarized:

1a & b. What we know is limited by experience and perception.

That for me is the summary of both definitions. Every other thing would be individual applications of those definitions. The extreme application of no 'absolute truth/fact' is purely academics. In the real world, that kind of application does not exist. Let me illustrate...

Mr. 'A' caused the death of Mr. 'B' by a single gun shot wound to the head.

If the above is taken for its face value, then the fact would be that Mr. 'B' is dead. That truth or fact is absolute and not subject to any individual opinion. Relativism in its extreme form has no role to play here.

However, if we consider the same scenario and introduce factors like cultural differences etc such that one child was brought up to believe that "death" means "life" then we would have a situation where what is 'true' becomes dependent on some other factors.

You may actually be arguing against the concept of relativism, I'll leave that for Ubenedictus. However, take a look at the bold in your post, and take a look at my opening post below, especially the bold part, then tell me again what you said you don't agree with in my post.

Syncan: In my opinion, I do not think it will be moral to do so in its strict sense. Imagine the morality behind excusing killing of twins because its ok in a particular culture, what could justify burying someone alive with the corpse of dead kings just because its relatively fine with a people?

At some point the relativist cannot satisfy his conscience without creating an absolute ground. What is fundamental human right if such rights are relative? Even the mere talk of moral, brings in some absoluteness, for a chief pillar for morals lies in the "golden rule", and this is absolute. So for a relativist to stake a claim on morality, he has to at some point abandon his position, else he will be endorsing quite a number of things that offends charity and morals.

wonda26, I see you, welcome to the Catholic thread.

striktlymi: What do the following definitions suggest to you?

1a : a theory that knowledge is relative to the limited nature of the mind and the conditions of knowing

b : a view that ethical truths depend on the individuals and groups holding them
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/relativism

1a: That there is no absolute fact, but what your mind calls fact based on its nature and conditions of knowing.

1b: There exists no absolute truth, but what individuals and groups hold as truth; is truth, it matters not if they are varied or even opposite, they are all truth.

Is this what you believe in?

striktlymi: Not really! I am looking at the substance in the definition of Relativism and forming an opinion (which is purely mine) based on that. I believe that is what the whole concept of words and meanings are all about.

Relativism does not stop humans from agreeing to have a point of reference which ultimately becomes an 'objective' base. The constitution for instance need not be all true, from our individual perspectives, for us all to agree to use that as our reference point. That is it becoming our objective base.

This is also the case when it comes to Christianity. Our acceptable base for objectivity is whatever God chooses to reveal. Without this revelations, we will be like sheep without a shepherd, as the Master (Jesus) made us understand. In order words, every Christian would be stuck to their own version of what is true.

Probably, I am not making myself very clear. Relativism, for me, is not denying that facts exists, it is accepting that there are factors which stands to mitigate the reality of some facts for which we cannot be held accountable. Given that it is no fault of ours.

Is the definition of relativism now relative? Am I in this debate based on your opinion of what relativism is, or does it actually have an objective definition? Relativism has no place for truncating one truth over another, Its stand is that everything known as true is true for the people involved. However, Killing of twins is wrong,there was no "agreement" to stop it, the people where told the truth; they knew the truth and it set them free.

You had earlier told me you disagreed with my term "Christian God", while not taking cognizance of the circumstance in which it was used. Now you talk about Christians agreeing to what God has revealed, through mohammed or budha or Jesus I must ask. Going foward, there was no agreement to use what God has revealed, God gave the ten commandments to the Israelites, It was absolute, it was not based on their agreement. When the Israelites turned away to other ..."truths" according to you...they were punished, they were not excused, why, because they were not free to pick "truths" based on agreement. As a matter of fact, they had agreed upon a "truth"...to make a golden calf...we saw what followed.

The bold is not what relativism is, no, even the reference you sent me to didn't say that about relativism, it is just what you think it is as you rightly said. Maybe when you come back to what it really is, then you'll see why I made my opening statement.

polkabluedot: I have gone through it. I just need a miracle.

Persist in faith, your miracle may just be close by. May she, the blessed Virgin, intercede for you.

polkabluedot: How powerful is the rosary?

Dearest, why not go through the thread below for some testimonies. You can experience yours too, taste and see.

https://www.nairaland.com/1468705/famous-rosary-miracles-believers/1#18643608

striktlymi: Okay!

My point really is that to hold a view that people's point of view with regard to what they consider true is dependent on the various socio-cultural factors and life's experiences cannot be said to be against good morals.

Oh yeah? How good is my morals, when I hold a view "that people's point of view with regard to what they consider true (which includes burying people alive with corpses, killing twins, dedicating people to Idols, outcasts/osu), is dependent on the various socio-cultural factors and life's experiences", hence nothing should be done to change it.

striktlymi: No one, except God can tell for sure why people do stuff. A good act does not necessarily mean that the act was done out of pure intent. Judas Iscariot is a good example of this.



@Bold: That suggests Relativism seeks to justify the actions of men, however wrong. Relativism is not about allowing people to do whatever it is they perceive to be right. That alone is a fine recipe for anarchy.

Relativism seeks to show that believing different things does not necessarily mean that any one or more persons are lying. It only show that the truth as humans are concerned is dependent on a number of factors.

You for instance, may have turned out to be a champion for paganism if no Christian missionary had come down to Nigeria. Or better still, you may have been protestant, if all we had were protestant missionaries. In a nutshell, man is a product of his environment, for the most part; and that is where the excuse comes in.



Not exactly! The excuse only seeks to explain the differences in human behaviour, our belief system and what we have come to ultimately accept as true. The excuse doesn't mean that the Relativist believes that his own version of what is true is objective or not borne out of his own personal experiences.



An aside: I actually do not believe there is anything like a "Christian God". I believe God is the Father of us all. It matters not whether we know this or not. It matters not how we choose to worship him e.g the Christian formula, Muslim formula, Hindu etc. What matters is our response to the sincere revelation of him.

Now, God himself is the author of Relativism. This is the very reason why our fore fathers had a chance of making Heaven. If there is no Relativism then we are saying in effect that only Catholics would make Heaven.



1) A man is accepted as mad when it has been clinically established. Objective or relative
2) Indecent exposure is as defined by law. Objective or relative

Whenever my post is broken up like you did, i kinda become disinterested. I however think you are going by your definition of relativism, taking objectivism where you feel comfortable and jumping back to relativism where comfortable. Truth is that relativism means, i should not take your posts for its worth, for they are relative in themselves. More so the catholic teaching of a place of purgation actually takes care of your problems with our forefathers.

"For the kingdom of heaven is as a man travelling into a far country, who called his own servants, and delivered unto them his goods.
And unto one he gave five talents, to another two, and to another one; to every man according to his several ability; and straightway took his journey...."Matt 25:14-30

We all grew up in families, it matters not what type, it consists however of more than one person. As we grew, responsibilities are shared and each one makes himself useful in some ways, we hear often...hardworking child, lazy bones, good for nothing child, full of promise, etc. So it is in the family of God, "those who God has chosen" 1cor1:28. Each of us needs to make use of our talents, in what way you say? "In doing good", I reply. What contribution do I bring on a regular basis to the family of God. Oh I cannot preach, but do I encourage the preacher? Remember both the apostle and the encourager gets same reward...Matt 10:42 . Again, If I cannot talk the talk, can I walk the walk? Remember it is the one who walked the walk, that stay at the right hand, and is rewarded... Matt 25:34-46. What can I offer, my time? My money? My intellect? My presence? My property? My words of encouragement? There is something for me, there is somewhere I can make myself useful for the glory of God and well being of my fellow men. That's what I'm called to do today, Make myself Useful as a member of the family of God. then and only then, will I experience the fullness of joy, for "they are happy, whose God is the Lord". Ps 33:12.

Good morning brethren, a splendid day ahead to all.

striktlymi: ...but is truth not relative?

I think that Relativism is an attempt to let people know how unfair it will be to use one 'measuring stick' to judge the actions of men.

You seem not to get him, If "truth is relative" is a relative statement on its own, why then will someone say it in an argument? If before you start a statement, you say "whatever I'm going to say is relative", of what value will your following statement be held?

striktlymi: Um I don't believe that is the case. Wanting people to accept and follow a particular way of life or belief system does not really suggest that the belief system or way of life is superior. It only brings to the fore, man's fundamental nature of wanting to conquer.

Being a Relativists is basically about giving someone else an excuse for his/her actions and not necessarily saying that the actions are in themselves good. In this regard, we can say God himself is a Relativist.

That's why it is possible to see some of our fore father's, who partook actively in the killing of twins 'yesterday', in Heaven. Relativism actually rely on the perspectives of individuals.

Would it be right to charge a mad man for indecent exposure if he chooses to go about in his 'birthday suite'? The mad man sees what he sees. Acknowledging that the mad man is not guilty for that action (unlike the case of one who is sane) is what I think Relativism is about.

So you are saying that Mary Slessor and those presently championing for Human rights, including the church, are doing so due to "man's fundamental nature to conquer"?

I do not believe the bold is what relativism actually is, Relativism does not seek to excuse, no, it actually believe it should be so for the one. When a relativist talks of "excuse", then it means he already acknowledges the objectivity of the particular truth from which he seeks to excuse the one. This is no longer relativism in its strict sense, and makes nonsense of the relativist stand. The Christian God is not relativist, He made a set of commandments, Christ told the apostles to preach his gospel to the whole world, It means he wants the whole world to acknowledge the His good news as objective/absolute, this is not relativism.

My question on your last example will be "Why did you call that man mad"? and "What constitutes Indecent exposure"?

SalC: And you saw clearly, how are you the bros?

I am fine Sis, I believe you are getting stronger by the day.