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Edeyoung:An evidence would have helped you do a better job of chasing this people out of the Edo ethnic group. Even though your brothers here on Nairaland are silently calling you fool. Any such evidence?? ![]() |
Edeyoung:I think you're getting yourself confused already. You're replying to a different comment from what you intended. But to shut this too down as I have been doing, an Edo blog does not constitute an evidence. You've being humbled on the second thread on this very issue. What then is the point of coming here hoping to cover your shame with Edo blog which has been trashed in the second thread? See the link below to the second thread for a reminder: https://www.nairaland.com/5894619/benin-influence-yorubas#90351928 |
Edeyoung:The photograph itself has a legible handwritten annotation which reads: Oluwo (King of Iwo) and his wives. Stop pretending to be blind. Or are you? ![]() |
Edeyoung:First of all, the settlements of Benin kingdom raided by Aje include: Ososo, Osi, Ebune, Ugbosi, Ibillo, Ekor, Ekpesa, Lankpese, Ibiekuma, Ekpe, and many others. So, your damage control about Ososo on the basis ?Wikipedia is not only false but also useless and laughable. ![]() Moreover, the testimonies of the Ososo people themselves (and all these other Edo people) make it clear that they aren't Yorubas but Edos. These peoples clearly identified "Yoruba" as separate and distinct from themselves. Listen again: "Ososo people say their [ancestors'] houses [were] burnt by Yoruba [during the Ibadan raids of Benin Kingdom]". Reference: See attachment.
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Edeyoung:Thanks for admitting that what you've been saying is nothing but conflicting mouth-to-mouth regurgitation of Edo blogs' super-stories [NOT history] for the purpose of sensationlism aimed at gullible Edo audience. To correct you, I don't have what you called "your version". Unlike is is usual with you, History is not to be made up in the mind of individuals. As far as History is concerned (from an objective and academic point of view), Ogedengbe was going about raiding and sacking territories to capture slaves for domestic purposes, to forcefully enlist them into his ranks, and to sell some abroad obviously. The Edos he captured were just another unfortunate victims of his different incursions. For him, there is nothing peculiar about Benin Kingdom. It's just another potential unfortunate territory just like others. |
Edeyoung:Keep searching! Hopefully someday (when you grow up) you would find one evidence which says he was stopped, or killed, or captured by the Edos/Binis. ![]() Thank you for providing "evidence" that Ogedengbe raided Benin Kingdom for ?months. |
Edeyoung:(1) For your statement to be perceived as sane, you will have to show that he intended to capture Benin City and not simply Edo/Bini slaves. More like Oyo warriors capturing Hausa slaves and then a ret@rded Hausa internet warrior says: WeLl, tHe OyO wArrIorS DiDn'T cApTuRe aNyOne fRoM KaNo. Hello, Hausa slaves is want they want and that could be from any Hausa kingdom, they didn't set out for kAnO. Gosh! I wonder what the military of Benin Kingdom in charge of those parts of their Kingdom were busy doing while he slave-raided for ?months before returning. (2) Even after several plea and begging for evidence to substantiate this statement, you still couldn't produce any -- not one line of statement. Even your disgraceful allusion to an Edo blog didn't support you. (3) Oh he wasn't killed in an engagement anymore. ![]() He was only captured and then released to let go and die later. ![]() Interesting shameless Benin spin. But you have to make up your mind though But in any case, I am waiting for the evidence for this latest spin. |
Edeyoung:If you had any concrete reply to what you just quoted, you would definitely have presented it instead of the super-story you typed here. More like being defensive and projecting your very own insecurity and flaws on your interlocutor. ![]() |
Edeyoung:It doesn't matter who Edo-world blog claimed to get any super-story from. The point is Edo-world blog is a non-authoritative amateurish source for layperson like yourself. To any sane serious person, such doesn't constitute historical evidence by any stretch of the imagination. The so-called writers/admin of the blog are mere lay-persons and dullards like yourself who writes sensationally for specific audience and then attribute the statement to be from an interview with God, or Oba of Lagos, et al. ![]() |
Edeyoung:Oh you just admitted that Ogedengbe captured Edos as slaves from your Benin Kingdom. But your joy is that he did not wipe off the whole kingdom including the capital. ![]() Well, may be you should read out to everyone what Ogedengbe's military mission/agenda document says about his original intended destination -- The capital of Benin Kingdom? No, his mission was to capture non-Yoruba slaves with his specific target at that point being Edos -- Benin Kingdom. Benin Kingdom's military failed to stop him from enslaving their people. Still waiting on your evidence of his death at the hands of the Edos who he enslaved and tortured. |
Edeyoung: Did you just post a screenshot from an Edo blog and passed it off as academic evidence?? OMG! rotflmao! ![]() Anyways, that's all you could afford -- Edo blogs from where you all regurgitate super-stories into each others' mouths. If you had an academic evidence (such as a peer-reviewed academic journal article, etc.) I am 100000000% certain that you would have presented it. Such statements is no more than super story. No substantiation whatsoever. What remains affirmed as fact is that Ogedengbe raided in Benin Kingdom capturing many Edo as slaves. Moreover, even your Edo blog is yet to support your imagination that Edos killed Ogedengbe. ![]() |
Edeyoung:Yes Ogedengbe raided in Benin Kingdom capturing many of your people as slaves. I am still waiting for your evidence that he was killed by the Benin people after enslaving and torturing them. ![]() |
Edeyoung:(1) Now Ogedengbe of Ilesa is a thug because he raided Benin Kingdom and took captive of your people. ![]() Anyways, if there was any evidence that a single Edo finger was raised against him (let alone kill him) I'm sure you would not have hesitated to share such evidence. ![]() The only evidence available in academia, however, remains the fact that Ogedengbe descended against Benin Kingdom and took many captives. (2) Aje of Ibadan raided the Edo settlements. The people he raided are from: Ososo, Osi, Ebune, Ugbosi, Ibillo, Ekor, Ekpesa, Lankpese, Ibiekuma, Ekpe, and many others. Your brothers like davidnazee have surrendered their lie and with shame admitted these are all Edos. The people themselves (according to their own testimony as stated in Bradbury's account attached below) shows clearly that they are Edos, and that the Yorubas are a different people. See link for a reminder of where you fled from. https://www.nairaland.com/5846948/benin-yoruba-speaking-empire/9#90343032
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BabaRamota1980:Lol. Noted! |
BabaRamota1980:The attachment shows also that even 25 years old women used to go about the streets n@ked. So, it's not peculiar to the men, princes and nobles of their palace. It's simply a Benin default for both women and men to go about stark n@ked. Clothing was the exception. |
ayoola27:(1) Regarding your reference to "the palace" in the so-called "other attachment", the author (Thornton) himself made it clear that he was unsure if those so-called "Yorubas" were indeed Yorubas ethnically (e.g. the Oyos, etc.) or merely some people from a different ethnic group who have only adopted the Yoruba language (e.g. some Baribas, etc.). (2) The statement about Yoruba language being the lingua-franca of the whole Benin Kingdom is separate and distinct from the above scenario. The fact that Benin Kingdom used Yoruba language as lingua-franca is attested by the French missionary father's documentation at Benin in the 1600s. This has been cited again and again ad-nauseum. In fact, your so-called "other attachment" which you alluded to also cites the French missionary father's work on the historical fact that Benin Kingdom and others used Yoruba language as lingua-franca. Check the last bottom lines of your so-called "other attachment" (in the 3rd attachment below). Cheers! cc: Amujale
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ayoola27:I know you can see its name at its top. |
Edeyoung: Edeyoung:You see, remorseless unrepentant liars like you (who lie through their teeth like you do) are the reason why I expose Benin Kingdom to the whole world. Wait! What difference does it make if "children" are not allowed to wear clothes in your Kingdom until when your Yoruba neigbours "forced" you into civility?? ![]() Moreover, your spinning on "children" is totally irresponsible and unfortunate. It's a great lie. The truth is that in Benin Kingdom, men and women are expected to roam the street stark n@ked. N@kedness was the Benin default. Clothing was the exception to the rule. Quoting from the attached documentation, we read: "... according to Dapper, "No man is allowed to wear any dress at all at court ... There are men at the King's court, twenty and twenty-four years old who without any semblance of shame go about naked, only wearing a chain of corals or jasper round their neck." We also read from the same attachment as follows: "Likewise, the women are not allowed to wear clothes ... So you can see there, women of twenty and twenty-five years going along the streets perfectly nude without showing any shame." In sum: In Benin kingdom, for both men and women, n@kedness was clearly the default, while clothing was the exception. Thanks to the Ijebus. Thanks to the Yorubas. Stop the lies! cc: BabaRamota1980
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Edeyoung:(1) No sorry! But I understand how this makes you feel though . You brought this upon yourself. Lol.Anyways, Ososo, Osi, Ebune, Ugbosi, Ibillo, Ekor, Ekpesa, Lankpese, Ibiekuma, Ekpe, and many others are all Edos in Benin Kingdom. In fact, one of your brothers here, davidnazee has already admitted that all these are Edos. So, don't worry about your damage control. It's not useful. Guess what! Sane people don't even need you or davidnaze to know that these are Edos. The testimony of the people themselves make it clear that they weren't Yorubas but Edos. Listen again: "Ososo people say their [ancestors'] houses [were] burnt by Yoruba [during the Ibadan raids of Benin Kingdom]". Listen again: It was a raid, not a conquest to dwell amidst them. The objective of such raid is simple. It is to capture these Binis and keep them as domestic slaves or sell them overseas. (2) This is not the Ogedengbe Ilesa raid on Benin Kingdom. No, this is the Aje Ibadan raid on Benin Kingdom. Two different raids and rape of Benin Kingdom by the Yorubas. And I am waiting for any academic piece which says Ogedengbe was killed by the Binis whom he raided and tortured. ![]() cc: BabaRamota1980
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MetaPhysical:He is such a joke about his claim on Ogboni. And you're correct, brother, about the Ijebus' "shoulder drape". It is called "Shàkì". It is used by the awos as part of their regalia. I'm quite ?certain that it is unique to the Ijebus' awos (Ijebu's Ogboni, etc.) -- at least from what I know of their regalia. I am more acquainted (first hand) with the practices found among the Ijebu communities of Lagos particularly. And by the way, the Ogboni group is known among Ijebus (of both Lagos and Ogun) by the alternative name: "Òshùgbó". The origin of Ogboni is well embedded even in the salutations/greetings of the Oshugbos (Ogbonis). An Oshugbo (Ogboni) member greets another memeber by saying: "Oshugbo re agbalagba Ufe" [roughly translates: "Behold Oshugbo -- the elder-sage of Ife"]. And the member replies saying: "Ogbo-Ato" [roughly translates: "May you live long with sound health"]. In the Ogboni's greeting, it is super clear that its origin is clearly acknowledged to be Ife. This is universal! |
Edeyoung:Even as at the late-1890s/early-1900s, Binis were still largely roaming the streets st@rk n@ked. European accounts document all these details. See attached. I hope this helps kill your bigotry. Thanks to the Ijebus who brought you all clothes in unprecedentedly large quantities. cc: MetaPhysical, Olu317
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gregyboy:Did you finally find the white man who made-up Ekaladerhan to deceive gullible Binis? /s ![]() Because we all know (including you) that Ekaladerhan is a made-up joke. /s See reminder below:
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davidnazee:I hope you find peace soon and also escape the obvious strong deadly grip of inferiority complex. ![]() See attached! cc: MetaPhysical
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davidnazee:You talk too much. ![]() See attached from Professor R. E. Bradbury himself. The most authoritative historian of all time on Benin History. Certainly before the Nupe army conquered many territories of Benin Kingdom, an Ibadan military commander, named Aje, had led Ibadan forces to slave-raid Benin Kingdom. He sacked many settlements in Benin Kingdom. Bradbury suggested that the Ibadan raids may have also continued even after the Nupe invasion of Benin Kingdom. Reference: R. E. Bradbury, The Benin Kingdom and the Edo-Speaking Peoples of South-Western Nigeria, p.112. cc: Metaphysical
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In addition to the foregoing, I randomly stumbled accross the attached just now, so I thought I should put it out here. cc: RuggedSniper
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Edeyoung:I like to inform you that at that link, I have alluded to the historical fact of how Ibadan sigle-handedly raided Benin Kingdom for slaves and also sacked many territories of Benin Kingdom. I hope this helps kill your bigotry! Note: The attached is a page from the late R.E. Bradbury -- the foremost authority on Benin Kingdom.
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Edeyoung:I have responded to this link there where I alluded to the historical fact (also attached evidence) of how Ibadan raided Benin Kingdom for slaves and sacked many territories of Benin Kingdom. |
Edeyoung:Your questions (regardless of how many they are) has zero power to erase the clear content of the report. If you may also ask: How did many European countries gradually dis-adopt Latin as lingua-franca and re-focused on their own indigenous languages? Questions like this wouldn't alter (even slightly) any historical fact about its former adoption. The content of the report therefore remains unchanged. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- (1) The Report: The language/lingua-franca of Benin is the Yoruba language. (2) Edeyoung: The report says that the language/lingua-franca of Itsekiri, Ijebu, and some places outside Benin is the Yoruba language. ![]() ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- No, the report doesn't say 2 anywhere. ![]() For all sane persons with zero inferiority complex, the report says 1 plainly. ![]() Anyways, you may continue to hold on to your plain opposite if you think it helps you sleep at night (especially during these tough times). ![]() I can't force you into sanity. Neither can I force sanity. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Having said that, I like to remind you that Ibadan for many, many years raided Benin Kingdom for slaves while sacking many territories of Benin Kingdom. This is also an entirely different scenario from how Benin City was at the mercy of Ogedengbe Agbogungboro of Ilesa. ![]() I hope this helps kill your bigotry! |
Whenever you all feel obligated to be a bigot, let it sink in you all that: Ibadan raided Benin Kingdom for slaves. Ibadan sacked many settlements in Benin Kingdom. This is not to mention how Benin City itself was at the mercy of Ogedengbe.
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Edeyoung:Lol ... (1) The Report: The language/lingua-franca of Benin is the Yoruba language. (2) Edeyoung: The report says that the language/lingua-franca of Itsekiri and Ijebu is the Yoruba language. No, the report doesn't say 2 anywhere. For all sane persons with zero inferiority complex, the report says 1 plainly. ![]() Anyways, you may continue to hold on to your plain opposite if you think it helps you sleep at night (especially during these tough times). ![]() I can't force you into sanity. Neither can I force sanity into you. No, I can't.
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Edeyoung:https://www.nairaland.com/5761595/benin-kingdom-edo-state-remained/49#90245051 |
Edeyoung:Yes lucumies are distinct people from Binis. I'm surprised you're just realizing that. But that's even only one aspect of the whole thing.The issue here, however, is about the lingua-franca of BENIN Kingdom being the language of the lucumies. The documentation does not talk about the language of the "areas surrounding Benin" ... lol ... neither does it talk about the language of the "Itsekiri" ... lol... nor does it talk about the language of the Ijebu ...lol. It clearly refers specifically to the language (lingua-franca) of Benin Kingdom being the Yorubas' language. See the attachments once again for a reminder. ![]()
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. You brought this upon yourself. Lol.