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Edeyoung:
It never said it was spoken in the benin palace or by benins ...

Lol ... You talk too much!

(1) "THEIR language" (i.e. the language of "the people" of Benin Kingdom) is Lucumin language.

Strangely, this to you means the language of some anonymous non-Bini minorities. Lol.

(2) Learn the meaning of "lingua-franca" and consider the attached page I earlier mentioned.



I 'pray' that God will someday direct you to an accptable face-save excuse.

Edeyoung:
Your brothers are asking for the refrence book were it was written benin spoke Yoruba in the palace

Lol. I'm not sure why you're so interested on his behalf.

The reference and quote is as I have typed into the attachment shown below.

Moreover, this same reference to the French Father's 1640 account (of the use of Yoruba language as Benin Kingdom's lingua-franca) is also cited by Professor R.C.C. Law on page 209 of his "Ethnicity and the Slave Trade".

Cheers!

davidnazee:
Your obsession with Benin is a sickness for you.. you are still trying to prove your foolish theories..

It seems we've finally found the Nobody!

And I'm obsessed with busting Bini lies.

Cheers!

Nobody
Yoruba love to insert themselves on other people's history and hijack other people's history because Yoruba have no history of their own.

Indeed, only a "Nobody" will type such gibberish as the above.

davidnazee:
Yoruba slaves hired as palace staff, stop confusing yourself.. I told you earlier, it is easier to punish a foreigner than a citizen.. That is the reason Yorubas were hired to work in the palace. And it is known world over that Kings always hire foreigners with no affiliations to anyone to work in the palace administration..

Yes, Benin may have indeed enslaved captives from some minority Yoruba-speaking frontier settlements such as some Bariba people, et al.

Although, these are people who also have adopted Yoruba as their language, they are clearly not Yoruba people ethnically speaking.

They are certainly not Yoruba people per se. And even your own attachment with its probabilistic statement also admits that.

However, the Ibadan (all the way from the Yoruba interior) came to raid Benin Kingdom for slaves for a long time. (see 2nd attachment for a fresh reminder).

Having countered that, you are yet to explain how these "same slaves" were so influential that they imposed their Yoruba language (on their Edo subjects) as the lingua-franca for the whole of Benin Kingdom.

Also, you are still yet to explain how these "same slaves" managed to be the ones running the administrative affairs of Benin Kingdom.

#InfluentialImaginarySlaves

Obalufon:
kill yourself you are not even from royal house they dont even know you exist ..i don't even know where your hatred for yoruba came from .. i know you are ibo man or you are half ibo ...

cc: gregyboy

The word "Oba" does not exist till date in Edo lexicon.

Their later use of the word "Oba" is a loanterm from the Yoruba lexicon.

This word "Oba" which they've since borrowed from Yoruba is still giving them etymological headache till date.

Although unrelated, see an interesting attachment below with red-line emphasis.

gregyboy:
Go sleep copy copy people


[s]Your kings were adressed as sir by the British until the 70s it was later changed to oba to give it
A worldwide recognition

Before 1970
Ooni of ife sir Adeyeye adeyemi ogunwusmi....


After 1970

Oon of ife, oba Adeyeye Adeyemi



Copy copy


See thier ooni shameless tribe they even wear the benin red coral beads and abandoned thiers[/s]

(1) The use of "Oba" precedes the use of "Sir" for Oba Adesoji Aderemi.

"Sir" came to be added to his designation upon his election as the Governor of Western Nigeria.

"Oba" is indigenous to the Yoruba lexicon. "Oba" is not found in the Edo lexicon till date.

(2) The Yorubas have been manufacturing and using beads several centuries before beads were first introduced to the Binis at the tail end of the 1400s by the Portuguese.

(3) Lastly, the "Ida", "Ada", or "Agada" is widely used all over Yoruba Kingdoms as part of the Kingdom's official emblems originally despatched from Ile-Ife.

In fact, your attachment proves my point by stating that the use of the "Ada" in Benin Kingdom was introduced by Ogiso Ere --- who was the 2nd Ogiso of Igodomigodo.

See attachment below for evidence that Ogiso Ere (the 2nd Ogiso) was a Yoruba who was originally sent to Igodomigodo as an emissary from Ife.

cc: geosegun, Olu317

geosegun:
@TAO12, you badts gan ni o. easy on @gregyboy o, pleasssssss . I beg, no vex again. you don win. Please naaaaaa

Lol. I'm only using him for entertainment as always.

gregyboy:
Yoruba is one of benin achievements in africa....

Evidence please! 

Don't give the same excuse you've been repeating that shebi I already know you're an illiterate with nothing to cite from.

gregyboy:
Nigga first edition...........

Go find the first edition not the revised version mumu we have five subsequent revision of his book history of yoruba and the original ones differed from the subsequent

The original copy never used the word oba
Mugu.....

Replying you is a waste of effort

If you aint bringing what i want no further replies from me to you

Listen up, dumb Bini illiterate, there is only one edition of S. Johnson's "The History of The Yorubas" since its completion and publication in 1897 and 1921 respectively.

What you have subsequently are "reprints" in 1937, 1956, 1957, 1960, etc.

As the bona-fide illiterate that you are, I perfectly understand your failure to grasp the difference between "editions" and "reprints".

For your information, "reprints" are made to rectify errata and corrigenda in a published work.

Anyways, see the link below for the digital version of the raw text of "The History of the Yorubas".

http://archive.org/stream/historyofyorubas00john/historyofyorubas00john_djvu.txt

Again, you are a sour loser and an unfortunate liar who has just been disgraced again as always.

I won't stop disgracing you and your 2by2 Kingdom until you stop lying.

cc: lawani

davidnazee:
No.. Edo was the original language spoken in Ife..

Evidence please!

Don't give the same excuse you've been repeating that shebi I already know you're an illiterate with nothing to cite from.

[quote author=gregyboy post=89722622][/quote]Ruthless Ibadan. Go baby! Go baby!!

lawani:
this is not about claiming anything. It is about relating true history. Igodomigodo was edo but Benin empire was Yoruba. Nowadays Benin kingdom is now edo.

Don't be deceived by him. Someone like him who lies to himself will have no problem lying to others.

The Yufi described by Ibn Battuta has two faces.

(a) One face, in the south-eastern part of Africa, is now identified as Zimbabwe.

(b) The main face of Yufi --- that is, the western face (which was in contact with Mali) is no other than Ile-Ife.

(c) This western face used to be thought to be Nupe. But that thought has now been found, by scholars, to be based on an assumption of conflation of Arabic "y" and "n".

See Sutton's final conclusion below.

gregyboy:
Untill our oba made those political remark of coming from ife, even yorubas never knew of it because it never existed ,

Eweka made those statements for political homogeneity between edo and Yoruba people for Political reasons out of minority fear soon we realized we were still marginalized after still claiming ancestory to yorubas we decided to pull out

(1) Eweka II ruled from 1914, and died in 1933.

(2) There was nothing like the Old Western Region until the year 1967 when it was first formed.

(3) So, your wEsTeRn ReGiOn/pOliTiCaL rEaSon excuse drops dead right before your very eyes.

You have to come up with another lie. Yes you can do this. Remeber you're a Bini.

cc: lawani

gregyboy:
Lol, even when samuel johson wrote in 1897 he never use the word Oba in his publications in the history of yorubas published in 1921

gregyboy:
... Do you know more than samuel johson,

When samuel johson wrote he never used the word Oba ...

Several example of the use of the word "Oba" in relation to Yoruba monarchs of Oyo particularly is found in S. Johnson's "The History of the Yorubas".

Here are few examples quoted directly word-for-word from the same book:

(a) "Several points of similarity may be noted between the ALAFIN and his Basorun. The ALAFIN is Oba ("a king"), he is Iba ("a lord" )."

(b) "From this incident, King ABIPA was nick-named Oba M'oro ("the King who caught ghosts" )."

(c) "And this has passed into proverb, "Oku dede ki a ko iwi wo Akesan, Oba, Jayin te ori gba aso". ("At the approach to Akesan of a company of chanting Eguguns, King JAYIN buried his head in a shroud." ) Used of one who anticipates the inevitable."

(d) "Oaths were no more taken in the name of the gods, who were now considered too lenient and indifferent; but rather in the name of the King [i.e. King AOLE himself] who was more dreaded. "Ida Oba ni yio je mi" ("may the King's sword destroy me" ) was the new form of oath!"

Reference:
Samuel Johnson, "The History of the Yorubas". Completed 1897. Published 1921. p.71, p.166, p.171, and p.188 respectively.

The 2by2 Benin Kingdom obviously needs deranged liars like gregyboy.

Stop lying and I'd stop disgracing you all and your 2by2 kingdom.

cc: lawani

davidnazee:
You Yorubas are actually very shallow minded.. You guys really have slave mentality.. You sound like "house niggers" (those slaves employed to work in home administration rather than cotton fields. They always felt they were better than other slaves). So working in Benin palace which was the greatest palace in the world for your guys was an achievement. Benin Empire's ministers where Edos, army officials were Edos, administrators sent to administer conquered territories where Edos, jugdes Edos, the Oba's council were Edos.. The work of the Yorubas slaves in the palace was, gardeners, cleaners, gatemen, houseboys and house girls.. so far they had these jobs in the great Benin palace was a boost for their weak ego.

Anyways please go read about why Yoruba were employed in the palace.. you will find it was because it is easy to punish them, behead them for any offence because they are foreigners and nobody will ask questions unlike if they were Edos then they cannot be treated unjustly..
so keep celebrating your weakness..

"Slaves" were running the administrative affairs of Benin Kingdom

In fact, same "slaves" were so influential that they imposed their Yoruba language (on their Edo subjects) as the Kingdom's lingua-franca.

#InfluentialImaginarySlaves

davidnazee:
Don’t lie to yourselves. There’s no Yoruba language influence anywhere in Benin or the capital. The only people that spoke Yoruba in the palace where the Yoruba slaves working in the palace.

The supposed "Yoruba slaves" were at the helm of administration of Benin Kingdom from the palace.

Speaks so much about the Edo subjects whom these "slaves" ruled over and conquered.




Sounds more like: Yoruba language was employed by Yoruba slaves "in the palace administration of Benin Kingdom" over their Edo subjects.

davidnazee:
If we have to rate self deceivers, you will be leading TAO12 by far.

dvmmie-nazee, aka self-inflicted confusion galore, is back again.

Listen, you can say whatever you've been dictated to say by the voices in your head, what you should desist from, however, is to give to me (or any Yoruba for that matter) an attribute which exclusively belongs to Benin people --- that is, self-deceit.

lawani:
there were many indigenous people in the empire who had their languages among which is edo. Edo was the language of the Benin suburbs but Yoruba in the old empire outnumber the edo.

Got it!

* But can you direct me to any reputable and redoubtable evidence or proof which states that the land which came to be known as Benin Kingdom was originally and indigenously Yoruba-speaking?? *

However, the evidence available to me is to the effect that the land which came to be known as Benin Kingdom is originally and indigenously Edo-speaking.

Yes, some few settlements in its Western frontier is originally and indigenously Yoruba-speaking for obvious reasons.

But the said influence of Yoruba language in the capital city and the palace only began later due to the foreign root (i.e. Yoruba) of its government.

lawani:
that is my point in my other post Benin was a Yoruba empire.

Yeah in a way. But I would personally not say it is a Yoruba Empire.

The general people of the kingdom are a different ethno-linguistic stock --- Edo.

It is only their government who traces its strict paternal genealogical origin to Ifẹ̀-Yoruba.

Some examples of the similitude to the foregoing scenario are as follows:

I won't regard the Ìjẹ̀búÒde-Yoruba Kingdom as an Ifẹ̀ Kingdom (even though it was founded by an Ifẹ̀ prince --- Ogborogan aka Obanta).

I won't regard the Iléṣà-Yoruba Kingdom as an Ifẹ̀ Kingdom (even though it was founded by an Ifẹ̀ prince --- Ajibogun aka Obokun).

I won't regard the Ọ̀wọ̀-Yoruba Kingdom as an Ifẹ̀ Kingdom (even though it was founded by an Ifẹ̀ prince --- Ojugbelu and his son Imade).

I won't regard the AdóÈkìtì-Yoruba Kingdom as an Ifẹ̀ Kingdom (even though it was founded by an Ifẹ̀ prince --- Awamaro).

I won't regard the ÒdeÒndó-Yoruba Kingdom as an Ifẹ̀ Kingdom (even though it was founded by an Ifẹ̀ prince --- Osemowe).

All these (and countless other Yoruba Kingdoms founded by Ifẹ̀ princes) are self-contained Yoruba Kingdoms in their own right, despite their government been originally from Ifẹ̀ (although the general populace being ethno-linguistically Yoruba in these cases).

Adopting this line of reasoning, it then becomes clear that the Benin Kingdom (whose general populace are not even Yoruba to begin with) is also a self-contained Edo Kingdom (arguably Empire) in its own right, despite their government been foreign --- i.e. originally from Ifẹ̀-Yoruba.

The use of Yoruba language in Benin Kingdom particularly is therefore simply due to at least two factors, (1) it is the original language of the ruling dynasty in the Kingdom, and (2) it is the language of the then most influential ethnic group on the West Africa coast.

Olu317:
AreaFada2,

I had thought you will come online to counter the information before you on the Empire of Yoruba called OYo, but you didn't.And based on this, ,come defend yourself that Yoruba was not spoken in Bini land as a Bini Court language known as Lucomi ( Yoruba language)as Latin is to Europe which was an account in 1634-1640 by Father Culumbi Nantes from France. So, come defend yourself against the lies you have peddled that Oyo was also not an Empire! Even Yoruba language was spoken in Binu land with evidence from the above research work posted/ screenshot by TAO12.

I am waiting, laughing at your likes that are revisionism over relationship between Yoruba's establishment and her civilization in Bini land.Thus, I want to read from you because, I am enjoying these posts while there is ample evidence that's debunking of Oviedo lies before the whole world and your apologists, who don't know the truth.

Lol.

Not only was Yoruba language the lingua franca in Benin Kingdom (as well as in many West African Kingdoms, e.g. Allada), the language of administration in the palace of Benin Kingdom was Yoruba language.

See attachment below from:

R.C.C. Law's "Ethnicity and the Slave Trade: "Lucumi" and "Nago" as Ethnonyms in West Africa", History in Africa, Vol. 24 (1997), p.209.

davidnazee:
Yes when I’m chatting with TAO12.. not for u.

His Royal Cluelessness returned with more cluelessness and self-inflicted confusion.

davidnazee:
Bye... no be me you wan use increase posts for this yeye topic.

Perhaps His Royal Cluelessness finally realized his loud and grand cluelessness and contradiction and then fled in shame.

Perhaps!

davidnazee:
Because I’m not interested in your Kingdom? Actually nobody is interested in your Kingdom. We all know which kingdom has everybody’s interests..

This particular dummy's cluelessness and contradiction is alarmingly typical.

gregyboy:
Johnson as an oyo and the earliest writter who wrote at as early as 1820 from different oral account ...

This leads more to my point that yorubas here disprove, that oba eweka said what he had to say for political reasons out of minority complex in the old western region.

Anyone who thinks you are normal is not normal.

(1) S. Johnson was born in 1846.

But gayboy (aka gregyboy) insists that same Johnson was writting Yoruba histories in the year 1820 --- that is, more than 20 years before his own birth.

Should gayboy (aka gregyboy) still be allowed to freely roam the streets?

(2) Oba Eweka II of Benin Kingdom ruled from 1914 until his death in 1933.

Old Western Region of Nigeria was established in the year 1967.

But gayboy (aka gregyboy) insists that same Oba Eweka time-travelled into the future to become a member of the Nigeria Western Region.

Should gayboy (aka gregyboy) still be allowed to freely roam the streets?

(3) Fun Fact:

Same Oba Eweka II of Benin Kingdom informed an European visitor, H.L. Ward-Price, sometimes in the 1920s that his (i.e. Oba Eweka II's) ancestor and lord lives in Ile-Ife.

gregyboy:
Am actually a dumb gayboy if you're looking for gays you can go to the search button on nairaland to find them.... You slut

Fixed!


A gayboy be advising on how to find his folks on Nairaland.

Closet gayboys like you often try too hard to give the false impression of being straight.

For example, they follow girls exclusively and excessively on social-media to divert attention and ward-off suspicion.

For example, see attachment below.

gregyboy:
I am my dog's slut

Fixed!

gregyboy:
I will still rather die than let my dog Bleep you

I have no problem with you committing suicide if you insist.

Afterall, the STDs you contracted from your dog will still kill you las las.

gregyboy:
Worthless pussy

Worthless gay.

gregyboy:
Fake laugh.... Beneath the meme there is a flood of tears unseen

Yes, I always cry after exposing you to be a clueless dvmmy.