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TenQ:
That's up to you to decide who else you are related to!

You seem to be at war with everyone.

MaxInDHouse:
HUMILITY is a topic on it's own that you still need to learn what it means or entails!

Though i never wanted to go this far with you but who knows maybe someone is following silently? Such a person may learn one or two things from our discussion!

Now let me enlighten you about HUMILITY:

When someone is said to be humble it doesn't mean he have to agree with everyone that comes his way otherwise he can't stand for any faith, he will accept every wind of teaching.
So what is or how do we qualify HUMILITY?

There will always be different religious sects claiming they know God until Jesus comes to exterminate all those practicing falsehood {Matthew 25:41-46} then humble people will never claim they know anything rather they will thoroughly meditate on what different sects are saying {Act 17:11} and go for where righteousness is WORKING out what is fine! 1Thessalonians 5:21 compare to James 2:18-26

So it's HUMILITY that will help such a person to accept help from those who knows better than he does.

You have proved to be empty because what i needed you don't have, everyone knows that there is contradictions everywhere regarding the knowledge of God so if you have the spirit of God it's not by adding to the contradictions rather PRESENTING the group of people practicing pure worship so that i can look out for the FRUIT Jesus talked about in their gathering! Matthew 7:16-18

May you have PEACE!

I love how you diverted when faced with the truth. I just other members of your church are more honest than you and are not afraid of the word of God.
You continue to claim a sense of superiority but when you are faced with the scriptures you get confused.
Let me give you instances.
1. You are yet to show are verse that claims angels are God's sons
2. You again claimed God did not reveal Jesus to Peter when that is exactly what the Bible says
3. You continue to claim that man and animals have the same spirit when even the verse you quoted does not say so.
I actually wonder what you aim to achieve online if you are not comfortable with your beliefs being tred against the word of God.
You claim to be the only non political church, I showed you that you are not even the first.
You claim to be the only ones following the teachings of Christ but it can't be true since you at more than 1 time made Jesus a liar and misrepresented and misquoted scriptures.
I only hope that othere from your church would present themselves better.

TenQ:
Love for one another!
Following the teachings of Christ as disciples

Not following what "some people" (eg. some old white men in a city) said to us

OK good we could build a thread on this latter and have a serious discussion

TenQ:
Let's assume jesusjnr2020 and TenQ differ in some few things, is that a proof that JW are correct?
Ignorant people will dogmatically see it as a proof.

Jehovah's witnesses, Mormon, Christian Science, Christadelphians, Armstrongism, Oneness Pentecostals, Unification Church are ALL birds of the same Feather! The only difference they have with the JWs is that they make less NOISE!

How do we identify the children of God or the true church?

MaxInDHouse:
The spirit only help those who have been taught by the BORN AGAIN brothers of Christ to remember what they've learned but as for TEACHING directly regarding the sacred secrets in God's word that one belongs only to the CHOSEN.
So the Holy Spirit is directly TEACHING them while they are TEACHING us then the Holy Spirit only reminds us after we have accepted what they learned from the same Spirit!

Good for you, You claim that I am not humble because I don't agree with you. You have also said that you lack the spirit yet you want me to believe the words of one who lacks the spirit of God. I have the spirit of God you should be listening to me. Clearly, you need to humble yourself as you have shown from your words, you lack authority and you depend on those of us that have God's spirit.

MaxInDHouse:
God's word is not for everyone to read and understand. That's just the bitter truth!

But while we are humble and considering righteousness {Zephaniah 2:2-3} we will be able to notice those whom God has chosen to TEACH others and we will hold tight to their interpretation of God's word! Zechariah 8:23

That's why Jesus told his first century Jewish disciples that they are to go TEACHING people what is WRITTEN in God's word. Matthew 28:20
If it's everyone that can just pick it up, read and understand. The Ethiopian eunuch wouldn't have begged Philip to guide him.
Remember the Ethiopian eunuch had his own copy of the scriptures and it was from his own copy that he was reading aloud! Act 8:30-35

That's why Jesus said:

Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth. Matthew 5:5

Because it takes great meekness (humility) to accept that someone knows better than you do and humbly request for his/her help.

From our discussion since do you think i sat with the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses so that they're telling me what or where to quote?

Well once someone humbly accept their help Jesus will send God's active force to start helping such a person so that he could confidently defend his beliefs using the scriptures with efficacy! Matthew 10:19-20

They have prayed with me so the spirit of their God is working with me now even when i'm not a BORN AGAIN like them! Act 6:6

May you have PEACE!

now you are beginning to get smart with your answers. Cool. The word of God is for everyone to read and believe.

John 20:31
but these have been written so that you may believe [with a deep, abiding trust] that Jesus is the Christ (the Messiah, the Anointed), the Son of God; and that.
Now you claim that the spirit of God is with you. first you said only the selected few in your group have the spirit. which do we take.

TenQ:
Let's assume jesusjnr2020 and TenQ differ in some few things, is that a proof that JW are correct?
Ignorant people will dogmatically see it as a proof.

Jehovah's witnesses, Mormon, Christian Science, Christadelphians, Armstrongism, Oneness Pentecostals, Unification Church are ALL birds of the same Feather! The only difference they have with the JWs is that they make less NOISE!

how about Pentecostals, Catholics, Adventists, Baptist,s and the rest?

MaxInDHouse:
Just humble yourself and learn!

God is not partial to have revealed something to Peter and neglect other children of Abraham in the same nation.
It's the pure heart that helped Peter to reason well that based on the information they've been gathering regarding the Christ and what this young man is doing definitely he must be the Christ!

Who is responsible for pureness in man's heart?
Who inspired the writers to pen down prophecies about the Christ?
Who has been helping Jesus to perform all the fine works?

If you say "God" then it's the spirit of that God that has helped Peter not that God partially revealed something to Peter whereas there are millions of Jews back then in the first century.

Remember the same Peter few minutes later turned out to reason from the perspective of a fleshy creature, the same Jesus called Peter "Satan" Matthew 16:21-23

So how many spirit is revealing things to Peter?
Or between God's Spirit and Satan's Spirit, which one is controlling Peter?

The word of God says The Father revealed it to Peter but JW says Peter reasoned it out in his heart. Do you blame me for choosing the word of God instead of the word of JW?

buragoz:
To be honest, I've always been intimidated by questions about death in Scripture. On the one hand, I didn't want to know anything about it at all, but on the other hand, I wanted to learn as much as I could to dispel my fear. Has anyone else experienced something similar? I study a lot of Scripture, and I'm curious about [color=#000000]What is the meaning of John 16:33[/color], but the issue of death is still quite unclear to me. I'm not sure that my perception of the meaning of what is written isn't distorted by the modern understanding of many words and meanings, so I am studying many interpretations to get closer to the meaning.

I believe it's the savior telling his followers that they should not fear. he has overcome all for us including death

MaxInDHouse:
Just humble yourself and learn!

God is not partial to have revealed something to Peter and neglect other children of Abraham in the same nation.
It's the pure heart that helped Peter to reason well that based on the information they've been gathering regarding the Christ and what this young man is doing definitely he must be the Christ!

Who is responsible for pureness in man's heart?
Who inspired the writers to pen down prophecies about the Christ?
Who has been helping Jesus to perform all the fine works?

If you say "God" then it's the spirit of that God that has helped Peter not that God partially revealed something to Peter whereas there are millions of Jews back then in the first century.

Remember the same Peter few minutes later turned out to reason from the perspective of a fleshy creature, the same Jesus called Peter "Satan" Matthew 16:21-23

So how many spirit is revealing things to Peter?
Or between God's Spirit and Satan's Spirit, which one is controlling Peter?

Nice logic... But still, you make Jesus a lier. He said flesh and blood have not revealed this to you. If peter had reasoned it within his heart the obviously, flesh and blood revealed it to him.
Christ said the revelation came from the Father but you claim its fro his heart. Its begining to sound a little funny.

MaxInDHouse:
I don't really need any explanation from you!

Since you think God's word should be taken literally as God will pour His spirit on ALL PEOPLE, i already know your level of understanding all i just want to do is show you how confused you are. Because below are people like you who are saying JWs are wrong with the interpretation we got from the people we trusted as BORN AGAIN brothers of Christ.

Can you tell me from their conversation which one has God's Holy Spirit?
Or perhaps it's God's Holy Spirit that makes them to continue contradicting themselves?





According to the two comments above both commentators agreed that JWs are wrong, yet what is happening between them?



Well Jesus Christ said:

Whoever is not on my side is against me, and whoever does not gather with me SCATTERS! Luke 11:23

The SCATTERING doesn't mean they will not chant their usual slogan "Jesus is LORD" but they will never agree on the same line of thought like Jesus' true disciples! John 17:22

Honestly, I don't understand you. If we don't believe God's words who do we now believe.

HeyCorleone:
Lol I’m a guy.

Honestly I have more things to worry about than my kids smoking. More serious things.

The thing with us Nigerians is that we focus on low quality problems. Youth unemployment is at 50% if not worse and your main problem in life is that women are smoking. Can’t you see how funny you are?

enjoy

MaxInDHouse:
Did God chose only Peter when you said God will pour His spirit on all people?

I'm only telling you what Jesus meant because there are many things he said that even his first century followers never grasp instantly {John 16:12-13} but if you feel you understood him it's OK!

Did God chose only Peter when you said God will pour His spirit on all people What's your point with this.
Who revealed that Jesus was the son of God to Peter?

MaxInDHouse:
You asked a question and i answered then you said i am wrong so i concluded that you should be able to explain better.
So if what you quoted means God will pour His spirit on ALL PEOPLE then all the religions in the world must be approved after all God is the one who poured His spirit on ALL PEOPLE!

My friend, humility is not a possession of all kinds of people it's either you humble yourself to learn or you continue arguing with everyone over what you see!

What really do you want me to explain oga

MaxInDHouse:
Good!

So if you believe that God will pour his spirit on ALL PEOPLE then all the religions in the world are OK since it's God that pour His spirit on all people!

It's not about what I believe. It's about what God says. Acts 2:17
“'It shall be done in the last days, says God,' I shall pour out my Spirit on everybody, and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men.
You should be asking if it was God that promised his spirit to man or is it my personal opinion? The Lord promised to pour out his spirit to all men and you question him?
come who would you rather believe, The Lord God of your chosen leaders who have the spirit on your behalf?

MaxInDHouse:
Peter was just a Jew like the rest of the people so God did not select Peter to reveal anything rather it simply means Peter's heart was pure that's why he could grasp who Jesus is and accepted him as Lord!

You just keep making Jesus a liar. He said This was not revealed by flesh but by my father in heaven. Who do we believe, JW or Christ?

AdeOri99:
Is she beautiful

The babe fine

MaxInDHouse:
Peter hasn't been baptized by God's Holy Spirit by the time he said that, it was after Jesus' ascension that Peter and the others were anointed with God's Holy Spirit so what Jesus is saying there is that Peter's heart is pure that's why he could discern that Jesus is the Christ even when most people who heard Jesus' words were planning to kill Jesus!

That was not what Jesus was saying. what he said was clear enough. It was his father that revealed the truth to Peter. Jesus said nothing about Peter's heart or state of mind.. again, your personal addition.

jesusjnr2020:
How ironic! The same JW's that say Jesus is angel Micheal?

You should have at least pretended for a while to avoid unwarranted preconceptions.

That aside, it seems though it's only apostle Paul teachings that you have to justify your stance.

Well here's that of Jesus, who was His Master.

Matthew 26:41 (KJV)

Watch and pray, that ye enter not into temptation: the spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak.

Here's another one:

John 6:63 (KJV)

It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

So can you see some of the places I got my idea that a living soul which man is consists of just the flesh and the spirit?

Man's flesh came from the earth, while his spirit emanated from God, so where did his soul come from if it's not man's spirit? Smh!

100% True

MaxInDHouse:
You don't have to wish evil happen to me due to my faith.
So keep your question to yourself, if you have faith in God you should know that it's God that's protecting His loyal ones!

This is the smartest answer you have given so far. i don't wish you evil. It was a hypothetical question

MaxInDHouse:
My friend, Jesus said God's Holy Spirit will TEACH them {John 16:12-13} but they will be the ones TEACHING others {Matthew 28:19-20} and the evidence to ascertain that God's Holy Spirit is WORKING with them is that they will gather people from all races, teach them what the Holy Spirit taught, make them one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers, erase politics and racism from their hearts, teach them never to raise weapons against their fellowman and have nothing to do with military services! Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3 compare to John 17:20-23

This is the FRUIT we need to see to be certain that they are working for Jesus! Matthew 7:16-18

But if you want to continue investigating everything they say then it simply means you won't like Jesus if you lived in the first century because his followers who stick to him only trusted him not because they grasp everything he was teaching them back then! John 6:66-67

Your religion is quite interesting, you select specific people who are allowed to have God's spirit.
◄ Acts 2:17
“’ In the last days, God says, I will pour out my Spirit on all people. Your sons and daughters will prophesy, your young men will see visions, your old men will dream dreams.

1 Corinthians 14:5
“I would that ye all spake with tongues, but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying.”

Numbers 11:29
And Moses said unto him, “Enviest thou for my sake? Would God that all the Lord'S people were prophets, and that the Lord would put His Spirit upon them!”.

MaxInDHouse:
Please don't forget what you promised that you won't hurt someone due to his faith, i hope you're not having this thought now due to my FAITH!

I am not a thief or rapist. I thought you would get the question but since you don't, let me ask in a way you would understand.
What would you do if a thief or rapist broke into your home?

MaxInDHouse:
My friend, Jesus said God's Holy Spirit will TEACH them {John 16:12-13} but they will be the ones TEACHING others {Matthew 28:19-20} and the evidence to ascertain that God's Holy Spirit is WORKING with them is that they will gather people from all races, teach them what the Holy Spirit taught, make them one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers, erase politics and racism from their hearts, teach them never to raise weapons against their fellowman and have nothing to do with military services! Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3 compare to John 17:20-23

This is the FRUIT we need to see to be certain that they are working for Jesus! Matthew 7:16-18

But if you want to continue investigating everything they say then it simply means you won't like Jesus if you lived in the first century because his followers who stick to him only trusted him not because they grasp everything he was teaching them back then! John 6:66-67

You are wrong, His followers had the spirit of God to testify to their spirits. Matt 16.17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

MaxInDHouse:
Don't worry myself, just as you said "it's a free world" once i see a verse and someone explain to me all i need is meditate thoroughly on what i was taught.

The angels slept with the female humans and they gave birth to giants who were villains.
So i don't need someone to quote where the Bible must say it's angels because it has distinguished by saying "sons of God" and "daughters of men"

Enoch walked with God never made him the son of God because he's Adam's descendants born and inherited sin through Adam so he's part of those who have fallen short of the glory of God {Romans 3:23} so he is not one of God's sons!

You obviously are quoting from another book. No verse in the entire Bible refers to angels as sons of God. You are adding to the bible.

DEUTERONOMY 14

1“You are the children of the Lord your God; you shall not cut yourselves nor shave the front of your head for the dead.

Psalm 82:6
“I said, ‘You are “gods"; you are all sons of the Most High.’


Hosea 1:10-11

Yet the number of the children of Israel shall be as the sand of the sea, which cannot be measured nor numbered; and it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people, there it shall be said unto them, Ye are the sons of the living God. Then shall the children of Judah and the children of Israel be gathered together, and appoint themselves one head, and they shall come up out of the land: for great shall be the day of Jezreel.

Malachi 2:10

10 Do we not all have one father?[a] Did not one God create us? Why do we betray one another, thus making light of the covenant of our ancestors?

verses that refer to men as children of God.. all I need from you is just that refers to angels as children of God

MaxInDHouse:
YES! YES!! YES!!!
They are not organized like Jehovah's Witnesses.
Being organized simply means they will share the same line of thought just as Jesus prayed {John 17:20-23} if they do who do you think will pick up weapons to go and kill his brother in Christ living in other countries?
Only Jehovah's Witnesses know that it's wrong to pick up weapons due to the orders from a politician then aim at his fellow believer in Christ!
All other religions will do that except Jehovah's Witnesses who are truly ORGANIZED under Jesus Christ! John 13:34-35

Since you are a pacifist, If I walk into your home to steal or rape would you turn the other cheek?

MaxInDHouse:
We only acknowledge Christ's spiritual brothers (born again) God's Holy Spirit is teaching them and they are teaching us!
So if you don't believe in a group Jesus is teaching then you can continue reading the Bible on your own!

Oh you have special people that are taught by the spirit and the rest of you accept their teachings? This is getting very interesting. Basically, you don't know for yourselves. Whatever the special guys say you believe even if they lie to you. And then you go about teaching others what you received from your fellow man.
So when they tell you that angels sleep with girls you don't even think twice or ask for proof, you just go about teaching people the same. What is the difference between you and those that believe in a spiritual husband?

MaxInDHouse:
Simple!
After Adam's rebellion all humans have sinned and fall short of the glory of God {Romans 3:23} so if God's word now distinguish by calling some "sons of God" and the others "daughters of men" we check other scriptures to know who that place is referring to.

@ Job 1:6 says the "son's of God" took there position before God and Satan entered into their midst. We know that Job lived when God hasn't anoint anyone with his holy spirit and Satan entering indicates that the venue of that event is not earth but heaven where Satan and all other creatures there are SPIRITS!
Moreover it was written that "sons of God" (morning stars) were jubilating after their creation! Job 38:7

So we know that the "sons of God" who had not accepted Jesus before being declared as sons of God {John 1:11-12} must be angels!

Even after Adams fall, Enoch walked with God. And there were many other recorded children of God in the bible.
job did not say it was angels. and you again are right in saying that satan and other spirits. Just like the bible talks about the spirit of man. So we agree again spirits are children of God.
It says morning stars, not angels.
You still don't have a single verse that claims angels slept with women or that angels are the children of God. I have shown you many that show the spirit of man is a child of God.
Finally you even agree with me that spirits are children of God.

MaxInDHouse:
You don't need to beg me there are many religions claiming they're teaching people out there, you also mentioned RCCG so instead of begging me go and ask them too what they teach about the topic!

You guys believe that angels sleep with women. It is not based on scripture, it's just a personal belief. Yet you claim to be the correct group that follows the teachings of Christ. If you have other books that contain the teachings of Christ, I am open to it. I love to learn. For example, the latter-day saints have the Book of Mormon and they are open about it.
Please if you guys use other books, I would love a copy. Just show me the book that taught you such a doctrine. Angels sleep with women.

aminulive:
https://politicsnigeria.com/aisha-yesufu-a-misguided-bigot-deceiver-and-opportunist-by-solomon-semanka/

Aisha Yesufu is now the cause of Nigeria's poverty?

MaxInDHouse:
You don't need to beg me there are many religions claiming they're teaching people out there, you also mentioned RCCG so instead of begging me go and ask them too what they teach about the topic!

The more I speak with you, the more it seems that you guys have secret teachings outside the bible. Why did you assume that it was angels in Genesis 6 that slept with women?
Please if you have a secret book I would love a copy even if I need to buy it.

MaxInDHouse:
I cited and quoted the scriptures but you kept arguing against it so what else do you want me to do?

Genesis 6:1-2 said the sons of God had sex with daughters of men yet you're arguing that they're not angels.
Why did the Bible called the males "sons of God" but females "daughters of men" if they're all humans?

Oh is that the scripture Genesis 6:1-2 wow. Let's even pretend that it was not humans, How did you now decide that it was angels?
Again the bible calling males sons of God and females Daughters of men is still perfectly correct.
For example, if a Christian marries an unbeliever, I can easily say a child of God has married a Daughter of man.
WHY DID YOU ASSUME THAT THE SONS OF GOD WS REFERRING TO ANGELS? THAT IS MY QUESTION.

MaxInDHouse:
It's just the breath of life in human and it's the same thing that's in animals! Ecclesiastes 3:19-20

Ecclesiastes 3:19-20
For that which befalleth the sons of men befalleth beasts; even one thing befalleth them: as the one dieth, so dieth the other; yea, they have all one breath; so that a man hath no preeminence above a beast: for all is vanity. All go unto one place; all are of the dust, and all turn to dust again.

Please can you teach from the word of God? I perfectly understand your personal opinion. Now use the scriptures please I am begging you.