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haddeylium:
No matter how the Workman you employed/appointed for building your house labour, you'll still receive the glory as the Mastermind behind it and can rightly say I built this house myself.

Jesus is Jehovah's obedient servant ! (Act 3:13)
Jehovah provides salvation from sin through the ransom sacrifice of Jesus Christ, the Bible refers to Jesus as “Savior.”​—Acts 5:​31



If you understand the previous. Fine!

haddeylium:
Principal Saviour is supreme. He appointed others that the salvation is done through them. And he's those he appointed Saviour. you understand?

If I say, I built this House all by myself- Would that statement be wrong?
Answer.

Note; I appointed/employed Workers, Engineer, labour that helped in building that house.
But, who's receiving the glory?

haddeylium:
Good!
Now learn at your Pace!
Jehovah is the only person that is referred to as the source of Salvation 'No other one beside him' (Isa 43:11; 45:21).
He did this through men he raised as Saviour.

...and because of your great mercy, you would give them saviors to rescue them out of the hand of their adversaries.(Neh 9:27).

All other are appointed to serve as Saviour.
Several Judges served in this capacities; Othniel, Ehud, Moses (Jg 2:16; 3:9, 15).
Salvation is provided by JEHOVAH through all these men.

Likewise.
Jesus name means -JEHOVAH is Saviour!
So, Jesus was sent as Saviour by Jehovah 'the principal saviour'(1Jo 4:14)
Jehovah is Jesus saviour included (Heb 5:7; Ps 28:8.)
What should that tell you?

So, Jehovah as the Principal Saviour provided salvation through those men and Jesus.

Maamin:
Still from that verse 36 of Acts 2 you just quoted did you see where it says God has made that same Jesus , whome you crucified, both Lord and Christ?

Surely God the father(Jehovah) made the son both Lord and Christ (anointed one)

They are not the same entity as you have said in your thread

Janosky:
'Face to face' refers to intimacy of communication, Nobody can see God's face. Judges 6:11-22, Gideon never saw God's face but he had an intimate communication with the angel of Yahweh.
The truth stands.. Exodus 33:20-22 , John 6:46, John 1:18..

Maamin:
Ok i see another part that is confusing you greatly

Jesus said he came in the name of the father (Jehovah)
Jesus said all that the father own is his as well
Jesus said all that he sees the father does he does as well
Jesus said he doesn't seek his will but that of the father
Jesus said the father is in me and I am in the father

Through righteousness and humility Jesus obtain a name and position above every other creature either in heaven on earth or beneath the earth.

Finally the name Jesus translate "Jehovah is Saviour"
Now Jesus by inheritance can bear his father's name.

MaxInDHouse:
Their Trinity will ever remain what it is!

It will continue to promote
©Division- Each time an individual among them feels cheated or betrayed he/she freely walks away and pitch his/her tent elsewhere, then begin gathering members who feels the same way. Yet they will still believe they're worshiping the same God as the group they left.

©Racism- Pride remains in their midst so they can't unite as one despite claiming worshipers of the same God.

©Politics- Since pride and nepotism remains they can not stop but continue fight for power and their Trinity God is rendered useless.

©Sectarianism- They continue forming sects in the name of denominations whereas conflicting doctrines and contradicting teachings is what they're dispensing.

©Gender confusion- They can't conclude on the gender that should take the lead so both males and females lead in the worship of their Trinity even though it's written in the book (Bible) that only males should lead in worship.

©Stealing- They will continue to defraud one another using God's name, tithes, offerings, first fruits and so on is their target, and when they're able to collect these from they gullible followers they acquire material possessions everywhere yet saying heaven is their target.

©Promiscuity- Since each person can start his own Church, whatever he/does in the name of Trinity is welcomed.

©Spiritism- They employ every means to perform various spiritistic acts, this is what faithless people love, so with little magical acts they're able to gather crowd.

But one thing is certain, they will never unite in Trinity whatever disrupt pagans equally affects them! Luke 11:23

Princewell2012:
Excellent. You have just solve all my confusion. I can now concentrate. God bless you. Am not regretting of waking up by This time to read this piece. The time is 2.55Am

DappaD:
The man below has his own version that’s similar to yours and he made it clear that God is a trinity.
And he even calls Jehovah the Father which you deny, so who are you to say otherwise?
Can’t you see that it’s the same trinity doctrine but refashioned and restructured into several versions?
If you are not sure of the meaning of trinity just ask.
The Christian doctrine of the Trinity (Latin: Trinitas, lit. 'triad', from Latin: trinus "threefold"[1] holds that God is one God, but three coeternal and consubstantial persons:[2][3] the Father, the Son (Jesus Christ), and the Holy Spirit. The three persons are distinct, yet are one "substance, essence or nature" (homoousios).

DappaD:
Okay. Carry on.

DappaD:
Did I call you out or did I call out your teaching?
Experience has always shown that one begins to play the victim card when he has no other tricks up his sleeve. Hope that’s not the case with you.

DappaD:
See me and wahala. I should google it ni?
Thank God you’ve admitted that the trinity doctrine doesn’t have a scriptural basis and that it’s just a collection of random opinions of your highly esteemed so-called Bible scholars.

DappaD:
Like I said, find where to pitch your tent and leave long story.

Tcwork:
Ex33.11 Jehovah spoke to Moses face-to-face,+ just as one man would speak to another man. When he returned to the camp, Joshua+ the son of Nun, his minister and attendant,+ would not depart from the tent.
Note, it was Jehovah that spoke to Moses here, face to face

John6.46
Not that any man has seen the Father,+ except the one who is from God; this one has seen the Father.

John14.6
Jesus said to him: “I am the way+ and the truth+ and the life.+ No one comes to the Father except through me

The scriptures are clear, Jesus Christ is Jehovah.
Moses saw him face to face.

DappaD:
Oh so you don't know that the trinity doctrine has several variations?

Some trinitarians say that God split himself into 3 and sent one portion of himself to the earth, others say God is ONE but when he came down, he changed to a servant/son, some others say he and his Son are the same, while they claim holy spirit is a person/angel or third person in God-head. Others would say that Jehovah and Jesus are the same person but that Jehovah is not the Father—which is the claim you made.

So there are assorted variations, Mr Tcwork. Maybe you're a new comer but all you need to do is find where to pitch your tent.

DappaD:
Brilliant!

DappaD:
Peter said about Jesus at Acts 5:31(ISV)

“God has EXALTED to his right hand this very man[Jesus] as our Leader and Savior in order to extend repentance and forgiveness of sins to Israel.”

The scriptures are very clear that salvation[slavery from sin and death] can only be gotten THROUGH Jesus Christ(John 14:6, Acts 4:12) but Jehovah remains the Source of salvation. Psalm 62:1, Isaiah 43:11


It’s just a pity Tcwork cannot see beyond the scope of the trinity doctrine.

DappaD:
Peter said about Jesus at Acts 5:31(ISV)

“God has EXALTED to his right hand this very man[Jesus] as our Leader and Savior in order to extend repentance and forgiveness of sins to Israel.”

The scriptures are very clear that salvation[slavery from sin and death] can only be gotten THROUGH Jesus Christ(John 14:6, Acts 4:12) but Jehovah remains the Source of salvation. Psalm 62:1, Isaiah 43:11


It’s just a pity Tcwork cannot see beyond the scope of the trinity doctrine.

haddeylium:
Just like I wouldn't say Othniel is not a Saviour to the Israelites because he was appointed by the Supreme/Principal Saviour

haddeylium:
If I'm serving as King.
Am I a king?



Who does the Bible called the 'Only true God'? JEHOVAH, The Father.
But there are other Gods, Humans, Moses,Angels , Jehovah.
But, it's only the true God that is worthy to received our Sacred Worship.

Who those the Bible called the Only saviour' with no other?
Jehovah, the Father.
.
But, he appointed his servant to as an Agent in this capacities..
Othniel, Moses, Jesus.
Who received the glory as the principal Saviour, Jehovah!

haddeylium:
Jehovah said 'No other Saviour' (Isaiah 43:1).
Of course, you wouldn't want to include Othniel into the Godhead.
All those that Jehovah raised as saviour are a means or Agent in which is will is done!

American Standard Version
Jude 25
to the only God our Saviour, through Jesus Christ our Lord, be glory, majesty, dominion and power, before all time, and now, and for evermore. Amen.

Do you notice the Boldened?
And how that verse distinguish the principal Saviour from the means ?

haddeylium:
Jehovah said 'No other Saviour' (Isaiah 43:1).
Of course, you wouldn't want to include Othniel into the Godhead.
All those that Jehovah raised as saviour are a means or Agent in which is will is done!

American Standard Version
Jude 25
to the only God our Saviour, through Jesus Christ our Lord, be glory, majesty, dominion and power, before all time, and now, and for evermore. Amen.

Do you notice the Boldened?
And how that verse distinguish the principal Saviour from the means ?

haddeylium:
Do you by chance mean that, If I served as a King, I wasn't one.
If Im serving as president, I'm not a president.
what do you mean?

haddeylium:
I used Principal because he appointed others
If God appointed Othniel a Saviour, does that nullified Jehovah as the only Savior he claimed to be?

If others served as God or made God, does that nullified Jehovah(the Father) as the only true God?
Reason!

Janosky:
Jesus you said has a Father, you now claim he is the same person his Father is.

haddeylium:
The Hebrew language has no lower case in their Alphabet .
So, It was written in capital letters sir.

compare it with Ex 4:16 and answer the question.
Did God make him a false God?

Janosky:
Understanding, Bros.
Othniel was a Saviour , he was appointed.
So was Jesus Christ too.
Nobody made Jehovah a Saviour..
Do you understand?

haddeylium:
Do you see how that verse shows that Jehovah is the only principal Saviour.

Judges 3:9
When the Israelites called to Jehovah for help, Jehovah raised up a savior to rescue the Israelites, Othʹni·el the son of Keʹnaz, the younger brother of Caʹleb.

Othniel was used by Jehovah as a saviour for the Israelites .
Yet, he took the glory as the principal Saviour because He was Just a means the deliverance is done!

Likewise,
Acts 13:23
According to his promise, from the offspring of this man, God has brought to Israel a savior, Jesus.
Jesus was another saviour Jesus raised. But this time to deliver the whole mankind from the bondage of sins and death.
(compare with Jude 25).

Now, who's the principal Saviour?

Janosky:
'A god ,or A God'(means the same thing in Greek/ Hebrew.
Exodus 7:1 in most Bibles is big letter God..)