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@babs787,

babs787:
When you first came on board i honestly thought that you would be able to explain the issues based on the way you have been trying to address issues but alas you fumbled.

Call it fumbling - those were not yours; they are rather the remnant of the oft-plagiarized and oft-recycled stuff your characteristically puff up.

babs787:
In the threads created for Quranic contradictions, no muslims went posting any biblical contradictions to answer questions, they rather explained without going to the bible but here you are trying to play smart when you were asked for explanation, you quickly backed it up with quranic verses.

Stop sobbing, please. Can we just face the issues instead?? I don't think my post should be read as having answered your recycled material; rather I posted what I did because I had a direct question for you!

babs787:
It didnt come as a surprise because you went the same way when you were asked to defend your doctrine of the deity of Jesus, you quickly avoided the questions creating another questions when you have no answers.

I do have answers; and yes I deliberately offered you questions to think through. I have not, and do not have the intention of, making excuses as you often do. If I had no answers for some questions, I pass on; others I comment on; and yet others I have made my bit and still hold ace in the several threads where i do - because I know what I'm talking about and do not stoop to the antics of plagiarizing faulty articles from dr. Naik Zakir and his ilk.

babs787:
Common be a man, explain the contradictions in your bible afterall muslims have done same without making reference to the bible in their response.

I don't see Muslims offering any answers - they've all been weather-beaten to hide their tales between their legs like spank puppies.

babs787:
As for the issues listed by you, trust me, the links where you lifted it from has explained same too.

Oh, please impress me!

babs787:
So bros, explain them to me and stop trying to act smart.

When you stop accusing others of your own weak plight, answers will come.

Please go to the link where the Muslim MYTH of Human Embryology has been debunked - and prove your mettle there.

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-52865.0.html#msg1116322

@babs787,

babs787:
It is glaring you and your folks have been crying ever since babs came up with the imcompleteness of the bible.

Is that why the Muslims in this Forum have had nothing to rebutt in my posts ever since I came on board?

babs787:
As for the topic at hand, answers have been supplied but you are the one confusing yourself with your map.

Please go to the maps and answer the 4 questions I left, thank you.

babs787:
Now to our deluded geographer, where does a muslim in Saudi Arabia faces?

Thanks again for the "deluded" accolade; it still has not said anything about the questions I asked.

babs787:
where does a muslim in Nigeria faces?

Where does a muslim in Sudan faces during prayer?

I don't remember asking these dribbling and convenient questions, so you can gather your own moss and go to the previous page for my questions.

babs787:
And when you provide answers to the above, you tell me how does a 'qiblah detector' detects where one faces?

Simple maps and geographic knowledge simply throw that idea to the bin. It is a "qiblah detector" and not a geographic positioning device like a GPS!!    That is the problem with you guys - convenient tools to hide all the deception. The qiblah detector works in precisely the same way that a metal detector works!!

I challenge you to use a GPS to detect your geographical postions in proximity to the poles - and you will find the difference it makes in this debate!! 

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Meanwhile, why did you avoid the rebuttal on this link: https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-52865.0.html#msg1116322 

Why Did Muslims Lynch This Christian Woman

Because it portrays the ideology of the murderers.

thesilent1:
would this be an issue if they had cameras in those days?

It definitely would!

Back in Muhammad's day, there were artists - painters, sculptors, graphic artists, etc. The bottomline is that Muhammad forbade ALL types of pictures of human beings and animals - whether they were dead or not; or whether they were those of prophets or paupers.

@misright,

Let me even ask: having asked yourself your own questions, what do you really believe??

And whatever you believe, where does that leave you as a Christian (or perhaps, a Baptist in particular)??

@babs787,

You may call it "tit-for-tat". No problems to me at all, if you really think you're attacking me personally. It only reveals your desperations and betrays the person you are in your religion.

Whatever and however you can twist out of the Bible, we're talking of the same Person that the Qur'an speaks of: JESUS, right?? Right.

After you have ridiculed Him in your frantic panic to "get back" at us, can you please answer these two question simply:

           # Is the Qur'an speaking of a different Jesus than is spoken of in the Bible??

           # If Christians refer to Jesus as God, are we worshipping a false god?

When you have answered the questions; then I'll post something for your consideration.

@babs787,

babs787:
When you are through with the reading and probably rebuttal, you supply answers to my questions

Thank you for reposting someone else's article - Sheikh Muhammed Salih Al-Munajjid (and thanks for leaving the weblink, because I already have seen that!). I'm not quite impressed that you'd be so quick to entertain us with the usual skit.

Where are YOUR OWN answers you've been "preparing"?? Until YOU address the question directly with what you know, you really have got nothing to offer personally with the clause "my questions"!!

There is good stuff you will read from others (if you've been deliberately avoiding them) - please see especially that of shahan in the following links:

The Royal "WE" used in official speech:
https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-31610.32.html#msg826834

The WE, US, and OUR of 'Allah':
https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-31610.32.html#msg829828

Exposing the MYTH with verses from the Qur'an:
https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-31610.32.html#msg829830

The links all lead to the same thread: Israel Malik Esthers; and since January 21, 2007 up until now (nearly 4 months between), no Muslim has had anything to say in rebuttal - not even you, babs787!!!

If you've got anything of your own at all, please post them and we shall take you up on them.

Thanks.

babs787:
You are free to rebut my post up about the incompleteness of your bible.

That question has been put to rest, and soundly too by a few reasoning people on the Forum, especially stimulus. You may not agree with him, and no one forces you to; but he also has soundly highlighted the fact that the missing books of the Qur'an makes it by far an incomplete book.

Meanwhile, do you care to please go to the several questions I left for your attention and address them without your usual drama? Thanks.

babs787:
You brothers caused the reason for my re-posting same.

Because there's hardly anything else you have to plagiarize from your websites, no??

@muske and all sobbing Muslims on the Forum,

The hilarity of Muslims praising one another under the cover of their shame is just out of this world. It may make him feel good, afterall he has often sought to be self-applauded. If he indeed has "silenced" anyone or "extinguished" any so-called fire, have you read a dot from him in this thread ever since the "facts, proofs, evidences" and pictures started popping up - the very same things under which he has been excusing himself? He has continued to circulate some very popular jokes on the Forum which have become nothing more than tissue questions meant for the latrine.

The joke continues in the myth of the Qur'an and science. The backyard apologetics of Dr. Naik Zakir being recycled ad infinitum on the question of Human Embryology and other issues have been solidly nailed to the coffin. Only half-baked, unschooled braggarts continue to use his propaganda in the hope that Islam might appear "brilliant" to gullible minds. Muslims often try to sound like Muhammad was an illiterate and could not have possibly heard anything about the "facts" of Human Embryology or related sciences; and then these same Muslim apologists lie to the world that it was only "recently" that such modern science "discovered" the science of the Qur'an which no one knew until now. Cheats!  An attempt has been made here to expose the fraud: https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-52865.0.html#msg1116322 

The question I want to ask here, muske, is this: what has your babs787 or other knowledgable Muslims said about the rebuttal in the link above??

The reality is that such ideas were well estblished long before the emergence of Islam. As far back as the early 2nd century (over 350 years before Muhammad was born), there were many well-known scientists whose ideas remain infallible to this very day! The Greek doctor, Galen of Pergamum was a reknowned physician, anatomist, physiologist, philosopher, lexicographer, and a prolific writer. His father Nicon (who was Galen's sole instructor) was himself a mathematician, architect, astronomer, philosopher, and devotee of Greek literature.

What all these point out is that, the fields of medical and biological sciences were well-developed enough to have sound and accurate scientific principles to be upheld right through to the 21st century! Not only so, but even with the blessing of such gifted minds long before the emergence of Islam, Muhammad's 'Allah' got it all wrong in the field of Human Embryology.

I could go on with other issues; but I don't notice your babs787 ever having anything to say at all when his recycled, plagiarized and yet faulty materials have got nothing to say. Instead, he comes coming back to replace reason with rascality; the most recent being the same thing such people like Dr. Naik Zakir have used: "tit for tat".

I also asked questions - have you seen any of his answers?? None. This Muslim thing of first offering al-taqiyya to the public, and then turning to racsality as first aid when their deception is exposed, say nothing good about Islam. Rather, such rasacilly behaviour only betrays the deep-seated deception we have become conversant to in the Islamic world.

This is why I started with this verse:

Prov. 18:17 -- "The first to state his case seems right until his neighbor comes to cross-examine him."

Regards.

@olat,

olat:
Ideally, I don't like contributing to religious thread 'because almost everybody in-house is already bias towards their belief and our disussions does not appear matured or objetive.

The bias is strongest among Muslims who ask for evidence, facts, proofs; and when they are given such, they've got nothing to say than claim that people are posting out of ignorance.

olat:
The special thing about kabba is that its a mosque built by Ibrahiim (A.S) who prayed that Allah should bless the house and make it a point of convergence for the generations of faithfuls to come.

You're recycling the same old piece that has already been debunked. Muhammad told that tale to his companions; but it has no substance at all.

olat:
Kabba is where the Muslims face when praying and it signifies unity - - All Muslims in the world face one single Kaaba and of course via various geographical directions, by virtue of the position of the position of the kaaba to my current geographical location. THATS SIMPLE AND CLEAR!

That may be your persuasion; but the books and tenets of Islam did not say that the directions are various or different. They claim it is one direction - and that is EAST.

olat:
But why the mention of the 'east' ? Because, we all face the Middle East which incidentally is the centre of the world.

The Middle East is NOT the center of the world in terms of geographical positioning or direction. Even middle easterners have to measure direction and time using the same well-established time zones and longitudes and latitudes. In which case, they would have to take their current location in relation to the Greenwich Mean Time (GMT), because that is where you measure your zero hour, and indicate the time EASTWARD or WESTWARD from there.

The Standard Time Zone (UTC/GMT) for Mecca, Saudi Arabia is +3 hours; and there is no daylight saving time in 2007. I hope this little geography lesson will help.

olat:
So, people make a passing comment that we face EAST implying that we face the Middle East.

It is not a passing comment, and I do not find any Muslim commentary (tafsir) giving off what you're stating here. They all point to a direct geographical spot - the Kaa'ba in Mecca; and most Muslims refer to a direct position of the EAST; and not rather a political bloc such as the Middle East.

The Middle East is a political bloc that includes several countries, and it cannot as a term be highjacked and used to represent only Mecca or the Kaa'ba. Please see the region called the Middle East below:

[img]http://www.externalharddrive.com/countries/middleeast/middleeast.GIF[/img]

olat:
Rabbul Mashrikaini Wal maghribain - The Lord of the two Easts and Wests - This is language stuff - Lugathan Arabiya - You see in translation, you make some nearest in meaning for lack of most appropriate words to use -

In the Islamic world, there is nothing like "nearest in meaning". It was Pickthall who said that the Qur'an cannot be translated - and not even one Muslim has attempted to counter that quip.

olat:
Rabbul - The Lord

mashrikainin - The two places where the sun rises (this was tranlated to East, for convenience)

Maghribain - The two places where the sun sets. (this was tranlated to West, for convenience)

Fair enough, if that could be explained as being the times and differences during the sun's path in the spring and fall equinoxes. But that would present a huge problem for you!!

Actually, the spring and fall equinoxes are the only two days of the year that the sun rises due east and sets due west. On other days, the sun rises either north or south of "east" and sets north or south of "west." That is why you will not find just two paths traced for sun across the sky for all times of the year! In quite a simplistic manner, this is illustrated in the diagram below; and please observe that there are THREE standard paths traced across the sky at different times of the year:


                                                As seen from Washington DC.

      [img]http://www.onr.navy.mil/focus/spacesciences/images/observingsky/sunhorizon.jpg[/img]

The Vernal and Autumnal Equinoxes have nearly equal amounts of day and night and the Sun's midday altitude is midway between its heights on the Solstices.

Source: http://www.onr.navy.mil/focus/spacesciences/observingsky/sun1.htm

olat:
I hope this suffices for an objective mind.

I appreciate your attempt to provide answers; but as you can see, they fall short of reality.

Regards.

mukina2:
it doesnt matter where you are praying as long as it faces the east

If every Muslim faces East, they cannot all be facing the kaa'ba.

If every Muslim is facing the Kaa'ba, they cannot all be facing East.

mukina2:
those guys praying will have something infront of them .

I hope so; but what is it they would have in front of them??

mukina2:
the dummies in bikini will not obstruct their prayers

That is if they're even facing the East at all.

macalurs:
speaking of morals and high horses

What has this retarded response got to do with the question?

Everything that retards can't understand.

skyhadi16:
Well i don't know what you guys are drivig at, i believe the matured minds will ask questions if they require answers not making mokery or fun out it. lets be careful.

When people asked questions maturely, they were ignored on the excuses that there were no "proofs, facts, evidences". Here they are provided and we want answers; but now this is all that is being returned??

babs787:
I can see that we have been repeating same thing over and over again

I was wondering that most of your questions have been recycled one too many times.

So, what is happening to the question of Islam's disguised polytheism?

I'm still wondering how this issue could be rationally resolved. What do we make of the "revelations" of a man who was well known to be under such influences??

Again, the passion is so strong, and quite admirable, that we can safely conclude the following:

   If the compass is rightly pointing to the direction, it doesn't matter what is in front of you!!

                 Now you see it

        https://www.investigateislam.com/sexlover.jpg


                 Now you don't!!

        https://www.investigateislam.com/sexlover1.jpg


It all has to do with the direction. . . or does it?? 

Hi @Flowjay,

Flowjay:
This forum has had it's ups and downs. People contributing to topics (especially sensitive ones like this) shouldn't just post out of ignorance or mokery. It is obvious many of the contributors are ignorant about Islam and are not willing to learn,

For Muslims to be making contributions and not answering questions is no way to learn anything.

Flowjay:
Babs has done well in answering your questions.

What answers has he given to the core questions posted recently? Has he not been asking for "proof, facts, evidence" whenever questions are raised. I didn't see him post a dot since the hard facts and evidence were given.

Flowjay:
Now to answer some of your questions.The Kaa'ba was built by Abraham for your info.

That was what Muhammad told Muslims. It has no historical basis, and that "revelation" has been debunked one too many times. The dates and figures in Muhammad's claims are mixed up; his reasoning is disjointed and even Muslims cannot reconcile them to fit the facts that the Kaa'ba is far removed from Abraham.

So, just recycling the same old baseless scripts is no way to present truth or fact.

Flowjay:
There is nothing in it,

Wrong. The Black Stone is there.

Flowjay:
facing the same direction also signifies unity apart from being a commandment of Allah.

Again, it has been demonstrated that Muslims do not face the same direction as they claimed -- EAST. Take a look at the picture below and see the when people are all facing the Kaa'ba from all directions, that is hardly the same thing as facing the EAST!!


Muslims face the Kaa'ba from all DIFFERENT directions!!

https://www.toursaudiarabia.com/images/kaaba-1-large.jpg

Flowjay:
The black stone is not being worshipped and is there for symbolic reason as it was placed by reps of differrent clans (unity).

Three big, but fallacious claims in one statement. Here's what's wrong with them:

(a) to kiss a stone is reverring it; to rever it in such a manner constitutes idolatory!

(b) the "symbolic reason" you claim is not given by Muhammad; and as far as we know,
even his companions regarded it as neither able to benefit nor harm anyone. Otherwise,
could you please offer us the "symnbolic reason"??

(c) The stone was not placed there by different clans - the clans being said to be those of
the Biblical characters (Adam, Noah, etc). It is just a claim made to hoodwink Muslims,
and they bought into it without a careful investigation into Islam's claims about it!

Flowjay:
davidylan I suggest you research more before sending posts so u wont sound so ignorant (appologies, don't mean any harm). The Sun rises from the East and sets in the West. This alone proves that East and west is the same for everyone, irrespective of your location. Geography proves this.

Wrong again. Even the argument from your own statement would mean that "the sun rises in the West and sets in the East" - which is the same for everyone irrespective of location. Muslim apologists love this propaganda so much that any such fallacious statement coming from their camp is bound to cheer them on, even if such statements are wide of berth.

Geography rather disproves your assertions - that is why we have longitudes and latitides; and if anything at all, there's no text in the Qur'an where your assumptions can remotely be carried.

Flowjay:
Like I mentioned earlier Babs has answered the other questions so i wont comment on them.

He has answered nothing to the core questions. And like I said, only conveniently selected texts were used in his posts for the usual Muslim theories stories excuses exculpations!!

Flowjay:
SUGGESTION: The fact that you don't beleive what others beleive does not give you the right to condemn them, the Almighty will judge us all on judgement day.

Preach to your choir. What do you think babs has been doing?? Does he realize (and agree with you) that the Almighty will judge him on that day too??

Flowjay:
For those willing to know more about Islam, please don't hesitate to contact the nearest Mosque to you. May Allah forgive us all and increase us in knowledge (Amen)

We are all willing to learn; we don't have to wait until we're being traced by jihadists for asking too many questions. Why?? Because Muhammad claimed that 'Allah has hated' those who ask questions!!

@babs787,

babs787:
3.
i.how many did David kill
ii. was it 40,000 horsemen or footsoldiers?
iii. what is the name of their commander?

It really would be nice if you could carefully research your points before you post them. I have a question about figures for you as well.

How long exactly is a Day in the Qur'an?

       A.|| a day is equal to 50,000 years - Qur'an 70:4
       B.|| a day is equal to 1,000 years - Qur'an 22:47; Quran 32:5

Here are the verses, using the popular versions being read by many Muslims all over the world:

A - Qur'an 70:4
Pickthall - (Whereby) the angels and the Spirit ascend unto Him in a Day whereof the span is fifty thousand years.
Yusuf Ali - The angels and the spirit ascend unto him in a Day the measure whereof is (as) fifty thousand years:
Hilali-Khan - The angels and the Ruh [Jibrael (Gabriel)] ascend to Him in a Day the measure whereof is fifty thousand years,
Shakir - To Him ascend the angels and the Spirit in a day the measure of which is fifty thousand years.
Sher Ali - The angels and the Spirit ascend to HIM in a day, the measure of which is fifty thousand years.

B - Qur'an 22:47
Pickthall - . . . and Allah faileth not His promise, but lo! a Day with Allah is as a thousand years of what ye reckon.
Yusuf Ali - . . . But God will not fail in His Promise. Verily a Day in the sight of thy Lord is like a thousand years of
your reckoning.
Hilali-Khan - . . . And verily, a day with your Lord is as a thousand years of what you reckon.
Shakir - . . . and surely a day with your Lord is as a thousand years of what you number
Sher Ali - . . .And, verily, a day with thy Lord is sometimes as a thousand years of your reckoning

     Quran 32:5
Pickthall - then it ascendeth unto Him in a Day, whereof the measure is a thousand years of that ye reckon
Yusuf Ali - in the end will (all affairs) go up to Him, on a Day, the space whereof will be (as) a thousand years
of your reckoning.
Hilali-Khan - then it (affair) will go up to Him, in one Day, the space whereof is a thousand years of your reckoning
(i.e. reckoning of our present world's time).
Shakir - . . . then shall it ascend to Him in a day the measure of which is a thousand years of what you count.
Sher Ali - . . . then will it go up to HIM in a day the duration of which is a thousand years according as you reckon



Could you explain the difference between the 50,000 years and 1,000 years that are both a day? Or, . . .

            How long exactly is a day in Islam - 50,000 years or 1,000 years??

            How are we to understand the difference of 49,000 years between both figures?

Thanks.

@Gwaine,

I had to read your rejoinder twice (slowly the second time) to know where you were coming from. My goodness!! You opened my eyes to a whole lot of issues. Thank you so very much for making huge sense.

If it won't be such a trouble, could you try and offer some answers to the other questions - I'm sure there are loads that I would learn from them.

I wonder why all the rigmarole. If you've got anything to say, please do. Gwaine has hinted where you're coming from earlier, hasn't he?

Gwaine:
You would predictably come back with 1 Cor. 5:9 - NO??

@topic,

Could someone (a Muslim) please tell where the Torah and Injil mentioned in the Qur'an can be found today??

I am still wondering how most Muslims today recycle the fallacies of people like Dr. Naik Zakir and Ahmed Deedat about the Torah and Injil being lost!! Can they please tell us which "Torah" Muhammad confessed that he believed in, according to the following:

   Sunan Abu-Dawud Book 38, Number 4434:

Narrated Abdullah Ibn Umar: A group of Jews came and invited the Apostle of Allah
(peace_be_upon_him) to Quff. So he visited them in their school.

They said: AbulQasim, one of our men has committed fornication with a woman; so
pronounce judgment upon them. They placed a cushion for the Apostle of Allah
(peace_be_upon_him) who sat on it and said: Bring the Torah. It was then brought.

He then withdrew the cushion from beneath him and placed the Torah on it saying:
I believed in thee and in Him Who revealed thee.

He then said: Bring me one who is learned among you. Then a young man was brought.
The transmitter then mentioned the rest of the tradition of stoning similar to the one
transmitted by Malik from Nafi' (No. 4431).

Are there two Torahs - an Islamic Torah (which is now lost) and another one for the Jews??

In Indian, people look both ways before they cross the road. It won't matter whether anyone believes there's some truth in it or not; but the moment such a person crosses the road looking only one way (or not looking at all), he would find out pretty much the reality of his actions.

It is no different around the world. Even in Nigeria, South America, and Australia, the same holds true. You don't have to agree on anything -- just go stand in front of a molue on a very busy expressway, and come back and give us situational report!

@simmy,

simmy:
u nairaland people sef u like wahala, if muslims want to fac eeast how your own be
obvioulsy the original muslims prayed facing their east and the practise spread as habit, y do xtians tend to clasp their hands or close their eyes when they pray

It is not as simplistic as that. The real issue is not which direction they face when praying. The real question to ask is: what is in the direction they face to pray?

The answer that is readily given is that all Muslims are asked to face the direction of the Kaa'ba.

That being the case, we have to ask again: what is inside the Kaa'ba that Muslims must face its direction in praying?

Some may be willing to tell you; and the answer is in pictures below:


               https://www.toursaudiarabia.com/images/kaaba-3-large.jpg

               https://www.geocities.com/khola_mon/myth/Black_Stone1.gif


                        Yep, that is the real issue here: The BLACK STONE!!

It is not just a matter of the direction of East or West; ot whether there are two Easts or two Wests (as the Qur'an says in Q. 55:17). The real issue here is that there is a BLACK STONE to be revered in Islam; and Muhammad started the practice of kissing the Stone.

However, if one may ask why this Stone is so revered in Islam, the answer is blank. Muslims today propound a lot of theories stories excuses exculpations for the significance of their reverence for the Stone; but it is interesting to read that Muhammad's companions did not attach any importance to it:

Sahih Bukhari, Volume 2, Book 26, Number 667:
Narrated 'Abis bin Rabia: 'Umar came near the Black Stone and kissed it and said
"No doubt, I know that you are a stone and can neither benefit anyone nor harm anyone.
Had I not seen Allah's Apostle kissing you I would not have kissed you."


The question one must ask here is:

        Is the kissing of the Stone and the reverence accorded it not the same thing as idolatory??

Answers please.

mhykkell:
I assure U that this arguement can continue 4ever. The more U make the Muslims see reason, the more they are so sure and firm and convinced that we're the confused ones.

There are Muslims who have come to the saving knowledge of the Lord Jesus Christ from what they have read on the net, debates they have listened to on media, and discussions they have had face to face with people.

mhykkell:
Bible tells us that none can come unto Him except He draws. Dont do God's work! You'll only end up spoilling it.

Whose works are outlined in the following verses? --

1 Pet 3:15-16
"But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear: Having a good conscience; that, whereas they speak evil of you, as of evildoers, they may be ashamed that falsely accuse your good conversation in Christ."

Psa 119:46 - "I will speak of thy testimonies also before kings, and will not be ashamed."

Matt. 10:19 - "But when they deliver you up, take no thought how or what ye shall speak: for it shall be given you in that same hour what ye shall speak."

Mark 13:11 - "But when they shall lead you, and deliver you up, take no thought beforehand what ye shall speak, neither do ye premeditate: but whatsoever shall be given you in that hour, that speak ye: for it is not ye that speak, but the Holy Ghost."

So, whose work is it to speak what we have been given??

mhykkell:
God in His infinite mercies can decide to draw these same Muslims to Himself and they become better and stronger Christians than U all.

Amen. I don't mind how you measure that - so long as they be saved!!

mhykkell:
So what da heck about who faces where and who faces what? God remains God!
babyosisi U no go kill person O! I lov your jokes.

Actually, ask what is in the Kaa'ba, and then you will know "what the heck" it is all about!

mhykkell:
TellyB about directing your fart to Mecca---Na only God go 4giv U.

Well, I'm so lucky my head isn't chopped off already - especially as I don't remember having said any such thing. God bless you.

At the end of the day, no one knows where the lost Injil and Torah of the Qur'an went; or even what one line in those documents say!

So, which one did Muhammad use in his day? Didn't he say that he believed in the one that the Jews were using?

  Sunan Abu-Dawud Book 38, Number 4434:

Narrated Abdullah Ibn Umar: A group of Jews came and invited the Apostle of Allah
(peace_be_upon_him) to Quff. So he visited them in their school.

They said: AbulQasim, one of our men has committed fornication with a woman; so
pronounce judgment upon them. They placed a cushion for the Apostle of Allah
(peace_be_upon_him) who sat on it and said: Bring the Torah. It was then brought.

He then withdrew the cushion from beneath him and placed the Torah on it saying:
I believed in thee and in Him Who revealed thee.

He then said: Bring me one who is learned among you. Then a young man was brought.
The transmitter then mentioned the rest of the tradition of stoning similar to the one
transmitted by Malik from Nafi' (No. 4431).

          So, what Torah did Muhammad confess that he believed in?

          Are there two Torahs - one for Jews and the other for Muslims?

At least, we know that the Jewish Torah exists today, and have predated Muhammad and Islam. So, if the claim made by some Muslims that "the Torah was LOST" can be sustained at all (if that was not a bigger deception), does that not mean that the Islamic Torah was "lost" (if at all ever given) - which is what we have often been told?

Those who are quoting Dr. Naik Zakir and Ahmed Deedat on this fallacy of the lost Torah and Injil should please explain the mystery of Sunan Abu-Dawud Book 38, Number 4434 above!!

babyosisi:
Back in Mohammeds days,someone like our dear Muslim sister would have been lashed with 1000 strokes of the cain for chatting with a man innocently,no strings attached.

I was coming to that, but there.

bruce:
WHY SHOULD THE CHURCH RESPOND TO THE HIV AND AIDS PANDEMIC?

- - - This is so because, the Church can not successfully achieve its mandate of meeting the spiritual needs of the people and winning souls for Christ by neglecting the material, physical, emotional, and psychological needs of its members.

There. Nice.  

funkelola:
IGNORANCE!
Dont think we should really poke our nose into issues we no nothing about ,rather ask questions in a matured way.

I trust my questions were worded maturely. Is that IGNORANCE, too?

funkelola:
I don't think this forum should be an avenue to rebuke other people's religion.

We've heard this one too many times, but was that not rather meant for your Muslim fellows?

funkelola:
davidylan or whatever he calls himself went as far as saying Allah is alleged to be the "all knowing".

Is it true or not that the Qur'an describes him as such? I already gave the texts, and here again:

"all-knowing" and "all-wise":
Qur'an An-Nisa 4:11: ". . .These are settled portions ordained by Allah; and Allah is all-knowing, All-wise." || Qur'an An-Nisa 4:170: ". . .to Allah belong all things in the heavens and on earth: And Allah is all-knowing, All-wise."

See it here: https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-48380.128.html#msg1123113

funkelola:
For goodness sake,we should learn to mind our words especially when it has to do with the ALMIGHTY.

I hope the Muslims on the Forum would take a hint.

funkelola:
we are all practising what we are been born into.

I don't think anyone should be practising IGNORANCE - I wasn't born into that!!

There is nowhere in either the Qur'an or Hadith where the prohibition against making pictures was relaxed, abrogated, or annulled. Muhammad's prohibitions against pictures (of human beings or animals) leaves no room for the slightest concession.

If all Muslims are to heed the warning of Muhammad, then there would be no pictures, no cameras/ photographers, no painters/paintings, no newpapers photos, no TV programmes with any human face or animal imagery, . . . and the tourist industry in the Islamic world would perhaps be faceless.

The one question then would be: what kind of world would we have been living in with no pictures of any kind??

islampride:
If a god dies because of the actions of people who kill him, what is this god?

How could this wood bear the true god who was tied to it?

Eating and drinking, with the inevitable consequences thereof. Is that a god?

May I ask Muslims who love Jesus Christ: is it true that when Christians refer to Jesus as God, they are worshipping a false god?

davidylan:
and yet allah is alleged to be "all knowing" . . .

Well, it all depends on the context in which the word "East" is used; and I would really appreciate answers from them.

The reason why I still have my doubts is because most English translations of the Qur'an speak of "two Easts" --

Qur'an 55:17 -- "(He is) Lord of the two easts and Lord of the two Wests" [YusufAli tr.]

In anycase, what are we to learn from the questions about facing the east from all parts of the world?