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Ohyoudidnt:
Ahruf is not a dialect but rather a linguistic variation

Number of Qur'anic verses may range from 6,212 to 6,250, depending on the system used. The reasons for such differences are varied but is there a difference in the content?
The varyious systems of verse-numbering depend upon varying judgement as to where the rhyme was intended to fall, inclusion or obmission of the Bismillahi in the count.

Ohyoudidnt:
I have attached pictures of hafs and warsh in images shared. Look them up though I know you have done this either here and severally elsewhere.

Are there really differences in the context of what is said?

Ohyoudidnt:
No. I only state that there was a standard form of Qureysh arabic taken to forestall loss of the actual Quran due to variations.

It is crucial to understand that Ahruf is not a dialect but rather a linguistic variation. The Ahruf system encompasses different linguistic expressions that are used to convey the same message with slight variations to accommodate different audiences.

These variations include differences in pronunciation, wording, or grammatical structure, which are limited to a few letters or words and do not fundamentally change the meaning of the Quran.

Dialects, on the other hand can significantly deviate from the standard language and may require different grammar rules and vocabulary, Ahruf exists within the framework of the Arabic language itself. Recognizing Ahruf as a variation within the language allows for a deeper understanding of the flexibility and adaptability of the Quranic text.

The Quran appears to be of different versions not because the words are different but because the markings to aid pronunciation are different.

The different ahruf are all directly from Allah, and not from the Companions. In all the narrations where the companions differed from each other, it was clear that each one had been taught directly from the Prophet.

Primarily the styles was to enable ease of recitation for the area spread where arabiams lived from Mecca, Medina, Iraq, Syria, Jordan and beyond.

These are multiple styles are all authentic based upon meeting certain conditions and which add to the meaning of the Qur’an while not contradicting one another.

We should compare these variations you mention if you can name or bring them.

Regarding the bibles some of us come from the era before the digital boom and are used to seeing hard copies of religious books in libraries, bookstores, religious shops, schools etc.

Ohyoudidnt:
Not talking about a digital bible. There are many hardcopy Quran with both arabic and english translations.

Wuran?

All Arabs did not speak pure Arabic.
What is now called Modern Standard Arabic (Fosha) is basically based on Quranic Arabic, which is the Arabic of the Quraysh tribe.
All the arabs from southern Yemen to modern day Saudi Arabia, the small Gulf states and tribe living in Iraq and parts of Jordan/Syria had their dialects. Even within the Qureysh there are different dialects.
Prophet Muhammads tribe and most dominant in Mekka back in the days.
This is the dialect adopted in the Uthman standard.

Ohyoudidnt:
https://youtube.com/shorts/aF07AvG4qLQ?feature=share

Ohyoudidnt:
Yes he was mentioned twice. Though 41 times you read about the sons of Israel; Bani israel (descendants of Israel/people of israel)


Surah Al Imran (3), Ayah 93:

كُلُّ ٱلطَّعَامِ كَانَ حِلًّۭا لِّبَنِي إِسْرَاءِيلَ إِلَّا مَا حَرَّمَ إِسْرَاءِيلُ عَلَىٰ نَفْسِهِۦ مِن قَبْلِ أَن تُنَزَّلَ ٱلتَّوْرَىٰةُ ۗ قُلْ فَأْتُوا۟ بِٱلتَّوْرَىٰةِ فَٱتْلُوهَا إِن كُنتُمْ صَادِقِينَ

All food was lawful to Bani Israel except what Israel (Jacob) had forbidden himself before the Torah was sent down. Say, ‘Bring the Torah, and read it, should you be truthful.’

Surah Maryam (19), Ayah 58:

أُو۟لَٰئِكَ ٱلَّذِينَ أَنْعَمَ ٱللَّٰهُ عَلَيْهِم مِّنَ ٱلنَّبِيِّينَ مِن ذُرِّيَّةِ آدَمَ وَمِمَّنْ حَمَلْنَا مَعَ نُوحٍۢ وَمِن ذُرِّيَّةِ إِبْرَاهِيمَ وَإِسْرَاءِيلَ وَمِمَّنْ هَدَيْنَا وَٱجْتَبَيْنَآ ۚ…

They are the ones whom Allah has blessed from among the prophets of Adam’s progeny, and from [the progeny of] those We carried with Noah, and from among the progeny of Abraham and Israel (Jacob), and from among those We guided and chose… (the end of this verse obligates a religious prostration).

Ohyoudidnt:
Bibles with Hebrew or Greek alongside the English translation are pretty scarce. I personally haven't seen one or no anyone who has.

Is that cost saving or a deliberate ploy to deceive.

Ohyoudidnt:
Seems an earlier poster sufficiently addressed this.

Ohyoudidnt:
No I did not.
Educating you about the disparity between variation and difference.

You haven't answered why Christians adopted the derogatory name.

Ohyoudidnt:
Also a variation assumes one main or central process, theme, or ideology that remains the same.


A difference isolates and emphasises a distinct change.

Ohyoudidnt:
I notice your interest in learning Arabic. When you are done ask your question.

Translations of the meaning is not the same as the language.

Ohyoudidnt:
Jesus did not name them Christians but they were given the derogatory name and have taken to it?

Odiegwu!

Ohyoudidnt:
Obviously that was a typo. Was resonding to you question on Israel isn't it.

Ohyoudidnt:
So which version is correct? The KJV or NIV in an ever evolving bible?

Upgrade ever! Ridiculous!

Ohyoudidnt:
*He shall purify the house with the bird’s blood.


Isaac is the other name for Yakub a.s

Ohyoudidnt:
It is as written in your Bible.
Let's see another. Same verse.

30 As you know, these mountains are across the Jordan, westward, toward the setting sun, near the great trees of Moreh, in the territory of those Canaanites living in the Arabah in the vicinity of Gilgal.

The Mountains are towards the setting sun? The setting sun is at a fixed location in the territory of the Canaanites living in the Arabah?

Explain please.

Ohyoudidnt:
You know blood is good media for pathogens growth or you are ignorant of this?

Did Abraham sacrifice his son? Therein is the difference.

4islam:
Like I said you ain't the first to be asking or saying these things..God gave you your reply in the Quran so go continue your search about how someone got crucified.

Many who Kiss the black stone do it as gesture or admiration nothing about worship.

Clarify the things I mentioned oga. Don't run from it...

4islam:
Your first paragraph made me stop reading. Quote where in the Bible that Jesus said he was sent to the world or rule over the world? Or you know better than Jesus who clearly said he was sent to the children of Israel? Your God is one? He who sent me is greater than the messanger?

Ohyoudidnt:
This act is what please?
Leviticus 14:
49 To purify the house he is to take two birds and some cedar wood, scarlet yarn and hyssop.
50 He shall kill one of the birds over fresh water in a clay pot.
51 Then he is to take the cedar wood, the hyssop, the scarlet yarn and the live bird, dip them into the blood of the dead bird and the fresh water, and sprinkle the house seven times.
52 He shall purify the house with the bird’s blood, the fresh water, the live bird, the cedar wood, the hyssop and the scarlet yarn. 53 Then he is to release the live bird in the open fields outside the town. In this way he will make atonement for the house, and it will be clean.”

Bird killing, bird deeping and sprinkling
Nollywood is still a learner

4islam:
You people leave what God commanded and what Jesus clearly said and you believe you follow him.

Did Jesus name his followers christians? Did he tell you he is God or equal to Him? How about having images of living things? Bowing to God, washing body parts like hands, heads, legs and to teach others. Females covering head?

Where did Christmas or Dancing in churches instead of real worship come from? Where is the gospel of Jesus instead of gospels of men?

We cannot even compare. And like I said before channel your energy to learning your own religion instead of wanting islam to be like yours.

Quran of today is the same as 100years back to 500years back back to the Prophet. But the Bible won't be, so go challenge your leaders instead.

Ever heard of gospel of St Barnabas?

Shalom aleikum... (sounds islamic right)

Ohyoudidnt:
Deuteronomy 11:30
Are they not on the other side Jordan, by the way where the sun goeth down, in the land of the Canaanites, which dwell in the champaign over against Gilgal, beside the plains of Moreh?

The sun goeth down in the land of the Canaanites?

4islam:
Why don't you tell us about God, Jesus, Christianity and salvation??

4islam:
Lols did mention female fluid And Sun's setting or rising, God stated how the person in the story saw it (POV). The same chapter mentioned sun rising over people and sun rising and setting right and left a cave.

For the death of Sulaiman, did Quran mention the length

Keep lying to yourself. You aren't the first and won't be the last.

We follow the religion of Ibrahim and we believe in what was revealed to other prophets before Muhammed (Pbut).

4islam:
Quran was revealed into the heart of a man and it's accurate descriptions of everything is perfect especially for something written thousands of years ago. For thousands of years we have been memorizing so it stays in our heart so if there was changes many others who knows it would state the authentic one (how many chapters of the Bible do you know by heart?).

If we start talking about Christianity we won't finish and I can't waste my time.

Glory be to God who has been guiding His final book.

Explore2xmore:
It's your book and should first apply to you. Why did you give an arabic name when that isn't how you and your book recognise him.

It's been a lengthy waste of time; glad you now know some truths though you will not accept.

Bye

papagiddy:
I discovered .....most Muslims don't many things about Islam or something written in the Quran

Explore2xmore:
Hope you have taken your own advice before giving it out

honesttalk21:
Do I smell frustration that you cannot get a bible copy close to the presumed crucifixion of Jesus?

honesttalk21:
I have provided you with information as close as 23 years to prophet Muhammad's passing.

Can you get as close to your Jesus?

You pull a different line but if I may have you sincerely asked God this yourself and about Muhammad pbuh too?

Explore2xmore:
Your conviction. Stand for yourself and get off the Superman saving fable. You ain't living make belief

honesttalk21:
You and your league should be able to find something unless.....

Explore2xmore:
Seems you have deep issues staying on a subject. Were you not referring to a verse on clouds, rain and hail?
Either way it's my religion. Mind yours!

4islam:
Channel that energy into finding the truth about whatever religion you belong to. If you are a Christian I'm sure you would have seen many changes, mistakes, inconsistencies and so in it.

Perhaps you wish Islam was like that too and read fabricated things just to prove it. Well good luck while at it but our time on Earth is very short before we would meet God for judgement and our differences would be settled.