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Christianity Etc › Re: Who Deleted This Verse From The Perfectly Preserved Quran Of Muhammad? by TenQ(op): 10:39pm On Aug 06, 2023
Explore2xmore:
Never heard.
What village or tribe has this myth? Yours?

Break it down.
Qur'an s it not true according to your religion that shooting stars are missiles thrown at the Jinn for eavesdropping the words of Allah in Heaven?


Shooting stars are massively big physical structures, shaitan (non physical being) and the Jinn is so small that shaitan can urinate in the noses of Muslims : does this not sound like a myth to you?

If it is not a myth, is it REAL occurence?
Christianity Etc › Re: Who Deleted This Verse From The Perfectly Preserved Quran Of Muhammad? by TenQ(op): 3:09pm On Aug 06, 2023
Explore2xmore:
Some clouds contain hail.


Have you not seen that God drives the clouds, then joins them together and puts them fold on fold. Then you see the rain fall through them; and He sends down hail from the sky where there are mountains of it, and strikes those with it whom He will, and wards it off from whomsoever He please. His lightning could snatch away their eyes.
Some clouds contain hail!?
What is the percentage?

And is the superstition that hail wards off enemies of Allah true or is it also figurative?




If you check, this superstition is very similar to shooting stars warding off Jinn: is it not?
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Did God Forsake Jesus? (pics) by TenQ: 10:51pm On Aug 05, 2023
Ohyoudidnt:
Failed assassination attempts against the Holy Prophet sa
A noteworthy point to make here about the isolated assassination attempt by poisoning at Khaybar is that this is not the only time the opponents tried to assassinate the Prophet Muhammadsa, in fact, there were many more failed attempts, some of which are as follows:

We find one attempt by the Jews to kill him when he was just an infant staying with Halima Sa’diyya. (Sunan Abi Dawud, 3004)

Abu Jahl plots to kill him but flees when angels intervene. (Ibn Ishaq’s Sirat Rasul Allah – The Life of Muhammad, trans. A. Guillaume, Oxford University Press, Seventeenth Impression, 2004, pp. 133ff.)

The people of Ta’if throw stones at Prophet sa, leaving him drenched in blood. He survives and the people of Ta’if accept Islam instead. (Sir Muhammad Zafrulla Khanra, Muhammad: The Seal of Prophets, Islam International Publications, 2012, p. 66)

Umar plots to kill the Prophet sa but instead accepts Islam and is now buried next to him. (Hazrat Mirza Bashiruddin Mahmud Ahmadra, Life of Muhammadsa, Islam International Publications, 2013, p. 38)

A party of disbelievers puts a cloth around the Prophet’s sa neck and drags him to kill him, however, this was intervened by his companions. (Ibid, p. 17)

The Meccan tribes try to kill the Prophet sa before he migrates to Medina. They wait outside his house all night, however, he has already left. (Ibid, p. 50)

A bounty is put on the head of the Prophet sa during the migration of Medina. Suraqahra b. Malik locates the Prophetsa, but rather than killing him, he eventually accepts Islam. (Ibid, p. 52)

The Prophet sa is confronted by a man with a sword while he is resting under a tree. The man says to the Prophetsa ‘Who will save you now?’. The Prophetsa replies ‘Allah’. Rather than killing him, the man drops his sword and becomes a supporter of Islam. (Rashid Choudhry, Stories from Early Islam, Islam International Publications, 1990, p. 121)

Banu Nadir appoint ‘Amr b. Jahsh to throw a boulder on the head of the Prophet sa from a cliff. The Prophet sa is informed by Angel Gabrielas about this, and their plan fails. (William Muir, The life of Mahomet and history of Islam to the era of the Hegira, Vol. 4, 1861, Smith, Elder & Co., p. 308)

A hypocrite plans to kill the Prophet sa: Ibn Hajar states, “Ibn ‘Abd al-Barr mentioned in his Kitab ad-Durar that the Prophet sa passed by him while he was intent on suddenly attacking him, and so the Prophetsa asked, ‘What are you thinking about?’ He said, ‘Nothing. I was engaged in the remembrance of Allah.’ The Prophet sa laughed and said, ‘I seek forgiveness from Allah for you’ then placed his hand on his chest. ‘Fadala said, ‘By Allah, he had not even lifted his hand from my chest until I did not find anyone more beloved to me on the face of the earth than him.’” (Sharh Sahih al-Bukhari, Book 93, Hadith 599)

The botched assassination attempt of ‘Aqaba 9 AH mentioned in Dala’il an-Nubuwwah, al-Bayhaqi, V. 5, p. 256, Dar-ul-Isha‘ah, Karachi, 2009)

The failed attack on the Prophet sa in the valley of Hunayn. The Prophetsa returned stating: ‘I am the Prophet, there is no untruth about it’. (Sahih al-Bukhari, Kitab al-maghazi, 4316)

And finally, the poisoning attempt at Khaybar.
These are just but a few failed attempts at the life of the Holy Prophet Muhammadsa. Can anyone, after reading this, stand up and say that God did not indeed protect the Prophet sa?

We will now investigate the main point of discussion, i.e., no. 13, which inevitably has the same outcome as the 12 before it.

The isolated case of the poisoning attempt at Khaybar
Like all the incidents above, this incident also testifies only to the truth that indeed God was with the Holy Prophet sa.

Let us now delve into the sources.

Everything hinges on a series of varied narrations found in the books of Hadith regarding the incident of Khaybar in which the Holy Prophet sa was presented with some poisoned meat. This event took place in 6/7 AH. The various narrations are as follows:

Abu Hurayrahra narrated, “When Khaybar was conquered, a roasted poisoned sheep was presented to the Prophetsa as a gift [by the Jews]. Allah’s Messenger sa said, ‘Let all the Jews who have been here, be assembled before me.’ The Jews were gathered and Allah’s Messengersa said, ‘Will you now tell me the truth if I ask you about something?’ They replied, ‘Yes.’ He asked, ‘Have you poisoned this sheep?’ They said, ‘Yes.’ He asked, ‘What made you do that?’ They said, ‘We wanted to know if you were a liar in which case we would have got rid of you, and if you are a Prophet then the poison would not harm you.’” ( Sahih al-Bukhari, Kitab att-tibb, 5777)

Anasra reported, “A Jewess came to Allah’s Messenger sa with poisoned mutton and he took of that what had been brought to him. He called for her and asked her about that, whereupon she said, ‘I had determined to kill you.’ Thereupon he said, ‘Allah will never give you the power to do it.’” (Sahih Muslim, 2190a)

Abu Hurayrahra narrated, “When Khaybar was conquered, a (cooked) sheep containing poison, was given as a present to Allah’s Messenger sa.” (Sahih al-Bukhari, Kitab att-tibb, 4249)

When the Prophet sa had rested, Zaynab, the daughter of al-Harith, the wife of Sallam b. Mishkam prepared for him a roast lamb, having first inquired what joint he preferred. When she learned that it was the shoulder she put a lot of poison in it and poisoned the whole lamb. Then she brought it in and placed it before him. He took hold of the shoulder and chewed a morsel of it, but he did not swallow it. Bishrra b al-Bara’ b. Ma‘rur who was with him took some of it as the Prophet sa had done, but he swallowed it, while the Apostle sa spat it out, saying, ‘This bone tells me that it is poisoned.’ Then he called for the woman and she confessed, and when he asked her what had induced her to do this she answered: ‘You know what you have done to my people. I said to myself, ‘If he is a king I shall ease myself of him and if he is a Prophet he will be informed [of what I have done].’ So the Prophet sa let her off. Bishrra died from what he had eaten. (Life of Muhammad, Ibn Ishaq, Translated by A Guillaume, Oxford University Press Karachi, 1998, p. 516)
The Conquest of Khaybar occurred in 7 A.H. (Life of Muhammad, Ibn Ishaq, Translated by A Guillaume, Oxford University Press Karachi, 1998, p. 510)
Are you saying that the hadiths I quoted are Daif or Fabricated?

According to your literatures, was Mohammed not FINALLY poisoned by a Jewish woman?
Christianity Etc › Re: Who Deleted This Verse From The Perfectly Preserved Quran Of Muhammad? by TenQ(op): 10:47pm On Aug 05, 2023
Explore2xmore:
Clouds are formed when air contains as much water vapor (gas) as it can hold. This is called the saturation point, and it can be reached in two ways. First, moisture accumulates until it reaches the maximum amount the volume of air can hold. The other method reduces the temperature of the moisture filled air, which in turn lowers the amount of moisture it can contain. Saturation, therefore, is reached through evaporation and condensation, respectively. When saturation occurs, moisture becomes visible water droplets in the form of fog and clouds.

What Causes Hail?
Hail starts as liquid droplets of water that are pushed up, by an updraft, to a high enough elevation to begin freezing. There is a balance of forces at work - gravity and the updraft. As the hail stones become larger, they become too heavy for the updraft to support and gravity pulls them down to the surface.
The pushing up is done where or rather where are the clouds?

How Does Hail Form?
Hailstones begin as tiny ice nuclei when liquid droplets become frozen as the updraft of a thunderstorm forces them high enough into the atmosphere to freeze. The hailstones have to refreeze several times to grow large enough for gravity to pull them down to the surface.


Hail is associated with high, vertical cumulonimbus clouds, the kind of clouds that produce severe thunderstorms.
Just respond to the question and everything will be clear

Does the clouds contain hail according to the words of Allah ?
Christianity Etc › Re: Who Deleted This Verse From The Perfectly Preserved Quran Of Muhammad? by TenQ(op): 10:44pm On Aug 05, 2023
Explore2xmore:
Mr! what is the Water cycle?

The higher you go the cooler it becomes isn't it?
I asked two Scientific questions

1. Did the Qur'an say that in the Cloud mountain is hail?
2. Does every thick and tall clouds result in the hail falling ?


Does the clouds contain hail according to the words of Allah ?
Christianity Etc › Re: Allah NEVER Commanded Satan to Prostrate to Adam! by TenQ(op): 10:42pm On Aug 05, 2023
orisa37:
ADAM IS ONLY A FIXTURE OF THE LORD.
Can you please interpret?

Are you saying that satan is a messanger of God?
Christianity Etc › Re: Allah NEVER Commanded Satan to Prostrate to Adam! by TenQ(op): 10:41pm On Aug 05, 2023
orisa37:
GOD HIRES SATAN AND ONLY GOD CAN FIRE SATAN.
I am not sure I understand you.


I know that God gave satan freewill But ANYTHING satan does or plans to do only ULTIMATELY serves God's purpose.
Celebrities › Re: Pete Edochie Speaks On His Son, Yul Marrying A Second Wife by TenQ: 11:08am On Aug 05, 2023
IboHausaYoruba:
Pete is a man I respect so much. A very upright man. Yul is old enough to take decisions; right or wrong. He has his reasons for going polygamous. The first wife is just pained and being selfish. Our culture permits us to take as many wife as we want so far we are able to cater for them. Let's allow Yul breathe please.
May is selfish?

What of if it was May who committed adultery and decided to make the man her second husband?

Whatever law doesn't permit May doesn’t permit Yul. They are married under the civil law and it forbids both adultery and polygamy!

It was a breach of agreement on the side of Yul
Politics › Re: Why Senate Should Not Approve Military Action In Niger - Shehu Sani by TenQ: 9:27am On Aug 05, 2023
Penguin2:
Some people are urging Tinubu on, to invade Niger Republic. They call themselves patriots. And accuse every voice of reason that is telling them to abort mission as being unpatriotic.

They are so sure that Nigeria will obliterate Niger in few hours.

But these same people were so sure that Russia would finish off Ukraine in 72 hours but one year after, and Russia can’t point at one thing it has achieved in Ukraine. I’m sure the only reason Russia is still in Ukraine is because of pride.

Those opposing invasion of Niger are not being unpatriotic, we are actually the patriots. We have more pressing issues at home front as already enunciated by Chief Bode George. Let’s face those issues and leave Niger alone. If anything, the people seem to be happy. Let’s leave them to their destiny.

A word is enough for the wise.

https://twitter.com/shehusani/status/1687467601637642243?s=46&t=2AB_wrBea-oBYJf5ZCFV-A[/quote]Meaning..
The investment Buhari had made in Niger Republic need to be protected at all cost.
Christianity Etc › Re: Allah NEVER Commanded Satan to Prostrate to Adam! by TenQ(op): 6:23am On Aug 04, 2023

Allah emphatically says that he Commanded the Angels to Prostrate to Adam, how did it become a sir for Satan (Iblis), knowing that he's not an Angel (Iblis is a Jinn)



Qur'an 2:34-36
"And [mention] when We said to the angels, 'Prostrate before Adam,' so they prostrated, except for Iblis. He refused and was arrogant and became among the disbelievers. And We said, 'O Adam, dwell, you and your wife, in Paradise and eat therefrom in [ease and] abundance from wherever you will. But do not approach this tree, lest you be among the wrongdoers.' But Satan caused them to slip out of it and removed them from that [condition] in which they had been."


Qur'an 72:9
"And we used to sit therein in positions for hearing, but whoever listens now will find a burning flame lying in wait for him."


Introduction:
According to Islam
1. Allah created Angels from light, Jinns he created from fire and humans he created from mud.
2. Satan is not an Angel but a Jinn Qur'an 18:50
3. Adam and Eve were created and place in Paradise. Qur'an 2:35-36
4. Paradise is not on earth but in the 7th Heaven.
5. All the Angels were Commanded to Prostrate to Adam and they all did prostrate except Satan who didnt Qur'an 2:34
6. Satan was therefore cast out of heaven because of this disobedience to Allah
7. Satan tempted Adam and Eve to disobey Allah's command and eat from the forbidden tree Qur'an 2:35-36
8. Adam and Eve were punished by Allah by driving them out of paradise to the Earth. Qur'an 7:24



Questions:

2. Since Allah commanded only the Angels to bow and not the Jinns, why was it an offence for satan not bowing as the command was not to his kind?
(like Did Eve also prostrate to Adam?)
Christianity Etc › Re: Allah NEVER Commanded Satan to Prostrate to Adam! by TenQ(op): 7:18pm On Aug 03, 2023
b3llo:
Darkness and fire are compatible.
How?
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Did God Forsake Jesus? (pics) by TenQ: 7:14pm On Aug 03, 2023
Ohyoudidnt:
Failed assassination attempts against the Holy Prophet sa
A noteworthy point to make here about the isolated assassination attempt by poisoning at Khaybar is that this is not the only time the opponents tried to assassinate the Prophet Muhammadsa, in fact, there were many more failed attempts, some of which are as follows:

We find one attempt by the Jews to kill him when he was just an infant staying with Halima Sa’diyya. (Sunan Abi Dawud, 3004)

Abu Jahl plots to kill him but flees when angels intervene. (Ibn Ishaq’s Sirat Rasul Allah – The Life of Muhammad, trans. A. Guillaume, Oxford University Press, Seventeenth Impression, 2004, pp. 133ff.)

The people of Ta’if throw stones at Prophet sa, leaving him drenched in blood. He survives and the people of Ta’if accept Islam instead. (Sir Muhammad Zafrulla Khanra, Muhammad: The Seal of Prophets, Islam International Publications, 2012, p. 66)

Umar plots to kill the Prophet sa but instead accepts Islam and is now buried next to him. (Hazrat Mirza Bashiruddin Mahmud Ahmadra, Life of Muhammadsa, Islam International Publications, 2013, p. 38)

A party of disbelievers puts a cloth around the Prophet’s sa neck and drags him to kill him, however, this was intervened by his companions. (Ibid, p. 17)

The Meccan tribes try to kill the Prophet sa before he migrates to Medina. They wait outside his house all night, however, he has already left. (Ibid, p. 50)

A bounty is put on the head of the Prophet sa during the migration of Medina. Suraqahra b. Malik locates the Prophetsa, but rather than killing him, he eventually accepts Islam. (Ibid, p. 52)

The Prophet sa is confronted by a man with a sword while he is resting under a tree. The man says to the Prophetsa ‘Who will save you now?’. The Prophetsa replies ‘Allah’. Rather than killing him, the man drops his sword and becomes a supporter of Islam. (Rashid Choudhry, Stories from Early Islam, Islam International Publications, 1990, p. 121)

Banu Nadir appoint ‘Amr b. Jahsh to throw a boulder on the head of the Prophet sa from a cliff. The Prophet sa is informed by Angel Gabrielas about this, and their plan fails. (William Muir, The life of Mahomet and history of Islam to the era of the Hegira, Vol. 4, 1861, Smith, Elder & Co., p. 308)

A hypocrite plans to kill the Prophet sa: Ibn Hajar states, “Ibn ‘Abd al-Barr mentioned in his Kitab ad-Durar that the Prophet sa passed by him while he was intent on suddenly attacking him, and so the Prophetsa asked, ‘What are you thinking about?’ He said, ‘Nothing. I was engaged in the remembrance of Allah.’ The Prophet sa laughed and said, ‘I seek forgiveness from Allah for you’ then placed his hand on his chest. ‘Fadala said, ‘By Allah, he had not even lifted his hand from my chest until I did not find anyone more beloved to me on the face of the earth than him.’” (Sharh Sahih al-Bukhari, Book 93, Hadith 599)

The botched assassination attempt of ‘Aqaba 9 AH mentioned in Dala’il an-Nubuwwah, al-Bayhaqi, V. 5, p. 256, Dar-ul-Isha‘ah, Karachi, 2009)

The failed attack on the Prophet sa in the valley of Hunayn. The Prophetsa returned stating: ‘I am the Prophet, there is no untruth about it’. (Sahih al-Bukhari, Kitab al-maghazi, 4316)

And finally, the poisoning attempt at Khaybar.
These are just but a few failed attempts at the life of the Holy Prophet Muhammadsa. Can anyone, after reading this, stand up and say that God did not indeed protect the Prophet sa?

We will now investigate the main point of discussion, i.e., no. 13, which inevitably has the same outcome as the 12 before it.

The isolated case of the poisoning attempt at Khaybar
Like all the incidents above, this incident also testifies only to the truth that indeed God was with the Holy Prophet sa.

Let us now delve into the sources.

Everything hinges on a series of varied narrations found in the books of Hadith regarding the incident of Khaybar in which the Holy Prophet sa was presented with some poisoned meat. This event took place in 6/7 AH. The various narrations are as follows:

Abu Hurayrahra narrated, “When Khaybar was conquered, a roasted poisoned sheep was presented to the Prophetsa as a gift [by the Jews]. Allah’s Messenger sa said, ‘Let all the Jews who have been here, be assembled before me.’ The Jews were gathered and Allah’s Messengersa said, ‘Will you now tell me the truth if I ask you about something?’ They replied, ‘Yes.’ He asked, ‘Have you poisoned this sheep?’ They said, ‘Yes.’ He asked, ‘What made you do that?’ They said, ‘We wanted to know if you were a liar in which case we would have got rid of you, and if you are a Prophet then the poison would not harm you.’” ( Sahih al-Bukhari, Kitab att-tibb, 5777)

Anasra reported, “A Jewess came to Allah’s Messenger sa with poisoned mutton and he took of that what had been brought to him. He called for her and asked her about that, whereupon she said, ‘I had determined to kill you.’ Thereupon he said, ‘Allah will never give you the power to do it.’” (Sahih Muslim, 2190a)

Abu Hurayrahra narrated, “When Khaybar was conquered, a (cooked) sheep containing poison, was given as a present to Allah’s Messenger sa.” (Sahih al-Bukhari, Kitab att-tibb, 4249)

When the Prophet sa had rested, Zaynab, the daughter of al-Harith, the wife of Sallam b. Mishkam prepared for him a roast lamb, having first inquired what joint he preferred. When she learned that it was the shoulder she put a lot of poison in it and poisoned the whole lamb. Then she brought it in and placed it before him. He took hold of the shoulder and chewed a morsel of it, but he did not swallow it. Bishrra b al-Bara’ b. Ma‘rur who was with him took some of it as the Prophet sa had done, but he swallowed it, while the Apostle sa spat it out, saying, ‘This bone tells me that it is poisoned.’ Then he called for the woman and she confessed, and when he asked her what had induced her to do this she answered: ‘You know what you have done to my people. I said to myself, ‘If he is a king I shall ease myself of him and if he is a Prophet he will be informed [of what I have done].’ So the Prophet sa let her off. Bishrra died from what he had eaten. (Life of Muhammad, Ibn Ishaq, Translated by A Guillaume, Oxford University Press Karachi, 1998, p. 516)
The Conquest of Khaybar occurred in 7 A.H. (Life of Muhammad, Ibn Ishaq, Translated by A Guillaume, Oxford University Press Karachi, 1998, p. 510)
Are you saying that ALL the hadiths I quoted are Fabricated?
They were EVIDENCES FROM ISLAMIC SOURCES!

If Mohammed says he was killed by poison, what should be the response of the rest of us?

Your preferred Narrative is Not in Line with Evidences from your literatures!
Christianity Etc › Re: Learn Arabic Within Six Months by TenQ: 7:06pm On Aug 03, 2023
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Christianity Etc › Re: Allah NEVER Commanded Satan to Prostrate to Adam! by TenQ(op): 6:52pm On Aug 03, 2023
I think Drlateef and honesttalk21 has answered two Questions out of the three questions I asked successfully.
Can we confirm that the questions are properly understood by me according to Islamic doctrine?

Questions 1:
1. If only Satan (Iblis) alone did not bow down to Adam according to God's command, Why Did Allah drive out the other Jinns to the Earth or are the other Jinns still in paradise ?

Answer:
If I understand you correctly (and with my own studies) ,
Allah did not drive out both Iblis nor the Jinn from heaven. Jinns could move between the earth and the heavens at will before
UNTIL
The time of Mohammed when the Jinn were prevented from entering the heavens by stoning them with shooting stars.


Iblis was of the jinn: could therefore mean
A. Iblis was in the company of other Jinn with the angels (who prostrated to Adam) but he didnt
B. Iblis was of the kind Jinn (which could mean that he wasn't with other Jinn in paradise)


Questions 3:
3. If Iblis was chased out of Paradise for not prostrating to Adam, when did he go back to tempt Adam and Eve? (as we know that satan cannot near heaven again because of the shooting stars from Allah)
Note: that Allah created shooting stars as missiles to chase out the Jinn from heaven.

Answer:
The Jinns were allowed to come to heaven from the earth at will before the time of Mohammed when they were prevented by stoning them with shooting stars.

This would mean that after the disobedience of Iblis, he still had access to paradise to see to deceiving Adam and Eve


Can we confirm that the questions are properly understood by me according to Islamic doctrine?

Thank you
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Christianity Etc › Re: Allah NEVER Commanded Satan to Prostrate to Adam! by TenQ(op): 6:31pm On Aug 03, 2023
drlateef:
Allah created this earth for jinn and mankind. He made the earth an abode for jinns. They have their own community and they occupy space just like fire occupies space. But we cannot see them. If we hurt them by pouring water on them, they can attack us back in revenge. They see us, but we cannot see them. Some of them are more spiritual strong than others. Some can fly at speed of light while others cannot fly and move about in dirty places, on mountains and valleys etc. The ones that can fly have their limit at the gate of first heaven. That’s where they are pelted to move back to earth. Satan was living among angels and when Allah gave command, Iblis was not excluded from that command. But he had ability to disobey unlike angels. Because jinns have freewill to do and undo like humans. After disobeying Allah he was excluded from among the angels. But human nature is made possible for jinns to whisper in their hearts. Iblis whispered into the hearts of Adam and Eve, not physically present as humans cannot see jinns and angels in their true forms.
I guess I understand you except that the Quran says
Quran 18:50
And (remember) when We said unto the angels: Fall prostrate before Adam, and they fell prostrate, all save Iblis. He was of the jinn, so he rebelled against his Lord's command. Will ye choose him and his seed for your protecting friends instead of Me, when they are an enemy unto you? Calamitous is the exchange for evil-doers.



Two things we can see here
1. Iblis was one of the Jinn
2. Iblis has Children (who should also be Jinn)

This raises some Important Issues
1. If Iblis was of the Jinn then he was just one of many Jinn
2. If Iblis has children, then we can assume they are figurative children otherwise we shall run into two problems
A. Who is the wife of Iblis?
B. If Iblis actually fathered offsprings , we run into another problem because Allah says such is not even possible with him.

Quran 6:101
To Him is due the primal origin of the heavens and the earth: How can He have a son when He hath no consort? He created all things, and He hath full knowledge of all things.


Do we agree that the children of Iblis are figurative and not literal?

If you don't agree then you may have to bring an evidence from your scholars that Iblis actually fathered directly all the Jinn.

NOTE:
I am aware that as Muslims, you believe that Jinn are male and female and they can reproduce other Jinn sexually





The bone of contention is very simple

1. Allah made a command to Angels
2. Iblis was not an Angel
3. I assume that Allah is precise in Speech else he would have said:

"I said to my creatures in Heaven, bow down to Adam but Iblis did not"!

Like this, there would be no iota of argument as creatures in Heaven cover every creature that were in Heaven.
But Allah specifically claimed to speak to the Angels not to Iblis.

Suppose in a graduating ceremony where I was just a spector sat down and the instruction came:
"Would all graduands stand up and walk toward the podium?"
I

Can I include myself in that instruction?
Christianity Etc › Re: Who Deleted This Verse From The Perfectly Preserved Quran Of Muhammad? by TenQ(op): 4:43pm On Aug 03, 2023
Explore2xmore:
I am Muslim.

I don't do enough study of Islam but am still learning
I know you are a Muslim : Qur'an-Only Muslims are a special class of Muslims.

This is the Question I ask!

Are you a Qur'an-Only Muslim?
Christianity Etc › Re: Who Deleted This Verse From The Perfectly Preserved Quran Of Muhammad? by TenQ(op): 4:41pm On Aug 03, 2023
Explore2xmore:
Refuting Idolatry, Al-Lat and Al-`Uzza
Allah the Exalted rebukes the idolators for worshipping idols and taking rivals to Him. They built houses for their idols to resemble
(Have you then considered Al-Lat,) Al-Lat was a white stone with inscriptions on. There was a house built around Al-Lat in At-Ta'if with curtains, servants and a sacred courtyard around it. The people of At-Ta'if, the tribe of Thaqif and their allies, worshipped Al-Lat. They would boast to Arabs, except the Quraysh, that they had Al-Lat. Ibn Jarir said, "They derived Al-Lat's name from Allah's Name, and made it feminine. Allah is far removed from what they ascribe to Him.

Ibn Kathir
Did Allah explain all these in the Qur'an or you are referring to your scholars hadiths and commentries of the Qur'an.

If your answer is yes!
Please quote the verses.
If your answer is no!
Then why do you throw your scholars under the bust when the speak bitter truths to you?


Are you a Qur'an-Only Muslim?
Christianity Etc › Re: Who Deleted This Verse From The Perfectly Preserved Quran Of Muhammad? by TenQ(op): 4:36pm On Aug 03, 2023
Stages of Hail Formation
Hail is formed through a complex process that involves strong updrafts in thunderstorms and the presence of supercooled water droplets in the atmosphere. Here's a simplified explanation of how hail is formed:

1. Updrafts in Thunderstorms
Thunderstorms contain powerful updrafts, which are strong vertical winds that carry warm, moist air upward. As this warm air rises, it cools down due to the decreasing atmospheric pressure at higher altitudes.

2. Condensation and Freezing:
As the warm air rises, it cools down to the point where it reaches its dew point. At the dew point, water vapor in the air condenses into water droplets around tiny particles called condensation nuclei. These nuclei can be dust, pollen, or other particles present in the atmosphere. If the temperature continues to drop, these water droplets can further freeze into small ice pellets called graupel.

3. Growth of Hailstones:
In strong updrafts, the graupel is lifted back into the upper, colder part of the cloud. There, it encounters supercooled water droplets, which are liquid water droplets that remain in a liquid state below the freezing point due to the absence of nucleation sites. These supercooled water droplets freeze upon contact with the graupel, causing it to grow into a hailstone.

4. Layers of Ice:
The hailstone can be carried up and down multiple times within the storm by the updrafts and downdrafts. During each trip through the supercooled water region, more layers of ice form on the hailstone, making it larger and heavier.

5. Hailstone Falls:
When the hailstone becomes too heavy for the updrafts to support, it falls to the ground as hail. The size of the hailstone can vary, ranging from small pellets to large, golf-ball-sized or even larger hailstones.

The formation of hail requires specific conditions within a thunderstorm, and not every thunderstorm produces hail. The process of hail formation can lead to severe weather events, causing damage to crops, vehicles, and buildings if the hailstones are large and numerous.
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Rain, snow and hailstones fall from the clouds.

Precipitation are all liquid and solid water particles that fall from clouds and reach the ground.
Qur'an 24:43
Seest thou not that Allah makes the clouds move gently, then joins them together, then makes them into a heap? - then wilt thou see rain issue forth from their midst. And He sends down from the sky mountain wherein is hail: He strikes therewith whom He pleases and He turns it away from whom He pleases, the vivid flash of His lightning well-nigh blinds the sight.



1. Did the Qur'an say that in the Cloud mountain is hail?
2. Does every thick and tall clouds result in the hail falling ?

Hail is NOT in the clouds sir as said in the Quran A combination of low temperature and water condescension that freezes supercooled water into hail that fall when the updrafts of air cannot lift it up again.


Layman Sequence of Hail Formation
When the warm water vapour of the earth rises into the clouds precipitate, it forms rain.
As the rain fall, if the temperature of air is cold enough to freeze the water coming down as rain, it freezes and coagulates.
This frozen water is called hail sir.


The more you press this, the more difficult it becomes.

Hail is NOT in the clouds sir.
It is water condensate that freezes that becomes hail and only in special circumstances


Please let's stop this sir

Or I will also force you to explain how the sun daily prostrate under the throne of Allah?!
Christianity Etc › Re: Who Deleted This Verse From The Perfectly Preserved Quran Of Muhammad? by TenQ(op): 3:59pm On Aug 03, 2023
Explore2xmore:
You know Surah 22 is Surah Hajj?
22:52
Whenever We sent a messenger or a prophet before you ˹O Prophet˺ and he recited ˹Our revelations˺, Satan would influence ˹people’s understanding of˺ his recitation. But ˹eventually˺ Allah would eliminate Satan’s influence. Then Allah would ˹firmly˺ establish His revelations. And Allah is All-Knowing, All-Wise.
22:53
All that so He may make Satan’s influence a trial for those ˹hypocrites˺ whose hearts are sick and those ˹disbelievers˺ whose hearts are hardened. Surely the wrongdoers are totally engrossed in opposition.


If the first meaning is taken, it will imply: Satan tried to prevent the fulfillment of his desire. If the second meaning is taken, it will imply: When the Prophet recited the Revelations, Satan created different sorts of doubts about its truth and meanings in the minds of the people.

* If the first meaning is adopted, it will imply: Allah fulfills the Prophet’s desire and makes his mission successful in spite of the obstacles of Satan and confirms the truth of His revelations by fulfilling His promises to the Prophet. In case of the second meaning, it will imply: Allah eradicates all the doubts and objections inspired by Satan in the hearts of the people and clarifies the confusion created about any verse of the Quran in subsequent revelations.
“Allah is All-Knower” and has full knowledge of the mischief worked by Satan and of its effects, and being All- Wise, He counteracts every mischief of Satan.*

You referred this to Quran 53 to prove your point or Jalalyn did? Even so, read Quran 53 and understand what is going on there for yourself please.
I have asked you this question several times now,
Are you a Qur'an-Only Muslim?
Christianity Etc › Re: Who Else Is Tempted By This Offer? : Please Indicate! by TenQ(op): 3:57pm On Aug 03, 2023
preciousee17:
Nah... Not yet, not ever!
It's too stupid to be true.
Of course too stupid to be true especially if you know the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

To those Ignorant, they keep on blowing up themselves for the transparent female big breasted demons called Houri
Christianity Etc › Re: Allah NEVER Commanded Satan to Prostrate to Adam! by TenQ(op): 3:54pm On Aug 03, 2023
drlateef:
Jinns are dwellers on earth from day 1. Iblis was admitted among the angels due to his level of devotion, long before Adam was created.
I agree with you as it seems plausible that the earth was created for the Jinn and thus the earth had always been their dwelling place except that:

Jinns are not physical beings, thus would not need a physical space like the earth to dwell.
Exactly like Angels do not need physical space to dwell.


1. Could this mean that Allah created the earth for the Jinn and we humans are actually intruding in their habitat?
Knowing that Jinnare not physical beings, why would they need a physical habitat?

2. Shaitan could Freely go to paradise before his disobedience to Allah: how come none of the Jinn is allowed into the heavens again as they are stoned with shooting stars? What was their offence?

3. You didn't answer the questions :
A. Since Allah commanded only the Angels to bow and not the Jinns, why was it an offence for satan not bowing as the command was not to his kind? (like Did Eve also prostrate to Adam?)

B. If Iblis was chased out of Paradise for not prostrating to Adam, when did he go back to tempt Adam and Eve? (as we know that satan cannot near heaven again because of the shooting stars from Allah)

Thanks you sir
Christianity Etc › Re: Who Deleted This Verse From The Perfectly Preserved Quran Of Muhammad? by TenQ(op): 2:01pm On Aug 03, 2023
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Read and translate.

اَفَرَءَيۡتُمُ اللّٰتَ وَالۡعُزّٰىۙ‏ ﴿53:19﴾ وَمَنٰوةَ الثَّالِثَةَ الۡاُخۡرٰى‏ ﴿53:20﴾ اَلَـكُمُ الذَّكَرُ وَلَهُ الۡاُنۡثٰى‏ ﴿53:21﴾ تِلۡكَ اِذًا قِسۡمَةٌ ضِيۡزٰى‏ ﴿53:22﴾ اِنۡ هِىَ اِلَّاۤ اَسۡمَآءٌ سَمَّيۡتُمُوۡهَاۤ اَنۡتُمۡ وَاٰبَآؤُكُمۡ مَّاۤ اَنۡزَلَ اللّٰهُ بِهَا مِنۡ سُلۡطٰنٍ​ؕ اِنۡ يَّتَّبِعُوۡنَ اِلَّا الظَّنَّ وَمَا تَهۡوَى الۡاَنۡفُسُ​ۚ وَلَقَدۡ جَآءَهُمۡ مِّنۡ رَّبِّهِمُ الۡهُدٰىؕ‏ ﴿53:23﴾
Qur'an 53:19-23
"Have you then considered Al-Lat and Al-'Uzza, and Manat, the third - the other one? Is the male for you and for Him the female? That then is an unjust division. They are not but [mere] names you have named them - you and your forefathers - for which Allah has sent down no authority. They follow not except assumption and what [their] souls desire, and there has already come to them from their Lord guidance."

1. Can you show me from the Qur'an alone who Al-Lat and Al-'Uzza, and Manat are?
2. From the Qur'an alone, what is the interpretation of " Is the male for you and for Him the female? "

Without these other books you are throwing under the bus, is it possible to understand this Qur'an?

Again:
Even though this is your preferred Narrative, your early Islamic Scholars such as
Ibn Ishaq,
Al-Jalalyn,
At-Suyuti
Al-Tabari
Ibn Sa'd,
Ibn Hisham
Al Waqidi et al. say quite the opposite.

Who do you advise I believe?

Please let's close this chapter. I appreciate your input sir.
Christianity Etc › Re: Allah NEVER Commanded Satan to Prostrate to Adam! by TenQ(op): 1:39pm On Aug 03, 2023
PsychoTheRapist:
Why Adulterate the bible to make another book(whose name I will not mention) which some of its passages are quoted above?

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If they had copied well, the three questions I asked would have been unnecessary

Questions:
1. If only Satan (Iblis) alone did not bow down to Adam according to God's command, Why Did Allah drive out the other Jinns to the Earth or are the other Jinns still in paradise ?

2. Since Allah commanded only the Angels to bow and not the Jinns, why was it an offence for satan not bowing as the command was not to his kind? (like Did Eve also prostrate to Adam?)

3. If Iblis was chased out of Paradise for not prostrating to Adam, when did he go back to tempt Adam and Eve? (as we know that satan cannot near heaven again because of the shooting stars from Allah)
Note: that Allah created shooting stars as missiles to chase out the Jinn from heaven.


The created an inexistent problem for themselves with their Narrative
Christianity Etc › Re: Who Else Is Tempted By This Offer? : Please Indicate! by TenQ(op): 1:15pm On Aug 03, 2023
If you are the Son of God, come down from the cross!


Boo hoo!
We've heard it all before!

Cry cry wailing baby!
Christianity Etc › Re: Who Else Is Tempted By This Offer? : Please Indicate! by TenQ(op): 1:11pm On Aug 03, 2023
Maynman:
Challenge your god to stop malaria, it kills over hundred people especially children in Nigeria everyday.
Let’s see if your Israelite god can stop a fly grin

Useless slave with a useless dummy he calls yahweh
Your tantrum is pitiful like a toddler going on rampage.
I thought you have a semblance of sanity in you unfortunately, you don't.

Just repeat what you've just said or play it back to yourself

Let me do with you what one should do to a naughty dirty tiny toddler like you.: IGNOR him and let him wail alone without Shame!

Sorry. Go treat yourself
Christianity Etc › Re: Who Else Is Tempted By This Offer? : Please Indicate! by TenQ(op): 1:04pm On Aug 03, 2023
Maynman:
Only a jewish slave will love his bondage. Your demons start and ends in Christianity, it’s all in your HEAD, i pity those you will indoctrinate with it

Shame on you and your creator.
Let me challenge you as a man presuming that you are not a coward.

Kindly state what did I called or interpreted paradise to be in this post?

Please Quote me properly!

Only Cowards wouldn't be able to do this!
Christianity Etc › Re: Allah NEVER Commanded Satan to Prostrate to Adam! by TenQ(op): 1:00pm On Aug 03, 2023
I seek you knowledge and it's not a fight please!
Christianity Etc › Allah NEVER Commanded Satan to Prostrate to Adam! by TenQ(op):
If only Satan (Iblis) alone did not bow down to Adam according to God's command, Why Did Allah drive out the other Jinns to the Earth?

What Was The Offence Of The Jinns Of Islam?

Qur'an 2:34-36
"And [mention] when We said to the angels, 'Prostrate before Adam,' so they prostrated, except for Iblis. He refused and was arrogant and became among the disbelievers. And We said, 'O Adam, dwell, you and your wife, in Paradise and eat therefrom in [ease and] abundance from wherever you will. But do not approach this tree, lest you be among the wrongdoers.' But Satan caused them to slip out of it and removed them from that [condition] in which they had been."


Qur'an 72:9
"And we used to sit therein in positions for hearing, but whoever listens now will find a burning flame lying in wait for him."


Introduction:
According to Islam
1. Allah created Angels from light, Jinns he created from fire and humans he created from mud.
2. Satan is not an Angel but a Jinn Qur'an 18:50
3. Adam and Eve were created and place in Paradise. Qur'an 2:35-36
4. Paradise is not on earth but in the 7th Heaven.
5. All the Angels were Commanded to Prostrate to Adam and they all did prostrate except Satan who didnt Qur'an 2:34
6. Satan was therefore cast out of heaven because of this disobedience to Allah
7. Satan tempted Adam and Eve to disobey Allah's command and eat from the forbidden tree Qur'an 2:35-36
8. Adam and Eve were punished by Allah by driving them out of paradise to the Earth. Qur'an 7:24



Questions:
1. If only Satan (Iblis) alone did not bow down to Adam according to God's command, Why Did Allah drive out the other Jinns to the Earth or are the other Jinns still in paradise ?

2. Since Allah commanded only the Angels to bow and not the Jinns, why was it an offence for satan not bowing as the command was not to his kind? (like Did Eve also prostrate to Adam?)

3. If Iblis was chased out of Paradise for not prostrating to Adam, when did he go back to tempt Adam and Eve? (as we know that satan cannot near heaven again because of the shooting stars from Allah)
Note: that Allah created shooting stars as missiles to chase out the Jinn from heaven.


Please let's make the answers short, direct and precise
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Christianity Etc › Re: Who Else Is Tempted By This Offer? : Please Indicate! by TenQ(op): 12:48pm On Aug 03, 2023
Maynman:
Illiterate, your heaven and Muslims heaven is the same, so as your hell too from gehenna.
Muslims call it Jahannam.

a conquered slave loves his jewish bondage.
Only a demonised person wouldn't be able to answer my question!

Too bad!
I suspected this was your case
Christianity Etc › Re: Who Deleted This Verse From The Perfectly Preserved Quran Of Muhammad? by TenQ(op): 12:45pm On Aug 03, 2023
Explore2xmore:
Of course you cannot discern from the translations of the meaning of these verses written.

What are Uzza, Lat and Manna aren't they female pagan gods?

Did the Pagan arabians commit infanticide?

Is there a prostration at the end of Surah Najm?

Are there verses in the Quran where prostration (sujud) is practiced?

Mr airplane cleaner that stumbled on a book talking about how to start and fly an airplane not knowing how to land was in another book.

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Even though this is your preferred Narrative, your early Islamic Scholars such as
Ibn Ishaq,
Al-Jalalyn,
At-Suyuti
Al-Tabari
Ibn Sa'd,
Ibn Hisham
Al Waqidi et al. say quite the opposite.

Even Imam Bukhari's hadith say opposite

Sahih Bukhari 6:60:385
Narrated Ibn Abbas: The Prophet performed a prostration when he finished reciting Surat-an-Najm, and all the Muslims and pagans and Jinns and human beings prostrated along with him.







Who do you advise I believe?

Please let's close this chapter. I appreciate your input sir.
Christianity Etc › Re: Who Else Is Tempted By This Offer? : Please Indicate! by TenQ(op): 12:01pm On Aug 03, 2023
Maynman:
Illiterate, paradise and garden mean same thing
Heaven means sky from shamayin.

Shake your head for your isrealite god
To Prove you dumbness, what did I call or interpret paradise to be?

Please Quote me properly!

Only a demonised person wouldn't be able to do this
Christianity Etc › Re: Who Else Is Tempted By This Offer? : Please Indicate! by TenQ(op): 11:56am On Aug 03, 2023
Maynman:
Illiterate, paradise and garden mean same thing
Heaven means sky from shamayin.

Shake your head for your isrealite god
So Paradise mean Garden in the Heaven Sky !?

SMH!

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