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FxMasterz:
He was a possessed man. If he were alive today, we would be conducting deliverance for him or else he would be in jail for terrorising people, robbery and defiling innocent children.

Schizophrenia most likely on top of Demonic possession.

For Almost a year he was under full demonic control


Sahih Muslim: Book 26, Hadith 5426:
Narrated by Aisha: "The Messenger of Allah was affected by magic, so much so that he began imagining that he had done something when he had not. One day he said: 'O Aisha! Do you know that Allah has instructed me concerning the matter I asked Him about?' Two men came to me and one of them sat by my head and the other by my feet, and then the one asked the other: 'What is wrong with the man?' The latter replied: 'He is under the effect of magic.'"

This was how he imagined one Jibril and imagined going to paradise on a mule and instead of Muslims taking him for deliverance, they were drooling under his imaginations!

FxMasterz:
Which Allah are you praying to? The one that sent you to kill infidels? He can't save. If he could, he wouldn't send you to kill!

You're asking me to quote a well known verse where Mohammed claimed his aorta was being cut? Let me call on TenQ and Advocatejare to give you the verse. Keep on deceiving yourself.

You're not the one to tell me whether what Jesus did for me are lies or truth. I'm a recipient of His love. I know what I received.

Did Deuteronomy say that no man 'Can' die for another man? Liar! Quote the verse, let's expose you!

EVIDENCE FROM ISLAMIC SOURCES
But then, How did Mohammed Die?
A little History:
Zaynab bint Al-Harith was a Jewish woman who attempted to assassinate
Muhammad by poisoning after the battle of Khaybar after their defeat
fat the hands of the Muslims. In the course of negotiating the terms
of surrender, Zaynab volunteered to cook a lamb for Mohammed.
Mohammed took some of the lamb meat and chewed a morsel of it, but he
did not swallow it. Bishr b. al-Bara b. Ma’rur who was with him took
some of it as the apostle had done, but he swallowed it, while the apostle spat it out, saying, ‘This bone tells me that it is poisoned.’ Bishr became paralised and died shortly after.

Zaynab's Motivation:'
The Messenger of God called Zaynab, and said, "Did you poison the shoulder?" She said, "Who told you?" He replied, "The shoulder." She said, "Yes." He asked, "What persuaded you to do that?" She said, "You
killed my father, my uncle and my husband. You took from my people what you took. I said to myself: If he is a prophet he will be
informed. The sheep will inform him of what I did. If he is a king, we will be relieved of him."

From that time, Mohammed's health deteriorated badly and died with no
one able to help him recover.
Contrary to some modern Muslims recent narratives, here is what

Mohammed himself said:
Mohammed's Testimony:
1. Sahih al-Bukhari 4428
Narrated 'Aisha: The Prophet in his ailment in which he died, used to say, "O 'Aisha! I still feel the pain caused by the food I ate at Khaibar, and at this time, I feel as if my aorta is being cut from that poison."

2. Sahih al-Bukhari 2617: Book 51, Hadith 49
Narrated Anas bin Malik:
A Jewess brought a poisoned (cooked) sheep for the Prophet (ﷺ) who ate from it. She was brought to the Prophet and he was asked, "Shall we kill her?" He said, "No." I continued to see the effect of the poison on the palate of the mouth of Allah's Messenger

3. Sunan Abi Dawud 4512 : Book 41, Hadith 19
Narrated Abu Hurairah:
.....
This version adds: So a Jewess presented him at Khaybar with a roasted sheep which she had poisoned. The Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) ate of it and the people also ate.
He then said: Take away your hands (from the food), for it has informed me that it is poisoned. Bishr ibn al-Bara' ibn Ma'rur
al-Ansari died.
So he (the Prophet) sent for the Jewess (and said to her): What motivated you to do the work you have done?
She said: If you were a prophet, it would not harm you; but if you were a king, I should rid the people of you. The Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) then ordered regarding her and she was killed.
He then said about the pain of which he died: I continued to feel pain from the morsel which I had eaten at Khaybar.
This is the time when it has cut off my
aorta.

Ss

Hhh

FxMasterz:
Mohammed's most cherished activity on earth was sex. He loved sex so much and was fantasising about it in heaven. He was even fantasising about a 72-some! Hahaha.

Imagine when your fantasy about sex extend to being the one to marry and deflower Mary the mother of Jesus in your paradise.

Why does this Mohammed want innocent children and pure virgin women?

Maynman:
You are the dumb one.

Illiterate, paradise and garden mean same thing

What do you even understand by the word muslims?

So Paradise mean Garden in Heaven!?

SMH!

Explore2xmore:
Read these verses that you hold on to as Satanic and use your senses hopefully you have enough to discern.

52:19:So have you considered al-Lat and al-'Uzza?

20:And Manat, the third - the other one?

21:Is the male for you and for Him the female?

22: That, then, is an unjust division.

23: They are not but [mere] names you have named them - you and your forefathers - for which Allah has sent down no authority. They follow not except assumption and what [their] souls desire, and there has already come to them from their Lord guidance.


Are you aware of the Pagan practice of ignorance and killing the female child at birth?

In these verses, Allah is telling the disbelievers to think logically about their ridiculous beliefs. They used to value sons more than daughters, but then attributed daughters to Allah! What sense does that make? Does God have something they considered inferior, and they had the superior thing? It doesn’t make sense.

Then, Allah concludes by stating that these idols are nothing but invented names that their ancestors came up with.

Even though this is your preferred Narrative, your early Islamic Scholars such as
Ibn Ishaq,
Al-Jalalyn,
At-Suyuti
Al-Tabari
Ibn Sa'd,
Ibn Hisham
Al Waqidi et al. say quite the opposite.

Even Imam Bukhari's hadith say opposite

Sahih Bukhari 6:60:385
Narrated Ibn Abbas: The Prophet performed a prostration when he finished reciting Surat-an-Najm, and all the Muslims and pagans and Jinns and human beings prostrated along with him.






Who do you advise I believe?

Please let's close this chapter. I appreciate your input sir.

Maynman:
Illiterate, The “islamic paradise” is called garden too.
Your knowledge of your own religion is pitiful and embarrassing.
You and Muslims are worshipping the same gods, y’all use tanakh as bases lol

Why are you this dumb?

The paradise of Christians and Jews is a GARDEN on Earth
BUT
The paradise of Muslims is a GARDEN in Heaven.

But you either don't know or you are playing the fool.

Maynman:
Heaven means sky, from Shamayin.

You think there is garden in heaven? 😂😂

Your knowledge of Islam is pitifully and regretfully miniscule.

The Islamic paradise is in the heavens and not on earth!

honesttalk21:
Why did Uthman burnt all?

How many times must you be told that he wanted unification of recitation in one dialect of Qureysh?

Now didn't the other forms of recitation still exist beyond this? How come he didn't burn these?

Uthman didn't burn Recitation, he burnt written copies of the Qur'an made from the recitations!

If the Recitations were perfect, why burn it's written form?
Please, let's end this here.

Thank you so much for your time sir. At least you have tried too.

Maynman:
Paradise means Garden.

A garden in Heaven or a garden on Earth?

FxMasterz:
If only Muslims can open their hearts and ask God to reveal Himself to them in all sincerity and honesty, they would find the truth. But the demon of Islam is so strong that once it received you, it takes a miracle for you to be delivered.

It's very clean and obvious that the main purpose of Islam is to hide away the salvation of Christ, and to keep men ignorant of the defeat Satan got on the cross.

I agree with you. The whole purpose of Islam was to provide a counterfeit alternative to the Messiah using every kind of greed men are susceptible to.

Unfortunately, only satan desires and craves to be worshipped not Yahweh the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob!

FxMasterz:
Lol.

Won't a three-some be a wonderful idea in the Islamic paradise.
Just imagine having a husband, his wife and Mohammed (it us halal is it pertains to Mohammed.
LOL!

To kill a rat by poison, you have to do it by convincing the rat that you love it. You then look for something deliciously tempting to them and you sprinkle a TINY dose of poison.

And the work is done. So is islam.
A religion of Deceit and Deception designed to send billions to hell

honesttalk21:
Copies of what is recited
as you can't see what they have in memory or can you?
Told you earlier you can find these in Turkey at the Topkapı Palace and the Museum of Turkish-Islamic Arts in Istanbul, there are mushafs from Uthman and Ali's period. One of them was handwritten by Uthman, and the other two by Ali. Re-read the thread as you have forgotten.


You can also find Uthman's quran with the
Muslim Board of Uzbekistan.

honesttalk21:
Can you provide proof of this claim,

The proof:
Why did Uthman burnt all other Qur'an other than his if they were perfect?

Explore2xmore:
With regard to Tafseer al-Jalaalayn (by Jalaal ad-Deen as-Suyooti and Jalaal ad-Deen al-Muhalli), it is a good tafseer and summary, but it is not free of some shortcomings, especially with regard to the attributes of Allah and matters of ‘aqeedah (belief), in which it follows the madhhab of the Ash‘aris.

The tale of Gharaniq was mentioned by many scholars of Tafsir (explanation of the meanings of the Qur’an) in their interpretation of Allah’s Saying (the meanings of which are translated as), Never did We send a Messenger or a Prophet before you but when he did recite the revelation or narrated or spoke, Shaitân (Satan) threw (some falsehood) in it. (Surah Al-Hajj, 22: 52), and in the Tafsir of Allah’s Saying, Have you then considered Al-Lât, and Al-‘Uzzâ (two idols of the pagan Arabs) And Manât (another idol of the pagan Arabs), the other third? It was narrated through many chains of narration with different wordings.However, all of them are Mursal (with no Companion of the Prophet in the chain of narration), and were never reported through authentic chains of narration, as mentioned by Al-Hafizh ibn Kathir (may Allah be merciful to him) in his Tafsir. After he mentioned this tale through all its chains of narration, he said, “However, all of them are Mursal and disconnected.”

Ibn Khuzaymah said that this tale was fabricated by the Zanadiqah (Heretics); it was also denied by Abu Bakr ibn Al-‘Araby, Al-Qadi ‘Iyad and others, who disapproved of both its Sanad (chain of narrators) and Matn (the text). As for the Sanad, it is due to the above-mentioned reasons. As for the Matn, it is due to what was stated by Ibn Al-‘Araby that when Allah (Exalted be He) sends the Angel to His Messenger, He instills in him (His Messenger) the knowledge that it is the Angel who sends down Wahy (Revelation) to him; Satan can never put on his lips words, which throw him into confusion, and so he recites them as Qur’an. As there is Ijma‘ (unanimous consensus) on the infallibility of the Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him) and the impossibility of his committing Shirk (associating others with Allah in His Divinity or worship), he could not have said these words by mistake, or thinking that they were Qur’an. He could not have preferred pleasing his people over pleasing his Lord, which made him wish that Allah would not reveal anything to him that might displease them. Moreover, the evidence used to prove the authenticity of this tale, which is inferred from Allah’s saying, Verily, they were about to tempt you away from that which We have revealed (the Qur’ân) unto you (O Muhammad صلى الله عليه و سلم), to fabricate something other than it against Us (Surah Al-Isra’, 17: 73) certainly does not prove its authenticity. Rather, it proves the innocence of the Prophet (peace be upon him) of the accusation of reciting these polytheistic words, as the Ayah indicates denial and negation, not affirmation.It is also evident that Satan merely threw some falsehood into his recitation, but he did put such polytheistic words on his tongue nor inspired these words inside him, which he actually recited, read, or uttered, whether inattentively, by mistake or on purpose, until Jibril (Gabriel) came and corrected him, and he (peace be upon him) grieved over what happened. It was not also proven that the Ayah was revealed to console the Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him) for what he was afflicted with according to this tale, to prop up such an interpretation with all the errors that it contains.

The Jumhur (dominant majority) of Ahl-ul-Sunnah (those adhering to the Sunnah) agreed with Ibn Al-‘Araby on what he said. They stated that the meaning of the Ayah is: Never did Allah send a Messenger or a Prophet before you (O Muhammad) but when he did recite the revelation or narrated or spoke, a devil from among mankind or jinn would throw during his recitation or speech some false words spoken by that devil and heard by the attendants. Or the devil would whisper evil thoughts to the Kafirs (disbelievers) and hypocrites who thought them to be part of the Wahy, while they are not so. Allah then abolishes whatever words, whisperings or deception which Satan throws in and completely eliminates them, to establish the truth by His Words, for the Perfection of His Knowledge and Profound Wisdom. This is the Way of Allah with His Messengers, Prophets and their enemies, to fulfill the purpose of trying and testing mankind, so that the wicked is distinguished from the good; so that the Kafirs and hypocrites who are to be destroyed through their following the falsehood that Satan casts may be destroyed after a clear evidence, and the people of unwavering faith, whose hearts rest secure in Iman (belief), who are guided to the Straight Path, may live after clear evidence.

Thus, it becomes clear through the previously mentioned that the tale of Gharaniq is false. Satan does not have the power to thrust some falsehood into the mouth of the Prophet (peace be upon him) which he then recites or utters. Satan might have thrown some false words while the Prophet (peace be upon him) was reciting; words which were uttered by Satan and heard by the attendants, or Satan might have whispered some evil inspirations in the soul of the disbelievers and hypocrites, which they thought them to be part of the Wahy, while they are not. Allah then abolishes such Satanic sayings, eliminates misconception and establishes His revelations.

It also becomes clear that the opinion of Shaykh Muhammad ibn ‘Abdul-Wahab (may Allah be merciful to him) is the same of the Jumhur (dominant majority) of scholars, which holds that Satan has thrown some falsehood or evil whispering during recitation, but certainly not on the tongue of the Prophet (peace be upon him), or in his soul, or in the souls of the true believers. It was only in the ears of Kafirs, or inside their souls, which they thought to be part of the Qur’an. The wisdom of Allah entails that He destroys falsehood and establishes His revelations, so that the truth triumphs out of His Mercy to the people. Allah is All-Knowledgeable, All-Wise. The scholars of Islam are unanimously agreed on the infallibility of Messengers in all and everything that they convey from Allah (Glorified and Exalted be He) to mankind.

If I get your argument as per why you think the satanic verses are impossible for Mohammed to recite
1. Al-Suyuti and Ibn Ishaq are respected Muslims and doesn't have anything to gain by reporting Falsehood against their esteemed prophet Mohammed
2. Al-Jalalyn is a trusted Islamic scholar who should know better than modern Muslims about the authenticity of the historical accounts of Mohammed.
3. Ibn Khuzaymah who said that this tale was fabricated by the Heretics himself cannot be trusted as he was born in the 9th century the report of Al-Suyuti and Ibn Ishaq were from the 7th century. In other words Ibn Khuzaymah just like you modern Muslims is just trying to clean up the narrative of the satanic verses.
4. You Muslims on the other hand also say that Mohammed is an ordinary human being like you and me.


Finally, if we go by the argument that the satanic verses should be discarded on the basis of chains of Narrative,
1. Can we discard everything in Islam without a perfect chain of Narrative?
Is there any chain of Narrative between Jubril and Mohammed? Does this mean nothing of visitations exist?
2. What is the chain of Narrative proving the exact opposite with respect to the satanic verses?
3. Are you aware that other scholars like Al Tabari and Ibn Sa'd also wrote about the satanic verses. Are they also mistaken?
Do we modern Muslims know better than them? I can qive you quotations if you like from both of them.


My problem is that:
Anything we don't like about about the history of Islam, we want to erase it from history as fabrications.

Usually, when a history depicts weakness of the main character by historian emotionally involved, the story is most likely true. The history to doubt are the ones that are nice reports.

Example :
1. Prophet Muhammad's teeth were broken during the Battle of Uhud is most likely AUTHENTIC good chains of Narrative or not

2. Jesus being crucified stark naked on the cross on the hill by the Romans is most likely AUTHENTIC good chains of Narrative or not

Why?
These stories present the greatest icon in their religion in his most weakest and vulnerable state. There is nothing the story teller want to gain personally with the story.



Like I said earlier :
You have tried your best and you are indeed more knowledgeable that most here. We can have other times to study and chat on our different opinions with respect to our faith.


With Respect sir
I bow out of this discussion.
Thank you for your time with me.

Explore2xmore:
Within and without Mutah classification there are so many temporal marriage relations in the world today. This has little to do with Islam.

At least we agree that
1. Allah prescribed Mutah rather than castration before it was abrogated
2. it was Umar that finally banned Mutah.

We want to paint the foundation of Islam as beautiful and glorious unfortunately, in many instances it isn't. They are just human beings.

Mohammed kissed the back stone (a religious object of the polytheists) : if not because it is well documented in your books, we would have said that it is ALSO a fabrication

Explore2xmore:
I dare say you are not but a troublesome type. It is my life and the almighty will not bother you about my misdeeds; yours should be more than enough for you.

The Hafs qiraat of Abū ʽAmr Ḥafṣ ibn Sulaymān ibn al-Mughīrah ibn Abi Dawud al-Asadī al-Kūfī
came through his teacher Aasim ibn Abi al-Najud. This reading was according to Ali ibn Abi Taalib.

Ath-Thahabi stated in his book Al-Kaashif that Hafs ibn Sulaymaan was accurate as far as the recitation of the Quran is concerned. Ibn ʻAdiyy underlined in his book Al-Kaamil that the recitation of Hafs was more accurate than that of Shuʻbah who read according to ibn Masood.

The fact that scholars of Hadeeth declared Hafs a weak reporter in the field of Hadeeth does not undermine his great status in the field of Quran recitation.

Hadith have been called by some as "the backbone" of Islamic civilization, and for many the authority of hadith is a source for religious and moral guidance known as Sunnah, which ranks second only to that of the Quran.
So you see the Quran is most important.

Never will the Jews or Christians be pleased with you until you follow their way.

I don't need you to be pleased with me.
حَسْبُنَا اللَّهُ وَنِعْمَ الْوَكِيلُ

I raised the Issue of Hafs because you Muslims vehemently rejected the report of Ibn Ishaq because you claim he took a false hadith from a woman.
BUT
Now Hafs and his father is even worse of with Lies, Dishonesty and Fabrications according you Muslims yet you TOOK your Qur'an from his RECITATION!

Is this not hypocrisy and double standard?


Who am I!?
I am not striving to be pleased with you sir: I want you not to Reject the Messiah's gift for your Salvation. This you can do when you start with asking Questions and not swallowing line hook and sinker the preferred narratives of some people using Taqqiya on you. QED!

Start with:
Why would Allah send Jesus with such an attribute given to no human being on earth?
Did the Almighty Allah fail in his purpose?

The only reason we couldn't reach a consensus is not because of you as a person, it is because of conflicting reports in your religious literatures.


I'll like to beg you that we suspend this topic for now sir. It has been intellectually rewarding having time with you sir.

Thank you sir

Mr honesttalk21,
Let's call it a day as you have tried your best.

My only problem is to ask the question why a RECITATION of the Qur'an was taken over the WRITTEN copy of the Quran

Have a nice day sir!

honesttalk21:
Read this line of transmission.
Imam Hafs ibn Suleiman ibn al-Mughirah al-Asadi al-Kufi learned from Aasim ibn Abi al-Najud al-Kufi al-Tabi'i from Abu 'Abd al-Rahman al-Sulami from Uthman ibn Affan, Ali ibn Abu Talib, Ubayy ibn Ka'b, and Zaid ibn Thabit from Muhammad.

No problem!
This is not my argument.

Did not Uthman burn every other manuscript other than his own? Now you trace Hafs to Zaid ibn Thabit?

These are RECITATIONS not copies of Uthman's Qur'an. This is the bone of contention!

honesttalk21:
Of course your poor English comprehension equates most with all.
Still forgetting their memories weren't burnt. What are you studying or did you study? Hope you made a distinction as it seems you need to confirm what was written in your texts all tge time.

If Uthman during the time of the companions could not trust the memories of Muslim reciters, why do you think that suddenly 150 years after them the memory of Hafs should be trusted?

honesttalk21:
Do you have a copy of the bible from the 1st or 2nd century? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

There is no early writing material that can exist indefinitely what everyone uses (including the Qur'an or Bible) is COPIES of Copies.


All along, I've only asked you for the evidence of COPIES from the Qur'an of Abu Bakr or the Qur'an of Uthman.
Why use the RECITATION of Hafs if they exist?

honesttalk21:
Of course one who doesn't know arabic cannot see the verses of Baqarah in that video.

Contact Reid Moon to show you other Surah's in the Quran he displayed or are you scared your folly will be revealed?

You don't get the joke still?!

Surah Baqarah is probably the longest chapter in the Qur'an and are you saying one page represents it?

Why does it look like paradise is not for the Muslim woman?

What is their place in paradise?

I think some Muslims should educate us
1. If it is possible to get normal looking women in paradise and not these transparent women
2. If it is possible to request for a normal erection that would not be perpetual
3. What happens to the women. Are they not gaining anything in paradise?

Thank you

Explore2xmore:
“In the year of the battle at Awtās the Messenger of Allāh (ﷺ) allowed mut’ah (temporary) marriage for three days – and then he forbade it thereafter.”

Muslim no. 1405.

997 – 1: Narrated ‛Alee (radiyallaahu ‘anhu) that:

“Allāh’s Messenger (ﷺ) forbade mut‛ah in the year of the battle of Khaibar.”

Bukhāree (4216, 5524) and Muslim (1407).

997 – 2: Narrated ‛Alee (radiyallaahu ‘anhu) that:

“Allāh’s Messenger (ﷺ) forbade temporary marriage with women, and the eating of the meat of the domestic donkey on the day of the battle of Khaibar.”

Reported by the seven except Abu Dawood: (Bukhāree, 4216; Muslim, 1407; Ibn Mājah, 1961; At-Tirmidhee, 1121; An-Nasā’ee, 6/126, 7/202; Ahmad, 592)

997 – 3: Narrated Rabee’ Ibn Sabrah from his father that Allāh’s Messenger (ﷺ) said:

“I used to permit for you temporary marriage with women. And Allāh has now forbidden that until the Day of Resurrection. So if anyone has any of these women, he should let her go. And you are not to take back anything of what you have given them [as dowry or gifts].”

Reported by Muslim, 1406; Abu Dawood, 2072; An-Nasā’ee, 6/126; Ibn Mājah, 1962; Ahmad, 15345; and Ibn Hibbān, 4147.

Shaikh Sālih al-Fawzān (hafidhahullāh) said:
All of these narrations are concerning the forbiddance of temporary marriage (mut’ah); it is from the invalid types of marriage.

Mut’ah: is that a man marries a woman for a fixed known term – so when this fixed term comes to an end, so does the marriage contract without the need for the pronouncement of talāq (divorce). This type of marriage did not obligate maintenance, nor ascription of any children to the husband, nor inheritance – it was from the types of marriage in the days of pre-Islamic ignorance.

Thereafter, the Prophet (ﷺ) forbade it in the year of the battle of Khaibar, in the seventh year after the Hijrah, before the conquest of Makkah and after the treaty of Hudaibiyah. So he forbade it during the battle of Khaibar, and he forbade eating the meat of the domestic donkey.

Then at the battle of Awtās, and that is the battle of Hunain in the eighth year after the Hijrah, he permitted Mut’ah for just three days. The Prophet (ﷺ) encountered the Hawāzin tribe in the valley of Hunain and fighting broke out between them. Allāh aided the Muslims. The remaining forces of the Hawāzin moved to a place called Awtās that is near Tā’if. So the Prophet (ﷺ) sent after them a fighting force under the leadership of Abu ‛Āmir Al-Ash‛aree – and Allāh aided him against them.

So he permitted for them: meaning allowed them an affair that was forbidden, whilst upholding the underlying reasons for its prohibition, and for an outweighing benefit at that time – so he allowed it in that time, in that year, then he forbade it forever.

So the affair of temporary marriage went through three stages:

Firstly, the Prophet forbade it, then he permitted it, then he forbade it forever. And the scholars have a consensus that the mut’ah marriage is invalid – and that its permissibility was only a short-lived allowance and then it was abrogated. And no one allowed it thereafter except the Rāfidah and no one pays attention to their opposition. So this is the mut’ah nikāh, and this is its ruling in Islam. So whoever makes it permissible is an unbeliever due to him making permissible that which is forbidden by consensus.

Adapted from volume 4, no. 996-997 (English, 848 to 851), Kitābun-Nikāh (The Book of Marriage) from Shaikh Sālih al-Fawzān’s explanation of Bulūgh Al-Marām min Adillatil-Ahkām of Al-Hāfidh Ahmad Ibn ‘Ali Ibn Hajr Al-Asqalāni (born 773H, died 852H), entitled Tas-heel al-Ilmām bi-fiqhil-Ahādeeth min Bulūghil-Marām and is printed in seven volumes.

You did not say anything much different than I said except that I also added that Mutah was done
1. During the life time of the prophet even though he allowed it, then banned it then allowed it then banned it.
2. Mutah was still done by Muslims after the death of Mohammed especially during the reign of Abu Bakr and Umar the first two rightly guided khalifa
3. Umar was the one who finally banned Mutah for Muslims (except for the Shia who still practice it today)
4. The final thing I said was that Allah himself gave permission for Mutah instead of castration before it was banbed Qur'an 5.87 was revealed on account of this by Allah

In which of these above have I said that which is untrue about Islam ?

Explore2xmore:
Seems you are the unbeliever in an almighty God referred to here

I don't practice Mutah and I've never done it, so how could I be the unbeliever here?


I still insist that you are more knowledgeable than your peers here on Nairaland. I only wish that you ask Question not just swallow everything hook, line sinker as they have fed you. How would you know if what you've swallowed is Taqqiya?

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Have a good night rest my brother.

Explore2xmore:
Tenq the hadith quoting addict, tell me then which hadith is to be believed?

He allowed it even when it was practiced before him? Do a history check on Mutah don't rely on hadith.

Why do I bother giving a reply? You defiantly will never reason and even when you do it is shear pretence.

Didn't you post?
by TenQ: 8:31pm On Jul 30
Dear Explore2xmore,
You have at least more knowledgeable than the host of many on NairaLand. I appreciate your time and deep knowledge.

You very well know that many things are difficult to defend in Islam because the Hadiths present too much loopholes in the Qur'an itself. Unfortunately, many times, the Qur'an is meaningless without the hadiths and the tafsir.

If you ask me, I would say that Islam has been upgraded many times between the 7th and 9th century. This is why there seem to be a big gap between Mohammed and the hadiths or Mohammed and the Modern Qur'an. This is my opinion(I am not an expert)

This statement above is contrary to the modern standard Islamic Narratives!
The Modern Standard narratives under scrutiny Break down irrevocably. This is why some Muslims call themselves Qur'an-Only Muslims. These Muslims think that complexities and dissonances would be resolved only to create a new problem.

As Muslims, you are Commanded by the almighty Allah not to ask questions about what has been revealed to you in the Qur'an. Unfortunately, this is a trap that forbids you to check if what you are reciting is truly from God or not.

Even prophet Muhammad fell into this trap when the verse on the intercession of the daughters of Allah was received from satan.
Mohammed didn't ask questions until Jubril had to tell him that he wasn't the one who gave him this satanic verses as Qur'an.

My objective is to stimulate Muslims to ask Questions. As they ask Questions, the Truth would be made apparent to them. As long as they refuse to ask questions, they would never know when they will be DECEIVED!

With ALL my Heart, I LOVE Muslims!
I wish them to know the Messiah who is their guarantee to Paradise.


Finally,
Mr Explore2xmore, just as I ask you Questions about Islam, I appreciate if you also ask me ANY Question about Christianity and I will try my best to answer them.

So, my friend, thank you once again for your time and I hope we remain cordial as we explain to each other the reason for our faith.

Thank you Sir.
TenQ


PS. No one needs your deceitful and mischievous love.

Sorry this got under your skin.

I clearly understand that :
You want me to agree with the standard Islamic narratives based on the fact that you personally cannot trust the hadiths against your preferred Narrative.

Unfortunately, you Muslims wrote the Hadiths, the Tafsir all the Sunnah and the books of biography and history of both your prophet and Islam. All I do is simply QUOTE them as many of them go contrary to your PREFERRED Narrative!

If you check carefully, it seems
1. You cannot reject your hadiths and Tafsir as Islam cannot be practiced based on the Quran alone
2. Your scholars tried to filter your hadiths by grading them as Sahih, Hassan, Daif or Fabricated. Unfortunately, it seems you don't trust even hadiths that have been graded as either Sahih or Hassan
3. Within the Islamic circles during preachings by your Clerics, even the hadiths that are fabricated are used Freely when it serves your purpose
4. Up till now, you cannot say why a Hadith should not be accepted other than it doesn't agree with your preferred standard Islamic Narratives.

For example :
You rejected the work of Ibn Ishaq because he collected a false hadith from a woman.
Using the same rule,
You should discard the Qur'an according to the Recitation of Hafs because Hafs and his Father are known liars.

In other words you are not consistent with your application of rules of judgement for Islam.

How does one know when a Narrative is a LIE?
We know by asking questions to which we have evidence of independent Truth!
This is what lawyers do in the court of law.

The evidence used are Islamic respected spiritual books beyond modern interference.


I stand with everything I said in the Quote below. Therein I explained by objective.

Dear Explore2xmore,
You have at least more knowledgeable than the host of many on NairaLand. I appreciate your time and deep knowledge.

You very well know that many things are difficult to defend in Islam because the Hadiths present too much loopholes in the Qur'an itself. Unfortunately, many times, the Qur'an is meaningless without the hadiths and the tafsir.

If you ask me, I would say that Islam has been upgraded many times between the 7th and 9th century. This is why there seem to be a big gap between Mohammed and the hadiths or Mohammed and the Modern Qur'an. This is my opinion(I am not an expert)

This statement above is contrary to the modern standard Islamic Narratives!
The Modern Standard narratives under scrutiny Break down irrevocably. This is why some Muslims call themselves Qur'an-Only Muslims. These Muslims think that complexities and dissonances would be resolved only to create a new problem.

As Muslims, you are Commanded by the almighty Allah not to ask questions about what has been revealed to you in the Qur'an. Unfortunately, this is a trap that forbids you to check if what you are reciting is truly from God or not.

Even prophet Muhammad fell into this trap when the verse on the intercession of the daughters of Allah was received from satan.
Mohammed didn't ask questions until Jubril had to tell him that he wasn't the one who gave him this satanic verses as Qur'an.

My objective is to stimulate Muslims to ask Questions. As they ask Questions, the Truth would be made apparent to them. As long as they refuse to ask questions, they would never know when they will be DECEIVED!

With ALL my Heart, I LOVE Muslims!
I wish them to know the Messiah who is their guarantee to Paradise.


Finally,
Mr Explore2xmore, just as I ask you Questions about Islam, I appreciate if you also ask me ANY Question about Christianity and I will try my best to answer them.

So, my friend, thank you once again for your time and I hope we remain cordial as we explain to each other the reason for our faith.

Thank you Sir.
TenQ

I would be guilty before God if with what I know of Islam I don't warn you Muslims. How would you feel to get to the place of the judgement of God and you realizer that I have kept the knowledge of salvation away from you.

Just as I have asked you questions, did I not give you the right to ask me ANY Questions about Christianity ?

The Truth of the matter is that I LOVE YOU MUSLIMS and I feel sincerely that you mean well but you have swallowed a deciet that will take you to hell. Love commands me to show you.

Islam usually break down under scrutiny with questions and evidence. It is NOT about what you want Islam to look like, it is about the truth of what Islam truly is.

I almost recited the shahada myself in my university days through the books of Ahmed Deedat. I got myself a copy of the Glorious Qur'an and began to read. It was in the process of reading and asking myself questions that my eyes were opened to the truth. This helped me to study indepth both Christianity and Islam.

Once again my brother!
Jesus said:
When you know the truth, the Truth will set you Free!

Ask Questions and you will find the Truth.

Sincerely from the bottom of my heart, I love you Muslims and I wish you stop memorising things without understanding it first. Otherwise, the number one question you would have asked yourself is :
Why was the Messiah sent to the world with all these unique and exceptional attributes?

Skankamola:
70 or 7? They said its actually edible fruits and not virgins. I always wonder if the faithful ladies also get 7 or 70 strong men each.

The numbers of perpetual virgins vary o depending on the hadith you read and whether you are a a matyr or not.

The number varies from
2 Houris and several inmates of hell

70 Houri plus inmates of hell

72 Houri plus inmates of hell

Unlimited number of Houri plus inmates of hell

These doesn't exclude Muslim women and your wives here on earth.


Modern Muslims with lies : once you read their Tafsir you know that these are no fruit BUT the promise of Allah of perpetual big breasted, transparent, voluptuous, young perpetual virgins

vdestro:
I dont think so, they love what Satan sells.

People of the world always love the merchandise of satan directly or indirectly.

When the Spirit of Islam possess them, there is no evil they can't do in the name of Mohammed and his Allah!

vdestro:
They know. They just dont want God while they love Satan, even if he kills them.

Many of them are full of zeal o!
But in ignorance.
Just as they've been decieved, they decieved others.
Half of them don't read the Qur'an in any language they understand. They would by Arabic Qur'an just to show they have a religion but what is the essence of carrying a book you cannot read.

NNTR:
Shaitan

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

No doubt about it. It can only be satan and his messanger.

The Spirit of hooliganism is so deeply entrenched that most of the Sahaba died fighting one war or the other for control of resources

NNTR:
Satan

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

Of course!
Those in the Light easily see through the deception to know that this is SATAN at work.

1Cor 2:9:
"But as it is written, "No eye has seen, no ear has heard, and no mind has imagined the things that God has prepared for those who love him.""

But here, Islam reduced it to endless perpetual sex and breasts and booze and sleeping on green Persian mats with gold bracelets.