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LordReed:
You are the one calling their actions engineering wisdom so the question needs to be answered by you.

I am agreeing with you dude


I forgot that Ants never went to school of Engineering! My bad!!

KnownUnknown:
All praises due to Ant. You need to wake up and stop being a slave to Hebrew nonsense.

Hate or
Refusal to know or
Denial of knowledge
etc
Doesn't change reality!

Wilgrea7:
again, a misrepresentation of atheism

Atheists don't do anything then: they are passive blind lookers!

I wasn't defining atheism : atheists can't even define themselves successfully!

budaatum:
Good to see your understanding increase. Let me know when you've learnt some about evolution and how it enables the ant to do what ants do.

You tell me how knowledge is transmitted through evolution.
I await your wisdom and lecture

satmaniac:
Muslim clerics said this and muslim clerics said that. You amuse me ooo. You are the one that said the prophet even forbade the writing of Hadith and here you are quoting the words of those who insist on following what does not have the approval of God and his messenger, in order to make sure I agree with you that they are worth following.
Look what you should know is that in any ideology be it secular or theological, people tend to always corrupt and change it to fit their prejudices. It happened with the children of Israel, especially when Moses left them to be with God almighty, it take them just forty days to introduce worshipping of the calf. You can imagine what will happened after a long period of time. It happened with the Christian so much that a convention was held to determine what the right doctrines are. Yes I am talking about the nicene convention. It happened with the Muslim after the prophet was gone too. Thus, you have the Hadiths and most of the things that were foreign to Quran. It is nothing new. But what is important is God truth is there for everyone who care to find out in all of these scriptures that were written down. For example, an honest reading of the bible will tell you that Jesus Christ is not a God and also the term son of God was not literal.
You said:
But I think your argument should be applicable to the Qur'an too. Why should we trust the RECITATION of Hafs when we have written Qur'an dating far back in time.

This shows you are not paying attention to the point I have been making. You just wish to force Hadith down my throat. When did I say I trust either of the Hadith. I am just pointing that for you to see them as the fabrication that they are. And no there is no how you are going to apply the argument to the Quran. The Quran was a speech from God to the prophet and as soon as it was revealed it got written down, with the prophet permission, unlike the hadith nobody ever authorised it. So if you are being sincere there should be no copy of Hadith then. Mind you the earliest collection of Hadith you see me referring to, were even collected long after the prophet was gone and like I said most of the Hadith did not have the prophet name in them. So how do you compare the two?
By written Quran written way back, you mean that one at Birmingham right? Because that is the oldest Quran so far? I will want you to point the differences between that Quran and the hafs Quran?

I am not forcing down the Hadiths down your throat. I know that some Muslims call themselves Qur'an-Only-Muslims and in dealing with them, I want to use just the Qur'an only
BUT
1. I expect that all their judgement would be from the Literal interpretation of the Qur'an.
2. I also want them to know that it is hypocritical of them to follow the teachings of the hadiths while condemning them at the same time.
3. I want them to note that (because they are minorities with this view), casting away such a huge volume of hadith irrespective of their grade is a proof that the vast majority of Muslims who wrote or narrated or transmitted the hadiths are untrustworthy and fraudulent liars.
4. One of your arguments was that the hadiths were compiled much later: true. But the Recitation of Hafs too was a Recitation before it was written. If the memory of those who document the hadiths could be questioned, the memory of those of recite the Qur'an should also be questioned

I don't ask you to adopt the Hadiths by force.

By the way,
1. Do you subscribe to the Sira and Tafsir?

honesttalk21:
22:17 Verily, those who believe (in Allah and in His Messenger Muhammad), and those who are Jews, and the Sabians [wa’l-sabi-in], and the Christians, and the Majus, and those who worship others besides Allah; truly, Allah will judge between them on the Day of Resurrection. Verily, Allah is over all things a Witness

No one is exempt from judgement. I pray Allah grants me mercy in his judgement and all that truly believe in him.

Is this a contradiction?

honesttalk21:
I can only refer you to Q5:118 where Jesus is prophesied to say in response to questions Allah will ask him
If You punish them, they belong to You after all.But if You forgive them, You are surely the Almighty, All-Wise.

You did not answer the questions

I said: If this is the case
1. The Sabians worship the stars and constellations, why would they enter Paradise?

2. We Christians believe that God is Trinity, why would we enter Paradise?

3. I don't know the Offence of the Jews, why would they enter Paradise?


A. Jesus could not be prophesied to say anything in Quran 5:118 because the Qur'an was written 700 years after the death and Resurrection of Jesus.
B. Jesus was not responding to the Jews, Sabians and Christians I Qur'an 5:118, was He?

honesttalk21:
Eleazar (Mt 1:15) had two children, the one Mathan (Mt 1:15), and the
other Jotham. Joseph is descended from Mathan and Mary from Jotham.
Eleazar’s son Mathan begot Jacob, and Jacob begot Joseph. And Eleazar’s
son Jotham begot Zadoq, and Zadoq begot Mary by his wife Dina, who is
the sister of Elisabeth, the wife of Zechariah. For this reason it is written
that the Angel said to Mary, «Behold, Elisabeth your relative has con-
ceived» (Lk 1:36) — that is, the sister of your mother. Now Mary from her
father’s side was from the tribe of Judah, but from her mother’s side, from
the tribe of Levi.

Mary, of course, does not feature at all in the genealogies given in Mat-
thew 1 and Luke 3. Earlier commentators were more interested in providing
explanations for the apparent contradictions between the two lists (exempli-
fied by Joseph’s father being Jacob in Matthew and Eli in Luke).

Wrong sir!
Can you please show me how Mary was a descendant of Jotham?

Can you show me how Zadoq is the Father of Mary and Dina is the Mother of Mary?


Mathew gave the Legal genealogy of Jesus through Joseph his supposed Father. Joseph was from the tribe of Judah.
Mat 1:16:
"And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ."
The Father of Joseph was Jacob




Luke gave the biological genealogy of Jesus through Mary with Joseph being the Son-in-Law to Heli the Father of Mary. Mary was also from the tribe of Judah.

Luk 3:23:
"And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being as was supposed the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli,"

honesttalk21:
Accepting that Anna was barring, do you however identify who her husband was?

The name of her husband wasn't mentioned as he died more than 60 years before the time in question.

Luk 2:36-37:
"And there was one Anna, a prophetess, the daughter of Phanuel, of the tribe of Aser: she was of a great age, and had lived with an husband seven years from her virginity; And she was a widow of about fourscore and four years, which departed not from the temple, but served God with fastings and prayers night and day."

honesttalk21:
Could you tell me who is documented as the mother of Mary?

Genealogy amongst the Jews is through patriarchal line. Therefore the mother of Mary wasn't mentioned but her Father was mentioned

honesttalk21:
Then about Psalm 110:1 may be subject for review. This is to understand how the old testament son of man is referred to as either Adonai or Adoni which are names used with Yahweh for God.

It calls for some concern really.
The priests not asking Jesus further questions could be that they had concluded either positively or negatively about him.

Did the Jewish leaders not accuse Jesus of blasphemy in Matthew 26:57-68

1. The Jews did not recognise Jesus as the Messiah
2. The Jews know that the Messiah would be a descendant of David
3. Jesus asked the Jews a technical Question :
If the Messiah was the Son of David, why then does David call Him Lord?

This Question thy couldn't answer! How could they ask further questions when the only one he asked them they couldn't answer.
Mat 22:46:
"And no man was able to answer him a word, neither dared any man from that day forth ask him any more questions."


Yes, Jesus was the Messiah : as the Word of God, David called Him LORD. But in His Humanity, he is the Son of David.

honesttalk21:
Islam recognizes Zakaria as a prophet and it seems there are narrations of 2 of them in the Bible. Howbeit in the book of Ezekiel 45
1.When you allot the land as an inheritance, you are to present to the Lord a portion of the land as a sacred district, 25,000 cubits long and 20,000 cubits wide; the entire area will be holy.
2 Of this, a section 500 cubits square is to be for the sanctuary, with 50 cubits around it for open land.
3 In the sacred district, measure off a section 25,000 cubits long and 10,000 cubits wide. In it will be the sanctuary, the Most Holy Place.
4 It will be the sacred portion of the land for the priests, who minister in the sanctuary and who draw near to minister before the Lord. It will be a place for their houses as well as a holy place for the sanctuary.

1. Islam recognise Zachariah as prophet But he isn't. He is just a Priest. Why is he a prophet? You don't know, do you?

What you read in Ezekiel 45 describes the Quarters for the Priests NOT the temple. No one lives in the Temple of Jerusalem.

honesttalk21:
Women not being permitted explains why Mary's mother preferred a boy child.

Permit my including the views of the role religion has played in patriarchy.

Going on, according to Jewish religious law, women were allowed in every area of the Temple precincts in which men were allowed. The Mishnah specifies areas within the Temple that non-priests were not allowed to enter, but it does not differentiate between men and women.

More so Joseph and Mary took him to Jerusalem to present him to the LORD, as it is written in the LORD’s Torah: “Every first-born male is sanctified to the LORD as stated in Luke 2:22-23

What is your evidence that Mary's mother preferred a boy than a girl?
Please site it according to Islam!

honesttalk21:
Pardon me if I find this a bit amusing so you conclude that ransom will be accepted from Muslims?

This is what your prophet Said : Christians and Jews would be used as ransom for Muslims in hell.

The implications is that the Jews and Christians cannot be in hell if they are to be used as ransom for Muslims.

honesttalk21:
إِلَّا Translates to but
However I don't have what you typed as I have
وَإِنْ مِنْكُمْ إِلَّا وَارِدُهَا ۚ كَانَ عَلَىٰ رَبِّكَ حَتْمًا مَقْضِيًّا
وَإِن مِّنكُمۡ إِلَّا وَارِدُهَا ۚ كَانَ عَلَىٰ رَبِّكَ حَتۡمًا مَّقۡضِيًّا

وَارِدُهَا translates to take it however in both the word for word and al-hilali meaning of verse translations I find this as passing over it.

Paused to recheck where وَإِنْ became وَمَا or maybe you are reading from another variant.
Is that why you have a smiley?

It must have been a mistake.
However, the bottom line remain the same.

ALL Muslims will enter the Fire of Hell until they are finally ransomed.

See your Tafsirs on Qur'an 19:71

Quran 19 :71 Abbas - Tanwîr al-Miqbâs min Tafsîr Ibn ‘Abbâs
(There is not one of you but shall approach it) there is not a single one of you, to the exclusion of prophets and messengers, save that he will enter it, i.e. hell. (That is a fixed ordinance of your Lord) it is a decree that must necessarily take place.


Qur'an 19.71 Jalal - Al-Jalalayn
There is not one of you but shall come to it, that is, [but] shall enter Hell. That is an inevitability [already] decreed by your Lord, [something which] He made inevitable and [which] He decreed; He will not waive it.


Qur'an 19.71-72 Kathir - Ibn Al Kathir
Everyone will be brought to Hell, then the Righteous will be saved
Ibn Jarir reported from `Abdullah that he said concerning Allah's statement,



All Muslims are entering Hell Fire!

honesttalk21:
You probably are pained due to what you may have come across however in Quran 5:82
ۖ وَلَتَجِدَنَّ أَقْرَبَهُمْ مَوَدَّةً لِلَّذِينَ آمَنُوا الَّذِينَ قَالُوا إِنَّا نَصَارَىٰ ۚ ذَٰلِكَ بِأَنَّ مِنْهُمْ قِسِّيسِينَ وَرُهْبَانًا وَأَنَّهُمْ لَا يَسْتَكْبِرُونَ
And you will certainly find that the people most hostile against the believers are the Jews and the ones who ascribe partners to Allah. You will certainly find that the closest of them in friendship with the believers are those who say, “We are Christians.”That is because among them there are priests and monks, and because they are not arrogant.

And 2:62
إِنَّ الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا وَالَّذِينَ هَادُوا وَالنَّصَارَىٰ وَالصَّابِئِينَ مَنْ آمَنَ بِاللَّهِ وَالْيَوْمِ الْآخِرِ وَعَمِلَ صَالِحًا فَلَهُمْ أَجْرُهُمْ عِنْدَ رَبِّهِمْ وَلَا خَوْفٌ عَلَيْهِمْ وَلَا هُمْ يَحْزَنُونَ
Indeed, those who believe, and those who are Jews, Christians, and Sabians. Whoever believes in God and the Last Day and does righteousness, they will have their reward with their Lord, and there is no fear upon them, nor do they grieve

Allah himself knows who truly worships him with sincerity. It is not a case of who is seen to be righteous in the eyes of man

If this is the case
1. The Sabians worship the stars and constellations, why would they enter Paradise?

2. We Christians believe that God is Trinity, why would we enter Paradise?

3. I don't know the Offence of the Jews, why would they enter Paradise?

litigator:
This is one area of our Biblical journey we often shy away from talking about.

I am certain I am not alone in this regard.

How does it feel if at 9. am on a Sunday morning, I come out for an altar call after a powerful heart-shattering and guilt-provoking sermon, give my life to Christ; I am prayed for and declare born again, but I unconsciously commit a sin on my way back home?

And with that guilt, I go back to sin full time like it was before the alter call?

I guess I am not alone in this regard. I have attended church services countless times and listened to sermons and teachings that I can't recollect, and at the end of such endeavour, I obey the alter call one minute, and the next minute, I am back to fornicating. This is one thing that has kept a lot of people out of this spiritual journey.

Even Pastors are not immune to sin, as some have found themselves committing sin at one point or the other. I guess Apostle Paul suffered same in the Bible. And this brings me to my question.


Does being again make you immune to sin, and is it a vaccine against sinning?

Is it that if I sin, it will no longer count against me because I have Grace?

Or is it a merry-go-round of sinning and asking for forgiveness shortly afterwards until we get better at not sinning anymore?

And if the latter is the case, why do churches hate and guilt-shame members when they sin but defend pastors when they do the same?

There is no where in the Bible where we pray to be Born Again. Being Born Again is FAITH in Christ as the Messiah to Free you from the nature of sin and a Bond to Him as his Servant.
It consist of Two things
1. Accepting Jesus as Saviour
Meaning : Recognision of Jesus as the Mediator and Redeemer from sin and it's consequence and the Door to Heaven
2. Accepting Jesus as Lord :
Meaning : Being a solemn commitment to live the totality of your life under the Leadership and Authority of God to Live your Life in Purity and Service to Him


The problem is that ALL Christians want Jesus as Saviour BUT maybe Not as Lord.

If Jesus is your Lord, you will strive to Live your Life in Purity. God is not mocked.

Response to am Alter call and being Born Again are completely different things.

[quote author=honesttalk21 post=125083259][/quote]Its painful when understood that ALL Muslims will first enter the Fire before Allah ransoms them with Christians and Jews.


What is so special with Christians and Jews that Allah seems to hate us this much?

budaatum:
Fact that ants don't speak doesn't mean they don't communicate.

Go learn about evolution. It will help you evolve understanding.

Of course they communicate no one disputes about that.

Chemical trails can contain lots of information isn't it? Some of the Information is like with a megaphone to broadcast information over thousands of ants at the same time. This would be useful in coordinating thousands of Ants

LordReed:
What engineering principles did the ants use?

You tell me!?
I forgot that they never went to school of Engineering! My bad!!
They didn't use any principle o: dumb insectz

Wilgrea7:
We know how limiting our 5 senses are. Limiting truth to something "everyone sees" isn't only misleading, but also very inaccurate.

Isn't this exactly what you atheists do?

KnownUnknown:
Yes, it’s the Great Ant that created the Great Flowerpot.

LOL!
At least you've woken up

honesttalk21:
Could you point me to where David says The LORD said to my Lord, Sit you on my right hand that questioning Pharisees or ancestors witnessed and refer to?

A Psalm of David.
Ps 110:1:
"The LORD said to my Lord, Sit you at my right hand, until I make your enemies your footstool."


Jesus then asked, how could the Messiah be the Son of David and David calls Him Lord.!

honesttalk21:
I had read Elizabeth was actually Mary’s aunt, sister of Anna, Mary’s mother. Joida, High Priest of Aaron, was father of Elizabeth and Anna, and thus grandfather of Jesus and of John the Baptist. from this link and have not made satisfactory progress in establishing the link.

https://www.dailypress.com/1998/04/11/jesus-had-love-support-of-a-closely-knit-family/#:~:text=Close%20family%20ties%20were%20well,sister%20of%20Anna%2C%20Mary's%20mother.

Wrong.
Anna and Mary have NOTHING in relation to each other. Anna was a childless widow and a prophetess.

honesttalk21:
Do you also say there weren't intermarital relations between the tribes?

There were inter-tribal marriages in Israel only that
At the time of Jesus, of the twelf tribes of Isreal, only two remain. The other ten tribes (who lived in the Northern Israel) were taken into slavery by the Assyrians 722 years before Jesus.

The only tribes remaining at the time of Jesus was Judah (tribe of David) and Benjamin.

honesttalk21:
You seem not to understand that no ransom will be accepted which totally disagrees with the what you share from Al-Ashari

It says no ransom would be accepted from those who REJECT Allah!

This means that Ransom would be accepted from Muslims but not Christians, Jews or Idolaters!

It is simple now

honesttalk21:
You say Muslims will ALL without exception enter the Fire of Hell at least for a Duration

Is this expressly stated and where?

Going by the differing translations can we consider some will pass by and some will enter? Then perhaps for those who enter they are later saved as those that passed by?

Yes: this is expressly stated in the Qur'an by Allah

Qur'an 19:71
"وَمَا مِنكُم مِّنْ أَحَدٍ إِلَّا سَيَمُرُّهَا ۚ ذَٰلِكَ عَلَىٰ رَبِّكَ يَسِيرٌ"

Was ma minkum min ahadin illa sayamurruhā...

I am sorry to say my brother : this was one of those verses that opened my eyes to study Islam properly without bias.

Don't go by the translation (as Muslim translators think it is halal to twist the Qur'an to make it say nicer things) : go by the Arabic!

Every Muslim according to Allah will FIRST enter the Fire of Hell before Allah will now accept their ransome

honesttalk21:
How do you compare what you write from Abu Musa Al-Ashari in comparison to:

Surah 57:15, This Day shall no ransom be accepted of you, nor of those who rejected Allah.’ Your abode is the Fire: that is the proper place to claim you: and an evil refuge it is
See also 3:91,5:36 and 39:47.

Your Quran is speaking about those who reject Allah (certainly not Muslims) who will have no ransom accepted from them.
And it makes sense doesn't it that Jews and Christians INSTEAD would be used as Ransom for Muslims


Riyad as-Salihin 432
Abu Musa Al-Ash'ari (May Allah be pleased with him) reported:
Messenger of Allah said, "On the Day of Resurrection, Allah will deliver to every Muslim, a Jew or a Christian and say: This is your ransom from Hell-fire."'
Another narration is: Messenger of Allah said, "There would come people amongst the Muslims on the Day of Resurrection with sins as heavy as a mountain, and Allah would forgive them".


Very well still on track: Allah will replace Muslims in Hell with Jews and Christians :
1. Does it make sense to you?
2. Why would Allah do that since he was the once that created Christianity?
3. What is the Offence of the Jews?

honesttalk21:
Well can we agree that Zakaria was a Prophet and the guardian of Mary? Would this verify that she worked/lived in the temple?

Then Luke 1:36 And behold, your kinswoman Elizabeth in her old age has also conceived a son; and this is the sixth month with her who was called barren.

The word translated from Greek says suggenes (συγγενής) meaning of the same kin, akin to, related by blood

1. Zachariah is not a prophet, he was a priest.
There were hundreds of priests in Jerusalem.
2. There is no residential quarters in the temple not even for the High Priest. The temple consist of three concentric walls of the outer space, the Holy space and the Holy of holy place.
The High priest enter the Holy of Holy Place just once in a Year
Women are not even permitted in the Holy place.
The Outer space or Common place is the area allowed for everyone including women for sacrifices
3. Men did the Work of Cleaning and maintaining the Temple sir. Women aren't allowed in the temple.

If you had asked the Christians according to the Qur'an, you wouldn't have made these errors.

Elizabeth and Mary are Cousins!

LordReed:
So if I use my fingers to dig the ground it is also engineering wisdom?

Show me the engineering principles you have used. QED!

Workch:
So you learnt in school that ants were programmed by a programmer?.. What's the name of your school?

Ants dummy!

We were talking computer programming


Are you aware that in computer programming, we write some programs that self destructs after it has executed it's task?
Is this stupidity or wisdom in programming ?

budaatum:
Evolution does not give anything. Species learn to adapt to their ever changing environment and evolve, or they die.

I would suggest you learn about evolution. You might detect the evolution from Yahweh God to Jesus God to Paul's God even. It's a fascinating lesson to understand, and would make you appreciate Christ and Christianity even more.

The below is a clear example of ideological evolution.

Please how has this got to do with evolution?

1. The ants found a dead wall gecko the size of each ant relative to the wall gecko is at least 1:1000
2. The Ants had their destination as INSIDE the flowerpot
3. Lifting the Gecko up the wall of the flower pot was a tall order which required a lot of coordination, cooperation, dedication and strength.
4. Unfortunately, the pot had a rim that curved out and down through which they need to navigate UPSIDE-DOWN with the heavy load (which would have been an impossibility)
5. They figured out somehow under the rim to carry ONLY the lighter tail first under the flower pot rim to the top.
6. When those assigned to the task succeeded, the other Ants let go of the main body of the Gecko
7. The moment of truth came as the main gecko body swung Freely by its tail
8. The ants below the rim climbed up the rim to assist their fellow ants holding the tail to pull up the gecko carcass

For creatures who cannot speak to organise each other, who have a short life span and did not therefore go to school. This is a masterpiece of wisdom in operation.

Dtruthspeaker:


Rejected children and cast offs can never praise The One Who threw them out and cuts them off from things.

It is actually rebellion : anything else BUT God is good enough for them just like their master satan

KnownUnknown:
The Almighty Ant communicates with them from the 5th dimension using the antennas on their heads.

There is no better way than the mysterious way of Ant.

At least you are coming closer: they have an influence that is extraterrestrial to them.
LOL!

Wilgrea7:
So many wrong statements in here.. I'll do my best to point them out



Wrong... Common sense does not denote truth. For the people seeing the sun rise in the east and set in the west, common sense would tell them that the sun revolved around the earth. We know this is not the case.

And again, you are not answering the question of complexity. You're just pushing it to the location of wherever the "extraterrestrial" thing is.



Again... Wrong. Intelligence is not the opposite of chaos. Order is. Do we see order from entropy?
sometimes.

The entropy of the universe has been increasing from the beginning of time. Yet stars and galaxies formed. Even planets can sometimes form from the death of stars



No one is trying to argue that complex structures necessarily come into existence from nothing, or from mere randomness.

And it is perfectly possible for a complex something to come from another complex something. But you will not be answering the question of complexity either ways.



1. Consciousness is still largely a mystery to us. Both its origins as well as it's nature.

2. The question of where the computers came from would be determined by several things.

And if we're going by the dell and hp analogy, how sure are you that the computers would reach the conclusions that they "evolved from the natural elements of mars"?... Especially if the components of their structure were clearly absent in the planet

You seem to be tossing around a lot of what ifs. Even if the computers had mars-like materials, the question of how they came to be is something they'd need to answer with some sort of evidence.. not hypothetical speculations.

You should first have answered my question as Intelligently as you could.

1. If you find a computer-like object on Mars, would you attribute it's existence to self evolution from Mars or extraterrestrial to Mars?
2. Do we sometimes see order in entropy, Yes! Why? Entropy is not yet maximum. Therefore every order will in future vanish: this is the law of entropy simplified. Is it possible for entropy to decrease by itself?
NO!
3. I asked you a question about common sense not a question about truth. The Truth imply that you are certain of the origin of the computer-like object on Mars. If the name Hp or Dell was written on the computer-like device you can say with a fair amount of certainty that it was manufactured on planet earth by Hewlett Packard or Dell.
Again, you found some computer-like devices on Mars, what would your common sense tell you about it's origin?
4. I agree that Consciousness is still largely a mystery to us BUT as Christians will attribute it to Extraterrestrial Source, you atheists attribute it to a self evolving property of matter.
5. If the Hp and Dell computer-like devices on Mars conclude that they self evolved over billions of years in Mars: do you think their response is a rational conclusion?

Workch:
How did you know all these?

I went to school to learn it.


You don't know that in computer programming, we write some programs that self destructs after it has executed it's task?

Is this stupidity or wisdom in programming ?

LordReed:
LoLz. So even though engineering is about building machines or constructs it's still engineering not to use machines or contruct any thing. Sometimes the way you stretch language just to create a narrative is just too amusing.

It didn't dawn on you that the Ants simply are using the carcass as their only machine! ?

#They accounted for the center of gravity of the carcass.
#They turned the carcass into a lever.
#At a point they made the carcass into a compound pendulum.
#They computed the impulse and how many Ants would be required to hold the carcass when it swings

You see why I shake my head at you?