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LordReed:
Show me the philosophical principles that deal with n-dimensional space.

All learning exclusive of technical precepts and practical arts is philosophy or the study of the fundamental nature of knowledge, reality, and existence, especially when considered as an academic discipline.

I am sure I've not discussed mathematics with you: have I?
Carry your n-th dimensional space somewhere else please.

Cybertroll:
Doesn't matter. A dot worshipping a square would be ridiculous to a sphere, no? If there are other dimensions higher than the 3rd and 4th, then God isn't really special (assuming he's a 4D being).

Unless God created them all. Then I wonder, "Why? Why created a dimension for the dot and the line and the square and the sphere?"...

I would have been guilty if I said that God is a 4D being: but I never said so.
Even then,
A 4D being (assuming) is infinitely bigger than a 3D being. The best of 3D is the minimum of a 4D being.

Talking about Creation (since you brought it up), just as a 3D being can effortlessly create a 2D object so also a 4D being can do and undo with the 3D objects.

Your question of why is silly because only a being in a higher dimension can answer the question and you in the lower dimension wouldn't even comprehend it.

Did you notice how your disposition changed immediately you learnt that this Philosophical dialogue is also spiritual?

I still marvel at the kind of questions A Square would be subjected to. He would be ridiculed and taunted for believing in imaginary things.

If God is indeed the Creator of Everything, then there cannot be any other Dimensions higher than His

Cybertroll:
Probably.

If God is a 4th dimensional being, what's special about him? He would be great only when compared to us (due to our limitations.

Dot < Line < Square < Cube and so on (if the 4D and the 5th and 6th till infinity, exists)

I never said that God is a 4th Dimensional being. All we can say is that He is at a Dimension higher than 3D:

Even if God is at a 4th dimension, he is already infinitely higher than us. The gap between 1 D and 3D is not ONE but infinity because it takes an infinitely large number of 1D to transition into 2D.

LordReed:
I don't think you even know what space means in mathematics, that is why you can conflate it with the actual universe we live in. Go find out what space means in mathematics maybe it will cure a bit of your ignorance.

Diversion!
You think I talking mathematics here!? It is just simple philosophical discussion.
Is the implications difficult to bear with?

I've been speaking dimensions of existence and in 3D , we speak of space in its normal sense.

Is it reasonable to conclude unequivocally that higher dimensions than 3D do NOT exist in the Universe?

Cybertroll:
Hm. But why in this section?

It is a satire my friend!

Philosophical and yet Spiritual.

It seems Atheists are locked in the 3D space and treat Theists exactly like "A Square". They think they know Unfortunately, they are only constrained by their experiences and perceptions.

If there is no possibility of higher dimensions, then Atheists are completely right. However if there is a possibility of higher dimensions existing, then Atheists are wrong and may need to open their minds rather than obstinately closing it and asking dumb questions


"A Square" in the novel is certainly seen as insane at best: he should forget his knowledge and be as dumb as the others in 2D space. The dumb are actually limited only by their perception of space.
Nice and interesting satirical novel

I still marvel at the kind of questions A Square would be subjected to. He would be ridiculed and taunted for believing in imaginary things.

Cybertroll:
Reminds me of the novel, Flatland.

Hard to believe there's a fourth dimension. I think scientists agree. But who knows?

I agree with you: it is hard to believe but not impossible.

I cringe at the arguments of scientist who live within 0D or 1D or 2D arguing that higher dimensions do not exist. Theory and Reality seems opposed to each other

"A Square" in the novel is certainly seen as insane at best: he should forget his knowledge and be as dumb as the others in 2D space. The dumb are actually limited only by their perception of space.
Nice and interesting satirical novel

I still marvel at the kind of questions A Square would be subjected to. He would be ridiculed and taunted for believing in imaginary things.

LordReed:
,
You should answer this one instead, is it reasonable to believe higher dimensions exist because of a hypothetical mathematical postulate?

It is reasonable to believe that higher dimensions may exist
1. Zero D space is possible
1 D space is possible
2 D space is possible
3 D space is possible
There exist no excuse that would make a 4D space impossible?

2. People in 3D space cannot fathom how 4F space will look like just as 0D cannot fathom 1D, and 1D cannot fathom 2D etc.
3. Mathematically higher dimensions are possible especially in string theory scientific theories, such as string theory and certain versions of quantum gravity show that higher dimensions are not impossible

I've given you three reasons:
Is it reasonable to conclude unequivocally that higher dimensions than 3D do NOT exist in the Universe?

LordReed:
LoLz. The person who needs a brain reset is you since it seems you don't understand what hypothetical means. I have told you before to go back to school, you need it.

Why is it difficult for you to respond to this question?

Is it reasonable to conclude unequivocally that higher dimensions than 3D do NOT exist in the Universe?

AntiChristian:
Open Your thread!

Can you force me to open a thread?
No!

This is where I choose to challenge you ON YOUR OWN THREAD: Escapist strategy as usual!

Humans have hands, Allah has hands!
Humans have shin, Allah has shin!
Allah looks like the Da'jjal with the exception that he has two eyes like humans!


Questions:
1. What does the shin of Allah look like?
What is the distinguishing features?
2. What then is the real shape of Allah?
(Is Allah a Transformer?)
3. Why do you think Mohammed compared Allah to the Da'jjal rather than comparing Jesus to the Da'jjal?
(After all, the Da'jjal is a man as Jesus is a man)
4. On the day of Resurrection, why would Muslims be waiting for the one to intercede for them? Where was Mohammed (the Muslims Intercessor) at this time the Muslims were rejecting Allah who came in another form to them?

LordReed:
LoLz. My fear? You are signalling as clearly as a traffic sign.

It is because my thinking faculties are working that I can see thorough your insipid attempt.

LMAO! What argument have I made that I need to check in 2D space? You've started dreaming again.

My thinking runs circles around you 20 times before breakfast.

You are afraid that answering those questions would betray your faulty reasonings.

Actually, the key to everything is question 1.

1. Is it reasonable to conclude unequivocally that higher dimensions than 3D do NOT exist in the Universe?

If the answer is Yes, then you may need to justify it.
If your answer is No, then you are welcome to having your brain reset.

Neither of these positions suits you: therefore you'll rather continue braying like the character in the book "Animal Farm"!

Take the pill: Red or Blue! !

Fear is your friend bro!

LordReed:
LoLz. Where did I mention Jesus or god? You know what you are doing so keep trying to lie to yourself. Trying to use hypothetical mathematical concepts to prove that higher dimensions actually exist just shows how much you just want to believe not that they actually point to any real thing.

It is good you are exposing your fears:
You are afraid that that I want to use mathematical concepts to prove that higher dimensions actually exist!?

Therefore, you have shut down your reasoning faculties so that you'll not be proved wrong! Pity you?

Just place yourself in the 2D space and check your arguments: everyone in 3D space will laugh at your "educated ignorance"!

My goal:
To actually make you think this through!

gaskiyamagana:
When and how did you answer the verses 116 - 118 of chapter 5 of the Qur'an , which rendered VAIN, USELESSNESS AND WASTED your religious efforts as Christian in this platform and others?
Your questions above are antics and tactics of escaping and dodging issue at hand, l mean, 'On Your Own ' (OYO) of Jesus before Almighty Allah, to all of you - dead, living and unborn Christians.

It has been shown that the Qur'an is based on FALSEHOOD, everything deduced from it including Qur'an 5 is thus an error!

1. Mohammed was born 600 years after Jesus. He never even remotely met any Disciples of the Disciples of Jesus: where did he get his narratives about Jesus?
2. The Qur'an shows that it the the works of man and not God as God cannot make impossible historical and scientific errors.
Does the sun set in some murky waters?
3. Jubril never even once accidentally introduced himself to Mohammed: how can one be sure it's not a demon?
4. Even you Muslims don't know who Jubril is: do you? Is Jubril the Holy Spirit?

LordReed:
LoLz. Why lie to yourself? Your very first question is asking us to find it reasonable that higher dimensions exist or you don't understand what you wrote?

My Questions were simple philosophical questions based on the thought scenarios I've painted. Did you see Jesus or God or Spirit in the Question? (Those may eventually come out but certainly not at this stage). I wonder what is scaring you with the questions?

Question:
1. Is it reasonable to conclude unequivocally that higher dimensions than 3D do NOT exist in the Universe?
2. What kind of experiments would you advise scientists in the 2D world conduct to prove the existence of the 3D space?
3. Let's assume that by some Stroke of massive intelligence, scientists in the 2D space have perfect scientific knowledge of their space, would this knowledge be adequate in the 3D space?
4. We know that a person in a higher dimension can interact with those in the lower dimensions: is the converse possible?

LordReed:
Classic example of taking what is supposed to be hypothetical and believing it is real.

Proving that you didn't even read a thing.


No one has argued reality or otherwise!
You have been given p
PHILOSOPHICAL questions to ponder on!

gaskiyamagana:
Here we are, you are now completely handicapped from typing and mentally cornered from spurious and doctored quotes from dubious-christianized Hadiths as have been doing by the Qur'an 5 : 116 - 118. Why you have not able to counter the VERSES in question against your DOOM hereafter. Or you are tired of teaching Muslim their religion?

The verse has been countered

1. Mohammed was born 600 years after Jesus. He never even remotely met any Disciples of the Disciples of Jesus
2. The Qur'an shows that it the the works of man and not God as God cannot make impossible historical and scientific errors.
Does the sun set in some murky waters?
3. Jubril never even once accidentally introduced himself to Mohammed: how can one be sure it's not a demon?
4. Even you Muslims don't know who Jubril is: do you? Is Jubril the Holy Spirit?

gaskiyamagana:
Once again, irrelevant to your DOOM hereafter as stated in the Qur'an 5 : 116 - 118.

A book from the imagination of Mohammed aka Qutham 600 years after the New Testament contradicting Jesus Himself!?

This is why you have no case

Spatial dimensions are axes of space that we can move through like the x, y, and z axis that we can move through.

Let's go on a journey of dimensions by imagining a 3D space (as we are familiar with it).

Existence in Zero Dimension:
Zero Dimension is just an infinitesimally small point within a 3D space. A person within a zero Dimensional space is static and he would believe he's alone in the whole universe. Words like velocity, distance, Area, Volume or Space would be nonsensical to him.

Existence in One Dimension:
One Dimension is an assembly of infinitely large numbers of zero dimensions in a straight line. A person within a one dimensional space within a 3D space is unaware of the fact that he's in a 3D space. It is impossible for him to know if he's in the X or y or z directions as these are meaningless to him. Measurements of distance, speed make sense to him, however, he cannot comprehend the meaning of area or volume or space. You will find it difficult to convince him that it is possible to have a higher dimension than 1D.
A paradox:
even when he is seen from the 3D space as alined in x or y or xz directions, it is oblivious to him.

Existence in Two Dimensions:
A Two Dimensional space is an assembly of infinitely large numbers of one dimensions in a straight line stacked on upon the other. A person within a Two dimensional space within a 3D space is unaware of the fact that he's in a 3D space. It is impossible for him to know if he's in the xy or yz or xz planes as these are meaningless to him.
Measurements of area, displacement, velocity, volume, area density make sense to him, however, he cannot comprehend the meaning of area or volume or height. You will find it difficult to convince him that it is possible to have a higher dimension than 2D.
Paradox:
When an object is placed in a closed loop, he believes that it is scientifically impossible to bring out the object from within the loop without breaking the loop.
Of course, those of us who live within the 3D space will laugh at his folly. When such a feat is done before him by someone in the 3rd dimension, he concludes that it must be a miracle

Existence in Three Dimensions:
A Three Dimensional space is an assembly of infinitely large numbers of Two dimensions stacked on upon the other. A person within a Three dimensional space within a 4D space is unaware of the fact that he's in a 4D space. It is impossible for him to know if he's in the xyza or xyzb or xyzd volumes as these are meaningless to him.
Measurements of area or volume or height, displacement, velocity, volume, area density make sense to him, however, he cannot comprehend the meaning of anything outside the 3D.

Just as the person in the 1D or 2D space, You will find it difficult to convince him that it is possible to have a higher dimension than 3D.

Paradox:
When an object is placed in a closed volume, he believes that it is scientifically impossible to bring out the object from within the volume without breaking the volume.
Of course, those who live within the 4D space will laugh at his folly. When such a feat is done before him by someone in the 4th dimension, he concludes that it must be a miracle

Christians have always spoken about God, Angels, Demons and the Spiritual Realm which in this case is at dimensions higher than 3 dimensions. We cannot tell if their dimensions is the 4th or 5th or 6th....1000th.
Atheists understandably think that any dimension higher than 3D is a figment of imagination.

Note:
Time is NOT a spatial dimension: time is a measure of intervals between events in 1D, 2D, 3D , 4D space


Question:
1. Is it reasonable to conclude unequivocally that higher dimensions than 3D do NOT exist in the Universe?
2. What kind of experiments would you advise scientists in the 2D world conduct to prove the existence of the 3D space?
3. Let's assume that by some Stroke of massive intelligence, scientists in the 2D space have perfect scientific knowledge of their space, would this knowledge be adequate in the 3D space?
4. We know that a person in a higher dimension can interact with those in the lower dimensions: is the converse possible?

gaskiyamagana:
In the robotical brain of some Christians when it comes to religious comparative discourse with Muslims; always
2 + 2 = 22
2 - 2 = 22
2 ÷ 2 = 22
2 × 2 = 22
If not, why and what is your problem(s) with the Quran calling Jesus Messiah and in the same Quran, l quoted Q5 :116 - 118 of same Jesus.
As l said, l am expecting how you are going to escape, from your corrupted sources of misinterpretations of Quran, the judgement of Allah as Jesus absolving himself of your excesses and handle you over to HIM.

Maybe you Muslims can explain how
Jesus is a human mesanger
Jesus is the Spirit of Allah
Jesus is the Word from Allah

How!?

gaskiyamagana:
Jargons
Rubbishes
As they are irrelevant to your sentence by Jesus in the presence of Allah as a result of your excesses on earth concerning him (Qur'an 5:116-118).

Your summarily discarding the truth doesn't make your untruths real. I have stated valid points to which you have no response.

1. Is it untrue that your Allah created Christianity?
2. Is it untrue that the Qur'an is filled with errors impossible for God to make?
3. Is it untrue that Mohammed commits the sin meant for the lowest humans and has it
validated by Allah?
4. Is it untrue that there is no validation either by other prophets nor miracles of Mohammed by Allah?
5. Is it untrue that the destiny of Allah exist and applies to all men?
6. Is it untrue that you Muslims don't know who Jubril really is?

The Quran is just the hadiths according to Mohammed: they are words of a "honoured messanger"

Dtruthspeaker:
Allah has 2 right hands? That is clearly a birth defect.

It is o!
Even animals except with birth defects are bilaterally symmetrical.
And the report was from Mohammed himself!
Sunan an-Nasa'i 5379 : Book 49, Hadith 1: Vol. 6, Book 49, Hadith 5381

The problem with Mohammed is that he talks too much. He knows geography, medicine, anatomy...ask Mohammed, he'll start speaking nonsense.

Now, his slaves have to clean up the hadiths with lies and deliberate omissions to protect him

thesilentman:
Because we live in proximity-same town, she wouldn't quit checking up on her daughter virtually every day or at least every other day.

I felt a deep intrusion on my privacy so yesterday I summoned the gut and asked her if she didn't have a house. Before she could reply, I told her, 'learn to stay where you belong! I did not marry daughter and mother!`
She has since disappeared into thin air.

This evening am thinking whether i bleeped up or not.

And if someone calls you a fool....

AntiChristian:
When you are ready you'll create your thread!

Escapist strategy as usual!

Humans have hands, Allah has hands!
Humans have shin, Allah has shin!
Allah looks like the Da'jjal with the exception that he has two eyes like humans!

Questions:
1. What does the shin of Allah look like?
What is the distinguishing features?
2. What then is the real shape of Allah?
(Is Allah a Transformer?)
3. Why do you think Mohammed compared Allah to the Da'jjal rather than comparing Jesus to the Da'jjal?
(After all, the Da'jjal is a man as Jesus is a man)
4. On the day of Resurrection, why would Muslims be waiting for the one to intercede for them? Where was Mohammed (the Muslims Intercessor) at this time the Muslims were rejecting Allah who came in another form to them?

TenQ:
SMH!

How about the Islamic view of God


Muslims are quick to claim that Allah is Indescribable and that nothing can be compared with him. This argument is used especially when they try to show that Allah cannot incarnate into a human form as claimed by Christians that God the Word became a Human incarnate as Christ Jesus.

Here, I want to show how Allah is indeed indescribable through his many shapes.

1. Allah: who has two Right Hands on his right shoulder

Sunan an-Nasa'i 5379
It was narrated from 'Abdullah bin 'Amr bin Al-'As that:
The Prophet [SAW] said: "Those who are just and fair will be with Allah, Most High, on thrones of light, at the right hand of the Most Merciful, those who are just in their rulings and in their dealings with their families and those of whom they are in charge." Muhammad (one of the narrators) said in his Hadith: "And both of His hands are right hands."
Sunan an-Nasa'i 5379 : Book 49, Hadith 1: Vol. 6, Book 49, Hadith 5381
Graduation: Sahih

Here we see that one of the distinguishing characteristics is that Allah does NOT have a left hand but he has two hands BOTH on his right shoulder. You will note that apart from in birth defects, there is no being like this.

The Origin of this hadith:
The Jews were found of tricking Mohammed with bogus narrations from their religion which the unlearned Mohammed will incorporate into his religion. This is one of them. They described to Mohammed the power of God and Mohammed added even to their narratives

2. Allah: with proper Left and Right Hands

Abdullah b. 'Umar reported Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) saying:
Allah, the Exalted and Glorious, would fold the Heavens on the Day of Judgment and then He would place them on His right hand and say: I am the Lord; where are the haughty and where are the proud (today)? He would fold the' earth (placing it) on the left hand and say: I am the Lord; where are the haughty and where are the proud (today)?
Sahih Muslim 2788a: Book 52, Hadith 7
Graduation: Sahih


Here we see that sometimes, Allah can have his two hands on both his left and right shoulders especially on the day of judgement. In other words, except Mohammed is fabricating narrations about Allah, Muslims should be confused about recognizing their Allah.

3. Allah: who looks like the Da'jjal (with the exception of the eye)

‘Ubadah ibn al-Samit reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said, “Verily, I have told you so much about the False Messiah that I fear you will not understand. Verily, the False Messiah is a short man, pigeon toed, curly haired, with one eye that is blind, neither protruding nor sunken. If you are confused about him, then know that your Lord does not have one eye.”
Source: Sunan Abī Dāwūd 4320
Grade: Sahih (authentic) according to Al-Albani


It is amazing that Mohammed did not compare the false Messiah with the real Messiah. He compared Da'jjal with Allah AND it seems that the basic difference is that Allah is not one eyed. The Da'jjal is short, fat AND one eyed

4. Allah: who is a Young Man
Mohammed claimed:

"I saw my Lord in the form of a young man having plenty of curly hair in a green dress."

Narrator: [/b]Abdullah bin Abbas | The narrator: Ibn Taymiyyah |
[b]Source: Statement of Dressing the Jahmiyyah,
page or number: 7/290
| A summary of the hadeeth’s verdict: Sahih
Graduation: It was included by Ibn Uday in ((Al-Kamil fi Al-Du’afa’) (2/260), Al-Bayhaqi in ((The Names and Attributes)) (938), and Ibn Al-Jawzi in ((The Infinite Illnesses)) (16) with a slight difference


Let me also give you the Arabic link
https://www.dorar.net/h/9k1WPsJH

Here Mohammed compared his Allah with a YOUNG man with curly hair. Who are those Muslims still insisting that there is nothing comparable to Allah! Is it their wishful thinking?

5. Allah: who is yet Unknown but another form with covered a "shin"

Bukhari :: Book 9 :: Volume 93 :: Hadith 532
Narrated Anas:

The Prophet said, "The believers will be kept (waiting) on the Day of Resurrection so long that they will become worried and say, "Let us ask somebody to intercede far us with our Lord so that He may relieve us from our place.
....

Volume 9, Book 93, Number 532s:
...
Let every nation follow what they used to worship,' and now we are waiting for our Lord.' Then the Almighty will come to them in a shape other than the one which they saw the first time, and He will say, 'I am your Lord,' and they will say , 'You are not our Lord.' And none will speak: to Him then but the Prophets, and then it will be said to them, 'Do you know any sign by which you can recognize Him?' They will say. 'The Shin,' and so Allah will then uncover His Shin whereupon every believer will prostrate before Him and there will remain those who used to prostrate before Him just for showing off and for gaining good reputation.
.....


Here we see Allah coming to Muslims in ANOTHER shape which Muslims feel is beneath Allah . If not because Allah showed the Muslim his legs, they would have rejected their God.

Conclusion:
You can see that it seems the reason why Allah is Indescribable is simply because he transforms into several shapes and forms so that it is difficult to pin him down to one shape



I humbly ask my Muslim friend to help me answer these questions
Questions:
1. What does the shin of Allah look like?
What is the distinguishing features?
2. What then is the real shape of Allah?
(Is Allah a Transformer?)
3. Why do you think Mohammed compared Allah to the Da'jjal rather than comparing Jesus to the Da'jjal?
(After all, the Da'jjal is a man as Jesus is a man)
4. On the day of Resurrection, why would Muslims be waiting for the one to intercede for them? Where was Mohammed (the Muslims Intercessor) at this time the Muslims were rejecting Allah who came in another form to them?

AntiChristian:
You should create your thread on that!

This one is for you!

I have shown you clearly that in Islam, Allah is described VERY anthropomorphically!

AntiChristian:
Christians should know that Islam is against any idea of God being anthropomorphic. It is something we cannot imagine to believe and even if we were to agree, we would agree to disagree.
The doctrine of God becoming man is what Christians claim non - Christians wouldn't be able to fathom unless we possess a spirit, a spirit best know to them.

As a theist, I find it preposterous, insulting and blasphemous to imagine, think and then believe that God who created the whole universe, the complex humans, the fishes, animals etc. will come down to eat, be circumcised, suffer in the hands of men and then crucified even though the Bible isn't specific about the time their God turned man was executed.

A trinitarian Christian is one to whom his thinking and beliefs are directly or indirectly same to one who is pantheistic or panentheistic, deistic, polytheistic, or anthropomorphic hence entirely different from a rational, logical thinking Muslim whose belief his based on " La ilaha illa Allah wa-Muhammad rasul Allah"

There is no deity worthy of worship except ALLAH and Muhammad is the prophet of Allah.

Say, "He is Allah, [who is] One,
Allah, the Eternal Refuge
He neither begets nor is born
Nor is there to Him any equivalent.

Argue with Deuteronomy 6:4, Mark 12:29, Isaiah 43 :11

Posted Originally by Bashir Lucas Samson Lukman

SMH!

How about the Islamic view of God


Muslims are quick to claim that Allah is Indescribable and that nothing can be compared with him. This argument is used especially when they try to show that Allah cannot incarnate into a human form as claimed by Christians that God the Word became a Human incarnate as Christ Jesus.

Here, I want to show how Allah is indeed indescribable through his many shapes.

1. Allah: who has two Right Hands on his right shoulder

Sunan an-Nasa'i 5379
It was narrated from 'Abdullah bin 'Amr bin Al-'As that:
The Prophet [SAW] said: "Those who are just and fair will be with Allah, Most High, on thrones of light, at the right hand of the Most Merciful, those who are just in their rulings and in their dealings with their families and those of whom they are in charge." Muhammad (one of the narrators) said in his Hadith: "And both of His hands are right hands."
Sunan an-Nasa'i 5379 : Book 49, Hadith 1: Vol. 6, Book 49, Hadith 5381
Graduation: Sahih

Here we see that one of the distinguishing characteristics is that Allah does NOT have a left hand but he has two hands BOTH on his right shoulder. You will note that apart from in birth defects, there is no being like this.

The Origin of this hadith:
The Jews were found of tricking Mohammed with bogus narrations from their religion which the unlearned Mohammed will incorporate into his religion. This is one of them. They described to Mohammed the power of God and Mohammed added even to their narratives

2. Allah: with proper Left and Right Hands

Abdullah b. 'Umar reported Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) saying:
Allah, the Exalted and Glorious, would fold the Heavens on the Day of Judgment and then He would place them on His right hand and say: I am the Lord; where are the haughty and where are the proud (today)? He would fold the' earth (placing it) on the left hand and say: I am the Lord; where are the haughty and where are the proud (today)?
Sahih Muslim 2788a: Book 52, Hadith 7
Graduation: Sahih


Here we see that sometimes, Allah can have his two hands on both his left and right shoulders especially on the day of judgement. In other words, except Mohammed is fabricating narrations about Allah, Muslims should be confused about recognizing their Allah.

3. Allah: who looks like the Da'jjal (with the exception of the eye)

‘Ubadah ibn al-Samit reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said, “Verily, I have told you so much about the False Messiah that I fear you will not understand. Verily, the False Messiah is a short man, pigeon toed, curly haired, with one eye that is blind, neither protruding nor sunken. If you are confused about him, then know that your Lord does not have one eye.”
Source: Sunan Abī Dāwūd 4320
Grade: Sahih (authentic) according to Al-Albani


It is amazing that Mohammed did not compare the false Messiah with the real Messiah. He compared Da'jjal with Allah AND it seems that the basic difference is that Allah is not one eyed. The Da'jjal is short, fat AND one eyed

4. Allah: who is a Young Man
Mohammed claimed:

"I saw my Lord in the form of a young man having plenty of curly hair in a green dress."

Narrator: [/b]Abdullah bin Abbas | The narrator: Ibn Taymiyyah |
[b]Source: Statement of Dressing the Jahmiyyah,
page or number: 7/290
| A summary of the hadeeth’s verdict: Sahih
Graduation: It was included by Ibn Uday in ((Al-Kamil fi Al-Du’afa’) (2/260), Al-Bayhaqi in ((The Names and Attributes)) (938), and Ibn Al-Jawzi in ((The Infinite Illnesses)) (16) with a slight difference[/quote]Let me also give you the Arabic link
https://www.dorar.net/h/9k1WPsJH

Here Mohammed compared his Allah with a YOUNG man with curly hair. Who are those Muslims still insisting that there is nothing comparable to Allah! Is it their wishful thinking?

5. Allah: who is yet Unknown but another form with covered a "shin"

Bukhari :: Book 9 :: Volume 93 :: Hadith 532
Narrated Anas:

The Prophet said, "The believers will be kept (waiting) on the Day of Resurrection so long that they will become worried and say, "Let us ask somebody to intercede far us with our Lord so that He may relieve us from our place.
....

Volume 9, Book 93, Number 532s:
...
Let every nation follow what they used to worship,' and now we are waiting for our Lord.' Then the Almighty will come to them in a shape other than the one which they saw the first time, and He will say, 'I am your Lord,' and they will say , 'You are not our Lord.' And none will speak: to Him then but the Prophets, and then it will be said to them, 'Do you know any sign by which you can recognize Him?' They will say. 'The Shin,' and so Allah will then uncover His Shin whereupon every believer will prostrate before Him and there will remain those who used to prostrate before Him just for showing off and for gaining good reputation.
.....


Here we see Allah coming to Muslims in ANOTHER shape which Muslims feel is beneath Allah . If not because Allah showed the Muslim his legs, they would have rejected their God.

Conclusion:
You can see that it seems the reason why Allah is Indescribable is simply because he transforms into several shapes and forms so that it is difficult to pin him down to one shape



I humbly ask my Muslim friend to help me answer these questions
Questions:
1. What does the shin of Allah look like?
What is the distinguishing features?
2. What then is the real shape of Allah?
(Is Allah a Transformer?)
3. Why do you think Mohammed compared Allah to the Da'jjal rather than comparing Jesus to the Da'jjal?
(After all, the Da'jjal is a man as Jesus is a man)
4. On the day of Resurrection, why would Muslims be waiting for the one to intercede for them? Where was Mohammed (the Muslims Intercessor) at this time the Muslims were rejecting Allah who came in another form to them?

ANAELEemm:
While the media may tag Russia to be losing, they are not losing. They are actually fighting the world. It sun to be truth from start that the intentions of NATO is to hand crept the Russian. But out smarted…. Ukraine getting help from everywhere around the world. Russian is only holding them down with one leg. Respect to the strategist

Russia started a war and they are reaping the consequences.

If Russia's problem was with NATO, there are better sensible ways of doing it

Unfortunately for Putin, greed was his downfall. He wanted the Old Soviet Union back and he thought the best way to achieving this was to annex her neighbours lands and territories

gaskiyamagana:
" AND (REMEMBER) WHEN ALLAH WILL SAY (ON THE DAY OF RESURRECTION) " O 'ISA (JESUS) ! ....... DID YOU SAY TO MEN : ' WORSHIP ME AND MY MOTHER AS TWO GODS BESIDES ALLAH?" . HE (JESUS) WILL SAY: " GLORIFIED ARE YOU! IT WAS NOT FOR ME TO WHAT I HAD NO RIGHT (TO SAY) ......... NEVER DID I SAY TO THEM AUGHT EXCEPT WHAT YOU (ALLAH) DID COMMAND ME TO SAY: 'WORSHIP ALLAH, MY LORD AND YOUR LORD ' , AND I WAS A WITNESS OVER THEM WHILE I DWELT AMONGST THEM .......... AND YOU ARE A WITNESS TO ALL THINGS. IF YOU PUNISH THEM, THEY ARE YOUR SLAVES, AND IF YOU FORGIVE THEM, VERILY YOU, ONLY YOU ARE ALL-MIGHTY , THE ALL-WISE" Q5 : 116 - 118.
By the content and context of the above verses :
1. No quality of faith, creed and doctrine , as well, no quantity of work the Christians - dead, living or unborn - do on earth are WASTED, REJECTED AND RUBBISHED hereafter.
2. A serious Muslim must be laughing at whoever is inviting him to accept Jesus. Or, he will ask such faith - hawker(s) , " Was it the same Jesus of the above verses or corrupted one in the corrupted Bible(s) ?
Over to you , Chancellor, Christian-Corrupt University for Islamic Studies (NairaLand Campus), to explain from your corrupted sources, how you are not going to suffer the fate above hereafter.

1. As long as your Allah created Christianity: there is no problem
2. As long as the Qur'an is filled with errors impossible for God to make, there is no problem
3. As long as Mohammed commits the sin meant for the lowest humans and has it
validated by Allah, there is no problem
4. As long as there is no validation either by other prophets nor miracles of Mohammed by Allah, there is no problem
5. As long as the destiny of Allah exist and applies to all men, there is no problem
6. As long as you don't know who Jubril is, there is no problem

jaephoenix:
1. Which god is that?
2. Why can't that god be created?

After you couldn't continue with the last thread you've jumped here. LOL


FYI
My post wasn't about "the name" of ANY Deity. My aim was to logically show that Something/Someone unnatural initiated the existence of this material universe.

From all you know:
1. Is it remotely possible that a System evolve out of chaos or nothing without guide from the external
2. Is it possible for the entropy of the universe decrease without help from outside the universe? (I gave the analogy of the assembly of a Boeing 747 or a Laptop to illustrate this)

You want a name for this God!?
No, it's not my objective. Sorry!

My objective was to prove a necessity of a force not of natural origin that set forth the universe.

On your second question:
Why do you think according to natural laws that such a Creative Force/Identity external to our universe be created?

Kingsnairaland:
You speak like one completely naive

Not "you are naive!"

sonmvayina:
I don't do idols..

Where di the Christian get the idea of jesus from? That you rushed to believe?

You do!
Are you denying your idols Ala or Amadiọha or Anyanwụ or Ekwensu?

Kingsnairaland:
we are having a great discussion you then bring in insult so go to the next door I don't have time for insult.

Check carefully, I NEVER insulted you!

I wouldn't do that

Kingsnairaland:
You have to make proper example

It like France came to Nigeria and lived here and born mixed race of France and Nigeria children together and they speak only French

and later wanted to have there own nation and Nigeria refuse that how you would have put it to understand it

And Nigeria starts to kill them and France comes to save them

Hope you now understand it

Like South Africa white are mainly UK descendant and South Africa starts to kill them will UK sit and clap

Those in donbas are descendant of Russia population that mixed with Ukraine on that four regions Russia took newly.

You speak like one completely naive in the knowledge of international politics.

1. All autonomous regions in what was the old Ukraine province of Soviet Union signed to be part of Ukraine and not Russia (including Donbas, Cremia and Kherson regions)
2. All was well between Russia and Ukraine until the Pro-russian President Lukashenko was booted out of office in 2014
3. Putin used the opportunity to annex Cremia AND armed the Donbas region to start a fight to break away.
4. The normal course of action was to write the United Nations if they want to be autonomous from Ukraine so that it would be deliberated upon.
5. In 2021 Russia decided to annex the whole of the corridor from Donbas to Cremia thereby completely cutting Ukraine off from the sea.

1. Tell me, why did Russia annex Cremia as it belongs to Ukraine!
2. What was Putins objectives?
3. Did the plan work?

sonmvayina:
Olodo...it is rude to answer a question with a question..

Answer mine, I will answer yours...

Just show where your idols stated the reality then we can talk. Otherwise, you are a mad man ranting about figments of your imagination: I have no time for that