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Christianity Etc › Re: The Concept Of SIN: Islam Versus Christianity by TenQ(op): 3:32pm On May 21, 2023

gaskiyamagana:
Story , story, story
What does Qur'an is the Word of Muhammad has to do with Jesus disclaiming you before Almighty Allah, the main issue I am handling with you, and of which you have tried hard to divert attention with absolutely irrelevant matter of your hatred -combined ignorant ?

Just to prove that this is a Fabrication, can you tell us
1. What happened when Allah asked if Jesus was told if he had told his people to take her mother and himself as partners with Allah
2. Who was there as evidence among the disciples of Jesus for this conversation between Allah and Jesus

I am sure you don't have an answer.

The WHOLE of the Qur'an is a LIE, a FABRICATION of an impostor and false prophet called Mohammed aka Qutham!

And I gave you reasons which you have not objected to.

1. Is it untrue that the Qur'an is filled with errors impossible for God to make?

Examples:
1. Allah dictated the Qur'an isn't it: then he must be perfect without errors. However, when Allah says women have sperms coming from their chest one and men have sperms from their backbone, we wonder if the author of the Qur'an was God.

2. If Allah can claim that the Sun sets in murky waters, we wonder if he can be God!
A proof that the Quran is the work of an unlearned Arabian man

3. If Allah can tell the story of Solomon Dieing for almost a year while standing with his walking stick, we think this is silly!

4. Have you heard of the legend of the Seven Sleepers? How come Allah copied a known fable and put it in the Qur'an without acknowledging the monk who wrote the original story?

Are these untrue statement about your Qur'an?

2. The author of the Qur'an even when introduced himself in the Qur'an as Mohammed

So, you can see clearly that the Qur'an is the Words of Mohammed
Qur'an 69:40
Indeed, the Qur'an is the word of a noble Messenger.

Christianity Etc › Re: The Philosophy Of Spatial Dimensions And the Spiritual Realm by TenQ(op): 3:26pm On May 21, 2023

Wilgrea7:
Yes, but here's the thing. I feel like a 2-d object, even if taken out of it's current subsection of 3-d reality, would still only be able to experience a 2d subsection of 3d reality, albeit another one. A true 2d object IN the surface of a cube can be moved to another surface, but i doubt its senses would permit it to experience 3d reality. it would have to somehow be transformed into a 3d object first.

Christians have always thought that a human being is a Trinity of
A Body: Which is the physical biological self
A Soul: Our Consciousness defined by our Will, Emotion and Intellect
A Spirit: Which is the component of our being able to interact with the higher dimensions eg God. The only thing is that we all were born with a defective Spirit (like in comatose)

Each of these component is fully US in three different dimensions.
-With our Body, we interact with the Physical Environment
-With our Spirit, we interact with the Spiritual Environment
-With our Soul, we interact with our Internal/Personal Environment

With our Spirit, we have
1. Conscience: Innate ability to distinguish between write and wrong, good and evil.
2. Intuition: Spontaneous knowledge/awareness which has nothing to do with learning or processing

Why all these background?
Depending on how damaged or healthy our spirit is, we are made available to the spirit environment good or bad.

In other words, even though you are correct in your submission, it is not impossible to interact with the higher spiritual dimensions. Unfortunately, it is ALWAYS at a subjective level

Wilgrea7:
True
I don't think any agnostic holds the position that they have "concluded" that gods or higher dimensions do not exist. Although I'll say i can only speak for myself.

I'm more than open to the idea of gods, or higher dimensions existing as people have defined them. But in the absence of evidence, I simply do not subscribe to the position that these things do exist. Although I'm not also saying that these things CAN'T exist. I'm just saying due to the lack of evidence, I'm not convinced that they do.

Imagine this scenario. Imagine 2 entities in flatland. I'll call them A and B. A says to B that their world, flatland is in a 3-d space called an office, and it is surrounded completely by yellow indescribable shapes.

Could he be right? Absolutely. But he could also be wrong. their flatland could be at the bottom of the ocean, or a room where nothing is yellow. In the absence of tangible evidence, it doesn't make much sense to believe one claim over the other.

This is exactly the Problem:
An Agnostic is first an atheist looking for a TANGIBLE evidence (usually physical evidence)

This is not impossible, but not everyone is given the favour. Many Atheists for instance has abandoned atheism because they had a compelling Near Death Experience (NDE). Unfortunately , even this is a SUBJECTIVE experience of the person who had the NDE.

Even without any compelling experience, logic tells me that the multilayers of interdependent SYSTEMS that make up our existence as the apex biological being cannot be a spontaneous accident which just happened to evolve us and Programmed every thing.

Wilgrea7:
Thanks. I will do that.

No problems: fastest way to read a book.
LOL!

Wilgrea7:
Of course I completely agree with this. It was one of the possible theories I thought about in relation to what happened at the big bang. It's an interesting concept to think about. But I'm afraid it once again falls into the category of things we don't know yet

There are too many things the limitations of our 3D spatial dimensions will not allow us to know. The statistical odds of a planet like earth is staggering to say the least.
The statistical odds (in 3D) for the Programming of Living things is impossible.

It's like saying, given several sets of the complete alpha numeric characters AND an infinite number of times to randomly juggle them up, is it possible to arrive at the complete C/C++ code with required header to print on a VDU "Hello World!"?
Even if it is possible, the code is not useful until there exists a language Interpreter or Compiler.
+Our DNA is such a complex code complete with its compiler/interpreter
+Our Soul is such a complex code complete with its compiler/interpreter

It is impossible for me to think that thede all happened by accident: I point to One higher than my Dimension as the author.

Christianity Etc › Re: Is Hellfire Enough Deterrent For Sin? by TenQ: 2:35pm On May 21, 2023

Scarcity234:
Have you ever disinfected you toilet?
Yes...

Are you confirming that you are a genocidal mass murderer?
No...

Why not?

You are murdering innocent bacteria for doing nothing other than feeding on faecal wasted in your toilet. You are being genocidal because you are of different class!

Why are you not a murderer and genocidal human being?

Hell is a place where those who reject God and His rule are isolated!

Christianity Etc › Re: Is Hellfire Enough Deterrent For Sin? by TenQ: 12:29pm On May 21, 2023

Scarcity234:
And they're to be tormented forever??
Does this make God better than those he's supposedly tormenting??

Here's what I believe...
There's is God...
There's heaven..
And the punishment for those that sinned is a cessation of their existence, a return to the dust from which they were created.

LOL!
Tell me!

Have you ever disinfected you toilet?
If Yes!

Are you confirming that you are a genocidal mass murderer?

Christianity Etc › Re: The Philosophy Of Spatial Dimensions And the Spiritual Realm by TenQ(op): 12:16pm On May 21, 2023

Wilgrea7:
I actually used to agree with this before. But after trying to study the nature and meaning of infinity, I've become a bit more on the fence here.

But that being said, even if infinite regress is impossible, there's still every possibility that the alleged gods could have their own gods, leading up to the 5th, 6th, or even 20th dimension. But like you said earlier, there's simply no way for us to know.

So many things point in this direction in our physical realm
+The Law of Entropy forbid infinite regress of cause and effect
+ The natural laws have not always existed
+ Matter had not always existed

Even if their are higher dimensions, the Creator Himself must be the Highest so that everything/other dimensions exist only in Him.

Wilgrea7:
2. Except if everything is like fractals: the more you look, the more you see! LOL!
The factor of infinity between one dimension and the next dimension is particularly interesting.

It truly is.

Agreed!

Wilgrea7:
Just some thought Questions (has nothing to do with spiritualism)
If a 1D line space is curved into 2D plane, would the objects within even know that they have traversed a movement in 2D?
Or a 2D plane curved into a circle, would the objects within even know that they have traversed a movement in 3D?

In most cases, I don't think so. I want to use the example of a 2-d plane, or what you'll call flatland.

I believe for something to truly be 2d, it must not have any height. The inclusion of height just makes it a very, very incredibly short 3-d object.

If the 2d object cannot have any concept of height, then the object itself must have no height. Like a stain on a piece of fabric or something. It's existence lies completely within the boundary of the fabric.

If that's the case, then regardless of how a 2d plane is curved into 3d, the 2d object would not notice. It could observe that it arrives at it's starting point after traveling in a straight line after a long period of time, but i feel like it would consider that more or less a sort of maze, than to actually notice the curve in the 2d plane.

But again, that's just my theory. I could be wrong.

I think you have said it perfectly.
The only thing is that if the 1D space is within a force field like gravity. The person in this dimension will treat every change as an anomaly.

Wilgrea7:
Also, it does lead to an interesting question. What if the 2d object is actually just a 3d object with an incredibly tiny and unnoticeable height? I think that just makes things really interesting.

Must spatial dimensions always be an integer?

Oh.. now this is even more complex. It's insane to think that there could be a 2.5d dimension. I admit. My human brain stops functioning just thinking about it.

It is incredible seeing that even though we know so much, we are still limited by the spatial dimension through which we are constrained.

There is nothing that says non integer dimensions could not exist. Impossible to visualize yet it could lead to a destroying of the very foundation of our basic sciences.

Foreign Affairs › Re: Fmr. Russia President, Medvedev Replies Elon Musk's 2022 Tweet About Bakhmut by TenQ: 11:16am On May 21, 2023

ledaman:
There is a popular say,that if you can't beat them you joined them.
You are correct. Cremia may not be restored back, but lives would be saved. going to war is not the best option. Especially when it involved super powers like US and other developed counties. They are using Ukraine country as testing ground for weapons and power tussle.
Do you know despite the multiple sanctions Russia economy is still strong!

The Question is:
Is Ukraine happy that Russia has annexed part of their land? No!
If they had the power to collect their lands from Russia, would they take it?

Does Russia think Ukraine can remain loyal and friendly to them without restoring back their seized possessions?

Zelensky was asked to flee Ukraine but he chose to stay: meaning that Ukraine was willing to fight IF ONLY they have support in equipment.

Russia's economy is not strong again o even though their economy has not collapsed. China is buying oil from Russia at heavily discounted price. It doesn't pay them.

Russia played a stupid international political gambit. What they should do was to create their own equivalent of NATO and expand up to Cuba, Mexico and Argentina.

Unfortunately, Putin wanted Cremia because of the military value for the control of the black sea!

All Russia's neighbors are afraid of them: including Ukraine, Finland, Poland, Sweden!
Why? Is it about NATO again?

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Christianity Etc › Re: Is Hellfire Enough Deterrent For Sin? by TenQ: 11:04am On May 21, 2023

Simeonjoe1:
But but the wages of sin is death

But there are three kinds of death
1. Physical Death
2. Spiritual Death
3. Second Death

Death is a Disconnection between entities.

Second Death is the eternal DISCONNECTION between God and the person in the prison of the rejected called the Lake of fire

Christianity Etc › Re: The Philosophy Of Spatial Dimensions And the Spiritual Realm by TenQ(op): 10:59am On May 21, 2023

Wilgrea7:
Exactly. I love the bolded statement.

I meant:
Of course it is impossible to be unequivocally sure that higher dimensions than 3D do NOT exist in the Universe because, even if it exists, there is no way we can be sure using the information available to our senses. It takes only the being in the higher dimensions to make us enter the knowledge of his dimension.
In other words , such knowledge will remain perpetually SUBJECTIVE!

The implication is that their is no physical instrument in our dimension that will be useful to proving or disproving the higher dimensions.

Wilgrea7:
I'm not sure I'd say agnosticism is a choice to not be bothered by reality. As an agnostic, the possible answers to questions like gods or higher dimensions do bother me.

But I also understand that there's a number of forms these answers could take, and I'm not too eager to choose one over the other in the lack of reasonable evidence. And that doesn't even take into account the fact that the answers to these questions could be something completely different from what we could possibly fathom.

Unfortunately, the default of Agnostics is that they do not have enough compelling physical EVIDENCE of the existence of the higher dimensions hence it is outrightly REJECTED.
Are Agnostic seeking or they have concluded?

Wilgrea7:
I didn't know there was a novel. I once watched a video where the late Carl Sagan described flatland in an attempt to explain a possible 4th dimensional object (a tesseract). Perhaps I'll check out the novel.

Well said

You can use ChatGPT to summarise the story. Just type the prompt:
Summarise the Novel Flatland by Edwin A. Abbott.
You may not need to read the whole novel.

Someone asked the Question:
Can something be created out of Nothing?

When the question is rephrased in a 2D space, the answer becomes very clear. Nothing in 2D space means absence of things in this space. It objects in 3D space will be completely invisible as long as there is no intersection of their plane of existence with the object. When an object in 3D space is brought into the 2D plane, there is a sudden appearance (to them, a creation from Nothing).

Rom 4:17:
"(As it is written, I have made you a father of many nations, ) before him whom he believed, even God, who vivifies the dead, and calls those things which be not as though they were."

Let there be Light, and there was Light!

Christianity Etc › Re: The Philosophy Of Spatial Dimensions And the Spiritual Realm by TenQ(op): 10:35am On May 21, 2023

LordReed:
Oh I forgot we are using a satirical work of science fiction as our textbook. Silly me asking for scientific evidence when we are discussing science fiction. LoLz.

You are just being a clown: acting silly because he doesn't want to face the issue on ground!

Christianity Etc › Re: The Concept Of SIN: Islam Versus Christianity by TenQ(op): 10:28am On May 21, 2023

gaskiyamagana:
Once again, why and why you are unable to bring out disclaimer of Qur'an 5:116-118 as the hereafter fate of the Christians from your dubious sources as qouted above? As long as you can not do that, you are just a nuisance in discussing Islamic issues.

I have brought the disclaimer of the Qur'an out several times in this thread.

The WHOLE of the Qur'an is a LIE, a FABRICATION of an impostor and false prophet called Mohammed aka Qutham!

And I gave you reasons which you have not objected to.

1. Is it untrue that the Qur'an is filled with errors impossible for God to make?

Examples:
1. Allah dictated the Qur'an isn't it: then he must be perfect without errors. However, when Allah says women have sperms coming from their chest one and men have sperms from their backbone, we wonder if the author of the Qur'an was God.

2. If Allah can claim that the Sun sets in murky waters, we wonder if he can be God!
A proof that the Quran is the work of an unlearned Arabian man

3. If Allah can tell the story of Solomon Dieing for almost a year while standing with his walking stick, we think this is silly!

4. Have you heard of the legend of the Seven Sleepers? How come Allah copied a known fable and put it in the Qur'an without acknowledging the monk who wrote the original story?

Are these untrue statement about your Qur'an?

2. The author of the Qur'an even when introduced himself in the Qur'an as Mohammed

So, you can see clearly that the Qur'an is the Words of Mohammed
Qur'an 69:40
Indeed, the Qur'an is the word of a noble Messenger.

Christianity Etc › Re: The Philosophy Of Spatial Dimensions And the Spiritual Realm by TenQ(op): 9:07am On May 21, 2023

LordReed:
Show me the science that backs up the dimensions you speak about.

Since you think it is science, you may wish to help me out!
If you cannot read and follow: you are beyond help!

Cornered and now looking for technicalities!
SMH!

Christianity Etc › Re: Is Hellfire Enough Deterrent For Sin? by TenQ: 6:24am On May 21, 2023

paxonel:
Why do people will rather choose not to be sinful, is it because of the fear of hell fire or because of the fear of the immediate or later consequences?

I know that everyone make mistakes in life, but what kind of mistake do attract hellfire punishment?

Is hellfire enough deterrent for any sin all?
Has anyone had the misfortune to go to hellfire and was back to life, what was your experience?

Matthew 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

Is the devil and his angels tormenting people in hellfire enough deterrent for sin?

1. Hell was not made to be a deterrent for sin, it was made as a place to put creatures who are useless to God and his Will.
2. It is erroneous to think that the devil and his Angels torment people in hell: hell is also a torment for them. Everyone in hell is suffering his wages

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Christianity Etc › Re: Finally Read The Quran. Muslims Know More About Jesus Than So Called Christians. by TenQ: 6:17am On May 21, 2023

Negroid001:
So many biblical characters are in the Quran which include Jesus, Moses, Joseph, Abraham, Mary, Isaac and a host of others.
The Quran acknowledges Jesus as God sent but not as his son, which is logical in every sense. Jesus is mentioned 33 times in the Quran, this tells how Jesus is well regarded. Any Christian that thinks they know so much will be humbled if they open the Quran.

There's a lot mistakes in the now circulated Bible which after undergoing many translations from language to language and certain books being omitted has lost it's true sense of message. The old testament was written in a now dead ancient Hebrew language.

The Quran is more accurate with the pronunciations of Biblical names than the Bible itself. Take Jesus for example, there's no letter J in the hebrew or greek language. Where did the J in Jesus name come from? See the error? Muslims call him Isa. Isa is closer to the how the name should be pronounced which is Iēsous or Yeshua.

1. Allah dictated the Qur'an isn't it: then he must be perfect without errors. However, when Allah says women have sperms coming from their chest one and men have sperms from their backbone, we wonder if the author of the Qur'an was God.

2. If Allah can claim that the Sun sets in murky waters, we wonder if he can be God!
A proof that the Quran is the work of an unlearned Arabian man

3. If Allah can tell the story of Solomon Dieing for almost a year while standing with his walking stick, we think this is silly!

4. Have you heard of the legend of the Seven Sleepers? How come Allah copied a known fable and put it in the Qur'an without acknowledging the monk who wrote the original story?

Are these untrue statement about your Qur'an?

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Christianity Etc › Re: The Concept Of SIN: Islam Versus Christianity by TenQ(op): 5:55am On May 21, 2023

gaskiyamagana:
" ...... certainly in vain made it, the pen of the scribe is in vain..." . This is just one out of thousands of interpolation, tampering, infiltration and adulteration of the Bible KEY words.
1. How, in English meaning and nearness in meaning is VAIN and LIE as used in the Bible l quoted and the one you qouted ?
2. Why the sentence is reconstructed to loose the implication of the content ? Holy spirit or holy lie at work?
Let the adulteration and interpolation of the Bible continue in order to seal your DOOM of Q5:116-118.

Is it untrue that your insinuation and attack was directed against the bible as you called it FALSEHOOD (a Lie)!
If you are correct, it can only mean that either Allah and Mohammed are the ignorant ones while you are of knowledge or both Allah and Mohammed are liars and you are the truthful one

gaskiyamagana:
" ...... the Qur'an is based on FALSEHOOD ..." According to your bigotry and poor reasoning.; not according to Qur'an itself.
FALSEHOOD of the Bible according to itself is below :
"HOW CAN YOU SAY, 'WE ARE WISE AND THE LAW OF THE LORD IS WITH US; BUT BEHOLD! THE FALSE PEN OF THE SCRIBES ( THEN AND AS OF TODAY IN DIFFERENT BIBLE EDITION) HAD MADE IT INTO LIE" JEREMIAH 8:8.

Your expectations or respond to the above is not and can never change On Your Own status of you as Jesus will declare before Almighty Allah, Q5:116-118.

So, if the Bible was corrupted according to you, :

1. Who is lying between you and Allah?
Quran 5.47
So let the people of the book rule according to what God revealed in it. Those who do not rule according to what God revealed are the sinners.

Here Allah is saying people who don't follow what's written in the corrupted bible are sinners
Quran 5.43
But why do they come to you for judgment, when they have the Torah, in which is God’s Law? Yet they turn away after that. These are not believers.

Don't they have the Torah again at the time of Mohammed

2. Who is lying between you and Mohammed?
Let me remind you again
Tell me, was Mohammed Lying Here?
Sunan Abi Dawud 4449
Narrated Abdullah Ibn Umar:
A group of Jews came and invited the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) to Quff. So he visited them in their school.
They said: AbulQasim, one of our men has committed fornication with a woman; so pronounce judgment upon them. They placed a cushion for the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) who sat on it and said: Bring the Torah. It was then brought. He then withdrew the cushion from beneath him and placed the Torah on it saying: I believed in thee and in Him Who revealed thee.

He then said: Bring me one who is learned among you. Then a young man was brought. The transmitter then mentioned the rest of the tradition of stoning similar to the one transmitted by Malik from Nafi'(No. 4431).

I guess Mohammed is either a liar or a false prophet

Sahih al-Bukhari 7362
Narrated Abu Huraira:
The people of the Book used to read the Torah in Hebrew and then explain it in Arabic to the Muslims. Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) said (to the Muslims). "Do not believe the people of the Book, nor disbelieve them, but say, 'We believe in Allah and whatever is revealed to us, and WHATEVER is revealed to you.' "
Who is is speaking the TRUTH, you or your prophet?

Now answer me:
1. Is it untrue that your Allah created Christianity?
2. Is it untrue that the Qur'an is filled with errors impossible for God to make?
3. Is it untrue that Mohammed commits the sin meant for the lowest humans and has it
validated by Allah?
4. Is it untrue that there is no validation either by other prophets nor miracles of Mohammed by Allah?
5. Is it untrue that the destiny of Allah exist and applies to all men?
6. Is it untrue that you Muslims don't know who Jubril really is?

The Quran is just the hadiths according to Mohammed: they are words of a "honoured messanger"
So, you can see clearly that the Qur'an is the Words of Mohammed
Qur'an 69:40
Indeed, the Qur'an is the word of a noble Messenger.

Christianity Etc › Re: The Philosophy Of Spatial Dimensions And the Spiritual Realm by TenQ(op): 10:41pm On May 20, 2023

LordReed:
Find out the meaning of dimension.

Question the limitations of the 3D world!

I think from my writeup, except you are pretending, you know exactly the kind of dimensions I speak about!

Foreign Affairs › Re: Fmr. Russia President, Medvedev Replies Elon Musk's 2022 Tweet About Bakhmut by TenQ: 10:39pm On May 20, 2023

ledaman:
He should have embraced diplomacy, not war

If he embraced diplomacy, can you guarantee that
1. Putin will restore Cremia back to Ukraine
2. Putin will restore back the land corridor through Donbas to Cremia

AND
Why?

Foreign Affairs › Re: Fmr. Russia President, Medvedev Replies Elon Musk's 2022 Tweet About Bakhmut by TenQ: 9:21pm On May 20, 2023

ecolime:
Zelensky is the worst dummy on earth.

For protecting his nation!?

What do you think Zelensky should have done?

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Foreign Affairs › Re: Fmr. Russia President, Medvedev Replies Elon Musk's 2022 Tweet About Bakhmut by TenQ: 9:19pm On May 20, 2023

lhordspy:
God bless Mother Russia.

Bakhmut is erased from the map by Russia in the cause of liberating it!

SMH!

What do you think is the ultimate objective of Putin with this senseless war?

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Foreign Affairs › Re: 'Bakhmut Is Down' - Russia Captures Bakhmut City In Ukraine (Photo) by TenQ: 9:16pm On May 20, 2023

lhordspy:
Bakhmut went down, just like Mariupol city. The hardest and brutal way possible, so bloody that it only exist in horror movies.

Zelensky, aided by the western media propaganda were covering up the daily loses there just like Mariupol. They never admitted to the ongoing slaughter of the Ukranian forces daily. Instead they covered it up for cheap chestbeating in the media. They kept sending the soldiers to their death.

Bllions of dollar worth of military equipment, aid, assistance from US, UK and other war-mongers ,flushed down the drain. Even the medicore overhyped Patrotiic-missile system couldn't save anyone. No wonder US backed-Ta!wan President stated it clearly yesterday, that they will never go to war with Ch!na no matter what. Everybody is finally seeing the reality in Ukraine. If US succeed in pushing anyone to war with its neighbour. They are on their own.

Another fascinating thing is that Zelensky is currently on world tour presently, from Arab nation to G7 Nations; begging for more weapons. More billions of dollar to waste, more lives of innocent soldiers to sacrifice just to please his puppeteer.

This isnt just a win for Russia. It is a win for world peace.

Russia loves the people of Bakhmut so much and they have liberated them only that no landlord exist again.

SMH!

What do you think is the overall objective for Putin's invasion of Ukraine?

Christianity Etc › Re: Know Your Religion Population (pictures) by TenQ: 9:08pm On May 20, 2023

Nazgul:
Religion remains the cankerworm that has prevented Africa from developing. The day the African man puts common sense before religion, we would find ourselves rubbing shoulders with the west.

You believe that instead of changing our mindset about research, technology and innovation for self development, all we need to do is eliminate religion and our backwardness would be over!?

SMH!

Christianity Etc › Re: The Philosophy Of Spatial Dimensions And the Spiritual Realm by TenQ(op): 8:52pm On May 20, 2023

LordReed:
Ok we've heard. Thank you.

LOL!
Message passed!

Question the limitations of the 3D world!

Christianity Etc › Re: The Philosophy Of Spatial Dimensions And the Spiritual Realm by TenQ(op): 4:59pm On May 20, 2023

1. Just as it looks like foolishness to a person who lives in a 2D world comprehending descriptions of the 3D world,
So also
It looks like foolishness to Atheists who lives in the 3D world comprehending descriptions of the spirit realm.

2. Just as a person who lives in a 2D world would ask stupid questions with respect to the 3D world,
So also
Atheists who lives in the 3D world will ask stupid questions with respect to the spirit realm.

3. Just as it is IMPOSSIBLE for a person who lives in a 2D world to objectively comprehend issues with respect to the 3D world,
So also
It would be IMPOSSIBLE for Atheists who lives in the 3D world to comprehend issues with respect to the spirit realm.

Knowing God is a subjective experience!
Any God that can be brought into the Laboratory of the 3D space is an idol.

Christianity Etc › Re: The Philosophy Of Spatial Dimensions And the Spiritual Realm by TenQ(op): 7:52am On May 20, 2023

LordReed:
Yes go continue to bask in ignorance. Bye.

I'll like you to read this book if you can

Flatland: A Romance of Many Dimensions"
It is a satirical novella written by Edwin A. Abbott

Christianity Etc › Re: The Philosophy Of Spatial Dimensions And the Spiritual Realm by TenQ(op): 7:46am On May 20, 2023

LordReed:
You read it.

SMH!
You got nothing meaningful to say so, have a nice day!

Christianity Etc › Re: The Concept Of SIN: Islam Versus Christianity by TenQ(op): 3:15am On May 20, 2023

gaskiyamagana:
What is their own wrong?
Which God's Words (law)they rejected?
Where are their own interpretations? Not in the present day Bibles?
Why you have no quotation(s) from your dubious sources about dead, living and unborn Christians' DOOM on the Day of Resurrection as contained in your Words of Muhammad 5:116-118 ?

First admit that either you are wrong or your prophet is a liar!

You have no arguments!

Now answer me:
1. Is it untrue that your Allah created Christianity?
2. Is it untrue that the Qur'an is filled with errors impossible for God to make?
3. Is it untrue that Mohammed commits the sin meant for the lowest humans and has it
validated by Allah?
4. Is it untrue that there is no validation either by other prophets nor miracles of Mohammed by Allah?
5. Is it untrue that the destiny of Allah exist and applies to all men?
6. Is it untrue that you Muslims don't know who Jubril really is?

Christianity Etc › Re: The Philosophy Of Spatial Dimensions And the Spiritual Realm by TenQ(op): 3:13am On May 20, 2023

LordReed:
LoLz! You r brain must still be booting, where did I say Space and Dimensions doesn't exist in both?

Read the highlighted in yellow!

Christianity Etc › Re: The Philosophy Of Spatial Dimensions And the Spiritual Realm by TenQ(op): 7:37pm On May 19, 2023

LordReed:
LoLz. Thank you for proving you truly are ignorant of what you are trying to discuss. Yes space in mathematics and dimension in physics are 2 different things. You would have known that if you even bothered to educate your ignorant self.

You were the one sounding all high on your ignorance talking about philosophy and with a simple question showed yourself to be nothing but the loud empty barrel.

Educate yourself just a little, I have shown you a glimpse. Don't remain ignorant.

Please, Professor LordReed,
Teach us the difference between space and dimensions in physics and mathematics?
SMH!

Correction please:
Space and Dimensions both exist in physics and mathematics! I don't know where you got this from professor of physics and mathematics

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Christianity Etc › Re: The Philosophy Of Spatial Dimensions And the Spiritual Realm by TenQ(op): 7:07pm On May 19, 2023

LordReed:
I suggest you are misunderstanding and misrepresenting what you are attempting to talk about and that is why you cannot point out the principles.

I already directed you to find out what space means in mathematics, now I will also add that you find out what dimension means in physics. Those 2 taken together will help you better understand the topic.

LOL!
So you believe your misdirections will bail you out of your predicament! SMH!

In your ignorance, you think that dimensions or space mean different things in mathematics and physics! SMH!

What are the principles you know?

No wonder you are coming up with nonsensical questions like:
Show me the philosophical principles that deal with n-dimensional space ?

Christianity Etc › Re: The Concept Of SIN: Islam Versus Christianity by TenQ(op): 6:43pm On May 19, 2023

gaskiyamagana:
" ...... the Qur'an is based on FALSEHOOD ..." According to your bigotry and poor reasoning.; not according to Qur'an itself.
FALSEHOOD of the Bible according to itself is below :
"HOW CAN YOU SAY, 'WE ARE WISE AND THE LAW OF THE LORD IS WITH US; BUT BEHOLD! THE FALSE PEN OF THE SCRIBES ( THEN AND AS OF TODAY IN DIFFERENT BIBLE EDITION) HAD MADE IT INTO LIE" JEREMIAH 8:8.

Your expectations or respond to the above is not and can never change On Your Own status of you as Jesus will declare before Almighty Allah, Q5:116-118.

It always amazes me when people like you take just a verse and run off like rabbits pursued by hounds of ravenous wolves.

Jer 8:5-6,8-9:
"Why then is this people of Jerusalem slid back by a perpetual backsliding? they hold fast deceit, they refuse to return. I listened and heard, but they spoke not aright: no man repented him of his wickedness, saying, What have I done? every one turned to his course, as the horse rushes into the battle. … How do you say, We are wise, and the law of the LORD is with us? See, certainly in vain made he (the scribes) it; the pen of the scribes is in vain. The wise men are ashamed, they are dismayed and taken: see, they have rejected the word of the LORD; and what wisdom is in them?"

i. The scribes are the teachers in Israel
ii. They refused to acknowledge their own wrong
iii. They rejected the word of God and write their own interpretation
iv. God tells them of their judgement because they have rejected God's words

I pity you my friend,
You don't mind throwing your prophet under the bus just to win an argument.

Tell me, Is Mohammed Lying Here?
Sunan Abi Dawud 4449
Narrated Abdullah Ibn Umar:
A group of Jews came and invited the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) to Quff. So he visited them in their school.
They said: AbulQasim, one of our men has committed fornication with a woman; so pronounce judgment upon them. They placed a cushion for the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) who sat on it and said: Bring the Torah. It was then brought. He then withdrew the cushion from beneath him and placed the Torah on it saying: I believed in thee and in Him Who revealed thee.

He then said: Bring me one who is learned among you. Then a young man was brought. The transmitter then mentioned the rest of the tradition of stoning similar to the one transmitted by Malik from Nafi'(No. 4431).

I guess Mohammed is either a liar or a false prophet

Sahih al-Bukhari 7362
Narrated Abu Huraira:
The people of the Book used to read the Torah in Hebrew and then explain it in Arabic to the Muslims. Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) said (to the Muslims). "Do not believe the people of the Book, nor disbelieve them, but say, 'We believe in Allah and whatever is revealed to us, and WHATEVER is revealed to you.' "
Who is is speaking the TRUTH, you or your prophet?

1. So, to you, everything people write is the scripture!? SMH!
2. If they are not prophets what could they be writing: scriptures!?
3. How come they didn't re-write the scriptures where the Prophets prophesied their destruction?

Now answer me:
1. Is it untrue that your Allah created Christianity?
2. Is it untrue that the Qur'an is filled with errors impossible for God to make?
3. Is it untrue that Mohammed commits the sin meant for the lowest humans and has it
validated by Allah?
4. Is it untrue that there is no validation either by other prophets nor miracles of Mohammed by Allah?
5. Is it untrue that the destiny of Allah exist and applies to all men?
6. Is it untrue that you Muslims don't know who Jubril really is?

The Quran is just the hadiths according to Mohammed: they are words of a "honoured messanger"
So, you can see clearly that the Qur'an is the Words of Mohammed
Qur'an 69:40
Indeed, the Qur'an is the word of a noble Messenger.

Christianity Etc › Re: The Philosophy Of Spatial Dimensions And the Spiritual Realm by TenQ(op): 4:21pm On May 19, 2023

LordReed:
Then it shouldn't be hard for you to show me the philosophical principles underlying what you are talking about.

What do you suggest or think?
Is it different from the principles you know?

Christianity Etc › Re: The Philosophy Of Spatial Dimensions And the Spiritual Realm by TenQ(op): 4:05pm On May 19, 2023

Wilgrea7:
And If I may add @TenQ, ... even if higher dimensions of space existed, I feel like the nature of these alleged dimensions, or more accurately, the nature of "objective reality" would be the main issue.

I agree with you.
Experiences of higher dimensions will always at best be subjective

Wilgrea7:
For example, what if we are actually 4th dimensional beings experiencing several slices of 3d reality, just like a multiple slices of a cube make up the actual cube?

[quote author=Wilgrea7 post=123236186]Or if higher dimensions truly exist, then how do we know whether things we refer to as "gods" have their own "gods" as well? The questions about the nature of a possible higher dimension are nearly infinite.

Nonetheless I think it is an interesting topic to consider.

This is the simplest within our reality as
1. Infinite regress of cause and effect is impossible
2. Except if everything is like fractals: the more you look, the more you see! LOL!
The factor of infinity between one dimension and the next dimension is particularly interesting.

Just some thought Questions (has nothing to do with spiritualism)
If a 1D line space is curved into 2D plane, would the objects within even know that they have traversed a movement in 2D?
Or a 2D plane curved into a circle, would the objects within even know that they have traversed a movement in 3D?

Must spatial dimensions always be an integer?

Christianity Etc › Re: The Philosophy Of Spatial Dimensions And the Spiritual Realm by TenQ(op): 3:49pm On May 19, 2023

I love your honesty in answering all my questions. I can only add my conclusion on the responses.

Wilgrea7:
Greetings TenQ

I'm quite excited to engage in this topic if I'm being honest. Even though we'll probably arrive at different conclusions, I think there are a number of things here we both agree on.

Ever since I stumbled on the idea of string theory as a possible TOE a few years back, I've been fascinated by the possibility of higher dimensions, like 4th, 5th and so on, and the implications it would have on what we call "reality". So maybe I can share my personal opinion on this.

Absolutely not. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. But it's also not evidence of presence either. I'm open to the possibility of these things existing. However, in the absence of any tangible evidence, I tend to maintain the standard "we don't know yet" position.

Of course it is impossible to be unequivocally sure that higher dimensions than 3D do NOT exist in the Universe because, even if it exists, there is no way we can be sure.
The implication is that the best an atheist can be is Agnostic. Atheism is the end of the spectrum of certainty.

It also raises an issue, being Agnostic isn't a position of knowledge: it is a position of choice not to be bortherd with true reality.

Check out the Satirical novel, Flatland!

"A Square" to the rest look insane, Unfortunately, he's the only one with the experience of lineland and spaceland.

Wilgrea7:
Interesting question. Quite difficult to answer. I once read about a test some scientists were planning to conduct to test for the existence of other dimensions.

According to what I remember (I might be wrong), they planned to smash 2 particles together at an immensely high speed, and if total energy of the system dropped or rose after the collision, then it would be postulated that the energy deficit went into or came from "another dimension".

Not the most accurate test in my opinion, but I just thought to mention it.

In theory, the experiment should work as lost energies can be assumed to have entered the higher dimensions. In practice, I don't think any scientist have been able to demonstrate higher dimensions experimentally. I sometimes wonder if this elusive factor is not what we insert into our equations as CONSTANTS.

Wilgrea7:
Of course not.

I agree with you!
If scientists in the 2D space have perfect scientific knowledge of their space, their knowledge will NOT be adequate in the 3D space?

My inference:
Knowledge of a higher dimension can only be subjective. There is no way of successfully bringing it into the Laboratory for examination. Concluding that a higher dimension doesn't exist based on the observations from the current lower dimension is a folly

Wilgrea7:
This depends on what you mean by "interact". A 3 dimensional being can most definitely interact with elements in the 2-dimensional being's purview, but I don't think the reverse is possible.

Perfectly said.

A 3D personality can be completely be OUTSIDE the 2D space and he can also enter it or stand on it. Those in 2D may see only his cross-section presented to them as 2D.

Two parallel 1D or two Parallel 2D planes would be completely invisible to each other because of the nature of their constraints. (I'm not sure how a 3D space can relate to themselves in this same manner)

But I think I like this your description below.

Wilgrea7:
But then again, there's another way I see this multi-dimensional hypothesis.

Take a 2 and 3-dimensional being in a 3-dimensional world. The 2 dimensional being exists in the 3-dimensional world, but is only able to experience a tiny subset of the "objective reality". I would say the same thing for possible higher dimensions.

If higher dimensions do exist, they won't be this external thing. Rather we would be the ones restricted to only a subsection of true reality. Kind of like how a cube is a complete object, and the surface of the cube represents only a subsection.

I like this your example:
All lower dimensions may just be living in constraints within the higher dimensions. It reminds me of the scripture

Acts 17:27-28:
"That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us: For in him we live, and move, and have our being ; .... For we are also his offspring."

I honestly think this is the real meaning of dimensions where 0 D, 1 D, 2D and 3D are not stand-alone dimensions but are sunsets of the higher dimensions.

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