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friendlykaka:
Obviously both parties are gaining from this war else it would have ended a while back.
US being ever ready to provide weapons for Ukraine which they'll end up paying for years down the line.

After the war, Russia will have to still pay Ukraine for damages

ednut1:
War to the west is all about money and control. I pity these mumu Ukrainians being used to fight proxy war.

You should pity Russia that invaded a free country in 2014 and greed made him repeat the same in 2021.

Finally Putin is afraid of the Comedian!

Sorry!

drlateef:
Sadaqat is the main edge a rich person has over poor muslim. But the prophet told them to do more adkhar for their own benefit too. And every soul will account for what they had in this world, a poor person has little to account for. That’s why the prophet stated that paradise was filled with poor people when he was made to see the inhabitants. Whatever state we find ourselves is a test for us. If you are rich, you are tested with your wealth to see if you will earn reward or punishment from Allah. Same with poverty. But Allah loves the poor people more because they are usually more devoted and righteous.

Thanks Bro for your response:
It seems the rich has an undue advantage over the poor in Islam with respect to the favours Allah bestows on him then: why?

We know that in Reality:
The modest Muslim who is rich don't have to commit sins for his survival and existence.
However
The Modest Muslim that is poor may have to do some prostitution, stealing, cheating etc for his survival.

Unfortunately, while the rich can always use his money to override his evil deeds: making it extremely likely that a modest rich Muslim will enter paradise while a modest poor Muslim may not be able to go to paradise!

I am sure it would not be condoned that a pius and religious Muslim live his life by fraud, stealing, cheating while his supplications are excellent.



Even though you said that the prophet Mohammed said that there are more poor people in paradise: this may just be because the ratio of the poor to the rich is like 1 in 300.
Am I misunderstanding you?

AntiChristian:
The rich Muslim many advantages over the poor Muslim in that he can give Sadaqah, feed many indigents, fulfill others debt, perform pilgrimage etc.

The poor on the other hand has equal standing with the rich in invocations and supplications! The advantage the poor has will be on the day of accounts, when the rich will have to explain how he got each Kobo!

The rich and the poor have a similar advantage in intending good always!

I intend to go for Hajj if Allah enriches me.

Thanks sir

If I get you correctly,
1. The rich has an advantage in the fact that his wealth can do several things in performing good deeds
2. The poor on the other hands have advantage in having ENOUGH time for supplications and invocation of Allah

It looks like one can purchase devotion (supplications and invocations) to Allah with enough money: am I wrong?

I asked a Question for Muslims:
Do you honestly think that many good deeds can OVERRIDE sin in a person's life?


According to

drlateef:
There’s no doubt about that. The prophet SAW admonished muslims to always do good deeds so as to erase their sins.

My question is this:
We all know that Good deeds are easier to do if a person has plenty money and difficult (but not impossible) to do if one is poor.

Does this not give rich people more advantage to enter Paradise than poor people?

What is the position of Islam on this?

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Shenanigan3:
It still opens.

That probably means it wasn't locked down

A question for Muslims:
1. If every child is BORN a Muslim, Why is it that Mohammed said that a baby can go to hell fire?


Sahih Muslim (6435 )
'A'isha, the mother of the believers, reported that a child died and I said: There is happiness for this child who is a bird from amongst the birds of Paradise. Thereupon Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said: Don't you know that Allah created the Paradise and He created the Hell and He created the dwellers for this (Paradise) and the denizens for this (Hell)?


Sahih Muslim (6436)
'A'isha, the mother of the believers, said that Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) was called to lead the funeral prayer of a child of the Ansar. I said: Allah's Messenger, there is happiness for this child who is a bird from the birds of Paradise for it committed no sin nor has he reached the age when one can commit sin. He said: 'A'isha, per adventure, it may be otherwise, because God created for Paradise those who are fit for it while they were yet in their father's loins and created for Hell those who are to go to Hell. He created them for Hell while they were yet in their father's loins



Doesn't it look like Muslims believe in an ORIGINAL SIN actually committed by the baby?
Does this not imply that humans are born WITH sin?



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Raheeqilmaktoom:
Learned Christian missionaries think otherwise.

"Original sin is the Christian doctrine which says that because of the sin of Adam and Eve, original innocence is lost and all subsequent human beings are born into a state of sinfulness. The doctrine states that human beings do not commit this sin but rather contract it from the Fall of Adam and Eve (CCC: 404). In other words, original sin is an inherited condition."

Source: https://link.springer.com/referenceworkentry/10.1007/978-0-387-71802-6_480

"Original sin is a Christian doctrine describing the first human act of disobedience, as well as the ongoing fallen state of humanity bound in enduring, irremediable alienation from God. Christian tradition regards original sin as the general lack of holiness into which human beings are born, DISTINCT from any actual sins that a person may commit later."

Source: https://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Original_sin

https://www.desiringgod.org/articles/what-is-the-biblical-evidence-for-original-sin


1. Besides, take this logically, having the innate desire to commit a sin, perform an action or undertake a task doesn't make you sinner till you have sinned, doesn't make you a performer of that action till you have really performed it, doesn't make you an actor till you have done that task, so the whole concept of being born into sin doesn't stand on 2 feet since the child didn't really sin except if this whole campaign is to whitewash what we've told since childhood - we've being born into sin because our ancestors committed a sin we know nothing of.

These your quote said EXACTLY what I said:

Check YOUR Highlighted in Yellow
AND
Compare with what I said:


It doesn't mean that humans are born with sin.
It means humans are born with the nature to commit SIN.

Example:
1. A Pig is Born with a Nature not to mind filth: a Pig with justify rolling in the Mud.
2. A lion is born with the nature to eat meat. The fact that a baby lion is drinking milk does not mean that it will not switch to eating meat as it grows.



So also,
A human being is born with the NATURE to Commit Sin.
You don't need to coach a human being to do wrong BUT you have to work hard to make him do Right.



What is termed as Original Sin is that: we ALL have inherited the NATURE to commit Sin from Adam and Eve. In that sense, we are all sinners by nature.


Is it difficult to understand that no one teaches his child how to tell lies or steal: we just seem to be natural at it.



Let me ask you a set of questions!
1. Is a Lion cub carnivorous because it has eaten meat or because it is it's nature to eat meat?
2. Is a Pig a dirty animal because it is dirty or because it's nature condones filthiness?
Same way:
3. Is a human being a Sinner because he committed sin or because he has the nature to commit sin?

Raheeqilmaktoom:
Why lock down the thread

I'm not even aware of that!
No one locked down the thread except if the admin blocked the thread!

FxMasterz:
Oh sorry for that. We bless God.

I converted it into pdf. I sent it back to your mail

FxMasterz:
Okay bro.

I've resent the mail. Please check again.

Thanks a lot. It's in my spam mail. You probably didn't give it a title header

Appreciated

RealSolution001:
The girl I truly love and want, always form busy busy for me. Although she has a shop that keeps her on duty morning till night, but after closing from the shop, you would have to beg her to come out to see you for once in one or two months before it happens. Even Sundays are no exception.

Meanwhile, this other girl I don't even love was giving me all the vibe including mind-blowing sex but look at it now, she's taken in for me and I am not in support of abortion.

How do I sort this thing out because I still genuinely love the other girl and I want to marry her. She's a good wife material and ticks most of my boxes. I also dont intend to birth children from different women.

No insult please.

Congratulations Bro!


On what you should do: simple
1. Prepare to become a daddy
2. Save for diapers and babyfood
3. Don't forget hospital bill will need settlement. (It could be C/S so more money)
4. Start preparing for the naming ceremony

FxMasterz:
Sent bro. Please check your mail.

Thanks so much

But it's not in my mail . Not even in spam

Raheeqilmaktoom:
As for your original sin, it's a solid and a very important pillar on which the whole crucifixion was built.

https://www.nairaland.com/6902133/what-does-wages-sin-death

1. The web address you quoted has NOTHING to do with Anything close to Original Sin.

2. I think I've explained exactly what it means

I said:
Even though I think the use of the phrase "Original Sin" is a misnomer, you have a complete misunderstanding of it.

It doesn't mean that humans are born with sin.
It means humans are born with the nature to commit SIN.

Example:
1. A Pig is Born with a Nature not to mind filth: a Pig with justify rolling in the Mud.
2. A lion is born with the nature to eat meat. The fact that a baby lion is drinking milk does not mean that it will not switch to eating meat as it grows.



So also,
A human being is born with the NATURE to Commit Sin.
You don't need to coach a human being to do wrong BUT you have to work hard to make him do Right.



What is termed as Original Sin is that: we ALL have inherited the NATURE to commit Sin from Adam and Eve. In that sense, we are all sinners by nature.


Is it difficult to understand that no one teaches his child how to tell lies or steal: we just seem to be natural at it.

Raheeqilmaktoom:
This guys just lumps together all sorts of garbage and tries to leave around it, bringing together east and west to appear or sound logical. Still get an F9 by the way.

Thanks for the "complement"!
LOL!!

Raheeqilmaktoom:
1. A whole ton of rubbish trying to justify original sin. Humans are weak and crave that which is a sin does not mean humans committed a sin at birth. For all intents and purposes, a child is free of any wrongdoing. Even the Bible said so 'a child shouldn't be judged by the sins of the parents', where does original sin come from again?

Even though the use of the phrase "Original Sin" is a misnomer, you have a complete misunderstanding of it.

It doesn't mean that humans are born with sin.
It means humans are born with the nature to commit SIN.

Example:
1. A Pig is Born with a Nature not to mind filth: a Pig with justify rolling in the Mud.
2. A lion is born with the nature to eat meat. The fact that a baby lion is drinking milk does not mean that it will not switch to eating meat as it grows.

So also,
A human being is born with the NATURE to Commit Sin.
You don't need to coach a human being to do wrong BUT you have to work hard to make him do Right.

Raheeqilmaktoom:
2. The way you talk about sin and the way you Christians live is completely, two galaxies away. You people are the most unobservant of any commandment even when they are your biggest assignments, it's what the Bible told you to do, observe the commandments, do you do that?

I agree with you because Christians are humans and even when they know the truth, they are tempted just as everyone else to do evil. A Christian has to struggle AGAINST sin and many times, we fail.

I agree with you

Raheeqilmaktoom:
4. Why would the cost of sin be huge that it has be atoned for with blood sacrifice? Didn't good know that humans are weak and will commit sins that he has to sacrifice his own child after discovering such to help atone humans sins? Does that mean any sin can be committed by anyone with no repercussions? If yes, then what's the essence of religion and all the instructions to be observed when your sins - the ones committed and the ones to be committed have already been given a free pass for? Meaning fornicate, kill, consume everything, do anything, don't observe the commandments, there are no repercussions?

If no, then why was a blood sacrifice needed in the first instance when it does not atone for the sins to be committed?

So many Questions
1. Why would the cost of sin be huge that it has be atoned for with blood sacrifice?
The cost of sin is infinitely huge because God is infinitely GREATER than us. Sin against the Almighty is akin to VIOLATING His INTEGRITY as God: because by His rule EVERYTHING MUST BEND to God's Will and Command. Sin is a refusal to bend to God's will and Command.

2. Why Atonement by LIFE (Evidenced by the Blood)?
God Himself set the Rule. The Person who sins against God MUST be CUT-OFF (die) from God.
Ezek 18:20:
"The soul that sins, it shall die. ..

God HIMSELF Allowed the Principle of Scapegoat to be used in atonement for Sin. In that way, God still Punish sin.

From the time of Moses, God asked that the children of Israel atone for the sin of their community by sacrificing goats after confessing the sin of Isreal upon their heads.
Lev 16:6-14:
"And Aaron shall offer his bullock of the sin offering, which is for himself, and make an atonement for himself, and for his house. And he shall take the two goats, and present them before the LORD at the door of the tabernacle of the congregation. And Aaron shall cast lots on the two goats; one lot for the LORD, and the other lot for the scapegoat. And Aaron shall bring the goat on which the LORD's lot fell, and offer him for a sin offering. But the goat, on which the lot fell to be the scapegoat, shall be presented alive before the LORD, to make an atonement with him, and to let him go for a scapegoat into the wilderness. And Aaron shall bring the bullock of the sin offering, which is for himself, and shall make an atonement for himself, and for his house, and shall kill the bullock of the sin offering which is for himself: And he shall take a censer full of burning coals of fire from off the altar before the LORD, and his hands full of sweet incense beaten small, and bring it within the veil: And he shall put the incense on the fire before the LORD, that the cloud of the incense may cover the mercy seat that is on the testimony, that he die not: And he shall take of the blood of the bullock, and sprinkle it with his finger on the mercy seat eastward; and before the mercy seat shall he sprinkle of the blood with his finger seven times."

The Principle:
The children of Israel commited sin
BUT
The judgement of Sin falls on the sacrificial animal


3. Didn't good know that humans are weak and would commit sin?
Of course, every Spirit Creature that God gives FreeWill has the capacity to commit sin AND God knew that Humans would commit sin, hence
BEFORE the Creation of the World God had Ordained Sacrifice for the Ones He LOVED of His Creations.
Rev 13:8:
"And all that dwell on the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world."

And the Bible explain that it was because of LOVE that God made the Atonement available for humans.

John 3:16-17:
"For God so loved the world,[/s] [color=red]that he gave his only begotten Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved."

4. Does that mean any sin can be committed by anyone with no repercussions?
No sir!
For a person who is not born again, his sin will be judged and he will still go to hell!
For a person who is born again, his sins will be judged but he wouldn't go to hell.

Even as people Redeemed by Christ, we shall be judged according to how we have lived here on earth

2Cor 5:10:
"For we must ALL appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he has done, whether it be good or bad."

In the Paradise of God, we are NOT equal o!

The earth is a school where we graduate to earn our prizes!

5. What's the essence of religion and all the instructions to be observed when your sins - the ones committed and the ones to be committed have already been given a free pass for?

Jesus said
1. Not ALL who say to me Lord, Lord (Christians) will enter the kingdom of God except those who do the will of God (Mt7:22)
2. A tree is known by its FRUIT: a person who is TRULY Born again will not remain in sin because he will feel dirty. Any Christian who justify sin is NOT Born Again (My 12:33)
3. In the end times, the church will be a mixture of sheep and goats, wheat and Tares: and they shall be separated. (My 13:30)

Any Christian that lives a life of sin is CERTAINLY NOT Born Again in Christ.


6. Why was a blood sacrifice needed in the first instance when it does not atone for the sins to be committed?
The Blood atones ONLY for those who trusts in God's SOLUTION for themselves.
Meaning:
1. Recieving Gods solution of Atonement by the Sacrifice of Christ. (Accepting Jesus as Saviour)
2. Accepting to Live under the Rule of God's Kingdom in Love and Purity (Accepting Jesus as Lord)

Raheeqilmaktoom:
6. This blood sacrifice that's the foundation of xtianity, does it cover the generations of old and future? By old I mean Adam, Abraham, Moses, Joshua, Ezra, God's friends and children by the Bible's words?

The Blood covers EVERY Generation including those who died before Jesus.

1. The bible speaks of Jesus at death going down to hell to save those who died even as far back as at the time of Noah
1Pet 3:18-20:
"For Christ also has once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit : By which also he went and preached to the spirits in prison (hell); Which sometime were disobedient, when once the long-suffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water."

2. Even before the Physical death of Christ, the Lamb of God had been sacrificed so that Abraham can believe in God and it accounts to him as righteousness

Rev 13:8:
"And all that dwell on the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world."

Genesis 15:6
“And he (Abraham) believed in the Lord , and he accounted it to him for righteousness,”





Thanks for your input!
I hope I've answered some of your questions.

MaxInDHouse:
Jesus didn't call it "sin against holy spirit" mind the translation.

He said blasphemy against the Holy Spirit {Matthew 12:31-32} sin is what people do out of ignorance or confused stare of mind but blasphemy is what people do deliberately.

For Instance some people said about Jesus "this young man is mad" {John 10:20} even his own mother and siblings thought the same {Mark 3:21} this is what Jesus meant by blasphemy against the Son of man, those saying these things has a good reason in their own hearts they think Jesus is not getting his senses right so even though they blasphemed such blasphemy wasn't due to evil intentions! Luke 6:45

But when someone sees the works Jesus is doing and remembered that God has promised all these things as evidence of the presence of the Christ but started saying evil things against what God promised then there's no forgiveness for such a person because he is intentionally condemning God's work!

You are on track sir.
Blasphemy is akin to a Rebellion and Conscious acts of IRREVERENCE

drlateef:
There’s no doubt about that. The prophet SAW admonished muslims to always do good deeds so as to erase their sins.

You have indeed stated to correct Islamic narrative about the question and this is supported by many Hadiths.

However,
There are some objections to this response

1. From the Bible
Jesus says that calling a fellow human being a FOOL is enough to take a person to hell

Mat 5:22:
"But I say to you, That whoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whoever shall say, You fool, shall be in danger of hell fire."

The impossibility of not being in danger of hell fire show us that we are saved ONLY by the Mercy of God and NOT Good Works.

Tit 3:5-6:
"Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost; Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Savior;"


2. From Prophet Mohammed
Narrated by Ibn Majaah in his Sunan (no .4245); al-Rawiyaani in al-Musnad (1/425); al-Tabaraani in al-Awsat (5/46) and al-Sagheer (1/396); Musnad al-Shaamiyeen (no. 667); al-Daylami in Musnad al-Firdaws (7715). Classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in al-Silsilah al-Saheehah (505).
The hadeeth which is mentioned in the question is the hadeeth narrated by Thawbaan (may Allaah be pleased with him) from the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) who said: “I certainly know people of my ummah who will come on the Day of Resurrection with good deeds like the mountains of Tihaamah, but Allaah will make them like scattered dust.” Thawbaan said: O Messenger of Allaah, describe them to us and tell us more, so that we will not become of them unknowingly. He said: “They are your brothers and from your race, worshipping at night as you do, but they will be people who, when they are alone, transgress the sacred limits of Allaah.”


A. Is every sin NOT a transgression of the sacred limits of Allah?
B. Does this not show that some times, good deeds are INSUFFICIENT to erase bad deeds?
C. How can anyone Qualify the magnitude and number of good deeds that erases just one wrong

3. Logically Speaking:
Do you think it is LOGICAL that a Philanthropist is arrested for Murder and charged to court. Can he get his freedom by claiming that
1. He has killed only one person in his life because the girl wouldn't allow him to rape her
2. The murder was done 25 years ago when he was still a young man
3. Since then he had giving scholarship to 1000 young girls, he has paid the hospital bill of 5000 people, he has sponsored at least 4300 imams and pastors on pilgrimages.

drLateef,
You are the judge, sworn to protect the Constitution of Nigeria in serving Justice to citizens. What would be your judgement?
A. Freedom from the consequence of the philanthropist's crime of murder
B. Judgement according to the rules for murder

A Question for Muslims:
Do you honestly think that many good deeds can OVERRIDE sin in a person's life?






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FxMasterz:
I read on that same thread that there's a selected group of dedicated Muslims who have been organised and given a job to refute the embarrassing things in Islam. Their own job is to refute using Taqiyya. They have nothing else they do aside that.

They've been doing it since the advent of Islam. Many of the Tafsirs are responses to objections by the Jews of Christians about Islam and the Qur'an

FxMasterz:
SMH for the bolded.

I'm also looking for an e-copy of the book. I'll share if I get one.

Thanks bro

I haven't got it. Not I. My spam either

FxMasterz:
I just got an epub copy of the book. Please download epub Reader to be able to read it. I couldn't attach the file. Where should I send it?

Got it?

[quote author=FxMasterz post=123019959][/quote]All the Islamic clerics know these disgusting things about their prophet, but they have to maintain a naration to the Ignorant Muslims

[quote author=FxMasterz post=123019816][/quote]Do you have an e-copy of the pdf file?


The hadiths are problematic even for Muslims that is why we now have some Muslims who call themselves Quran-ONLY


Unfortunately, how can one be a Muslim without the hadiths and Tafsir as the Qur'an cannot stand on its own

Sangoamadioha1:
In your original post you said Muslims have different weights of sin while to Christians, there is no such thing as less or great sin. I am just pointing out that to both Christians and Muslims sin is going against God's laws and both religions have sin that can be forgiven and those that cannot be forgiven.

James 2:10
"Whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it."


Gal 3:10-11
“All who rely on observing the law are under a curse, for it is written: "Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law." Clearly no one is justified before God by the law, because, "The righteous will live by faith."

And examples as insignificant as lies and unbelieving are included with sorcery and murder.
Rev 21:8:
"But the fearful , and unbelieving , and the abominable, and murderers, and fornicators , and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars , shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone: which is the second death."

In Islam, there is the bridge of As-Sirāt over hell fire over which every human must pass on the day of judgement.



According to Muslims
Those who performed acts of goodness in their lives are transported across the path in speeds according to their deeds leading them to the Hawd al-Kawthar, the Lake of Abundance.

Here is a list of Major and Minor Sins in Islam according to an Islamic website

(Extracted from Maariful Qur’an p.406- p.408 v.2)

Major Sins

-Worshiping others, or associating partners with Allah (shirk)
-Believing in superstition, fortune telling and astrology
-Using magic or sorcery
-Committing murder
-Committing suicide
Bearing false witness
-Committing adultery or fornication
-Cheating, stealing, and lying
-Charging or paying interest or usury (riba)
-Consuming pork or alcohol
-Consuming the wealth of an orphan
-Not fasting in the Month of Ramadan
-Not observing daily prayers
-Not paying zakat
-Gambling
-Bribery, betraying trusts and breaking contracts
-Backbiting and slandering
-Breaking the ties of kinship
-Disobeying or not honouring one’s parents (Mazahirul Haqq p.110 v.1)

Minor Sins
-Not lowering your gaze. i.e. looking at unlawful women
-Cursing
-Bullying
-Imitating immoral people in dress, behaviour and lifestyle

You can check this for yourself here:
https://islamqa.org/hanafi/daruliftaa-birmingham/86993/major-and-minor-sins-in-islam/

Sangoamadioha1:
In Christianity to blaspheme against the holy spirit is regarded as the greatest sin, which means Christians also have greater and lesser sin.
Sin is sin in both religions, no need looking for differences.

Thanks for the note about the Spirit of God.

This is a completely different class of violation of God's Commands or Instructions.

A person can blaspheme the Holy Spirit in a state of conscious rebellion against His person: when such a person who knows the Holy Spirit Consciously dare Him in an act of IRREVERENCE.

To blaspheme the Holy Spirit of God does not even have forgiveness.

Luk 12:10:
"And whoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but to him that blasphemes against the Holy Ghost it shall not be forgiven."


Sin is SIN in both Religions, however the Concept of the Weight and Consequence of Sin is completely different.


Here is an analogy of Weight of Sin
1. FORNICATION× infinity = STEALING ×infinity = MURDER×infinity =INFINITY!

Does the actual value of fornication, stealing or murder matter?
2. Does it matter if I excrete 1mg of feaces into your wine cup or I excrete 10 kg of feaces into the same cup: will you drink from it?

It is not about the Quantity of Sin, it is the fact that sin contaminates

BRIMBRAM:
Mary the Mother of Jesus Christ was a teenage girl, so, so young of around 12 to 14 years old compared to her husband Joseph of around 85 years old. So?!

No sir!
The bible says:

Mary was between 6 and 9 years old
While
Joseph was between 96 and 109 years old.

Angel Gabriel had to look for an unmarried man whose John Thomas has stopped working. And Joseph was a good candidate because from age 48 years , his JT had stopped working.

Zachariah was 26 years younger than Joseph and Elizabeth was 39 years younger than him.

Please, correct yourself

[quote author= post=123014640]All of us at [b][/b] : Thank God for your life dear.

Affliction will never rise again in your household.

It is well with y'all ❤️[/quote]My friend of long time ago.

I noticed that your seemingly fanatical support of President Buhari reduced drastically by the mid of his second tenure.

Do you think he's the best president Nigeria should have had?

Thanks

Both Islam and Christianity agree about the definition of SIN:
Sin can generally be defined as a VIOLATION of God's instructions or command.

Other than this, there is a wide gap between the understanding of the GRAVITY of SIN by Christians and Muslims.

Islam:
A. Muslims usually see SIN as TRIVIAL such that it takes NOTHING from God to OVERLOOK the Sin of a Person.
B. For Muslims, there SIN is in graduations. There are small Sins and Big Sins of which the biggest is Shirk (associating partners with Allah)
Christians:
A. For the Christians, SIN is the most Grevious Offence a Human being can commit AND thus a Sinner CANNOT escape PUNISHMENT.
B. There is NO Big Sin or Small Sin before God as ALL Sin have an INFINITE consequence.

FOR COMPARISON PURPOSE:
In other words (for the Muslim Readers), the Christians are saying that SIN is the VIOLATION of the Kunfayakun (Power of Command or Decree: BE!) of God!
In other words, the Power of the Kunfayakun of God FAILS anytime Sin is Committed by a Person.

1. Sin is a CONTAMINANT
I will have to explain the Concept of SIN in Christianity as it is completely different from the Concept of SIN in Islam. Sin is not just what we have done that is not right but a CONTAMINANT!

The Bible describes our Bodies as Houses or Containers (Cup, Plate etc) for the Spirit of God.

1Cor 6:19:
"Or have ye not known that your body is the Temple of the Holy Spirit which is in you, which ye have from God, and ye are not your own?"

Violation of God's Rule for Mankind is called SIN. SIN Contaminate our Bodies just as Human Excrement contaminates a vessel for eating.

2. All Human Beings are Sinners by Nature!
In other words like a drug addict must have cravings for drugs so all human beings have cravings for Sin.
Just as a Piglet inherits non chalance attitude to filth from its parents, as humans we have inherited the nature to sin from Adam.

We were Born SELFISH at birth and this. Is the ROOT cause of ALL Sin.

It is this the REASON why you don't have to specially COACH any baby how to LIE or STEAL or FORNICATE. It comes naturally to us while DOING Gods will is extremely difficult for us.

Rom 3:23:
"for all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;"

We cannot by any means share eternally with God his Paradise

3. Sin MUST be PUNISHED
Every Sinner is called Wicked in the Bible

Prov 11:21:
"Though hand join in hand, the wicked shall not be unpunished: but the seed of the righteous shall be delivered."

Isa 1:28:
"And the destruction of the transgressors and of the sinners shall be together, and they that forsake the LORD shall be consumed."

Rev 20:15:
"And whoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire."


4. The Magnitude of SIN is INFINITELY Large
The WEIGHT of Sin is INFINITELY LARGE:
1. Meaning that there is NOTHING like Small Sin or Big Sin. Sin is SIN.
2. The Judgement of SIN is INFINITELY LARGE. This is why the Judgement of Hell is eternal
3. The COST of Atonement for Sin is INFINITELY LARGE and the Sinner must thus be Punished!

5. The Punishment of Sin is INFINITELY Large
Because the weight of sin is INFINITELY Large, there is NOTHING we can do as humans to right the error of Sin Against God. What is done is done and it cannot be undone.

ONLY God has the Power to take our contaminated LIFE and wash it by HIMSELF with His OWN Detergent and Bleach and to His OWN Satisfaction
This requirement is fulfilled in the blood of Jesus.

Heb 9:22:
"And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission (forgiveness of sin)."


Finally, Jesus said:
John 3:36:
"He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him."


John 6:40:
"And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life : and I will raise him up at the last day."



Questions:
1. Do you have ANY Questions for TenQ?
2. Do you have any correction of the Islamic stand of sin or explanations regarding it?
3. Do you think it is possible to UNDO a sin after it had been committed and How?


I invite you to the Messiah: He's the INFINITE cost of payment for the judgment against your Sin.

His Gift of Freedom is yours through FAITH in God's SOLUTION and turning around to live your Life to Honour Him

This above is what is called:
Accepting Jesus as Saviour AND
Accepting Jesus as Lord



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FreedomfromtheT:
A lot of Deeper Life members really do mix up with others. But when it comes to what they believe or don't believe in, they stir clear.

That is why I generalized it. Any Christian who feel holier than other Christians or believe they are the only ones with the correct interpretation of the bible would be neglected by other Christians: its only natural.

The superiority complex may be from
1. Pentecostals who look down on non penticostals or vice versa
2. Catholics who look down on Protestants and vice versa
3. Evangelicals who look down on traditional African Christian churches such as C&S, Cele, Anglican/African Churches etc.

Christians should know that only those who are Born Again irrespective of their churches and denominations are the children of God Born not out of the will of man but of God.

For me, it is sufficient if a person is
1. Born Again through Faith in Christ
2. Loves the Lord evidences by a life of Purity
3. Serves the Lord within the limit of his capacity
4. Strives to rightly COMPREHEND the scripture and teach the UNCORRUPTED Word of God not the doctrine of his domination
This person is my Brother in Christ!

samcolee:
I can't work more than 35yrs , some of those that want to keep working their roles are not stressful

I doubt if workers ALL want to spend 35 years working, However the problems are
1. Inflation rate causes savings to be useless both for upkeep and for utilities
2. The Business environment in Nigeria is extremely harsh and unpredictable. The probability of a civil servant's business succeeding is close to Nil.
3. The pension payable is pitifully small
4. Availability of getting other jobs is virtually zero. Even young Nigerians are finding it difficult getting good jobs.

All these make it easier for a civil servant to want to extend his service years till he is even above 70 years old as long as he is not sick

Who was the First prophet sent to the Arabs?
Abraham, Ishmael or Mohammed?
Where are their Scriptures?

honesttalk21:
The first revelation was 4 verses of the Surah Alaq (96) which contains 19 verses next was 7 verses of Surah Mudathir (74) which consists of 56 verses.

Angel Jibril did not randomly choose what to reveal and follows Allah's command solely. Revealing what is to be revealed as directed by Allah based on the situation.

1. asked you for the EVIDENCE of this either from Allah , Jubril or Mohammed.
Otherwise, you are making up fictitious statements.
With no evidence, the Qur'an is just the WORDS of Mohammed!
2. Can you tell me the LOGICAL basis on Which the chapters of the Qur'an was re-ordered?
3. Were the missing verses of the Qur'an also re-ordered? What number are they

honesttalk21:
On the building of the Kaabah:
In Quran 2;
(2:127) Recall when Abraham and Ishmael raised the foundations of the House, praying: “Our Lord! Accept this from us; You are All-Hearing, All-Knowing.

Our Lord! and make us both submissive to Thee and (raise) from our offspring a group submitting to Thee, and show us our ways of devotion and turn to us (merci­fully), surely Thou art the Oft-returning (with mercy), the Merciful (128).

Also Quran 22:26

“Remember! We identified the site of the Sacred House to Ibrahim (Abraham), saying, ‘Worship none besides Me, sanctify My House for those worshippers who make Tawaf (walking counterclockwise around it as a part of the Hajj rituals), and stand in prayer, bow, and prostrate themselves'”

Also:

When Allah bestowed Ishmael to Abraham in his old age, He commanded him to settle that child with his mother in Mecca. Abraham obeyed the Divine order and then he prayed for them.

Quran 14: 37. “Our Lord! Verily I have settled (a part) of my offspring in a valley without cultivation near Your Sacred House, in order, Our Lord! that they may establish prayer; therefore, make the hearts of some people yearn towards them, and provide them with fruits so that they may be grateful.”

Are you aware that
1. Before the advent of Islam, there were several Kaabas or places of worship in the Arabian Peninsula, each with its own religious and cultural significance.
There were approximately 20 Kaaba-style religious sites before in surrounding Arab lands including: Al- Lat House, Najran Kaaba, the Shaddad Kaaba, Ghatfan Kaaba and the Du-Khesla House (The Kaaba in Yemen).

Did Abraham build each one?

2. Abraham didn't have two sons, but eight. (Genesis 25:13-15); not two wives, but three.

How could you know because the Qur'an is a tale heard and retold by Mohammed to the Arabians.

3. He did not raise his descendants in the Valley of Mecca, but in Hebron of Canaan (Genesis 13:6-12), which is called by his name in Arabic to this day, El Khaleel, The friend of God (Isaiah 41:.

4. Genesis 11:28-31 tells us that his hometown was Ur in Chaldea, not Mecca. He wandered through Haran as Genesis 11:31 tells us, not Arabia. He went to Canaan as God instructed him in Genesis 12:4-6, not to Mecca's valley.

5. There is no record that Abraham and Ishmael went to Arabia and built the Ka'bah in Mecca, although Abraham did spend several years in Egypt.

6. In Surat al-Saffat (Those Who Set the Ranks) 37:100-112, we read of Abraham's sacrifice of his son. But which son? The Bible states it was Isaac (see Genesis 22), yet the Quran intimates it was Ishmael.'6

When legends are told and retold, they do change.
Just like it is reported that Oduduwa migrated from Mecca to Ife in Osun state of Nigeria

Only this below is sufficient to burst your conjectures in two steps
When Muslims fabricate lies, they forget that they have told other lies that has to be patched up.

LOGICAL QUESTION:
1. If Allah NEVER send a Prophet to a People except in the language of the People, in what language did Abraham or Ismail conduct preaching and worship in Mecca?

Qur'an 14:4
We sent not a messenger except (to teach) in the language of his (own) people, in order to make (things) clear to them. Now Allah leaves straying those whom He pleases and guides whom He pleases: and He is Exalted in power, full of Wisdom.

Summary:
The detailed story of Abraham NEVER mentioned that Abraham built any Kaaba.

honesttalk21:
The Quran was sent down to the lower heaven by Allah and Jubril r.a revealed same to Muhammad pbuh in different bits as was required until the whole Quran was revealed.


“And those who disbelieve say: Why is not the Quran revealed to him all at once? Thus (it is sent down in parts), that We may strengthen your heart thereby. And We have revealed it to you gradually, in stages.” [25:32]

“And (it is) a Quran which We have divided (into parts), in order that you might recite it to men at intervals. And We have revealed it by stages.” [17:106]

The Quran’s gradual revelation was to strengthen the hearts of the Prophet (pbuh) and the believers with him. This allows for discerning and pondering of the meaning too.

The Quran was revealed in stages to the Prophet Mohammed to coincide with relevant events going on at the time.

You are repeating the same things that they have fed you with. Slow down a little.


1. Is it True that:
The Qur'an had existed billions of years before Mohammed was born!

2. Is it True that:
Mohammed recited the Qur'an to the Sahaba as he received it from Jubril?

3. Is it true that:
Mohammed is a human being like the rest of us?

If all the above is true, then

a. Is there ANY evidence that Allah or Jubril INSTRUCTED Mohammed to re-arrange and re-order the Qur'an?
If there is no evidence, then Mohammed must either be devine or Allah to re-arrange the words of Allah!

b. Did Mohammed [b]explain WHY he re-arranged and re-ordered the Qur'an?[/b]
If Mohammed did not EXPLAIN why he re-ordered the Qur'an, then every explanation you make for him is mere fabrications and conjectures.
c. Is re-arranged or re-ordering the book f Allah not the same as corrupting the book of Allah?


My Friend
The truth of the matter is that UNLESS you can provide EVIDENCE that Allah or Jubril COMMANDED Mohammed to re-arrange the Qur'an, then the book is his book.

+Can the book of Allah say that the sun set in the murky waters?
+Can the book of Allah incorporate tales of the ancients like the Seven Sleepers into the Qur'an?
+Can the book of Allah say that the man's reproductive fluids come from his back bone?


Whatever the kind of re-arrangement, can you explain why the verse below is NOT the LAST verse in the Qur'an
Qur'an 5:3
"This day I have perfected for you your religion and completed My favor upon you and have approved for you Islam as religion." (Surah Al-Ma'idah, 5:3)


Qur'an 69:40 settles it; the Qur'an is the Words of Mohammed

Qur'an 69:40
This (Qur'an) is truly the word of a noble messenger!