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SamboAnguissa:
Where did the op (and some christians) get this "sin is sin, there's no small sin or big sin" from? This is contrary to what the Bible says. If it's so, why did Jesus differentiate the sin against the Holy Ghost from others in gravity? In one of the books of John (or Peter, I can't remember now) there was a differentiation on "sins that lead to death, and sins that don't lead to death". If all sins are of equal gravity why are these differentiation found in the bible?

The blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is worse than any sin, it is an outright deliberate REBELLION against God and His Power!

TenQ:
Thanks for the note about the Spirit of God.

This is a completely different class of violation of God's Commands or Instructions.

A person can blaspheme the Holy Spirit in a state of conscious rebellion against His person: when such a person who knows the Holy Spirit Consciously dare Him in an act of IRREVERENCE.

To blaspheme the Holy Spirit of God does not even have forgiveness.

Luk 12:10:
"And whoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but to him that blasphemes against the Holy Ghost it shall not be forgiven."


Sin is SIN in both Religions, however the Concept of the Weight and Consequence of Sin is completely different.


Here is an analogy of Weight of Sin
1. FORNICATION× infinity = STEALING ×infinity = MURDER×infinity =INFINITY!

Does the actual value of fornication, stealing or murder matter?
2. Does it matter if I excrete 1mg of feaces into your wine cup or I excrete 10 kg of feaces into the same cup: will you drink from it?

It is not about the Quantity of Sin, it is the fact that sin contaminates

The only sin that lead to death and you can't pray about is blasphemy against the Holy Spirit.

1Jn 5:16-17:
"If anyone sees his brother commit a sin that does not lead to death, he will ask, and God will give him life for those whose sin is not leading to death. There is sin leading to death. I do not say that he should pray about that. All wrongdoing is sin, and there is sin that does not lead to death."

SIRTee15:
Who are u?
Do u believe the Bible or not.
I replied u because I thought u are a Unitarian Christian.

He is a black Nigerian Jew Israelite with a confused theology: a waste of time!

highyo:
Satan has already blinded many of us that we all fail to decern the truth from the false
You can never go to heaven with any satan property.
Okay let me lcture you with something. Whatsoever item of satan you use, when you die, he will come over to you and tell you you can not drink from God cup as well as satan cup. That property you are using is theirs, so you are going to their kingdom.

These demons don't interact with people on earth while they are still living, they are called nine nine realm demons. They were the one that attacked Moses when he died (funmilayo). If God can open your eyes and see things going on around you for a second, you will not even want to eat again.

I know this may be little difficult to understand but I believe its the fact. Pray to God to open your eyes for a second, and see things going around you, I pray it will be in a market place, people will taught you were insane, but you are not. It's just they can't see what you are seeing.
These call for wisdom. Read placebo. You will understand more about this. Download it and read it on your own.
Satan is very wise, he is 4000 years older than you, if not more. He knew how he can blind you from the truth.

So, you believe in the OP's story?

What of if I use perfume as a man, I'm I going to hell?

sonmvayina:
Jesus is a nonentity...

Who cares whatever they said he said....

He is not God and can never ever be...

Follow your creator.....not a fictitious character created by man...
God says, confess and forsake.i will forgive and remember your sins no more,..you are saying another thing. Abi are you above God? Why must he wait for somebody to die before, forgiving. Does it make any remote sense to you....?


Wake up..

We have nothing to discuss!
Keep your lane!

sonmvayina:
Exactly where did you get a his information from?
This is what you get when you don't read the bible by your self but resort to only what the pastor's says..

If you have you would have read 2nd chronicles 7:14 which says...
"If my people who are called by my name will humble themselves and confess their sins, and forsake their evil ways. I will hear from heaven, I will forgive their sins and heal their land"...
Where did you get the jagons you posted...

You really have a lot to learn...

" A contrite heart you will not spun ...Psalm 51

According to Jesus, A person who calls another human being "you fool" is in danger of hell fire!

Mat 5:22:
"But I say to you, That whoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whoever shall say, You fool, shall be in danger of hell fire."

Do you think this judgment proportionate to the offence or not?

oluseyiforjesus:
But he protected himself how comes?
May we not die a painful death in Jesus name

There is no protection against hight tension electric wire o. The only way is to switch off the electricity

SIRTee15:
Even though TenQ may not be in medical field, his rebuttal on origin of ovary was brutal. Kudos.
So drLateef could neither defend the sperm nor ovary origin claim in the Qur'an.
Maybe we should call other Muslims to help him....

The taraib translated as rib creates a problem for the L1 thesis he's proposing. The taraib is the bone at the neckline/necklace region of a woman. He knows this as it is pure Arabic which he has no defence against.

drlateef:
Is any of those commentators are doctor? Are they not confused because they are not doctors? Even till today, its only doctors who understand those verses and what Allah refers to. But you choose to follow the ignorant ones as it suits your purpose.

The Qur'an mentioned the taraib: it is clearly NOT even within the L1- L5.

I'm sure your Arabic is not better than that of at-Tabari or Imam al-Qurtubi or al-Haafiz Ibn Katheer !
Case closed!




Remember, it takes only ONE goof to conclude that God never dictated the Qur'an
1. If the Qur'an is from God, why does it say the sun set in some murky waters?

drlateef:
Those verses are referring to area between the backbone and last rib. That is L1 region. I have already explained this to you. That that is where both the sperm and ovaries originate from, in both males and females.

Clearly No sir!
This was exactly why I asked you the Question:


Do you know where the female bone of the taraib is?

Of course you don't. You assumed it should be


Imam at-Tabari said:
The taraib refers to the place where the necklace goes on a woman’s chest.
Imam al-Qurtubi said:
The taraa’ib of a woman, which is the place where her necklace goes,
Imam al-Qurtubi said:
The taraa’ib of a woman, which is the place where her necklace goes,
al-Haafiz Ibn Katheer in his Tafseer said:
The taraib refers to the place where the necklace goes on a woman’s chest.

Checking sir, this is NOT even close to L1 to L5 sir as it is the ring bones close to the neckline where woman's chains would have hung.

Except you are tellinge that ALL these your esteemed scholars are WRONG and you Dr Lateef is the correct one.


You are bursted my dear. Let's move on to the second issue.



1. If the Qur'an is from God, why does it say the sun set in some murky waters?

drlateef:
Dont tell me half story, what do you mean by bone of Taraib? Give me the hadith or Quran verse you refer to.

I asked the question:
Do you know where the female bone of the taraib is?

1. Imam at-Tabari (may Allah have mercy on him) said: The commentators differed as to what is meant by at-taraa’ib and where they are located. Some said that the word at-taraa’ib refers to the place where the necklace goes on a woman’s chest. This was narrated from Ibn ‘Abbaas, ‘Ikrimah and others.

2. Then he – i.e., at-Tabari (may Allah have mercy on him) – said: The correct view concerning that, in our opinion, is the view of those who said that it is the place where the necklace goes on a woman’s chest, because that is the well-known usage in the Arabic language and in Arabic poetry.

This view that was favoured by the imam of the mufassireen (Qur’an commentators), that what is meant is a man’s backbone and the taraa’ib of a woman, which is the place where her necklace goes, is also the view that was favoured by Imam al-Qurtubi in his Tafseer (16/343, 5/20) and by al-Haafiz Ibn Katheer in his Tafseer (8/375). It was also favoured by al-‘Allaamah Muhammad al-Ameen ash-Shanqeeti (may Allah have mercy on him) who said:

It should be noted that Allah has explained that some this water, which is the nutfah (sperm drop), comes from the sulb, i.e., it is the man’s water, and some of it comes from the taraa’ib, i.e., it is the woman’s water. This is what is referred to in these verses in which Allah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“So let man see from what he is created!
He is created from a water gushing forth
Proceeding from between the back-bone (as-sulb) and the ribs (at-taraa’ib)”
[at-Taariq 86:5-7].

So, again:
Using this same logic, can you explain how the reproductive fluids of the woman come from her taraib

drlateef:
The female ovaries also arise from same origin but the cells differentiate into ovaries. Then the mulerian duct drag the ovaries to the iliac fosa area in the ovarian bed. That’s why the blood supply and nerve supply to testes and ovaries arise from the same L1 region of back bone.

Do you know where the female bone of the taraib is?

I think you don't. Please check the Arabic dictionary!

drlateef:
Read my answers to him

Okay!

drlateef:
I will just limit myself to answering one question at a time, just as I advised you.

1. You asked if I agree that semen is from back bone.
Answer is YES. The Quran chapter 86:5. Says:

"Now let man but think from what he is created! He is created from a drop emitted. Proceeding from between the backbone and the ribs."

My knowledge of human embryology perfectly situates the origin of testes which produce sperm to be correctly situated at the junction of L1 vertebra where the germinal ridge arises from the side of notochord in human embryo during the stage of organogenesis. These testes then descend into scrotal sacs around the time of birth. All trained doctors must have heard about undescended testes. This is an abnormality of descent which clearly shows that testes do not originate from scrotal sac but descend into scrotal sac from their origin. That origin has been accurately described anatomically and embryologically by Allah the owner of mankind. This is enough miracle for you because no scientists had prior knowledge of that before the Quran was revealed. And the Quran was revealed to an illiterate of all people. Even knowledgeable people at the time had no such knowledge.

Your next question?

Using this same logic, can you explain how the reproductive fluids of the woman come from her taraib

You've been truthful mostly till this moment of your Taqqiya.

drlateef:
I will just limit myself to answering one question at a time, just as I advised you.

That wasn't me o!

AntiChristian:
Why not?
Everyone have equal chance to pile up good deeds and minimize bad deeds!



Jesus's world is defined!
Then Jesus said to the woman, “I was sent only to help God’s lost sheep—the people of Israel.” Matthew 15:24

"Begotten" can mean brought about by sex or to bring about! God beget Adam and Eve too in your Bible! Jesus is not "only"...

This Islamic script ha been punctured several times.
Mar 16:15-16:
"And he (Jesus) said to them, Go you into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believes and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believes not shall be damned."
John 1:11-13:
"He came to his own, and his own received him not. But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God."

Your arguments busted with just two scriptures

AntiChristian:
We don't know the unseen! Just as Jesus too does not know when the hour will be established in the Bible!

How do you know in Christianity?
Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of My Father in heaven. Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?’
Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you workers of lawlessness!’ Matthew 7:21-23

This scripture shows Jesus as a judge who decides who goes to paradise or hell and not as one who doesn't know what will befall him.
Qur'an 46:9
Say: I am no new thing among the messengers (of Allah), nor know I what will be done with me or with you. I do but follow that which is inspired in me, and I am but a plain warner.

If there is anyone Allah says doesn't know, it is Mohammed.
Everything you Muslims write about Mohammed's intercession is thus a big set of FABRICATIONS!

AntiChristian:
Suppose? Apply the suppose to the Falsity of your belief that Jesus died for your sins first?

If Jesus didn't die on the cross, explain what happened to him.

Repeating a lie doesn't make it become the truth!

AntiChristian:
As Paul instituted for you in the Letters sent to Ephesian, Corinthians,....



Many will have their good deeds outweighing their bad deeds! (Destination - Paradise)
Many will have their bad deeds outweighing their good deeds! (Destination - Hell, will come out later if Muslim)
Many will have their good deeds balancing their bad deeds! (Destination - Will be in between Paradise and Hell but later enter Paradise)

You quoted:
For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven. Matthew 5:20
Can ones righteousness exceed that of the Pharisees and Teachers of the Law?
Mat 18:3:
"And said, Truly I say to you, Except you be converted, and become as little children, you shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven."

John 3:14-17:
"And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: That whoever believes in him should not perish, but have eternal life. For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved."



I other words, no Muslim can know before hand if he would be saved or not.

Suppose it is UNTRUE that a person can come out of hell fire after a period of time?

What happens to you Muslims?

drlateef:
Write all your queries down and ask me questions one by one.

Okay!

1. If the Qur'an is from God, why does it say the sun set in some murky waters?

We as Christians are NOT saved by our good deeds, we are
1. We are Saved from Hell by TRUSTING God (Faith) for our Salvations (salvation is a Gift of God)
Ephesian 2:8-11
8 For it is by grace you have been saved through faith, and this not from yourselves; it is the gift of God, 9 not by works, so that no one can boast. 10 For we are God’s workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance as our way of life
2. We are Judged according to our deeds.
1 Cor 3:15
If anyone’s work is burned up, he will suffer loss, though he himself will be saved, but only as through fire.
2 Corinthians 5:10
For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, that each one may receive the things done in the body, according to what we have done whether good or bad.

AntiChristian:
You should read the last post again!
If the poor does charity, it can weigh more than that of the rich!

Abu Huraira reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said, “One silver coin is ahead of one hundred thousand others.” They said, “O Messenger of Allah, how is it so?” The Prophet said, “A man has only two coins, so he takes one and gives it in charity. Another man has abundant wealth, so he takes one hundred thousand coins from a mere portion of it and gives it in charity.”

Source: Sunan al-Nasā’ī 2528
Grade: Sahih (authentic) according to Al-Albani

Abdullah ibn Umar reported: The poor emigrants complained to the Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, for what Allah favored the rich over them. The Prophet said, “O you in poverty, I bring you glad tidings that the poor believers will enter Paradise before the rich by half of a day, the length of which is like five hundred years.”

Musa ibn ‘Ubaydah recited the verse, “Verily, a day to your Lord is like a thousand years in your count.” (22:47)

Source: Sunan Ibn Mājah 4214
Grade: Sahih (authentic) according to Al-Albani

Noted:
If a person is saved by his good deeds:
1. Is there ANY Guarantee that a person's good deeds will exceed his bad deeds?

Am I also in misconception with these claims
And it is easy to show that the Qur'an is full of contradictions to History, to Science, to Mathematics, to Logic etc.

1. If the Qur'an is from God, why does it say the sun set in some murky waters?
2. If the Qur'an is from God how does a man have his reproductive fluid from his backbone while the woman has her own reproductive fluids from her ribs?
3. If the Qur'an is from God, why did he report the fable/tale of the seven sleepers as actual events?
4. If the Qur'an is from God, why did he allow Prostitution for Muslims?
5. If the Qur'an is from God, why did he allow divorce of children (in child marriage)?
6. If the Qur'an is from God, why did it contain bed time stories told to Jewish children about Solomon who died for nearly a year standing and no body noticing ?
7. Qur'an says Jesus was not crucified and till today, no Muslim can tell us what happened: they are full of conjectures

If you want to challenge them, I will prove each to you using your Qur'an. Pick them one by one.

drlateef:
There are so many misconceptions in your submissions. Where do i start from? First of all, a just ruler is different from a king. Jesus will rule on one form or the other, but not as a king. Because Allah has not established kingship in Islam under the era of Muhammad. And Mahdi will probably be his Imam because he will pray behind the imam.

But Allah didn't say any of these: do you believe in All hadiths!
Just as you claimed a hadith I quoted was modified by Christians: could this no have also been modified by Muslims?
By the way:
It conflicts with the earlier revealed scripture.

drlateef:
Secondly Allah mentions Christians, Jews, Saebians who believe in only Allah and the day of judgement. Those are the ones who will eventually enter paradise just like every other muslim. But if they don’t believe in Islam and Quran, it is very likely they will spend time in hell fire before eventually entering paradise. The reason is because these are the questions angels will ask them in their graves after death. If they fail any of the questions they will be judged on them by Allah. Just like some muslims who do shirk with Islam. Some christians still believe in only one God eg. Jehovah’s Witnesses. But any Christian that believes jesus is God or shares some power with Allah will not enter paradise. This is because Allah says He will never forgive the sin of associating partners with Him. They will spend time in hell fire. And if they have any iota of belief in God, they may be taken out to paradise after a time known only to Allah.

As of the time of Mohammed, Christians have believed that Allah is Jesus the son of Mary, they believed in the day of Judgment, they believed in one God (if you know of christians at the time of Mohammed who didn't believe that, please Id accept your evidence)
Quran 6:72
They have certainly disbelieved who say, " Allah is the Messiah, the son of Mary" while the Messiah has said, "O Children of Israel, worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord." Indeed, he who associates others with Allah - Allah has forbidden him Paradise, and his refuge is the Fire. And there are not for the wrongdoers any helpers.
Allah was condemning Christians here but then,

Why would Allah say that they go to paradise?

drlateef:
Allah did not deceive people to become Christians, just like Allah did not deceive some jews who worship Moses. The people have followed their own desires. Jesus was possibly nailed but not killed on cross. And that does not mean people should worship him or follow him in a religion. Jesus never instructed them to worship him, neither did he create any religion. Because he was not instructed to do so by Allah. And all your so-called contradictions you listed, at best are confusing to you, but never a contradiction, if you know what contradiction means linguistically. The confusions require another discussion to thrash them out another time.

1. There is NO single Jew who worshipped Moses: your evidence if you disagree!
2. Allah Deceived the Christians just as he deceived the Jews:
Do you agree that Allah deceived the Jews an Romans about the crucifixion and death of Christ?
If Yes!
Tell me one thing Allah did diferently for the Christians (including mary the mother of Jesus, the Disciples, the followers etc)
3. Are you Ahmadiyah?
You said that "Jesus was possibly nailed but not killed on cross". This is contrary to the Quran
Quran 4:157
That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah"; but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not.

Allah was very clear
1. Jesus was NOT killed
2. Jesus was NOT Crucified
3. It was MADE to APPEAR to them that Jesus was crucified and killed
The process of hanging a person on a tree with the purpose of executing him is called crucifixion.

Actually, it is the Muslims who follow their own CONJECTURES as the Jews, Romans and Christians can tell you exactly what happened to Jesus.

AntiChristian:
Again I already answer this earlier. The rich has a lot of wealth and will take time to account for how s/he amassed the wealth!

Okay!

AntiChristian:
Allah has written our Destiny because He is the all Knower, He knows what was, what is and what will be! However, no one will be punished until they commit sin!

Babies that died before they become responsible for their actions will be tested by Allah on the day of resurrection!
Whoever passes will be in Jannah and whoever fails will be in hell!

This is contrary to the hadiths I posted about babies. Mohammed states that Allah created some people for Hell fire and thus Muslim babies can go to hell fire. Its according to the decree of Allah and no one can change his decree!

AntiChristian:
It is destiny that s/he will enter heaven by intercession after being in hell.
Intercession on the day of resurrection is of two types. The first will be done by the Prophet Muhammad salallahu alayhi wasalam as a grace from Allah. When all mankind will have become weary from waiting for judgement, he will intercede for all mankind that judgement may be passed! This is the great intercession!

If a big chunk of your hadiths are fabricated, how can you be sure that Mohammed will be an intercessor to Muslims. The Quran NEVER said that: I stand to be corrected!
Not one single prophet including Moses says he would be an intercessor to their followers on the day of judgement: do you know of any?

If Mohammed is a sinner like the rest of us, he's also in need intercession.

BTW:
The Bible speaks of the fact that there exist NO intercession after death.
“Just as man is destined to die once, and after that to face judgment” (Hebrews 9:27)

Why do you think Jesus is called Al-Hakam in Islam?

AntiChristian:
What is the context/Settings of this verse?
What is the context/Settings of this verse?
What is the context/Settings of this verse?

The context is the same: when Allah decides, no one can change it!
eg. If Allah misleads a person, no one can set him aright!

Hambivert:
Instead of funding and wasting resources on the war happening in Ukraine, the UK government can channel that scarce resources in improving their home economy.

The US is suffering inflation, the UK economy is barely escaping recession, and the EU too is fighting inflation. Although, Russia who is fighting a direct war is suffering as well, it can't be compared to what the UK, US and EU that are fighting 'proxy' wars are suffering.

Russia have shocked their adversaries. The governance and policies of Vladimir Putin needs to be studied in institutions in the future. It would be a sparogatively veritable study for remaining solvent during war and hardship.

Russia's economy is in top shape.

Its no wonder they could only celebrate their victory parade with one Armoured Tank

AntiChristian:
You should read the last post again!
If the poor does charity, it can weigh more than that of the rich!

Abu Huraira reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said, “One silver coin is ahead of one hundred thousand others.” They said, “O Messenger of Allah, how is it so?” The Prophet said, “A man has only two coins, so he takes one and gives it in charity. Another man has abundant wealth, so he takes one hundred thousand coins from a mere portion of it and gives it in charity.”

Source: Sunan al-Nasā’ī 2528
Grade: Sahih (authentic) according to Al-Albani

Abdullah ibn Umar reported: The poor emigrants complained to the Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, for what Allah favored the rich over them. The Prophet said, “O you in poverty, I bring you glad tidings that the poor believers will enter Paradise before the rich by half of a day, the length of which is like five hundred years.”

Musa ibn ‘Ubaydah recited the verse, “Verily, a day to your Lord is like a thousand years in your count.” (22:47)

Source: Sunan Ibn Mājah 4214
Grade: Sahih (authentic) according to Al-Albani

Thanks for the clarification with this hadith.

However,
1. Why would the poor Muslims enter paradise for half a day before the rich Muslim?

Abu Huraira reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said, “The poor Muslims will enter Paradise before the rich by half of a day, the length of which is like five hundred years.”
Source: Sunan al-Tirmidhī 2354

2. I seem not to be able to reconcile the DESTINY of Allah with your deeds on earth: for if a baby can go to hell, how much control does an adult Muslim have on not going to hell?


1. If Allah has destined even Muslim BABIES (who have not directly committed any sin) to Hell fire, what hope does a grown sinning Muslim man has?
Sahih Muslim (6436)
'A'isha, the mother of the believers, said that Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) was called to lead the funeral prayer of a child of the Ansar. I said: Allah's Messenger, there is happiness for this child who is a bird from the birds of Paradise for it committed no sin nor has he reached the age when one can commit sin. He said: 'A'isha, per adventure, it may be otherwise, because God created for Paradise those who are fit for it while they were yet in their father's loins and created for Hell those who are to go to Hell. He created them for Hell while they were yet in their father's loins


2. One of the cardinal things a Muslim must believe in is DESTINY: If Allah has destined a person (Christian, Muslim or Polytheist) to hell by misleading him, what kind of intercession can save one who Allah himself DECEIVED?
Qur'an 5:41
“And for whoever Allah wills to try with error, you can do nothing for him against Allah”.
Qur'an 11:34
“And my advice will not profit you, even if I wish to give you good counsel, if Allah’s will is to keep you astray.”
Qur'an 7:186
“Whomsoever Allah allows to stray, then there is no guide for him; and He lets them wander blindly in their transgressions.”

Thank you please

AntiChristian:
This is your Holly Spirit insertion or thoughts not mine!


This is your Holly Spirit insertion or thoughts not mine!


Both rich and Poor have their advantages!

LOL!
I was stating my understanding as I felt the advantage of the poor over the rich is that they have TIME for supplications and invocations . You will this need to help me

Example:
Zakir Naik is rich but I assume he also perform enough supplications and invocations.

What specifically is the advantage of the poor when both the rich and the poor can perform both supplications and invocations?

Thank you

drlateef:
Thank you for your observations. As regards the hadith you quoted, I believe the words in bracket must have been inserted by Christians. That is not part of the hadith. At no time did the prophet mention that Jesus will come back as a king or ruler. The coming of Jesus Christ is not to preach, but to set records straight about who he is among Christians. He will kill the Dajjal or antichrist and will destroy all vestiges of Christianity that remains. He will deny all the pastors and christian leaders. He will not be the leader by then because he will pray behind Imam Mahdi at Masjid al Aqsa In Jerusalem. That imam would be his leader by then.
The common of Jesus is one of the major signs of the end of the world. By that time the world be almost ending. And everyone will be muslim by the time jesus comes. Because the Christians will realise they have been deceived for thousands of years, and that jesus himself is a muslim. And one of the reasons for his coming back is that he will die natural death. Allah says in Quran that every soul must taste death. That includes Jesus.

I have attached the screenshot of the full hadith from Sunnah.com so that you can know that Christians did not insert any bracket into your hadith.

Is it not Allah who created Christianity by deceiving them to see Jesus on the Cross?

If Christians are on the wrong path, why did Allah say Jews, Christian and Sabians will go to paradise?

drlateef:
Therefore, my brother your invitation to me is asking me to join the wrong path. Because when Jesus comes all of you will have no option than to become muslims. All human beings would be muslims by then. But their being muslims is of no use by then because the door of repentance would have been closed by Allah. By the time Jesus comes, there would be no faith anymore because the certainty of Allah being the creator and Islam being His only religion would be too overwhelming for anyone to deny. Therefore, belief will not be based on faith but on certainty by then. It is like those in the throes of death. When they see the angel of death, the certainty dons on them, and belief is useless at that time. I urge you to consider these facts.

Did not Mohammed say that at the end times, you Muslims would be divided into 73 sects and only one would be on the right path?
Jesus was supposed to kill the pigs (Jews) : why?

The Isa of Islam seem to be far different from the Jesus of the bible

drlateef:
The bible verses you quote up there, there is only one verse of the Quran that demolishes all those fabrications. Allah says in Quran 2 verse 79:

“ So woe to those who write the "scripture" with their own hands, then say, "This is from Allah," in order to exchange it for a small price. Woe to them for what their hands have written and woe to them for what they earn.”

You will be honest with me to agree that the whole bible were written by human beings. They are the ones Allah is talking about in that verse. A logical thing to do is ask for the true origin of the bible and compare that to the Quran. A reasonable assumption to make is that Quran is most likely a revealed book, while the bible was written by humans. Otherwise you won’t find such verse above in a book written by human beings. Simply put, they are cursing themselves if they write that in Quran with their own hands. And if you ask me to choose between following a revealed book and a book written by humans, i will choose the former any day.
Cheers!!!

All Jews and Christians have NEVER said God dictated or wrote their Scriptures. Genesis to Revelation was written by Human Beings representing God.

The Qur'an on the other hand claim to be DICTATED verbatim words of Allah: therefore we can easily test.
Allah says if the Qur'an was not from him, it would have contained contradictions.

And it is easy to show that the Qur'an is full of contradictions to History, to Science, to Mathematics, to Logic etc.

1. If the Qur'an is from God, why does it say the sun set in some murky waters?
2. If the Qur'an is from God how does a man have his reproductive fluid from his backbone while the woman has her own reproductive fluids from her ribs?
3. If the Qur'an is from God, why did he report the fable/tale of the seven sleepers as actual events?
4. If the Qur'an is from God, why did he allow Prostitution for Muslims?
5. If the Qur'an is from God, why did he allow divorce of children (in child marriage)?
6. If the Qur'an is from God, why did it contain bed time stories told to Jewish children about Solomon who died for nearly a year standing and no body noticing ?
7. Qur'an says Jesus was not crucified and till today, no Muslim can tell us what happened: they are full of conjectures

If you want to challenge them, I will prove each to you using your Qur'an. Pick them one by one.

Finally,
Even your prophet attests to the Torah (written by Humans)

MightySparrow:
Without much knowledge of Sexlam, I have always felt that the religion is a dirty one.
Thanks so much for eye-opening post s

God is good.
Many Christians will see all the things Muslims keep hidden about Islam.

Muslims who seek the truth can first see the deception they've been subjected to under Islam.

Even then, the educational value is invaluable to have.

Shalom

MightySparrow:
You get joor my brother.
Antichristian with his knowledge defending a nonexistent Allah created by a randy prophet.
Dó you know something? I can't stop laughing because of the marriage of Virgin Mary and Mohammed in Al - Jaannah.
How does that prove Mohammed as a messager? What message, what God?
Sexlam is a fool's paradise joke.

It is the dilemma of Muslims.

Allah commands them to take anything Mohammed says to them.
Unfortunately,
Many things in the Hadiths are to say the least embarrassing

Unfortunately, the Qur'an is not complete without the Hadiths

Till today, no one has been able to find the Qur'an of Umar : all the Sunni Muslims have is the recitation of Hafs. I don't know how it becomes more reliable to take a recital over a printed manuscript of the Qur'an.

MightySparrow:
Sexlam is nothing but admixture of Arabic folklore, Buddist traditions and twisted scriptures from Jewish writs.
How can you trust an armed robber prophet? A man who got his father - in - law drunk to get his big mummy hand in marriage?
I began to understand Sexlam when Christian Prince, an Arab began to debate sexlamic scholars and read the correct Arabic.

Sexlam has destroyed Africa, turned Middle East the one time centre of civilization is now a dread of the earth. No more advancement in knowledge but violence and Quran.

There is no difference between Islam and 419 to turn people to a false hope of a relationship will God while Mohammed himself is the first beneficiary of them becoming Muslims especially with Power, Women and Wealth.

The Caliphs who followed saw that the Islamic tool of control brough tremendous wealth and power to them. The system was so successful in that it brought in willing subjects who are ready to fanatically defend anything in the name of Mohammed.

If only they can see that the whole of Islam is an elaborate Taqqiya!

I pray for them: 419 people succeed ONLY because they sound CONVINCING!

drlateef:
Your questions are bordering on Qadar and Qadir , or destiny. First of all, yes, no soul created by Allah knows what will happen for sure to him/her on the day of judgement. That includes all prophets of Allah including Jesus, Moses, Muhammad etc. This is because the mercy of Allah is what admits every soul to paradise, not the righteous deeds etc. The story was told of a man who boasted about entering paradise because of his good works. Allah ask that they should bring his shoes and dust the soles up. A lot of dead ants came down from it and the ants had their sorry tales to tell before the man trampled on them unknowingly and killed them. On that basis he was sent to hell. The main message here is arrogance is abhorrent to Allah. Any soul that comes with tiny amount of arrogance will not enter paradise. Therefore, even on the day of judgement every soul must submit in humility to the majesty of Allah and hope for his mercy. There was also story told by the prophet where a rich man told his family to cremate his body and spread the ashes on sea after his death because he was a wicked money lender. When Allah asked him after his death on why he gave that instruction to his family, he said he was afraid of his meeting with Allah. Based on that, Allah forgave him and sent him to paradise.
On destiny, it is a very lengthy topic and can be confusing to many muslims. Yes, people may be destined for hell, not because Allah chose it for them, but they chose it for themselves before being borne. But every destiny can be changed except permanent ones like the day of birth and death, how they will die and in which land they will die. But other destiny like final abode in hell or paradise, how many wives and children or will they be childless, all of these can be changed with prayers and good work on earth. For example, the night of majesty in Ramadan is a night that Allah changes the destiny of muslims when they pray for it throughout that night.
Finally, yes, Muhammad was given news of his final abode and i hope all prophets and saints will in shaa Allah end up in paradise. Because the prophet made mention of it many times, including his saabas whom he said he saw in paradise. In fact, 10 of his companions were promised paradise while still on earth. But despite that, Allah wants all muslims to be humble and submit to His ultimate mercy instead of feeling arrogant and entitled to be in paradise. Allah also states what can make you attain paradise if you worship Him sincerely. But even if you do all those things, you must still continue to beg Allah to show mercy on you and admit you to paradise.

I wouldn't say you've answered all my questions but I want to honestly appreciate you for this discussion.
You have been forthwith and truthful about the claims of Islam. To this I want to say thank you.

I will only want to make just ONE little correction on your claims about Jesus that:

"First of all, yes, no soul created by Allah knows what will happen for sure to him/her on the day of judgement. That includes all prophets of Allah including Jesus, Moses, Muhammad etc."

This is UNTRUE!
1. Is it TRUE that Jesus according to Islam is ALREADY with Allah (in Paradise)
2. Is it possible that Kalimatullah or Ruhullah is NOT sure of what will happen on the day of Judgement?
3. There is NOT one evidence from either the Qur'an or Hadiths that Jesus does NOT know what will befall him on the day of Judgement
4. Jesus is said to be the judge of mankind in your hadith, is it possible that the judge Himself is unsure of his stand with God?

Sahih Al-Bukhari Hadith 4.657
Narrated by Abu Huraira
Allah's Messenger (saws) said, "By Him (Allah) in Whose Hands my soul is, surely (Jesus (a.s.)) the son of Mary will soon descend amongst you and will judge mankind justly (as a Just Ruler)


From the Bible, Jesus is the Judge who will decide who goes to heaven or hell

Mat 13:41:
"The Son of man (Jesus) shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;"

Mat 16:27:
"For the Son of man (Jesus) shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works."

[b]Rev 21:27:
"And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defiles, neither whatever works abomination, or makes a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's (Jesus's) book of life."
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Dr Lateef,
You are a sincere person but you know that it is possible to be sincerely mislead.
Why do you think God sent the Messiah with all his supernatural qualities?
Is it just to preach the Oneness of God? Don't you think that even satan know that there is only one God? Why is the Messiah a co-creator of life according to Islam?

The Messiah came as the infinite payment for our crime of Sin against God which would have been impossible for any Human to pay.

Can you choose to TRUST in God's SOLUTION for your crime of Sin and thus be bestowed Paradise as a Gift?

Why do you think God instructed Moses to make sacrifices for the sin of the children of Israel?
Because
Heb 9:22:
"And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission (of sin)."

Jesus said:
Mat 26:28:
"For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins."
The purpose is that
Luk 24:47:
"And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem."

Rom 3:25:
"(Jesus) Whom God has set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;"


Dr Lateef,
I sincerely invite you to the Messiah for the Remission of Your Sins and a Guarantee of a place with God in Paradise


The truth will set you Free once you know it sir.


I welcome ANY Questions from you!

drlateef:
That is a sahih hadith by all measures we apply to investigate it. And it does not in anyway conflict with intercession by the prophet, passing over the bridge and Allah appearing to believers in paradise. These are different events occurring at different stages of the day of judgement. Making account of your stay in this world is one of the first things to happen on the day of judgement. The day of judgement is not just one day. It could be thousands of years by our reckoning. And after making your account, if your good deeds are not as much as bad deeds, thats when intercession will come in. After intercession comes the travelling over the bridge. And those who do not fall into hell fire and find themselves in paradise are the ones given privilege to see the countenance of Allah in paradise. There are other various events that will occur, many of which are recorded in books of hadith.

Thanks for your explanation even though I have questions.

1. How can Mohammed be an intercessor when he himself has no guarantee of paradise according to Allah in the Qur'an
Qur'an 46:9
Say (O Muhammad SAW):"I am not a new thing among the Messengers (of Allah) nor do I know what will be done with me or with you. I only follow that which is revealed to me, and I am but a plain warner."


2. If Allah has destined even Muslim BABIES (who have not directly committed any sin) to Hell fire, what hope does a grown sinning Muslim man has?
Sahih Muslim (6436)
'A'isha, the mother of the believers, said that Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) was called to lead the funeral prayer of a child of the Ansar. I said: Allah's Messenger, there is happiness for this child who is a bird from the birds of Paradise for it committed no sin nor has he reached the age when one can commit sin. He said: 'A'isha, per adventure, it may be otherwise, because God created for Paradise those who are fit for it while they were yet in their father's loins and created for Hell those who are to go to Hell. He created them for Hell while they were yet in their father's loins


3. One of the cardinal things a Muslim must believe in is DESTINY: If Allah has destined a person (Christian, Muslim or Polytheist) to hell by misleading him, what kind of intercession can save one who Allah himself DECEIVED?
Qur'an 5:41
“And for whoever Allah wills to try with error, you can do nothing for him against Allah”.
Qur'an 11:34
“And my advice will not profit you, even if I wish to give you good counsel, if Allah’s will is to keep you astray.”
Qur'an 7:186
“Whomsoever Allah allows to stray, then there is no guide for him; and He lets them wander blindly in their transgressions.”

Thank you please

MightySparrow:
I
Sexlam is a stupid religion.

I think the doctrine of Islam on entering paradise is the most inconsistent and confused ever. Every Muslim just choose what he wants to believe out of the mixture of tales

drlateef:
Abu Huraira reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said, “The poor Muslims will enter Paradise before the rich by half of a day, the length of which is like five hundred years.”

Source: Sunan al-Tirmidhī 2354


It is not a matter of being righteous. But it is a matter of accounting for what they were provided with, how they spent it, who they gave money, their intention for giving it etc. The poor have nothing to account for.

Thank you!

How do you as Muslims reconcile this hadith with
1. Where Mohammed will intercede for you Muslims
2. Where Muslims will pass over the bridge of Al-Sirat
3. Where Allah will appear to you Muslims in a shape different from the way you know him until you see his shin


I noticed that the grade of the Hadith is not Sahih: what do you say?

drlateef:
But on the day of judgement the poor will be in paradise for over 500 years while the rich are still making accounts of how they spent their money.

A. Can you give me a Hadith that support this 500 years?
Are all rich people in this category?
I assume some rich people like Zakir Naik are also religious, pius and devoted to Allah

B. Don't you think 500 years is too long to report what a rich human did in 50-60 years maximum?



I know there is a Hadith
1. Where Mohammed will intercede for you Muslims
2. Where Muslims will pass over the bridge of Al-Sirat
3. Where Allah will appear to you Muslims in a shape different from the way you know him until you see his shin

I've not heard of 500 years headstart for Muslims in paradise