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sonmvayina:
So...preach to me....


I might change my mind..


If the new testament is from God, where did God say he would sire a son by impregnating another man's wife, who would be killed as a sacrifice to him but will rise on the third day?
In the Tanakh (old testament)

LOL!
Tell me,
Were you told something different by Ala, Amadiọha, Anyanwụ or Ekwensu?

What did they tell you?

sonmvayina:
I was once a Christian in my period of ignorance..now I have grown older...

So please why did you choose jesus, a creation of the Roman empire as your God. Do you know that human sacrifice is an abomination according to God in the Tanakh. And also do you know worshipping a man as God is idolatry too as God is not a man....

So why did you choose jesus?.

Answer my question...I will get off your hair..

We have ZERO things in common: it's a waste.

Bring your SCRIPTURE and perhaps we can find something remotely relating.
LOL

sonmvayina:
@TenQ can you answer my question now?

We have NOTHING in common bro!

sonmvayina:
The Jews recognise one God and the other lesser gods referred to as "the sons of God" that is the deities like Amadioha, etc.which is Sango is Yoruba, Thor in Norse etc..
So what you on about..

Answer my question..

No sir!

Another confusion from you. Jews are strictly monotheistic even more than the Muslims.

The fundamental of Jewish believes centers on the Schema

Sh'ma Yisra'el, YHWH 'eloheinu, YHWH 'eḥad:


Better still
Find me ANY Jewish Rabbi that believe in lesser gods?

sonmvayina:
I did CRS in my junior school....In UDSS Benin city..

Can you answer my question now?

That is no relationship!
Most of the Atheists I deal with on NL were former Christians and as a rule, I don't discuss bible with them. I discuss that which is common to us eg Logic, Science and Philosophy.

With you, I don't know anything common and I see that you are thoroughly confused as per your Faith!

sonmvayina:
You know you don't have sense...

If you did, you would have asked me question based on the comment you mentioned..

Aturu

What is your relationship with the Tanakh: I'll like to know your first contact with it?

sonmvayina:
Odinani means the laws of the land...

Just like the Jews have Torah for their land..

I follow mine, they follow theirs....

Same idea of God...
Same laws...


But you...you are still a toddler...

Who/what is God?

Don't redefine Odinani to suit your fantasy:

Odinani is a pantheistic and polytheistic faith, having a strong central deity at its head. All things spring from this deity. Although a pantheon of other gods and spirits, these being Ala, Amadiọha, Anyanwụ, Ekwensu, Ikenga, exists in the belief system, as it does in many other Traditional African religions, the lesser deities prevalent in Odinani serve as helpers or elements of Chukwu, the central deity

This has nothing to do with the Scripture of the Jews the Tanakh not the Bible.


Bring your own scripture and let's talk!
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Odinala

sonmvayina:
Ok I agree..

Can you now answer my question now?

Please..

You have no basis to ask me any question bro!
You are confused beyond redemption!

An Idol worshiper!?

Tueh!

I actually find it amusing that many atheists are willing to believe that aliens exist somewhere in our universe probably breathing in Ammonia instead of Oxygen and made from Silicon rather than Carbon.
LOL!!

Notwithstanding, let's have a go with your comment

jaephoenix:
Okay. Assuming, its out of this world. Don't you think it may be an alien? And if an alien, may not obey OUR own laws of physics

Any Intelligent Being not from our planet earth is referred to as an Alien!

If this is true:
Then there could be two classes of Aliens
1. Aliens who are subject to our physical laws who are from within our Universe
2. Aliens who are NOT subject to our physical laws who are not from within our Universe

According to these definitions, God, His Angels, Demons could be loosely referred by humans to be aliens
However,
Any Alien subject to our physical laws or made of materials must have been created!

jaephoenix:
Did it occur to you that the force behind creation could be of this world, and not other-worldly

My questions were:
1. Do you concur that SOMETHING beyond time, space, matter and physical laws initiated the expansion of the Universe?
2. Do you think such a PRIMARY initiator can be subject to the laws of nature?


What you need to do:
1. Confirm if matter had always existed.
2. Then ask if the laws of Physics and Chemistry can exist without matter
THEN
3. If matter at a point in time never existed
AND
The laws of physics and chemistry was not in existence
CONCLUSION:
Whatever Initiated the formation of Matter and the laws of nature must be OUT of this Universe (Not subject to the Physical or Natural Laws).

drlateef:
Obviously you have not been following my discuss and answers given so far.

I followed you and you avoided speaking about the Taraib. You only spoke about the backbone sub!

My question wasn't about the backbone but the Taraib.

If you did speak about the Taraib, please quote it as I didn't see it in your discuss.

Therefore, my question remain the same:

Question:
Using this same logic, can you explain how the reproductive fluids of the woman come from her taraib

sonmvayina:
You still don't understand anything..

God gave humanity his laws to keep so that they can live in peace. Because at the end of the day...their body return to dust and their spirit returns back to dust.
The Jews wrote it down and called it the Torah. It is for their national religion called Judaism.
I am Igbo..we have the same laws as part of our omenani/odinala. We pass it from father to son to grandson..orally. some people have written it down too..for anybody interested to learn it. I learnt mine from my grandfather.and father too...
It is the same laws as God forbids the same thing.
Why you are fixated on the Jewish one is what I don't understand yet. Are you a slave?
I follow the traditions/laws/statues of my tribe... worshipping or following the idea of another tribe will make me a traitor ..

God's laws are universal.
Do not murder
Do not steal
Do not bear false witness
Do not worship any idols.
Do not commit adultery...

Etc...

If you are smart you would have realised that. Why you decided to choose Christianity is what I don't understand.

So now please answer my question..

You are Igbo and no more a Jew!?
Tell me:
Did God reveal the Tanakh to Amadioha or Ala, Amadiọha, Anyanwụ, Ekwensu or Ikenga?


You are indeed confused beyond measures!

Idol worshipper!

sonmvayina:
Did you not understand you just posted.?

There is one one creator. The other are all personification of principles of life and all aspect of God.
Just like Olodumare and the Orishas.
Same the Babylonian with Marduk and Enki and the baals.and Judaism too...they refer to them as "the sons of God"

You really don't understand anything...

I can really teach you if you are ready..

One creator...

...a polytheistic idol worshipper claiming to be a Jew!?

SMmH!

sonmvayina:
You still don't understand anything..

God gave humanity his laws to keep so that they can live in peace. Because at the end of the day...their body return to dust and their spirit returns back to dust.
The Jews wrote it down and called it the Torah. It is for their national religion called Judaism.
I am Igbo..we have the same laws as part of our omenani/odinala. We pass it from father to son to grandson..orally. some people have written it down too..for anybody interested to learn it. I learnt mine from my grandfather.and father too...
It is the same laws as God forbids the same thing.
Why you are fixated on the Jewish one is what I don't understand yet. Are you a slave?
I follow the traditions/laws/statues of my tribe... worshipping or following the idea of another tribe will make me a traitor ..

God's laws are universal.
Do not murder
Do not steal
Do not bear false witness
Do not worship any idols.
Do not commit adultery...

Etc...

If you are smart you would have realised that. Why you decided to choose Christianity is what I don't understand.

So now please answer my question..

I don't know where you got you SCRIPTURE!

You call yourself Odinani

sonmvayina:
I believe and follow God's divine universal laws called odinani... you choose Christianity which is just same old paganism of worship of mother and son....
I only show that Christianity is not derived from the Tanakh(old testament) and it is a creation of the Roman empire.....it's all a mockery against God..

You speak of a God you don't know!
Are you a Jew!?


Odinani is a pantheistic and polytheistic faith, having a strong central deity at its head. All things spring from this deity. Although a pantheon of other gods and spirits, these being Ala, Amadiọha, Anyanwụ, Ekwensu, Ikenga, exists in the belief system, as it does in many other Traditional African religions, the lesser deities prevalent in Odinani serve as helpers or elements of Chukwu, the central deity
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Odinala

Opening the Tanakh in the Ten Commandment: the first law of the 10 laws of Moses is

Exo 20:3-5:
"You shall have no other gods before me. You shall not make to you any graven image , or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. You shall not bow down yourself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD your God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;"

Mr sonmvayina, as a person who holds a pantheistic and polytheistic faith,


You are indeed confused!

drlateef:
Obviously you have not been following my discuss and answers given so far.

If you had only answered this question we wouldn't have come to this stage

Question:
Using this same logic, can you explain how the reproductive fluids of the woman come from her taraib

MightySparrow:
You get it brother. Some christian denominations believe they will sit beside God on the day of judgement.

I am thinking about writing a book titled: Christians' Christianities........ God will give me the grace. I am studying denominations and their beliefs.

The LORD grant you the grace to touch lives with the book whenever it comes out in JESUS mighty name

drlateef:
Do you have knowledge of anatomy? How can you appreciate that?

At least I know what the Arabs call the taraib and unless you can prove it, it has nothing to do with the L1-L5.

Question:
Using this same logic, can you explain how the reproductive fluids of the woman come from her taraib

sonmvayina:
@TenQ
Can you answer my questions now?

There is no basis to answer you until you prove you are a Jew: custodian of the Tanakh

What does the Tanakh mean in your dialect?

sonmvayina:
I believe and follow God's divine universal laws called odinani...you choose Christianity which is just same old paganism of worship of mother and son....
I only show that Christianity is not derived from the Tanakh(old testament) and it is a creation of the Roman empire.....it's all a mockery against God..

You speak of a God you don't know!
Are you a Jew!?


Odinani is a pantheistic and polytheistic faith, having a strong central deity at its head.[2][3] All things spring from this deity. Although a pantheon of other gods and spirits, these being Ala, Amadiọha, Anyanwụ, Ekwensu, Ikenga, exists in the belief system, as it does in many other Traditional African religions, the lesser deities prevalent in Odinani serve as helpers or elements of Chukwu, the central deity

You are indeed confused!

sonmvayina:
I am not a Muslim...
You don't have a right to ask them...

And I'm not a Jew!
LOL

sonmvayina:
Your beliefs and theirs belong to the same category...same fabrication by men, with little or no knowledge of God...

1. Unfortunately, several DNA analysis of you people showed that you have no remote relation with the Jews
https://www.jewishvoice.org/read/article/update-igbo-nigeria

https://www.google.com/amp/s/sunnewsonline.com/igbo-not-jews-reveals-dna-report/%3famp

2. Most ethnic people related to the Jews have their Torah even if it is a page. Can we see the fake Jew's Torah
3. Every Jew can trace his lineage to Jacob, can you state your own
4. What are the cultural artifacts that proves that you are Jews.


Aren't you confused!
Where is your Torah?
The one from the fake Jews!?

sonmvayina:
If the new testament is from God, where did God say he would sire a son by impregnating another man's wife, who would be killed as a sacrifice to him but will rise on the third day?
In the Tanakh (old testament)

After you respond to my Question

1. If the Qur'an is from God, why does it say the sun set in some murky waters?

SIRTee15:
I just don't understand this Muslims.
I'm yet to see any superior argument he brought forward.
He could neither defend the L1 nor notochord theory he's been postulating.
The funny thing is that Muhammad he's trying to defend here gave a honest answer when he was caught lying. He quickly said he doesn't know much about general knowledge and they shouldn't hold his word against him when it comes to worldly affairs like science.

Which means if it had been discovered during Muhammad's time that the semen is actually from the testes and not the backbone, he will admit he was saying nonsense and admonish his followers to ignore his lies.

Also, if it was revealed during his time the damage and evil of child marriage, Muhammed wil admit it was wrong for him to have married Aisha, and will warn his companions to leave girl child alone and not be consumed with greed.

But now we have drlateef and co trying to be more Muslim than Muhammed. They think they know more than Muhammed who created the religion.

Really I just pity them because they are forever stuck with the Qur'an, they are practically slave to that book. They must defend all the nonsense in it even if it only makes Islam and Muhammed a subject of mockery.

When you quote Tafsirs explaining this, their general response is that the hadith has been fabricated.

Going by this logic, it means more than 90% of everything we know about Islam is fabricated.

The Quran is very clear on the verse
Qur'an 86:5-7:
"So let man observe from what he was created. He was created from a fluid, ejected, Emerging from between the backbone and the ribs"?

His whole argument had been about the backbone: he is avoiding what the ribs has to do with reproduction.
What even is that ejected fluid?

drlateef:
You are confused and ignorant at same time. I never told you that, so you are confused and you don’t know what tarai’b means. Go and learn arabic.

Let me jog your memory!
You said:

drlateef:
I will just limit myself to answering one question at a time, just as I advised you.

1. You asked if I agree that semen is from back bone.
Answer is YES. The Quran chapter 86:5. Says:

"Now let man but think from what he is created! He is created from a drop emitted. Proceeding from between the backbone and the ribs."

My knowledge of human embryology perfectly situates the origin of testes which produce sperm to be correctly situated at the junction of L1 vertebra where the germinal ridge arises from the side of notochord in human embryo during the stage of organogenesis. These testes then descend into scrotal sacs around the time of birth. All trained doctors must have heard about undescended testes. This is an abnormality of descent which clearly shows that testes do not originate from scrotal sac but descend into scrotal sac from their origin. That origin has been accurately described anatomically and embryologically by Allah the owner of mankind. This is enough miracle for you because no scientists had prior knowledge of that before the Quran was revealed. And the Quran was revealed to an illiterate of all people. Even knowledgeable people at the time had no such knowledge.

Your next question?

My initial question was

TenQ:
Using this same logic, can you explain how the reproductive fluids of the woman come from her taraib

You've been truthful mostly till this moment of your Taqqiya.

Beczause you never responded directly to this Question,
then I asked
Is the Taraib one of the L1-L5 bones?


I am still waiting for your response

drlateef:
Go and learn arabic and medicine together. Then come back to discuss. Other than that, i am talking to a deaf person because you cannot understand.

Why is it difficult to respond to this simple question: the Arabic dictionary may be of help to you:

Is the Taraib one of the L1-L5 bones?

drlateef:
Exactly!!!! He is not even going to accept superior arguments. I see many of them as hopeless cases. No need wasting any time with them. If they find salvation before death, all well and good. If not, that’s their loss. I won’t be affected in any way. Every soul will bear the burden of their faith or faithlessness.

I think it is you who has to accept superior argument.

Is the Taraib one of the L1-L5 bones?

Your whole argument had been based on that sir!

[quote author=xproducer post=123132236][/quote]Let's continue to pray for these Muslims: people swindled by 419's sometimes live in total delusion in believing their wicked Deceivers!

Just as people had chosen Barabbas the robber over Jesus the Righteous One, many are holding on to Mohammed the swindler instead of the Messiah

Cybertroll:
Tell me, what's your proof God exists? Kindly do so without quoting the Bible or Quran.

Thank you!

OAM4J

Kobokunkie
MaxInDHouse
TenQ
DtruthSpeaker

Your existence is the greatest proof.

1. You are conscious
2. You are intelligent
3. You can even operate in an abstract sense sometimes.

It is IMPOSSIBLE in the material space that a System evolve out of chaos or nothing without guide from the external!

To prove that God doesn't exist, you may need to compute the probability that
A Boeing 747 or a Laptop can assemble itself given every necessary individual component parts!

If you can't, it's a waste of precious time to engage with you.

Lukuluku69:
No letting up at all.....

Continue, Yahweh himself choose your DELUSION

You forgot that Allah destined me to become a Christian and also to write about Islam.

I'm I not under the power of the DESTINY of Allah?

I guess it is also part of Allah's Destiny to despise my writings. Too bad, Allah is setting us against each other!

Again:
The goof of the reproductive fluid coming from the rib and backbone has been broken.

Remember, it takes only ONE goof to conclude that God never dictated the Qur'an
1. If the Qur'an is from God, why does it say the sun set in some murky waters?

Amuluonyenaego:
Pope should tell that young man the truth, America no mean well for him

I agree perfectly with you.

Russia mean all the best for Ukraine. All they wanted was to peacefully deNazify Ukraine and set them on the right path to being exactly like Belarus.

If the comedian had allowed Russia to take Crimea and the Donbas and the Zeporizhsia up to Moldova no one would have died in this war. But senseless Comedian is so stubborn!
His stubbornness is now causing Wagner and the Russian MoD to clash over ammunition.

Sonnobax15:

Zelenskyy the most stubborn president on earth, sending his people to their early graves on a stead . Make pope try talk sense into am.

I agree perfectly with you. If the comedian had allowed Russia to take Crimea and the Donbas and the Zeporizhsia up to Moldova no one would have died in this war. But senseless Comedian is so stubborn!
His stubbornness is now causing Wagner and the Russian MoD to clash over ammunition.

The comedian should have counted the cost of war that shouldn't have exceeded 3 weeks at most.

Lukuluku69:
Confused One, it has been a while though! I can see that the confusion cum delusion is not easing up. Lol

Just keep at it, you have your audience so ride on.........

You don't know if that is why I ask you questions? LOL

The goof of the reproductive fluid coming from the rib and backbone has been broken.

Remember, it takes only ONE goof to conclude that God never dictated the Qur'an
1. If the Qur'an is from God, why does it say the sun set in some murky waters?

Lukuluku69:
It is better to leave that Confused Soul to his delusion. He brings all sorts together to justify a narrative and an agenda. At best his arguments are specious albeit lacking in a sound doctrines derived from his so-called Book of Authority but rather from the Tortured brains of people like him who believe they know God s mind and can speak for Him.

Clearly he reads from the Bible that his Jesus and his father WILL NOT FORGIVE blasphemy against a certain Holy Sppok yet he can turn around and say Muslims holds Sins in Graduated scales? On the evidence of this alone, is it not safe to say, if a particular transgressions will never be forgiven you, while others can be forgiven, then Sins/Transgressions are in Grades of LESSER AND GREATER ONES?

But he has been wired to think from his rear end, his DELUSION is CHOSEN by Jehovah Himself.

Engage him but I guarantee you, he will ONLY waste your TIME with his rigmaroles, whataboutism, endless and meaningless tirades and warped confused and concoctions of Scriptures to justify his delusion.

Endless rants over nothing!

I usually write to expose the things you Muslims would rather gloss over or pretend it doesn't even exist. To this you think I am your enemy: far from it.

You might want to list the graduation of sin according to Christian theology if speak untruth.

My crime!?
I force you to think about Islamic doctrines.





Remember, it takes only ONE goof to conclude that God never dictated the Qur'an
1. If the Qur'an is from God, why does it say the sun set in some murky waters?