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Why is it that ANY Hadith or Tafsir or Islamic Books by Scholars are deemed as either
1. Fabrications
2. Weak
3. Appeal to Fallibility of the writer
4. Appeal to lack of chains of reference

When, you can't interpret the Qur'an without these same books.

Other Muslims will say that any writings that CONTRADICTS the Qur'an is rejected. This lead us into another set of problems

There are many hadiths that abrogates the Qur'an!

A good example is the Hadith abrogating Mutah which of course is allowed in the Qur'an.


You'll agree with me that Islam makes its rules by cherry picking only that which favour them per time.

Icuib4cu:
Local man is confuse.

Simplify ahbeg

It's impossible to converse with a brute mule.

Have a nice day!

Icuib4cu:
Typical nigeria pikin, no need to waste words on you.

Since you are shutting down,
Let me help you out:

If God made us as Robots without FREEWILL, should it be right to judge us?


Why should a baby be beaten for breathing?
Does it make sense to you?

IS THIS UNTRUE:
That
You can only punish a person legally for what he has the power to choose to act otherwise!


Your FREEWILL mean that you can CHOOSE to ACT Otherwise!

One of the first questions I had while I was in-between Islam and Christianity was:

If the Prophets are from God, then their fundamental teaching shouldn't be different.


Jesus said:
I paradise, there is no marriage as we shall all be like angels

Mohammed said:
In paradise, there would be multiplicities of marriages

Conclusion:
The SOURCE of Mohammed and that of Jesus are completely OPPOSITE and DIFFERENT!

FreedomfromtheT:
A lot of people including Christians from other denominations do not seem to like Deeper Life members.
They hardly speak good about them.
Why do you think people dislike Deeper Life members so much?

No one hates deeper life members.

Only Christians who don't mix with others because of superiority complexes are frowned upon

Icuib4cu:
Christians in the house, your inputs are needed for clearer views.

Reverse your question and see if it makes any sense

honesttalk21:
@TenQ
The order of sura in the Quran is specified based on the revelation of the first ayas of the sura, not the revelation of the whole sura.

The Qur'an is an eternal book that is in the tablet in paradise.

Did Jubril reveal the Qur'an in paradise RANDOMLY?

Why?

honesttalk21:
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Al-Baghawi said in Sharh al-Sunnah: “The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) used to instruct his companions and teach them what was revealed to him of the Qur’aan in the order in which it appears in our Quran now, the order which Jibreel taught him.

When each aayah was revealed, Jibreel would tell him, this aayah is to be written after such and such an aayah in Soorah such and such. Thus it is clear that the efforts of the Sahaabah were limited solely to gathering the Qur’aan in one place, not to arranging its order. The Qur’aan is written on al-Lawh al-Mahfooz in this order, then Allaah sent it down in its entirety to the first heaven, whence it was revealed in stages as it was needed, and the order in which it was revealed is not the order in which it is recited.”

Alhaji, is this another Taqqiya or what they taught you?

I can easily deflate the lies you are propagating here.


1. Just look at the highlighted:
Mohammed could only have done this when ALMOST ALL the Chapters have been revealed. It was impossible that Mohamed started re-ordering the Qur'an before at least three quarters of it had been revealed.



2. Are you saying that the Almighty Allah or Jubril mixed up the revelation of the Qur'an so that the order needed to be corrected by Mohammed?
3. Are you aware that some Surah were not completely revealed at once?
4. Do you agree with me that it is stupidity to receive a book in a particular order and mix it up and expect that the information will not be corrupted?
5. If the Qur'an is a book that exist in Paradise even before Mohammed was given, what is the logic behind Jubril randomly choosing chapters and verses to recite in the Qur'an.


Bro, it doesn't make sense!

honesttalk21:
Records or reports of history and the author's bias.
On Abraham's pbuh sacrifice he was to sacrifice his first son, only son indeed a mighty task and test of faith.
If this were Isaac he already had another child although banished with his mother Hagai.

1. Can you prove from the Qur'an that Abraham was to sacrifice his FIRST son?
2. Who in the Qur'an is the forbearing son?

From the Bible we know that Hagar and Ishmael had been sent away by Abraham because Sarah gave birth the Isaac. Gen 21:9-21.

honesttalk21:
The Quran reports slightly more as the Kaaba in Mecca was originally built by Abraham and Ishmael.

No sir. The Qur'an NEVER said that. I stand to be corrected.

Logical Question:
1. Abraham was a cattle rearer, tell me what he was doing in the desert of Mecca with his cattle?
2. If Abram who later was renamed by God as Abraham was in Mecca, how come there was no mention of Abraham in the history of the Meccans?
If you know any history of Abraham before Islam, let me know as I am waiting?
3. What is the meaning of Abraham, Ismael, Ishaq? At least the first born should know the meaning and transmitted it to his children.

honesttalk21:
Wrt to Mary and Aaron; righteous men were referred to as Harun and Mary is supposed to of the righteous hence her people's question.

This is a complete fabrication except you can show me evidence where righteous men were referred to as Harun?

Aaron is an old Hebrew name Meaning:
Mountain of strength, exalted, strong.
From the verb אור ('or), and From the noun הר (har) with the verb ארן (aran)

Aaron is a NAME of the Brother of Moses and Miriam. It is NOT a description.

honesttalk21:
She is also of the family lineage with Aaron as a forefather.

Moses, Aaron and Miriam are of the TRIBE of Levi. All the Priests of Israel are from the Tribe of Levi.

Mary is from the Tribe of Judah. It is impossible dear for your fabrication to be true.

honesttalk21:
What is comical about Yusuf/Joseph pbuh's story? Is it his beauty?

Read the history of Joseph from
Gen 30:25-26,
Gen 37:1-36,
Gen 39 to Gen 50

Then come and ask the Question again!

The problem with you Muslim is that had you read the bible a little, you would have understood the Qur'an better.

honesttalk21:
As the Quran is incorruptible the attention is now thrown towards the hadith however this narration is weak and not reliable.

that Allaah promised his Prophet that He will marry him to the virgin Maryam Bint Imraan and the previously married woman Aasyah Pharaoh's wife." This Hadeeth with this chain of narrators is Dha'eef (weak).

(At-Tabaraani and Abu Huraydah reported in a Hadith with a chain that has some weakness)

Thanks for your response except that
1. Your clerics when preaching in the Masjid always quote hadith that are clearly agreed to be DAIF by Muslims without anyone questioning them.
2. Even Muslim scholars agree that the fact that a Hadith is Weak does not mean that it is UNTRUE.
3. This particular hadith is most likely AUTHENTIC because it is seen in at least TWO different Islamic source. Al-Jalalayn and Al-Suyiti are different unrelated people.
4. Part of the privileges of prophet Mohammed is that he is permitted to marry ANY Muslim woman (married or not). If Mohammed is interested in any married Muslim woman, the instruction is that the husband must divorce his wife for Mohammed to Marry.
5. There is evidence that Mohammed married the wife of a Muslim man .
6. If you check my posts, I have shown several times the ERRORS and INCONSISTENCIES in the Qur'an. It is completely UNTRUE that the Qur'an is incorruptible.
- Does the sun set in some muddy waters?
- Do women have sperms (reproductive fluids) from their ribs?
- Did Suleiman die standing while leaning on his walking stick for almost a year before his people knew he had died?
-Did Allah recite the shahada?
ETC. ETC.!
All the above is from your Qur'an: if you doubt, challenge anyone of them and I will respond to you.

Thanks

advocatejare:
You are right. The Shia’s narration is that Aisha, Abu Bakr, Hafsa and Umar that conspired to kill Muhammad

You can be sure that ALL Sunni Muslims will claim that this is a FABRICATION by the Jews!
LOL!!


Anything they are not comfortable with in their religion is either a Fabrication or Daif!

FxMasterz:
God bless you for shinning the lights to those who are held captive by the god of this world.

Amen and God bless you too.


These posts are also meant for Christians to be educated about the deceptions of Islam.

It is obvious that Mohammed is the same pseudo-Allah the Muslims worship as Allah!

advocatejare:
Muhammad’s mission is to sleep with anything under the skirt, it’s unfortunate that Mary the mother of Jesus is also one of his fantasies.

That is the same muhammad that forbade others from marrying his own wives after his death.

Three things Mohammed loves with an uncontrollable passion
1. Sex with Women:
Therefore, Allah granted him leave for unlimited number of women within or outside marriage, married or not.
2. Perfume:
It seems Allah allowed his Jihads to get this in addition to 20% of all war booties.
3. Meat:
Which finally killed him. It doesn't make sense if Mohammed knew that the mutton was poisoned, yet he eat it.

Although,
Some people are swearing that Aisha was the murderer of Mohammed as a revenge and a means of putting her father as the Caliph.
LegalWolf, Lukuluku69, drLateef and AntiChristian may be able to speak more about this. They should have some evidences of what killed Mohammed.

Acekidc4:
It's true na, compare our cost to other Countries own, you will see that we are enjoying in this our Country.

Like in my Area here, we enjoy Electricity a lot and at a Cheaper Cost.

I know in some Areas, Nepa are not doing Well at all.

Tell me, how much to the nearest cent you earn on the average per month?

This is the test of how cheap or how expensive any commodity is!

AGAIN:
HERE IS WHAT MOHAMMED SAID:
1. In the Book of Ibn Kathir, Qisas al-Anbiya, it is reported that Mohammed said:

"The Messenger of God ... said, ‘God married me in paradise to Mary the daughter of 'Imran and to the wife of Pharaoh and the sister of Moses.’"


2. The hadith of Al-Siyuti says the same thing

Al-Siyuti (6/395)
Muhammad said, “In heaven, Mary mother of Jesus, will be one of my wives.”



I want to ask these two questions:
I have presented TWO different sources of this same aspiration of Mohammed to Marry Mary the Mother of Jesus.
1. Is Al-Suyiti Related to Ibn Kathir ?
2. Did the same fabricators smuggle the texts into these two references?



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FxMasterz:
Thanks for this clarification. This makes me understand this false religion the more.

Shalom Bro!

We will keep on sharing the truth with them until the wall of Islam CRUMBLES!

MRAKPORS:
Say God has purposed to bless His child. This child fornicates. Will the. Child lose the blessings ?

No, God doesn't withdraw His blessings but satan may have legal right to destroy such a blessing


Rom 11:29:
"For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance."

FxMasterz:
That Mohammed really tried but I think the Arabs knew he was false, that's why they rejected him at first. I don't know how he eventually put them under but I suspect they later saw it as a political tool to use in having their own share of followers like Judahism and Christianity. They put up Islam as a competition against the religions that emanated from their enemies the Jews.

You are correct.
On the day Mohammed died, lots of Muslims left the faith.

It took the efforts of Abū Bakr, ʿUmar, ʿUthmān, and ʿAlī who were not ready to abandon this lucrative business of finding willing fighters to rob their neighboring communities of their hard earned wealth and resources for themselves.

All the in-flighting was because of power to make more money and control. The political Islam had matured!

FxMasterz:
But then, as you said above, Muslims don't seem to have any relationship with Allah in paradise. They seem to actually honour Mohammed more than they honour Allah. The other day, I was watching a movie where some Islamic clerics as a congestion of Muslims to praise Mohammed. Then they all started reciting some Arabic stuff rendered as praises to Mohammed. That's when I came to understand that Mohammed actually is a major object of worship in Islam.

Muslims are the first to be guilty of the GREATEST sin in Islam (Shirk): associating partners with Allah.
1. Mohammed became a partner with Allah in the Shahada
2. Mohammed became a partner with Allah in knowledge (Allah and his Apostle know)
3. Mohammed became a partner with Allah in title (Mohammed - the Praised One): who else is the Praised One apart from God?

A Muslim is ready to kill because of Mohammed but slow to act when Allah himself is insulted.

joey150:
what have you people turned my thread into?? for no reason i was banned for 24hours from posting in religious section! wow! big kudos to the spam bot .

hopefully tomorrow morning,i am continuing my purgatory talk . i urge you to reason the facts with me as am going to be very factual and reference the bible .
@valentinemary and @analice107 please this thread was created for reference and enlightenment. i urge you all to please maintain decorum here.

I've been patiently reading your post about purgatory. There is a scripture I want you to factor in when you continue your talk.

Rev 20:15:
"And whoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire."

1. If a person's name is NOT found written in the book of life (Register of the Children of God) , can he enter paradise after he has spent some time in paradise?
2. If we are saved by Grace through Faith , does purgatory NOT negate the finished work of Christ?
Eph 2:8-9:
"For by grace are you saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast."

FxMasterz:
That's how they do. They'll disappear from the thread and still enter the next mosque to keep worshipping the false god.

Mohammed would marry Mary the mother of Jesus in heaven? Chai!!

Why is it that Mohammed's entire thoughts and expectations about heaven are sex, women, marriage and nothing more?

There is virtually no relationship between Muslims and Allah in the Islamic paradise.

Ask them:
Apart from the day of Judgement when Allah will show his shin to the Muslims after appearing in a form they don't know, what would be the relationship of Muslims with Allah?

NOTHING!

All there is SEX, WOMEN, DRINK and Sleeping on Green Persian Bed and Pillow!


Delusion is when a DECEIVED refuse to believe that he is scammed even when presented with overwhelming EVIDENCE!


If the meaning of AntiChrist is INSTEAD of Christ, then Mohammed is an AntiChrist!

I want to ask these two questions:
I have presented TWO different sources of this same aspiration of Mohammed to Marry Mary the Mother of Jesus.
1. Is Al-Suyiti Related to Ibn Kathir ?
2. Did the same fabricators smuggle the texts into these two references?




HERE IS WHAT MOHAMMED SAID:
1. In the Book of Ibn Kathir, Qisas al-Anbiya, it is reported that Mohammed said:

"The Messenger of God ... said, ‘God married me in paradise to Mary the daughter of 'Imran and to the wife of Pharaoh and the sister of Moses.’"



2. The hadith of Al-Siyuti says the same thing

Al-Siyuti (6/395)
Muhammad said, “In heaven, Mary mother of Jesus, will be one of my wives.”






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FxMasterz:
Na wá o.

That one na Prophet?

Na spiritual 419 person Mohammed be while Islam is the cult to fund his live style and oil his deception.

You will notice how Muslims have completely disappeared from this thread.

It's a hight of wishful thinking for Mohammed to dream of marrying Mary, mother of Christ in heaven

DeepSight:
If you really want to have a huge laugh about Islam, you should take a look here -

https://www.nairaland.com/524918/muhammed-teachings-shaitan-satan-just

.

If Mohammed could with ease overcome satan as presented, how come he was under the spell of black magic for almost ONE whole year?

DeepSight:
And in your spare time, watch the videos here -

https://www.youtube.com/@NabiAsli1

Thanks bro,!

FxMasterz:
@the bolded. I don't just understand.

-his killings and murders are justified
-his Adultery is justified
-his scientific errors are explained away
-

Etc.

DeepSight:
I am fully aware of the time differential - and I would have thought that you would have framed your poser with that as the key question, rather than wondering about the difference between a daughter and a sister and a wife.

If I was you, I would simply have pointed at the time differential and left it at that. The question of daughter and sister and wife is neither here nor there. As I said, they could well be references to different people.

Also you should be careful about lineages because they can skip erratically between the lineage of fathers and that of mothers. Jesus is called Son of David for example, notwithstanding being generations away from David - and not being the biological son of Joseph!

I actually didn't want to digress into the argument of the misconception between Mary and Miriam. I only wanted to focus on the tale of Mohammed getting married to Mary the mother of Jesus.

The Question:
3. How can you explain from Islamic Sources the fact that Mary is both the Sister of Aaron/Moses and also the Daughter of Imran the father of Moses/Aaron?



Looks mundane, however it forces Muslims to reconcile Mary mother of Jesus and Mary the Sister of Aaron according to the Hadith which says:
"The Messenger of God ... said, ‘God married me in paradise to Mary the daughter of 'Imran and to the wife of Pharaoh and the sister of Moses.’"



Their answer will make sense only in two conditions
1. The three potential wives of Mohammed are ALL different (three people)
2. The three potential wives of Mohammed is essentially ONE person.

Unfortunately, ether way, they still run into a huge problem.

DeepSight:
If you really want to have a huge laugh about Islam, you should take a look here -

https://www.nairaland.com/524918/muhammed-teachings-shaitan-satan-just

.

Okay, I'll look at the link

sonmvayina:
That sound like 3 to me...

How is it 1?

You see how confusing it is..

To the blind, such is confusing because they expect a God that is so simple to cage in their box.

Aisha Buhari found it confusing too that Her husband Mohamadu Buhari is also the President of Nigeria and is also the Commander in chief of the Nigerian Armed forces. It's so confusing can't you see!?

FxMasterz:
Hmm.

In Spite of the exposures, some Muslims still don't care for their souls.

Islam had been a tool Mohammed had used to brainwash Muslims. The more the lies of Islam are exposed, the more they clutch on to it.

It beats my imagination when all the atrocities of Mohammed are ascribed to him as righteousness!

DeepSight:
I can't see how it is impossible for her to be all three of these.

I also can't see how it is impossible that these are references to three different people.

I am just pointing something out, I trust you know that I do not subscribe to either the Christian or Islamic narrative.

I know you subscribe to neither: however you seem to be completely IGNORANT of Islam.

Mary the Mother of Jesus CANNOT be the Sister of Aaron or Daughter of Imran because they lived at least 1200 years apart.
Mary is NOT even from the tribe of Levi which is the tribe of Moses and Aaron

DeepSight:
Are you sure two are the same. Can Pharaoh not have more than one sister.

Is Mary the Daughter of Imran?
Is Mary the Sister of Aaron and Moses?
Is Mary the Wife of Pharaoh?

These are the Questions

DeepSight:
But TenQ - is the daughter of my Father not my sister?
What is the contradiction between Mary being the daughter of Imran (father of Moses and Aaron) and also being sister to Moses and Aaron?
Surely, your father's daughter is your sister, or am I missing something here?

You are missing NOTHING o!

The Quote was:
In the Book of Ibn Kathir, Qisas al-Anbiya, Mohammed said:
"The Messenger of God ... said, ‘God married me in paradise to Mary the daughter of 'Imran and to the wife of Pharaoh and the sister of Moses.’"

Three people were mentioned: But Two are the same. Are these two people different.

Only Mohammed can answer that !

This is resolved ONLY on the condition that
if Mary is ALSO the Wife of Pharaoh!




Is Mary the Wife of Pharaoh?