I am jealous of your prophet because he made islam a family business.
Sunan Abi Dawud 4284 Book 38, Hadith 6 Book 37, Hadith 4271
The Prophet said: The Mahdi will be of my family, of the descendants of Fatimah. Abdullah ibn Ja'far said: I heard AbulMalih praising Ali ibn Nufayl and describing his good qualities.
Part of the reason allah loves Mohammed so much was that when Jubril dictated the verses of grownup men suckling the breast of a woman ten times , Allah had to send a tame sheep to abrogate the verse so as no to cause embodiment for Mohammed.
My only problem was that Mohammed claimed that if the words he is speaking were not of Allah, Allah will CUT OFF his aorta. Unfortunately, it looks like Allah finally cut off Mohammed's aorta after he almost eat poison for a Jewish woman.
Not withstanding , it is a conclusive truth that Mohammed is the Messanger of Allah who is the BEST of the creators AND One of (the gods)
Sixfiguresmart: I notice that they have put your account on block alert the way they did mine. haha These guys are snowflakes. They cannot handle a pint of what they give others. I cannot post comments. You can imagine that I am open to comment and post on other sections but the religious sections. Is like they give me 5 minutes per week. haha but we shall prevail. It is one Nigeria and we must live together haha.
antichristian, can you tell me if there will be another prophet after mohammed before the world ends? Also, tell me if islam is a family business of not. Lastly, tell me if there will be another DELIVERER
Sunan Abi Dawud: Hadith 4283 The Prophet said: If only one day of this time (world) remained, Allah would raise up a man from my family who would fill this earth with justice as it has been filled with oppression.
Why are you insulting the GREATEST prophet in the Universe. Is it because he was covetous of his adopted son's wife? Or is it because he kisses the black stone shaped like a female private part? Mohammed is the greatest prophet because he and Allah are synonymous with each other, after all, the Qur'an is the WoRDS of a honoured Messanger? Allah loves Mohammed more than the other prophets so that he indulges Mohammed to be able to do what normal righteous humans cannot do!
Do you know that any woman can volunteer herself for sex with the greatest prophet and it would be righteousness?
You must be jealous of our great prophet (SAW).
Antichristian chooses his fights carefully, he is most likely not going to respond to your post. Your lawyer friend may come in and speak about every other things with adequate dose of lies and Strawmans except the topic at hand.
LegalWolf: To be honest, I think I am feeling sleepy now but cannot wait till tomorrow to continue. PLEASE DO NOT CONSIDER THIS POST AS A RESPONSE TO YOUR THREE OUT OF FOUR AS I WILL GIVE A MORE DETAILED RESPONSE LATER TODAY!
On this platform nairaland, I will go to every length to show that you are a liar. YOU NEED TO REMEMBER THAT FAILURE TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION IS NOT PROOF THAT I AM LYING . I have just considered your question unreasonable or irrelevant to the conversation. A lie as we understand it is deliberate falsehood and it requires a positive step. That is my understand as defined here [link: https://www.dictionary.com/browse/lie]. And I repeat, and which has been confirmed in your four page ramblings, I have never uttered an untrue statement. All I do if I do not see a need to answer a question is to ignore and when you call me out for failing to answer your questions, sometimes I tell you that that 'is not in issue/dispute' or using similar words.
AGAIN TENQ, YOU HAVE FAILED TO PROVE I LIED AND YHWH BEARS ME WITNESS. A LIE INVOLVES INTENTIONAL FALSEHOOD. SILENCE IN NOT ANSWERING YOUR QUESTIONS CANNEVER BE A LIE. BUT YOU LIED TENQ. YOU TOLD UNTRUE FALSEHOOD AND I WILL GO TO THE END OF THE EARTH TO TELL THE WORLD THIS.
I have proved that you are a COMPREHENSIVE LIAR! Like Islam always using Strawman Arguments and Lies!
LegalWolf: Excellent Points regarding the types of ban. I have suspected that as I have gotten a couple bans (both total and partial). Anyways, thank you for teaching me what I know before,
Now let us go to the meat of the conversation. This is where things get interesting. This is your post:
I noted that Allah calls Jews and Christians people of the BOOK (singular), meaning that their books were unique to them which would not have been if the books were lost.
And I asked(as evidence): What is the name of the book given to Suleiman?
Your response ignored even the last question of the name of the book of Suleiman.
Can you not see the logical fallacy of your claim. Let me restate it as follows: - Allah calls Jews and Christians people of the BOOK (singular) [premise one] - meaning that their books were unique to them which would not have been if the books were lost. [is that a conclusion??]
TenQ which University did you finish from I am genuinely curious. What course did you study because this is getting laughable. How would draw such a conclusion from that post? Or did I wrongly assume that is a premise. Read my lips 'No sane human will ever draw such a conclusion
I did not respond to your post because I think there was no need to. As you rightly claimed in the same post you are citing you said ' Your aim was to find out whether the Book of John is book of divine creation or any of the books of the New Testament. on Oct 25 3;51 p.m. These were your words not mine. As you rightly said, if my aim was to find out whether the book of John is of divine creation, I do not see the reason why I need to answer your question and that was why I was telling you to remember the context of our conversation!
TENQ, YOU HAVE FAILED TO PROVE I LIED AND YHWH BEARS ME WITNESS. A LIE INVOLVES INTENTIONAL FALSEHOOD. SILENCE IN NOT ANSWERING YOUR QUESTIONS CANNEVER BE A LIE. BUT YOU LIED TENQ. YOU TOLD UNTRUE FALSEHOOD AND I WILL GO TO THE END OF THE EARTH TO TELL THE WORLD THIS.
I have made some serious allegations against you of lying, therefore QUOTE me Please! It is not in the gymnastics of words, it is in the presentation of evidence!
LegalWolf: TenQ this is QUESTION ONE . The highlight was the question in the last paragraph was asking you in my previous post that you have not provided an answer to!. TenQ is this not the evidence you wanted?
And this part suffices for my QUESTION THREE . I do not need to quote the page number when I can quote the post TenQ. I can see the fear in you and the willingness to clutch on to straws by writing four diversionary epistles to avoid the simple question of providing your references. You know you are losing, you have been caught to have alleged as FACT WHAT is untrue.
TENQ, YOU HAVE FAILED TO PROVE I LIED AND YHWH BEARS ME WITNESS. A LIE INVOLVES INTENTIONAL FALSEHOOD. SILENCE IN NOT ANSWERING YOUR QUESTIONS CAN NEVER BE A LIE! BUT YOU LIED TENQ. YOU TOLD UNTRUE FALSEHOOD BY ASSERTING THEM AS 'FACT' AND I WILL GO TO THE END OF THE EARTH TO TELL THE WORLD THIS.
It is NOT by repeating whether I have failed or not! Quote me properly, I DARE YOU LIAR!
Is it not possible for you to state your points without lying!? SMH!!
LegalWolf: You are online. Very good so this can go on forever. I so much miss you TenQ, such a pretty boy. Aren't you Now Let me look for my posts and Quote you on Question 1 and 3. I will know that has been dealt with. Then I will deal with Parts 1, 3 and 4. Is that okay with you.
Don't worry, it will be a long and beautiful ride!
Mr Liar, All you need to do is to quote me and dont forget timeline so that we can follow progressions.
Since this is the second of part four, I will be waiting till you finish all your two other long epistle...Like our beloved Apostle Paul, Epistles to who this time... TenQ you are becoming incoherent. In order to save face and you are losing it. Calm down. This is not the first time someone has been discredited and showed to be liar. I do it often times in Court and you will survive (just that your integrity will be with the dogs and shredded to pieces) . The joy of every trial lawyer is sensing that the other counsel's witness is lying. We always have a field and today is my day
REMEMBER THAT WE ARE AFTER THE TRUTH AND NOT TO WIN AN ARGUMENT. YAHWEH BEARS ME WITNESS THAT MY UNDERSTANDING OF YEHOSHUA IN JOHN 8:44 IS THAT CERTAIN LIARS LIKE YOU ARE OF THE DEVIL. .
As I understand you, the substance of your post is this:
QUESTION ONE You quoted me as saying 'My very simple question is still begging for an explanation'... and further challenged me to ' to provide evidence that you asked me this question'? LOL! I will quote you to the post I said it and answer it as Question One. If I remember clearly, that post was a rejoinder to answer I provided and I told you to consider both as one. Don't worry, I will check and provide you with the response!
QUESTION TWO TenQ are you on pills? You are not getting intelligent with your response. This is my post which you quoted 'I once told you that my personal preference is that Injil should be transacribed as Gospel and not Bible and you asked me to provide a source." I copied my post from Nairaland verbatim or do you think I did not see the mistake in transcribed that I erroneously spelt? I wanted to be HONEST and TRUTHFUL TenQ.
You have asked me 'to provide evidence that you asked me this question else you are the biggest LIAR on Nairaland . I did not ask you a question TenQ. Maybe the mistake may have been from me omitting to put punctuation marks. But a mor0n should be able to tell that this is me simply telling you that you asked me to do something and I have done it. These are my sources. Is it that hard to tell? Should I still provide evidence again?
QUESTION THREE
Your ad hominem is forgiven TenQ . Today is Friday and we keep it haram you get. So we forgive you. On when I asked you question this exact question which warrants you conceding, I will look for the post and quote is as Question Three. Is that fine?
QUESTION FOUR Barrister TenQ, your parent spent quite a fortune sending you to a State University unlike us that went to cheap Federal Universities in the North. They ought to get value for their money and this clearly removes every doubt that they did.
TenQ, in logic and/or critical thinking (depending on which you chose), there is something called premise and conclusion. . Just to teach you in case your school failed in that purpose, a premise is a plank upon which an argument is built. It could come in form of evidence or assumption while conclusion is ultimately what the argument is trying to prove. It follows from the conclusion.
Within the context of our conversation, what appeared to my mind is that you was trying to prove the book of John is a creation of divine being. Why do I hold that view? The most immediate conversation we were having was whether the book of John was a divine creation or not. You were able to make claims 1 and 2 (which you have never disputed to be valid premises). In that context, it is logical to draw from the premises 1 and 2 you agreed to and in the context of our conversation that point three is your conclusion.
Supposing that I was even wrong, even though I may be of the view that you WAS lying through your teeth, when you 'corrected' me that point three is NOT your conclusion but a question, did I not amend my question in the subsequent post? Or do you want me to bring evidence to that.
I HAVE TAKEN THE PAINS TO SHOW THAT I HAVE BEEN HONEST WITH YOU AND YHWH BEARS ME WITNESS. TENQ, YOUR DESTRUCTION WOULD BE MORE BRUTAL THAN 6FIGSMART IF YOU ARE UNABLE TO SHOW ME EVIDENCE THAT INJIL IS A TERM THAT REFERS TO THE FIRST FOUR BOOKS OF ARAB CHRISTIANS
For the first time I encountered the nairaland limit of length of post. Thanks to you for the knowledge. I HAD TO BURST YOUR CHRONIC LIES BEFORE YOUR FACE.
It took FOUR separate Posts (to avoid the limit).
I dare you to your FACE, prove me WRONG!
LIAR!
LegalWolf: TenQ yhwh bears me witness that you ostensibly lied that Injil is a term used by Arab Christians for the first four books of their bible called Gospel (not gospels) . I have adduced evidence from Cambridge and Arabic bible that testified it is one books and is not a term for the first four books (but each of the four books) of the Bible. All you need do is redeem yourself.
The implication is serious. IF IT HAS BEEN DEMONSTRATED THAT YOU LIED IN ORDER TO TRANSLATE A WORD TO SUIT YOUR NARRATIVE, WHAT GIVES US THE ASSURANCE THAT YOU WOULD NOT LIE TO TRANSLATE A SENTENCE
Secular Websites: The four gospels in Arabic The four gospels in Arabic, Add Ms 11856 This remarkable manuscript is very different to what the casual glance might suggest: despite the Islamic style carpet page, and the Arabic script, this is a Christian document – an account of the Gospels – made in Palestine in the 14th century. https://www.bl.uk/collection-items/the-four-gospels-in-arabic
When were the Gospels translated into Arabic? The earliest manuscript copies of the Four Gospels in Arabic date from the late eighth or ninth centuries, and were made from a variety of languages, including Syriac, Greek and Coptic. Perhaps the oldest dated Arabic copy of the Four Gospels is in the library at Mount Sinai, dated 859. The Harley Trilingual Psalter, from mid-12th century Sicily, contains an Arabic translation of the Psalms made a century earlier. https://www.bl.uk/collection-items/the-four-gospels-in-arabic
What did Allah Say: Quran Quran 7:157 “Those who follow the messenger, the unlettered Prophet, whom they find mentioned in their own (scriptures),- in the law and the Gospel;
At least as of the time of Mohammed, Allah recognised that Mohammed's name is found mentioned in the scriptures of the Jews and Christians How did Waraqa know this same scripture?
Your Hadiths: Sahih Bukhari Volume 4, Book 55, Hadith Number 605. SAHIH BUKHARI BOOK 55. PROPHETS Narated By ‘Aisha : The Prophet returned to Khadija while his heart was beating rapidly. She took him to Waraqa bin Naufal who was a Christian convert and used to read the Gospels in Arabic Waraqa asked (the Prophet), “What do you see?” When he told him, Waraqa said, “That is the same angel whom Allah sent to the Prophet) Moses. Should I live till you receive the Divine Message, I will support you strongly.” https://hadithcollection.com/sahihbukhari/sahih-bukhari-book-55-prophets/sahih-bukhari-volume-004-book-055-hadith-number-605
Sahih Bukhari Volume 9, Book 87, Hadith Number 111. ... Khadija then accompanied him to (her cousin) Waraqa bin Naufal bin Asad bin ‘Abdul ‘Uzza bin Qusai. Waraqa was the son of her paternal uncle, i.e., her father’s brother, who during the Pre-Islamic Period became a Christian and used to write the Arabic writing and used to write of the Gospels in Arabic as much as Allah wished him to write. He was an old man and had lost his eyesight. Khadija said to him, “O my cousin! Listen to the story of your nephew.” Waraqa asked, “O my nephew! What have you seen?” The Prophet described whatever he had seen.
When your lies were getting close to being outrightly irritating, I posted this below to set the record straight within one POST!
TenQ: Islam and LIES is indistinguishable! The more reason you will not answer my question. It is NOT by noisemaking. It is about logically defending your position which is exposed with simple questions. FACTS -The use of the word Injeel predates Islam. -The word Injeel is STRICLY used by the Arab Christians as a Term for the first four books of their bible called Gospel (wherein is a collection of the life and ministry of Jesus Christ). -According to the Arab Christians, their Injeel is translated from the word Gospel which mean “Good News”! Similarly, the Jews also have the first five books of the Tanakh called the Torah containing the Life and Ministry of the Patriarchs, the history of Gods relation with the tribe of Israel, the Laws of Moses and the behaviour of the actors therein. -According to Islam (copying the name from the Arab Christians), the term Injeel is a SINGLE book purportedly given to Jesus. -The Injeel is the Book (singular as used by Allah) of the Christians as Mohammed NEVER insinuated that the Christians use other scriptures. This is exactly the same way Allah calls ALL the book of the Jews just by two books Torah and Zabur.
The above noise is what you get when you allow Muslims to escape answering Questions that would have solved major problems of comprehension along the road.
LegalWolf, I INSIST that you answer ALL these questions one by one. ABOUT THE INJEEL 1. Is it true or is it false that the term Injeel predates Islam? 2. If the Arab Christians call the first four books of their Bible (Mathew, Mark, Luke and John) Injeel (Gospel) and the word Injeel predates Islam, what evidence do you have that Mohammed use the Word Injeel to mean something different from the usage of the Arab Christians? 3. Do Muslims have any shred of evidence to show that Jesus wrote any book? (Jesus did ministry for only THREE years). If He did, where is it or its remaining fragments? 4. Does Allah know if the people of the book have more than three books namely Taurat, Zabur and Injeel as part of their scripture? 5. If the Books of the Jews and Christians were ALREADY corrupted, why would Allah instruct Mohammed to confirm the Quran from the People of the Book. 6. If the Books of the Jews and Christians were just THREE, why would Allah instruct Mohammed to confirm the Quran from the People of the Book and not specify to them which book? 7. What name did your prophet call the BOOK of the Christians? Did he have any other name apart from Injeel and What name does the Qur'an give to the books of Moses?
ABOUT THE BIBLE 8. I gave a challenge: Can you find me Islamic/Muslim Sources that EMPHATICALLY DENY that Muhammad is Prophesied by Jesus from the book of John. Failure to find examples is a prove that you tell a lie with your answer. 9. I then followed up with a PERSONAL Question to You LegalWolf Allah says in the Quran that Mohammed's name is found written in the books of the Jews and Christians (Quran 7:157) a. Is this a TRUE or FALSE statement by Allah? b. If the above is TRUE, LegalWolf, where can the reference to Mohammed be found in the books of the Christians? c. If the Mohammed is NOT Referenced by the books of the Christians, did Allah tell a lie?
10. Is the Torah just one BOOK or a compilation of Books? My Questions again: 11. Can you prove that the Scriptures Allah was referring to in the Quran had gone into extinction or Allah believed that the books were still with the Jews and Christians? 12. If the books were lost, why would Allah himself give the title "People of the Book" to Jews and Christians? 13. Did your prophet Muhammad make judgement of stoning an adulteress by asking the Jews to refer to the Torah (remember when a Jew covered the word stoning in the Torah...LOL!)?
All these Questions are NOT new: but you avoided answering. Make the answers short please!
Mr LegalWolf, who is the CHRONIC LIAR here?
I will copy Fawaz050 who you shamelessly tried to convince not to translate a simple Arabic script into English to see who is the CHRONIC LIAR!
I HAVE CHALLENGED YOU OPENLY HERE, IF I SPEAK LIES, QUOTE ME! Islam and LIES is indistinguishable! The more reason you will not answer my question. It is NOT by noisemaking. It is about logically defending your position which is exposed with simple questions.
LEGALWOLF, I PUT IT TO YOU AGAIN, YOU ARE A SHAMELESS UNREPENTANT CHRONIC LIAR!
I am ashamed for you. A LIAR from the Religion of LIES!
I shake my head.
This is the second time I am BURSTING your lies here on Nairaland! Your case may be after all irredeemable
Remember, I have walked you from PAGE 11 through PAGE 12 and in just one post, we find several LIES to which I've Challenged YOU to DENY of you can. (Just quote and give the Nairaland PAGE as evidence). The Yorubas will call you OPURO! Your lies can wake up the dead!
Still on page 12, my response corrected your Taqqiyya as your purported CONCLUSION of YOUR PREMISE 1 and PREMISE 2 below (WITHIN your OWN POST) to tell you that I see through your Deception!
3. Therefore, the Book of John is a creation of a divine being
Taqqiyya as usual: I said why would Muslims look for fulfilment of prophecies about Mohammed in a book of the Christians they consider as NOT divine?. Would you Muslims look for prophecies about Mohammed or Islam in the works of Shakespear!? (Conclusion).
Tell me that I DID NOT CORRECT your LIES!?
You then responded with a barrage of Strawman Lies below
LegalWolf: ........ Answer my questions HONESTLY and TRUTHFULLY as follows:
- Having cited two dictionaries which directly translates Injil to the Gospel and not the Bible, DO YOU CONDEDE THAT THE GOSPEL ACCORDING TO AUTHORITIVE SOURCES IS CORRECTLY TRANSLATED AS INJIL AND NOT THE COMPEDIUM CALLED BIBLE?
- Again, remember you are for the Truth and not to win an argument. If you doubt that, can you prove that in Arabic, Injil is the ONLY term used to refer to the Bible and no other.
- let me put it in another way, DO YOU AGREE THAT THE 'GOSPEL' ACCORDING TO MARK, MATTHEW, JOHN ETC... IS TRANSLATED IN ARABIC BIBLES AS INJIL? . If not, what other term apart from Injil do Christians use to translate 'Gospel' in Arabic Bible?
Remember, my good friend TenQ, that this is your claim: 1. Quran 7:157 says the unlettered prophet is mentioned in the Gospel. (Premise 1) 2. You claim that Muslims look up to the book of John as evidence that the Prophet was mentioned in the Gospel (Premise 2) 3. Therefore, the Book of John is a creation of a divine being (Conclusion).
Highlighted in RED: You said:
DO YOU CONDEDE THAT THE GOSPEL ACCORDING TO AUTHORITIVE SOURCES IS CORRECTLY TRANSLATED AS INJIL AND NOT THE COMPEDIUM CALLED BIBLE?
1. You repeated the Word Concedeas if YOU were the one who asked me the Question AND that I should concede that INJEEL is Not the Compendium called the Bible.
Please Where did I CLAIM that the Injeel is the Bible? (The worst I could do was to claim that Mohammed does not know any other book of the Christians other than Injeel and therefore Injeel to Mohammed would be the Book of the Christians). Please provide the EVIDENCE where TenQ claimed that Injeel was the Bible or forever admit that you are a chronic LIAR!
I then posted
TenQ: Your incoherence coupled with the length of your pitch is disturbing. I almost cannot feel the direction of your pitch. I will bring out two of your questions
1.” DO YOU CONDEDE THAT THE GOSPEL ACCORDING TO AUTHORITIVE SOURCES IS CORRECTLY TRANSLATED AS INJIL AND NOT THE COMPEDIUM CALLED BIBLE?”
I asked you a question and you turn it around without answering the question as if I was implying that Gospel doesn't translate into Injeel. If you have answered the question, I would have asked you what does Gospel mean? For Injeel is meaningless without the meaning of Gospel. Therefore, I asked again, what does Injeel mean?
Why do you keep up repeating a LIE as my conclusion in your quote below (even after I corrected you)?
The best Muslims do is to set up a Strawman argument. SMH!
1. Did your prophet know that Jesus wrote no books? 2. If you claim that Jesus wrote a book, what is your evidence? 3. What name did your prophet call the book of the Christians? Did he have any other name apart from Injeel?
The ignorance of your prophet made him not to know that Christian Bible contain several books.
Mohammed in his ignorance called the book of the Christians Injeel just as he didn't know that the Torah consists of FIVE separate books!
I can't help Mohammed's ignorance. Your Strawman argument cannot work on me!
YOUR OTHER POST: You should ask Mohammed: "Which book was the Christians of his time used"!
A confused Illiterate was Mohammed, how could he know better: no wonder!
He is best at SEDUCING the Wife of His adopted Son!
Using your wonderful logic: Mohammed is found written in the Torah and the Gospels, yet they have found Mohamedeen in book the Songs of Solomon (who h was earlier ascribed to be pornographic)!
Can you TRUTHFULLY say that the people of the book (singular) have ONLY THREE Books as Scriptures Injeel, Zabur and Taurat ? I won't be surprised if you tell a lie or ignore the question as usual!
Note my quotes "If you have answered the question, I would have asked you what does Gospel mean?For Injeel is meaningless without the meaning of Gospel. Therefore, I asked again, what does Injeel mean?"
Did I not accuse you of repeating a Strawman Lie against me? Why do you keep up repeating a LIE as my conclusion in your quote below (even after I corrected you)?
I then made this claim: "The ignorance of your prophet made him not to know that Christian Bible contain several books.
Mohammed in his ignorance called the book of the Christians Injeel just as he didn't know that the Torah consists of FIVE separate books!
I can't help Mohammed's ignorance. Your Strawman argument cannot work on me!"
Highlighted in BLUE: You Said:
If you doubt that, can you prove that in Arabic, Injil is the ONLY term used to refer to the Bible and no other.
Where did TenQ EVER claimed that Injeel is the ONLY term used to refer to the bible and no other!? If I didn't claim a point, why would I be required to prove it? This is another classic example of a Strawman argument! A LIE presented as representing the truth from the opposition so that you can have something easy to fight with? [b]Give me a quote or forever admit that just as Allah, you are one of the best Deciever
Highlighted in Yellow: You repeated your lies of my purported CONCLUSION number 3 which I had corrected you for on my last post to you.
If you didn't repeat this LIE, give me a QUOTE as Evidence!
Your response was so weak and lame that : I then asked you these Questions (for which you've given no response till now)
Can you TRUTHFULLY say that the people of the book (singular) have ONLY THREE Books as Scriptures Injeel, Zabur and Taurat ? I won't be surprised if you tell a lie or ignore the question as usual!
NOTE HOW MANY LIES you have spoken within a short space of TIME!?
You responded with lots of COPY-PASTE repeating your lies except that you finally corrected ITEM 3 of the Premise 1 and 2 to read exactly what my item 3 was!
Remember, my good friend TenQ, that this is your claim: 1. Quran 7:157 says the unlettered prophet is mentioned in the Gospel. (Premise 1) 2. You claim that Muslims look up to the book of John as evidence that the Prophet was mentioned in the Gospel (Premise 2) 3. Therefore, why would Muslims look for fulfilment of prophecies about Mohammed in a book of the Christians they consider as NOT divine?. Would you Muslims look for prophecies about Mohammed or Islam in the works of Shakespear!? (Conclusion). [highlight]
You finally ADMITTED to LIEING in the Number 3. Why were you LIEING in the First Place?
kufre2010: Putin is a man. Any time America want to wage war with another country they must invite NATO, European Union including some Asians like South Korea, Japan and other allias. Even to support Ukraine they can't stand alone but here is Russia standing alone to defeat all of them.
The question is who is stronger and who is weaker?
America that never fight war alone or Russia that stand alone to defeat all of them?
Even as America went to Iraq, Afghanistan, Lybia etc they couldn't and can never go alone. When American Allies withdraw from supporting American against Taliban in Afghanistan, the American siting defeat ran away from Afghanistan and allow Taliban overwhelm thier proxy Government
Wisdom is certainly better than strength.
Small Ukraine has used her asset of manpower, diplomacy and alliances to fight BIG Russia to a stand-still.
Putin wishes he can end this war, but shame and ego will not allow until more people die needlessly!
Truthshscrazy: Nice one! Not quite Easily tho. It still presents its own unique set of Economic challenges; Every BDC operator in Nigeria has a Weekly Limit pegged at about $20k only in one week presently. . That’s an $80k maximum capacity(~56million Naira) in Four Weeks/lMonth /30days. 7billion naira is a whooping $10million dollars.
Just one politician alone can possibly have over 7billion hidden somewhere. One shudders to think of the short limited time period of about 100days only to suddenly get rid of so much liquidity of over 2.5Trillion.
Over 80 per cent of the currency in circulation is outside bank vaults & unaccounted for according to statistics of CBN . As at September 2022, a total of N3.2 trillion was in circulation, of which N2.73 trillion Naira was outside the vaults of the banks,
Na unwise Thief dey store Embezzled money in Naira form sha instead of dollars.They gonna be the ones stressing so much more right now running from Aboki to Aboki ; stomping the Black market as they cannot officially go to Bank to simply Deposit Large unbelievable mouth watering sums of Naira embezzled & not commensurate with their wages; without attracting the EFCC attention.
Anyway January 15th is still over two months away!!! . With so much Naira liquidity of over 2.5Trillion chasing & scampering for Limited Available Dollar, ln Addition to already existing high demand, l pray the Naira does not get devalued further against the dollar, as Hordes of criminals begin fighting to convert their monies to dollars over 100days period.
I agree with you mostly!
Speaking about the CBN limitations to the BDC, don't forget that for some time now, they have been sourcing their dollars outside the CBN.
Even when they were sourcing dollars officially from the CBN, a single BDC operator may have up to 10 -15 different licenses.
Occasionally you find situations when almost all the dollars in the Wuse BDC market is mopped up because some big men came with large dollar demands.
The policy will certainly drive the Naira value down wrt the dollar, euro and pound sterling. I will not even be surprised if people buy Chinese currency just to evade taking monies to the bank.
The CBN had always acted as if adjusting monetary policies would strengthen the Naira against the dollar. The economics is so simple that they miss it. They speak big economic grammar to no effect.
In the case of Nigeria: government is the number One killer of the Naira. They made sure Nigerians are IMPORT dependent because they make most of their Naira from duties and sales of dollars rather than income and company taxes. Is there any nation that is import dependent but has a strong currency?
I hope the dollar doesn't hit $1 to N900 by January 1, 2023
My very simple question is still begging for an explanation I once told you that my personal preference is that Injil should be transacribed as Gospel and not Bible and you asked me to provide a source. Ran through a couple of Arabic Dictionaries here:
In fact, I just got to learn what Bible is called in Arabic (I used to erroneously call the fraudulent and dubious NT canon for Injil ). So there you have your answer!
Remember, you claim you do not want to win an argument and you are more concerned with the truth. At least, you have conceded I was truthful when I gave a direct translation of Q7:157 and you even said you would never hire a lawyer like me because it is automatic loss. Maybe because I stick faithfully to my profession of being an Officer of the Court who instinctively seek the truth always.
Now as you will remember in Proverbs 12:22 which admonish that a lying lip is an abomination to the Lord. And your quest is for Truth and not winning an argument. I ask as follows:
- Having cited two dictionaries which directly translates Injil to the Gospel and not the Bible, DO YOU CONDEDE THAT THE GOSPEL ACCORDING TO AUTHORITIVE SOURCES IS CORRECTLY TRANSLATED AS INJIL AND NOT THE COMPEDIUM CALLED BIBLE?
- Again, remember you are for the Truth and not to win an argument. If you doubt that, can you prove that in Arabic, Injil is the ONLY term used to refer to the Bible and no other.
- Finally, my question begs for an answer which you have not even attempted to answer is reproduced below:
Remember, my good friend TenQ, that this is your claim: 1. Quran 7:157 says the unlettered prophet is mentioned in the Gospel. (Premise 1) 2. You Claim that Muslims look up to the book of John as evidence that the Prophet was mentioned in the Gospel (Premise 2) 3. Therefore, the Book of John is a creation of a divine being (Conclusion).
It goes without saying that If there is another gospel which Muslims look up to as evidence that the Prophet was mentioned in it, that Gospel should also qualify as a word of God. This is me simply restating your logic. So to ask again, BASED ON YOUR LOGIC AND PREMISE stated above, ARE YOU PREPARED TO ALSO ACCEPT AN APOCRYPAL GOSPEL WHICH FULFILS YOUR SECOND PREMISE AS A BOOK OF GOD'?
FIRST OF THE MAJOR BLATANT LIES by LegalWolf. 1. You claimed that: "My very simple question is still begging for an explanation If your very first Question is STILL begging for explanation... I challenge you to provide evidence that you asked me this question else you have the honour of being Shaitan's assistant in the production of LIES! 2. You claimed that: "I once told you that my personal preference is that Injil should be transacribed as Gospel and not Bible and you asked me to provide a source." I challenge you to provide evidence that you asked me this question else you are the biggest LIAR on Nairaland.
3. As if the level of comprehension of the English language is POOR, you made a statement!
DO YOU CONDEDE THAT THE GOSPEL ACCORDING TO AUTHORITIVE SOURCES IS CORRECTLY TRANSLATED AS INJIL AND NOT THE COMPEDIUM CALLED BIBLE?
When did you ask me a question that WARRANTED [b]my conceding to YOUR position? Can you quote the PAGE and Reference if you are NOT a LIAR?[/b]
As usual, you set up a Strawman: Quoting you Injil is the ONLY term used to refer to the Bible and no other.
Who is the LIAR here?
4. Then, you went on to another Strawman Argument by misrepresenting point 3 (which I corrected in my next post)
Remember, my good friend TenQ, that this is your claim: 1. Quran 7:157 says the unlettered prophet is mentioned in the Gospel. (Premise 1) 2. You Claim that Muslims look up to the book of John as evidence that the Prophet was mentioned in the Gospel (Premise 2) 3. Therefore, the Book of John is a creation of a divine being (Conclusion).
Can you Quote me when I presented your point 3 highlighted in RED?
Is your conclusion here NOT a blatant LIE!!? If it not, I challenge you to quote me! If you can't prove this conclusion you are the biggest Liar and son of your father satan!
I CHALLENGE YOU ONCE AGAIN TO PROVE YOUR ACCUSATIONS TO SHOW THAT YOU ARE OF THE TRUTH.
PART ONE OF FOUR I only decided to respond to your reverse psychology of slander to cover-up for your deficiency in tact, logic , truthful answers and SHAME due to the fact that the Qur'an has been shown to FAIL woefully and you Muslims have to PROTECT Allah and his Messenger from the revelation of the TRUTH .
Don't forget that this is NOT the first time you have done this kind of thing (Remember I busted you once because of this kind of lies).
REMEMBER OUR GOOD OLD FRIEND THAT WE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THE TRUTH AND NOT TO WIN AN ARGUMENT
I thought you were banned but I can see you posted something Can you recall that despicable, shameless and immoral friend of yours who used technicality to win a rape case. In your own understanding, he is not bothered about the truth. The TRUTH does not concern him but winning argument. In short he LIED TO WIN AN ARGUMENT. I find that despicable too and yhwh bears me witness to that.
There are several kinds of ban 1. TOTAL BAN (you are prevented from posting on ALL NL sections) 2. PARTIAL BAN (You are only prevented from posting on the section where your strike emanated from)
You will NOTE that You LegalWolf is the one who is AFRAID of the TRUTH otherwise, how can we account for the more than a DOZEN direct questions I asked you that you AVOIDED answering?
LegalWolf: Now the opportunity beckons on you to tell the world that you are different from your friend, notwithstanding birds of a feather flock together. Show the world THAT YOU ARE NOT A LIAR . Let the world know that you are after the Truth and Not win argument as you rightly said and to which agree. How would you do that. Very simple:
Okay! This might actually show that you LegalWolf is the one bending words to suit another purpose!
LegalWolf: - You have asked me for the meaning of 'Injeel' and whether it is understood as a book or compilation of books. Not just that. You told me to cite references.
- I took up challenge and I called Cambridge dictionary into the witness box and it translated it as 'one of the four books... . That implies it is a book. INNIT ?
- I called our beloved yhwh's book into the witness box and it clearly showed that injil is referred to as just one book. I even distinguished it with the Acts of Apostles and one of Apostle Paul's letter.
- Now YOU HAVE ALLEGED AS FACT THAT '...The word Injeel is STRICLY used by the Arab Christians as a Term for the first four books of their bible called Gospel and even followed it up with a question that 'If the Arab Christians call the first four books of their Bible (Mathew, Mark, Luke and John) Injeel (Gospel) ...
- Apparently, you have alleged that Arab Christians collectively call the first 4 books (Matthew, Mark, Lile and John) as Injeel not the plural form.
- ALL I ASK YOU IS A PIECE OF CREDIBLE EVIDENCE TO BACK-UP YOUR CLAIM. . Just one credible piece of evidence. If I had alleged without proof, you have been shouting Taqiya up and down. But here you are, lying through your teeth!
The first time I asked you this question was on page 11 of this thread on NL .
TenQ: .... By the way: 1. Is the Torah just one BOOK or a compilation of Books? 2. What does the word Injeel mean? Is it a book or a compilation of books? Please cite references
Your response to this post above COMPLETELY ignored the questions above (check it out) I responded with the post below citing the summary of my three witnesses and the fact that you ignored answering my question!
TenQ: When you totally deliberately ignore answering Questions, where do you think it will lead you? .. I think I can comfortably close my case with you.
Your aim was to find out whether the Book of John is book of divine creation or any of the books of the New Testament. ...
I even dared you to find just ONE Islamic source that deny this. All the personal questions I asked you concerning this you DELIBERATELY avoided answering.
Conclusion: If the book of John was not of Divine origin, why are Muslims looking for [b]Prophecies about Mohammed in it. Why not find Mohammed in Shakespeare's books?[/b]
2. ALLAH as SECOND WITNESS: -Allah himself said he makes no distinction between the books of the Jews and the Christians. -Allah affirmed that at least as of the time of Mohammed, the books were with the Jews and the Christians. The books were within their hands -Allah implored Mohammed to consult with the people of the book concerning revelations of the Qur'an. -Allah calls Jews and Christians people of the BOOK (singular), meaning that their books were unique to them which would not have been if the books were lost.
What is the name of the book given to Suleiman?
SMH!
I noted that Allah calls Jews and Christians people of the BOOK (singular), meaning that their books were unique to them which would not have been if the books were lost.
And I asked(as evidence): What is the name of the book given to Suleiman?
Your response ignored even the last question of the name of the book of Suleiman.
I repeated Question again in my next post.
TenQ: Is the book of John part of the books of the Christians?
The Question is 1. What name does the Qur'an give to the books of Moses? Is it a single book? NO! It is a Library of FIVE books. 2. What name does the Qur'an give to the books of the Christians? Injeel! But the Injeel is ALL the books of the Christians!
The fact that Mohammed is ignorant of the fact that the books of the Christians is a collection of Books just as he did not know that the Torah is a collection of FIVE books is the problem of you Muslims.
Check your Response (end of [b]page 11 [/b]whether you responded or not as usual).
LegalWolf: Fawaz050 Please ask TenQ on my behalf (quoting me) that why should you honestly translate the Arabic sentence when there appears to be irrefutable proof that TenQ has lied on a previous occasion? If he has lied to translate just one word in Arabic, what gives us the assurance the he would not lie in translating a sentence ? Was he HONEST when he translated Injeel to four books when it is one (because he knew the implication of his admission on the conclusion)? What evidence does he have for it?
He responds everyday BUT since I caught him lying, he has been quiet. You made me cite references and that challenged me to proof my assertion. As far as this forum is concerned, I will pursue you on every post to show that TENQ is a discredited liar not worthy to be engaged until you SHOW PROOF!
Are you AFRAID that Fawaz050 will see what was meant to be kept secret?
A harmless Arabic phrase (the language of Allah) is disturbing you!? Amazing!
How come you RAN AWAY from Answering the Question?
AGAIN
Can you please honestly translate this Arabic sentence?
Unfortunately, I received another ban less than 24 hours after coming out of one.
Your lies and ranting about me telling lies is UNFORTUNATE tactics to deviate from the CORE issues. If you truely feel I told you a LIE, Post My Quotes as a response to your Quotes.
I wonder why you think that volumes of words will free you from the quagmire you have fallen into.
RESPOND to the QUESTIONS if you are not of Shaitan!
You said said ALL these questions are not new. We have gone too far for you to be lying like our discredited, shameless and unapologetic liar friend that goes with the moniker sixfiguresmart. I engaged you specifically to show your hypocrisy (which I can still tolerate). But lying is just out of it. Point to where you have asked me question 1,2, 3 and 7 on this platform! All of them!
Just one and I will be waiting.
REMEMBER THAT WE BOTH ARE AFTER THE TRUTH AND NOT TO WIN AN ARGUMENT....ISN'T IT?
Now to your questions. All I see is utter mumbling and rumbling to accept the idi0cy of your logic and fallacy of your claims. The truth stares in the face and you want to avoid it. But you would not as far as I am alive.
FIRST LINE OF ARGUMENT
The takeaway from all I am about to say here is as follows: - Except in the post I am referring to, this is the FIRST TIME you are insinuating that the term Injeel predates Islam in our engagement. - The question you asked me were as follows ' ...What does the word Injeel mean? Is it a book or a compilation of books? Please cite references . '. I am quoting you verbatim!!!!!!!!!!!!!! yhwh bears me witness that I quoted you verbatim - And I took on the challenge by citing two online dictionaries which you can check that Injeel is translated as Gospel. - Not just that, I told you that the Cambridge Dictionary that I cited translated the arabic Injil (using their Arabic letters Alif Lam Alif Nun Jim and Lam) to Gospel. - Cambridge went further to state that it is "one of the four books in the Bible that tells the life of Jesus Christ...". (bolded by me). This is the link (https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english-arabic/gospel). - Have I answered your questions as you asked me? Have I cited my sources? Was I the one who wrote the Cambridge English Online Dictionary - Remember, our good friend TenQ, that I said the Gospel is understood as a book which cambridge my source has confirmed. And also remember that I said gospel is translated in Arabic bible as Injil. - Just to further destroy your point, take a look at the Gospel according to Matthew here [
- the point is: did you see injil in any of the compared? - Question being: was I the one who wrote the arabic bible online too? or are they not credible sources as well? - The final point being that does that not establish that gospel is a book and not a collection of book?
JUST TO PUT IT OUT THERE SO EVERYONE CAN SEE. YOU MADE A CLAIM AND CHALLENGED ME TO IT. I TOOK YOUR CHALLENGE AND I ACCEPTED IT LIKE EVERY HONEST AND TRUTHFUL MUSLIM WOULD DO. IT IS LEFT FOR YOU TO:
1. EITHER BRING EVIDENCE WHICH CONTRADICTS THE UNDERSTANDING THAT INJIL IS NOT GOSPEL IN ARABIC; AND IT MEANS MULTIPLE CANONS IN ARABIC OR
2. DISCEREDIT MY SOURCES/REFERENCES AS NOT BEING CREDIBLE ENOUGH.
BARRISTER TENQ, CAN YOU PLEASE CALL YAHWEH OR YEHOSHUA INTO THE WITNESS BOX AND LEAD EVIDENCE TO CONTRADICT LEGALWOLF'S ARGUMENT? LOL!
SECOND LINE OF ARGUMENT
This jointly addresses your 'facts' and 'about the injeel'. All you just said is mumbling and does not help your case Barrister TenQ. Let me reproduce the substance below:
- You assert that 'the word Injeel is STRICLY used by the Arab Christians as a Term for the first four books of their bible called Gospel (wherein is a collection of the life and ministry of Jesus Christ). . - My first question is: where is your proof for this. You asked me to cite references which I copiously did! Why making baseless assumption without evidence. Barrister TenQ, hope you know that he who asserts must prove. Or is your law now rusty?
- My second question is: are you in anyway insinuating that the first four books are collectively known as Injil by Arab Christians?
- If that is the case, are you attempting to say that Injil does not have a plural form in Arabic? This is not even theological question but a linguistic one. Please can you provide your answer so your position is clear in my head
THIRD LINE OF ARGUMENT
- Barrister TenQ, things are not always two sided. Because something is not white does not necessarily mean it is black.
- This is a direct response to your question ' Can you find me Islamic/Muslim Sources that EMPHATICALLY DENY that Muhammad is Prophesied by Jesus from the book of John. Failure to find examples is a prove that you tell a lie with your answer
- I was not the one who made reference to the book of John to prove that the prophet was prophesied in that Book.
- YOU WERE THE ONE WHO FIRST TOLD ME IN THIS CONVERSATION THAT MUSLIMS DID . Or weren't you? Did I make that claim? yhwh bears me witness!
- And my response was I do not agree or deny that Muslims make that reference. Was that not my answer?
- So why on this earth would I look for something that was not my claim to start with. Many Muslims have made claims and it lies SQUARELY ON THEIR TABLE TO DEFEND THEIR CLAIMS AND NOT MINE
- 'read my lips', it is not my business to defend their claim. Or are you trying to tell me that you defend all Christians claims?
- And your conclusion is even baseless. ...failure is a proof that I tell a lie with my answer... . You finished from a state school and they are generally more expensive than Federal Schools from the North where I finished from. Didn't they teach you logic ?
- Now to your personal question 9. Your premise is flawed and your logic laughable. I have made this point abundantly clear. What the Quran said in 7:157 is in the Torah and INJIL. Emphasis here is Torah and Injil and not the book of Jews and Christians as you have translated it - When we talk of Torah, we all know what Torah is. Is that the same for gospel As far back as the second century, there were as many as 40 different Gospels in circulation. Do you want evidence for this assertion?
FOURTH LINE OF ARGUMENT
11 - 14
I have given you the explanation in previous posts and all this is an attempt to run away from my previous question. Please go read my last three (direct posts and rejoinders) and come back to tell me which of the answers I provided in response to these your questions you did not understand!
REMEMBER OUR GOOD FRIEND TENQ THAT WE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THE TRUTH MUCH MORE THAN WINNING ARGUMENT. YHWH AND YEHOSHUA BEARS ME WITNESS. SO, PLEASE TRUTHFULLY AND HONESTLY ANSWER MY QUESTIONS IN HIGHLIGH
The above noise is what you get when you allow Muslims to escape answering Questions that would have solved major problems of comprehension along the road.
Islam and LIES is indistinguishable! The more reason you will not answer my question. It is NOT by noisemaking. It is about logically defending your position which is exposed with simple questions.
LegalWolf, I INSIST that you answer ALL these questions one by one.
PRELUDE: The Qur'an agrees that 1. Jesus is a Man (Human and a Prophet) 2. Jesus is the Word of Allah (Kalimatullah) 3. Jesus is the Spirit of Allah (Ruhullah)
INITIAL QUESTIONS Can you please explain HOW 1. Jesus is a Human being, the Spirit of Allah and the Word of Allah all at the same time? 2. If Jesus is human, where is His grave? 3. Is the Word of Allah is uncreated and eternal? 4. Is the Spirit of Allah uncreated and external?
ABOUT THE INJEEL 1. Is it true or is it false that the term Injeel predates Islam? 2. If the Arab Christians call the first four books of their Bible (Mathew, Mark, Luke and John) Injeel (Gospel) and the word Injeel predates Islam, what evidence do you have that Mohammed use the Word Injeel to mean something different from the usage of the Arab Christians? 3. Do Muslims have any shred of evidence to show that Jesus wrote any book? (Jesus did ministry for only THREE years). If He did, where is it or its remaining fragments? 4. Does Allah know if the people of the book have more than three books namely Taurat, Zabur and Injeel as part of their scripture? 5. If the Books of the Jews and Christians were ALREADY corrupted, why would Allah instruct Mohammed to confirm the Quran from the People of the Book. 6. If the Books of the Jews and Christians were just THREE, why would Allah instruct Mohammed to confirm the Quran from the People of the Book and not specify to them which book? 7. What name did your prophet call the BOOK of the Christians? Did he have any other name apart from Injeel and What name does the Qur'an give to the books of Moses?
ABOUT THE BIBLE 8. I gave a challenge: Can you find me Islamic/Muslim Sources that EMPHATICALLY DENY that Muhammad is Prophesied by Jesus from the book of John. Failure to find examples is a prove that you tell a lie with your answer. 9. I then followed up with a PERSONAL Question to You LegalWolf Allah says in the Quran that Mohammed's name is found written in the books of the Jews and Christians (Quran 7:157) a. Is this a TRUE or FALSE statement by Allah? b. If the above is TRUE, LegalWolf, where can the reference to Mohammed be found in the books of the Christians? c. If the Mohammed is NOT Referenced by the books of the Christians, did Allah tell a lie?
10. Is the Torah just one BOOK or a compilation of Books? My Questions again: 11. Can you prove that the Scriptures Allah was referring to in the Quran had gone into extinction or Allah believed that the books were still with the Jews and Christians? 12. If the books were lost, why would Allah himself give the title "People of the Book" to Jews and Christians? 13. Did your prophet Muhammad make judgement of stoning an adulteress by asking the Jews to refer to the Torah (remember when a Jew covered the word stoning in the Torah...LOL!)?
All these Questions are NOT new: but you avoided answering.
Ventura1: Do you think as an individual you'll see a BDC that'll change even $50k for cash supplied in naira? And everything will go to your BVN linked accounts, even with separate banks? Mr Man, go and sit down and learn
Yes! Easily you'll change up to Equivalent of $1million in BDC at Abuja.
It is extrapolated that by redesigning the currency , corrupt politicians , looters, kidnappers would be forced to bring out there share of 3 trillion not domiciled in banks
So what stops these people from changing their old naira notes to into dollars in bureau de change , wait for the new notes and change it back to the new notes
Someone school me pls
A very Dumb move by the FG and CBN.
If I had N7,000,000,000 stored in my overhead tank AND I have till Jan 15, 2023 to convert it. I will simply go to as many BDC as I can to change it to DOLLARS! By today's exchange rate
N7,000,000,000=$10,000,000 Seven Billion Naira is just about Ten million dollars.
The stupid policy makers have just succeeded in devaluing the Naira again over a 100 days period as hordes of criminals begin to convert their monies to dollars. Pray that we don't hit $1= N1000 by January.
NNTR: On top of LegalWolf responding to those easy peasy lemon squeezy innocent, harmless and straightforward 6 questions, please I beg either you and/or LegalWolf to provide the Quran or Hadith verses that substantiates these guaranteed ironic promises
Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.
2. Brothels in Islamic Paradise A supermarket where you take your pick for sex from pictures (images)
Ali narrated that the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said: ‘Indeed in Paradise there is a market in which there is no buying nor selling- except for images of men and women. So whenever a man desires an image, he enters it (for sex).’”
NNTR: On top of LegalWolf responding to those easy peasy lemon squeezy innocent, harmless and straightforward 6 questions, please I beg either you and/or LegalWolf to provide the Quran or Hadith verses that substantiates these guaranteed ironic promises
Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.
Got banned posting here because of webpage links.
1. Eternal Erection of Muslims in paradise Ibn Kathir is a well respected commentary writer of the Qur'an. He explains Qur'an 56:36
Islam and LIES is indistinguishable! The more reason you will not answer my question. It is NOT by noisemaking. It is about logically defending your position which is exposed with simple questions. FACTS The use of the word Injeel predates Islam. The word Injeel is STRICLY used by the Arab Christians as a Term for the first four books of their bible called Gospel (wherein is a collection of the life and ministry of Jesus Christ). According to the Arab Christians, their Injeel is translated from the word Gospel which mean “Good News”! Similarly, the Jews also have the first five books of the Tanakh called the Torah containing the Life and Ministry of the Patriarchs, the history of Gods relation with the tribe of Israel, the Laws of Moses and the behaviour of the actors therein. According to Islam (copying the name from the Arab Christians), the term Injeel is a SINGLE book purportedly given to Jesus. The Injeel is the Book (singular as used by Allah) of the Christians as Mohammed NEVER insinuated that the Christians use other scriptures. This is exactly the same way Allah calls ALL the book of the Jews just by two books Torah and Zabur.
LegalWolf: LOL! We should not lose sight of the question my good friend. yhwh bears me witness to the following:
I asked '...Are you telling me that when the word gospel is mentioned (which is the direct translation of Injil), this is the book we are talking about? .
Your [direct] response to that post was the following:
...What does the word Injeel mean? Is it a book or a compilation of books? Please cite references .
How the Injeel became Gospel is you, Arab Christians and yhwh's business not mine. Or are you denying the question you asked me is in the context of my assertion?
Your logic completely does not make sense. Perhaps, if I give you an example, you will understand: - You and I travelled to the Greek Island of Syros - There we came across a copy of the ancient manuscript in one of their Museums. - This manuscript is written in Greek (the original language of the Bible) and the guide reading it calls Jesus Iesous. - I asked you 'what does Iesous mean'? Apparently we are speaking English not Idoma or Tiv - Your response is that it is directly translated in English Language and English Bibles as Jesus. - Then I tell you 'Jesus does not make any sense'!!!!!!!!!! Jesus is meaningless! - This is how dumb your argument sounds Barrister TenQ.
The questions we should concern ourselves with is: - Do English Speakers translate Iesous as Jesus?; - Do English Bible translate Iesous as Jesus? - Do English people claim that the word 'Jesus' has an innate meaning in the English Language?
This is just commonsensical that we should not be telling a kid. Remember your question was asked in the context of my assertion. The meaning of Injil traceable to any other language is none of my business. I am asserting that: - Injil is directly translated to mean Gospel in Arabic; - It is understood as a single canon in Arabic language; - I have provided evidence to support my claim that it is understood as a single canon in Arabic language; - What it is traceable to (i.e., it's etymology and meaning in another language) and the understanding of it in that Language is YOU AND YOUR YHWH'S PROBLEM NOT MINE - BARRISTER TENQ, ALL YOU NEED TO DO IS BRING EVIDENCE WHICH CONTRADICTS THE UNDERSTANDING OF INJIL IS NOT GOSPEL IN ARABIC; AND IT MEANS MULTIPLE CANONS IN ARABIC . How simple can that be?
That I am uncomfortable using Islamic Sources? Really Barrister TenQ. I am simply restating your logic which I reproduce below:
... YOU HAVE FAILED TO SHOW US WHY WE SHOULD TAKE THE BOOK OF JOHN AS A WORK OF DIVINE BEING. - Is it because some Muslim look to it for the fulfilment for the prophecy about Mohammed (pbuh) in this book as per your logic? - If so, are you prepared to accept apocryphal books that some Muslims look up to to as fulfilling the prophecies of Mohammed as the Word of God? - if not, why the former and not the latter? .
yhwh bears me witness that I am simply restating your logic Barrister TenQ
Finally, you asked what evidence am I prepared to accept that the Book of John is a product of a divine being. It is your case Barrister TenQ. Call any witness to the witness box and I would not help you conduct your case. Your witness could be yhwh, it could be yehoshua or just name it. It is improper in law and common sense for your opponent to tell you which evidence to bring particularly IF YOU ARE THE ONE MAKING AN ASSERTION . All I would do is just to see if it complies with reason.
PLEASE ANSWER MY QUESTION ON INJIL ABOVE
REMEMBER, MY GOOD FRIEND THAT WE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THE TRUTH
The above noise is what you get when you allow Muslims to escape answering Questions that would have solved major problems of comprehension along the road. LegalWolf, I INSIST that you answer ALL these questions one by one. ABOUT THE INJEEL 1. Is it true or is it false that the term Injeel predates Islam? 2. If the Arab Christians call the first four books of their Bible (Mathew, Mark, Luke and John) Injeel (Gospel) and the word Injeel predates Islam, what evidence do you have that Mohammed use the Word Injeel to mean something different from the usage of the Arab Christians? 3. Do Muslims have any shred of evidence to show that Jesus wrote any book? (Jesus did ministry for only THREE years). If He did, where is it or its remaining fragments? 4. Does Allah know if the people of the book have more than three books namely Taurat, Zabur and Injeel as part of their scripture? 5. If the Books of the Jews and Christians were ALREADY corrupted, why would Allah instruct Mohammed to confirm the Quran from the People of the Book. 6. If the Books of the Jews and Christians were just THREE, why would Allah instruct Mohammed to confirm the Quran from the People of the Book and not specify to them which book? 7. What name did your prophet call the BOOK of the Christians? Did he have any other name apart from Injeel and What name does the Qur'an give to the books of Moses?
ABOUT THE BIBLE 8. I gave a challenge: Can you find me Islamic/Muslim Sources that EMPHATICALLY DENY that Muhammad is Prophesied by Jesus from the book of John. Failure to find examples is a prove that you tell a lie with your answer. 9. I then followed up with a PERSONAL Question to You LegalWolf Allah says in the Quran that Mohammed's name is found written in the books of the Jews and Christians (Quran 7:157) a. Is this a TRUE or FALSE statement by Allah? b. If the above is TRUE, LegalWolf, where can the reference to Mohammed be found in the books of the Christians? c. If the Mohammed is NOT Referenced by the books of the Christians, did Allah tell a lie?
10. Is the Torah just one BOOK or a compilation of Books? My Questions again: 11. Can you prove that the Scriptures Allah was referring to in the Quran had gone into extinction or Allah believed that the books were still with the Jews and Christians? 12. If the books were lost, why would Allah himself give the title "People of the Book" to Jews and Christians? 13. Did your prophet Muhammad make judgement of stoning an adulteress by asking the Jews to refer to the Torah (remember when a Jew covered the word stoning in the Torah...LOL!)?
All these Questions are NOT new: but you avoided answering. Make the answers short please!
Truvelisback: True, i get ur point. According to TenQ, based on that Bible passage, said they had the swords for self-defence because Jesus was abt to depart from them. The point i disagree with him was that, he said it's not for Physical self-defence but Symbol of spiritual Self-defence.
LegalWolf: Our good friend TenQ, you gave a challenge that you are after the Truth and not to win an argument. Now I am calling you to TRUTHFULLY and HONESTLY walk the talk as your yhwh as enjoined you in the book of provers. Definitely he hates liars and fraudsters.
Look at my assertion here:
...Are you telling me that when the word gospel is mentioned (which is the direct translation of Injil), this is the book we are talking about? [/u].
And your response to that post (and particularly to that portion of my assertion is this:
[i] ...What does the word Injeel mean? Is it a book or a compilation of books? Please cite references .
I have you given you evidence BOTH from ARABIC BIBLE and SECULAR Christian Sources that Injil means Gospel. On the other hand of your question, it does NOT IN ANY WAY MEAN COMPILATION OF BOOKS. It is Injil according to Yohanna, Luk, Yuda etc
What does the word Injeel mean? Is it a book or a compilation of books? Please cite references .
Now here is your dumb rebuttal as follows:
...If you have answered the question, I would have asked you what does Gospel mean? For Injeel is meaningless without the meaning of Gospel.
TenQ all you asked me to do was: - what is the meaning of Injil - is a book or compilation of books - Please provide reference.
I answered you that Injil means book. Further, I told you (after citing cambridge Arabic dictionary that I guess I saw that Injil refers to one of the books of the Bible. Now I have gone to check and this is the reference - https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english-arabic/gospel)
Our beloved son of yhwh who goes by the moniker TenQ DID I ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? Have I provided references saying Injil is a book not a compilation of Books? TENQ I cited CAMBRIDGE dictionary for crying out loud and NOT your usual nonsense. I have showed you my proof, what is yours Mr. TenQ?
'...For Injeel is meaningless without the meaning of the gospel...', so says who Barrister TenQ? Such incontinent incoherence gushing out from your mouth!!!!!!!!!? Am I asking you for the etymology of the word Injeel? Or where it is derived from or what the gospel means You asked me to tell you the meaning of Injil within the context of my assertion that It does NOT refer to the Bible as a collection of Gospel BUT just one gospel. So you have to prove: - In Arabic, what is the direct translation of the word Injil - Whether in Arabic, it is understood as gospel or compilation of gospels (like the NT) and - Any evidence to back you up.
OTHER POINTS You asked as follows: 1. Did your prophet know that Jesus wrote no books? 2. If you claim that Jesus wrote a book, what is your evidence? 3. What name did your prophet call the book of the Christians? Did he have any other name apart from Injeel?
You are going off the rail. Every single question you asked is to run away from the obvious. With me, and you should know by now, that there is no running helter-skelter. Every point will be addressed and address well. No ad hominem or straw man argument will deter me. It is completely irrelevant to the Questions which I ask you and now reproduce below again (having taken due consideration of your 'correction')
REMEMBER THAT THE KEY THING HERE IS NOT TO WIN AN ARGUMENT BUT THE TRUTH ------
Now as you will remember in Proverbs 12:22 which admonish that a lying lip is an abomination to the Lord. And your quest is for Truth and not winning an argument. I admonish you as our sweet yhwh did in the book of proverbs not to lie. Answer my questions HONESTLY and TRUTHFULLY as follows:
- Having cited two dictionaries which directly translates Injil to the Gospel and not the Bible, DO YOU CONCEDE THAT THE GOSPEL ACCORDING TO AUTHORITIVE SOURCES IS CORRECTLY TRANSLATED AS INJIL AND NOT THE COMPEDIUM CALLED BIBLE?
- Again, remember you are for the Truth and not to win an argument. If you doubt that, can you prove that in Arabic, Injil is the ONLY term used to refer to the Bible and no other.
- let me put it in another way, DO YOU AGREE THAT THE 'GOSPEL' ACCORDING TO MARK, MATTHEW, JOHN ETC... IS TRANSLATED IN ARABIC BIBLES AS INJIL? . If not, what other term apart from Injil do Christians use to translate 'Gospel' in Arabic Bible?
- REMEMBER MY GOOD FRIEND TENQ THAT THE EMPHASIS HERE IS ON THE TRUTH AND NOT TO WIN AN ARGUMENT . This were your words which I agree to. I have conceded to things that you think were against my interest. Lol! So you walk the talk here our good sweet son of yhwh
- Finally, my question begs for an answer which you have not even attempted to answer is reproduced below:
Given you have changed gear, Remember, my good friend TenQ, that this is your claim: 1. Quran 7:157 says the unlettered prophet is mentioned in the Gospel. (Premise 1) 2. You claim that Muslims look up to the book of John as evidence that the Prophet was mentioned in the Gospel (Premise 2) 3. Therefore, why would Muslims look for fulfilment of prophecies about Mohammed in a book of the Christians they consider as NOT divine?. Would you Muslims look for prophecies about Mohammed or Islam in the works of Shakespear!? (Conclusion). [highlight]
BECAUSE THEY ARE FOLLOWING YOUR LOGIC MY GOOD FRIEND TENQ . LIKE YOU, THEY ARE CITING BOOKS WHICH THEY KNOW YOU WILL FIND ACCEPTABLE !!!!!!!!!!! . It goes without saying that If you could cite the Quran in a conversation regarding the Bible, why can't Muslims cite the Bible in conversations regarding the Quran? This is me simply restating the book of logic according to TenQ!
My good friend TenQ, AFTER WIGGLING AROUND, YOU HAVE FAILED TO SHOW US WHY WE SHOULD TAKE THE BOOK OF JOHN AS A WORK OF A DIVINe BEING . - Is it because some Muslim look to it for the fulfilment for the prophecy about Mohammed (pbuh) in this book as per your logic? - If so, are you prepared to accept apocryphal books that some Muslims look up to to as fulfilling the prophecies of Mohammed as the Word of God? - If not, why should we accept the former and not the latter?
Simple as ABC. Yes or No answer without excessive turanchi
Islam and LIES is indistinguishable! The more reason you will not answer my question. Can you TRUTHFULLY say that the people of the book (singular) have ONLY THREE Books as Scriptures Injeel, Zabur and Taurat ?
Let me help you reset your hyper noise.
I asked you what Injeel means?
You changed the topic by insinuating that I am denying that Injeel is attributed to mean Gospel. Unfortunately, this stance you took because you are avoiding tracing the Arabic word Injeel to the MEANING of the Word Gospel. How did Injeel become GOSPEL (that is the Question).
But let me help you RESET properly to ground level.
I seems you are uncomfortable with my three Islamic witnesses as you couldn't find any reasonable response against issues raised about 1. Muslim Apologists 2. Allah and 3. Mohammed Instead, you were prepared to go on a verbuse rants of meaningless copy-paste.
It looks like you'll prefer that I use other means pther than Islamic Sources for answering your question!
I will be willing to use non-Islamic means as long as the deal is FAIR by examples. Is this okay by you?
Your Question: Whether the Book of John is book of divine creation or any of the books of the New Testament.
TWO CONDITIONS 1. So, state the kind of evidence that would be SATISFACTORY for you?
NNTR: LegalWolf, please share in a short succinct way, what Islam has on the table as offers, matching or equal to the following: 1.) the gift of salvation, 2.) the plan of redemption, 3.) reconciliation and 4.) atonement
LegalWolf beloved, the Quran in Surah 10:94, as seen above, evidently is advising Muslims, to receive good information from non-Muslims (i.e. people who arent necessarily believers of Allah nor the tenets of Islam aka Pillars of Islam)
5.) Now, LegalWolf, who do you think 'People of Book' mentioned in that Surah 10:94 verse above, is referring to? 6.) What is the Gospel? Define what the Gospel. What is the Gospel coming from a muslim perspective and/or Islam viewpoint?
cc TenQ
Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.
Islam guarantees perpetual erection, endless sex, free brothels and booze in paradise for Muslims.
There is another guarantee for them: they will all enter Hell fire before Allah will replace them with us Christians as a ransom.
LegalWolf: Lol, this is the same turn around logic I have tried to explain to you in simple terms. I love how you stretch the limit of your logic and see how fruitless it is. You cannot defend the Bible. Let me summarize again - I asked you whether the Book of John was truly a product of a divine being - In response to my question, YOU cited the QURAN to show that Muslims relied on it - I objected to you citing the Quran but you remember your response? It goes something like this 'you are citing a book that is acceptable to me' - The Question you now ask here was exactly a paraphrase of what I was asking you which you did not respond to 'why would you cite a book you have no faith in'? Or have you forgotten I asked you a similar line of question? I tried to explain logic to you but you refused to heed.
BUT THEN AGAIN, my Yoruba friends/relatives will say your 'shalaye' (roughly meaning exposition) is unnecessary. Back to the simple Questions please. (which I have slightly moderated)? ARE YOU NOT AFTER THE TRUTH AGAIN? . And thank you so much for teaching me how to use highlights. I will go ahead to decorate my posts with it so you can see as clearly as possible.
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Now as you will remember in Proverbs 12:22 which admonish that a lying lip is an abomination to the Lord. And your quest is for Truth and not winning an argument. I admonish you as our sweet yhwh did in the book of proverbs not to lie. Answer my questions HONESTLY and TRUTHFULLY as follows:
- Having cited two dictionaries which directly translates Injil to the Gospel and not the Bible, DO YOU CONDEDE THAT THE GOSPEL ACCORDING TO AUTHORITIVE SOURCES IS CORRECTLY TRANSLATED AS INJIL AND NOT THE COMPEDIUM CALLED BIBLE?
- Again, remember you are for the Truth and not to win an argument. If you doubt that, can you prove that in Arabic, Injil is the ONLY term used to refer to the Bible and no other.
- let me put it in another way, DO YOU AGREE THAT THE 'GOSPEL' ACCORDING TO MARK, MATTHEW, JOHN ETC... IS TRANSLATED IN ARABIC BIBLES AS INJIL? . If not, what other term apart from Injil do Christians use to translate 'Gospel' in Arabic Bible?
- REMEMBER MY GOOD FRIEND TENQ THAT THE EMPHASIS HERE IS ON THE TRUTH AND NOT TO WIN AN ARGUMENT . This were your words which I agree to. I have conceded to things that you think were against my interest. Lol! So you work the talk here our good sweet servant of yhwh
- Finally, my question begs for an answer which you have not even attempted to answer is reproduced below:
Remember, my good friend TenQ, that this is your claim: 1. Quran 7:157 says the unlettered prophet is mentioned in the Gospel. (Premise 1) 2. You claim that Muslims look up to the book of John as evidence that the Prophet was mentioned in the Gospel (Premise 2) 3. Therefore, the Book of John is a creation of a divine being (Conclusion).
It goes without saying that If there is another gospel which Muslims look up to as evidence that the Prophet was mentioned in it, that Gospel should also qualify as a word of God. This is me simply restating your logic. So to ask again, BASED ON YOUR LOGIC AND PREMISE stated above, ARE YOU PREPARED TO ALSO ACCEPT AN APOCRYPAL GOSPEL WHICH FULFILS YOUR SECOND PREMISE AS A BOOK OF GOD'?
Your incoherence coupled with the length of your pitch is disturbing. I almost cannot feel the direction of your pitch. I will bring out two of your questions
1. DO YOU CONDEDE THAT THE GOSPEL ACCORDING TO AUTHORITIVE SOURCES IS CORRECTLY TRANSLATED AS INJIL AND NOT THE COMPEDIUM CALLED BIBLE?
I asked you a question and you turn it around without answering the question as if I was implying that Gospel doesn't translate into Injeel. If you have answered the question, I would have asked you what does Gospel mean? For Injeel is meaningless without the meaning of Gospel. Therefore, I asked again, what does Injeel mean?
Why do you keep up repeating a LIE as my conclusion in your quote below (even after I corrected you)?
1. Quran 7:157 says the unlettered prophet is mentioned in the Gospel. (Premise 1) 2. You claim that Muslims look up to the book of John as evidence that the Prophet was mentioned in the Gospel (Premise 2) 3. Therefore, the Book of John is a creation of a divine being (Conclusion) [/highlight]
The best Muslims do is to set up a Strawman argument. SMH!
1. Did your prophet know that Jesus wrote no books? 2. If you claim that Jesus wrote a book, what is your evidence? 3. What name did your prophet call the book of the Christians? Did he have any other name apart from Injeel?
The ignorance of your prophet made him not to know that Christian Bible contain several books.
You said: DO YOU CONDEDE THAT THE GOSPEL ACCORDING TO AUTHORITIVE SOURCES IS CORRECTLY TRANSLATED AS INJIL AND NOT THE COMPEDIUM CALLED BIBLE?
Mohammed in his ignorance called the book of the Christians Injeel just as he didn't know that the Torah consists of FIVE separate books!
I can't help Mohammed's ignorance. Your Strawman argument cannot work on me!
YOUR OTHER POST: You should ask Mohammed: "Which book was the Christians of his time used"!
A confused Illiterate was Mohammed, how could he know better: no wonder!
He is best at SEDUCING the Wife of His adopted Son!
Using your wonderful logic: Mohammed is found written in the Torah and the Gospels, yet they have found Mohamedeen in book the Songs of Solomon (who h was earlier ascribed to be pornographic)!
Can you TRUTHFULLY say that the people of the book (singular) have ONLY THREE Books as Scriptures Injeel, Zabur and Taurat ? I won't be surprised if you tell a lie or ignore the question as usual!
LegalWolf: All you said does not still answer the very simple question I asked which I paraphrase below:
'Suppose I cite evidence of a gospel outside the 27 canon which Muslims have looked up to as 'evidence of the gospel in which the unlettered prophet was mentioned', WOULD YOU ON THE SAME LOGIC ACCEPT THAT GOSPEL AS A WORD OF GOD
Why would you cite books Christians have no faith in? Does it make sense to you? If I cite an Arabic work and claim it is part of the Qur'an, would that make good sense to you?
LegalWolf: Remember, my good friend TenQ, that this is your claim: 1. Quran 7:157 says the unlettered prophet is mentioned in the Gospel. (Premise 1) 2. You Claim that Muslims look up to the book of John as evidence that the Prophet was mentioned in the Gospel (Premise 2) 3.
Therefore, the Book of John is a creation of a divine being
Taqqiyya as usual: I said why would Muslims look for fulfilment of prophecies about Mohammed in a book of the Christians they consider as NOT divine?. Would you Muslims look for prophecies about Mohammed or Islam in the works of Shakespear!? (Conclusion).
It goes without saying that If there is another gospel which Muslims look up to as evidence that the Prophet was mentioned in it, that Gospel should also qualify as a word of God. This is me simply restating your logic. So to ask again, BASED ON YOUR LOGIC AND PREMISE stated above, ARE YOU PREPARED TO ALSO ACCEPT AN APOCRYPAL GOSPEL WHICH FULFILS YOUR SECOND PREMISE AS A BOOK OF GOD'?
Your arguments are so lame. You Muslims have been looking INTO our SCRIPTURE for evidence of your prophet. Allah says Mohammed is found mentioned in OUR books: are the apocryphal literatures our books?
I assume you are a SUNNI Muslim and not SHIA. Do you think it sounds logical for me to IMPOSE Shia literatures on you!?
LegalWolf: Okay, I think I have tried to explain this to you as logically as possible but you keep clutching on to straws. It has been said that the best way to explain things to kids is through analogy. Therefore, let me start again with a simple question and an analogy.
Again, remember the context in which our engagement ensued - to find out whether the book of john is a product of divine creation. If I understand you correctly, you claim SPECIFICALLY that Since Q7:157 says that that the Prophet was mentioned in the gospel with the Bible. [Premise 1] and that [the book of John is the only one that Muslims cite as mentioning the Prophet [Premise 2], Therefore, the book of John is a divine book. [Conclusion]
In other words, since the Book of John is the ONLY book that Muslims look to which mentioned the prophet, therefore it must be the product of divine. Suppose I cite evidence of a gospel outside the 27 canon (which your church deems apocryphal but apparently in existence before 600 A.D) which Muslims have looked up to as 'evidence of the gospel in which the unlettered prophet was mentioned', WOULD YOU ON THE SAME LOGIC ACCEPT THAT GOSPEL AS A WORD OF GOD ??
Read my lips, Qur'an 7:157 is NOT directly about the book of John. Qur'an 7:157 is about the books of the Jews and the Christians.
Is the book of John part of the books of the Christians?
The Question is 1. What name does the Qur'an give to the books of Moses? Is it a single book? NO! It is a Library of FIVE books. 2. What name does the Qur'an give to the books of the Christians? Injeel! But the Injeel is ALL the books of the Christians!
The fact that Mohammed is ignorant of the fact that the books of the Christians is a collection of Books just as he did not know that the Torah is a collection of FIVE books is the problem of you Muslims.
Christianity Etc › Re: Trinity In Islam!? Muslims Cannot Explain! by TenQ(op): 1:39pm On Oct 29, 2022
