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jubrilcastle:
This one you are busy searching for the grave if Jesus Christ. Let's turn to the Holy and Marvelous and wonderful Qur'an and hear what it says concerning your question.

And for their saying, "We have killed the Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, the Messenger of God." In fact, they did not kill him, nor did they crucify him, but it appeared to them as if they did. Indeed, those who differ about him are in doubt about it. They have no knowledge of it, except the following of assumptions. Certainly, they did not kill him. Rather, God raised him up to Himself. [/b]God is Mighty and Wise.

-Quran 4:157-4:158[b]

So my brother man, that's why you can't find the grave of Jesus Christ anywhere. From his birth to his departure from this earth were all miraculous

Ajeeb:
I can see where the issues are...

1. You don't interpret Al-Qur'an with ordinary translation alone.
2. Check the word MasiihU, it's written
MasiihA, which means it's one of the objects i.e one of what they worship
3. If it happens to go by they should worship him instead, it will be MasiihiI, because you can see "min duuni Allaah...."


As someone that understands Arabic language better to interpret it for you

LegalWolf:
Lol. This is getting interesting. So who makes you the arbiter of what is true and honest? Put differently, if you believe that no Muslim can honestly and truthfully defend, why would you want an explanation?

Knowing the limit of your intellect, let me break it down to your level. Suppose an Atheist tells you that the creation story recanted in the book of genesis cannot be a product of an intelligent being (not to talk of God).

Now let’s take the assumption a step further, he claims that given the preponderance of archeological, historical, genomics and genetics evidence to back that up (I assume you are familiar with science hence my example), that no Christian can TRUTHFULLY and HONESTLY give an explanation to that.

Would you agree that his assertions are correct and the biblical story of creation is nothing but the handiwork of cavemen? Or would it be far fetched if you ask him that since his mind his made up, why should you explain?

I labor to give you this example because I’ve debated with you on countless occasions and I know the limit of your intellect and hope you’ll get the drift. Back to the question I asked you above
if you believe that no Muslim can honestly and truthfully defend, why would you want an explanation?

xproducer:
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There is only one GOD!

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." - John 1:1

"And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth." - John 1:14

"For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace." - Isaiah 9:6

"Thus saith the Lord the King of Israel, and his redeemer the Lord of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God." - Isaiah 44:6 (Isaiah 45:21)

LegalWolf:
Looool. I so much love engaging you. So, if you believe no Muslim can explain it, so why asking me to proffer an explanation?

LegalWolf:
Looool. I so much love engaging you. So, if you believe no Muslim can explain it, so why asking me to proffer an explanation?

LegalWolf:
Yes I have. But this doesn’t answer WHY I have to explain, does it?

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Ahmad880881:
thanks your Mr questionaire cos the more you ask stupid question about Islam you would get the fact that jesus is a man and a prophet of Allah with these following characteristic of him

1 jesus was born like you were born by woman
2 he sucks his mothers breast like you did
3 he had been bathed

you can list some my friend

AntiChristian:
How many times have we explained it yet you still ask?

One evidence suffice the wise!
A fool is insatiable even with a thousand!

Jubrilcastle has really tried! May Allah bless us and guide us all.

jubrilcastle:
If we are to go into this definitely it will never end. Nothing I say will convince you. I hardly go into dialogue with other belief system. Just do good in this life and leave the rest.

Now to your question.
*Jesus is a man. Of course he's a man as he have all the attributes of a man. He sleeps and wakes up he eat and do every other thing men do (of which the Almighty doesn't eat, drink, sleep etc except your religion says he does otherwise. Even your Bible Jesus is described as a man in the book of acts ch 2 Vs 22 it reads "New International Version"
“Fellow Israelites, listen to this: Jesus of Nazareth was a MAN accredited by God to you by miracles, wonders and signs, which God did among you through him, as you yourselves know.
See also in Luke 24 Vs 39 New International Version
Look at my hands and my feet. It is I myself! Touch me and see; a ghost does not have flesh and bones, as you see I have.
What's Jesus trying to say here? That I'm a man and not a spirit.
The Qur'an describing Jesus as a man is 100% correct my brother nothing wrong in that.

jubrilcastle:
*Secondly you pointed out that Jesus is the word of Allah.
For Allah to create anything at all he only give his command which is "kun fa ya kun" which means be and it is.
It was same command he gave to Jesus to be in the womb of Mary and Jesus was. You can see how he's referred to as the word of Allah. Because it's the word of Allah that command Jesus to be in the womb of Mary. Again in your Bible you can see places where "kun fa ya kun" come to play for instance in the book of Genesis God said let there be light and there was light. That's the power of the word of Allah. Birth of Jesus Christ was a great miracle and it could not have happened if Allah does not give the word "be in the womb of virgin Mary"

jubrilcastle:
*Lastly you pointed out that Jesus is the spirit of Allah

The Quran describes Jesus to be a ‘Spirit’ proceeding from God:

"We breathed into her (Mary) from My Spirit." (Quran 21:91)

"We blew into (her womb) through Our angel." (Quran 66:12)

The soul of Jesus was a spirit created by God, brought by Gabriel, a mighty angel of God, and breathed into Mary:

"We blew into (her womb from her garment) through Our angel." (Quran 66:12)

Jesus was not a ‘part,’ ‘person,’ or ‘activity’ of God that separated and dwelled inside Mary. He is called a ‘Spirit’ from God as a symbol of respect and honor, not divinity.

Likewise, God also gives Adam this characteristic of being His spirit. God said when He ordered the angels to prostrate to Adam upon his creation.:

"So, when I have fashioned him (Adam) completely and breathed into him (Adam) the soul which I created for him, then fall down prostrating yourselves unto him." (Quran 38:72)

jubrilcastle:
Indeed Jesus is given an honored status in the Quran and is has been given certain titles and descriptions not given to other prophets, but this in no way should cause a person to believe that Jesus was anything other than mortal. This can be summarized in the following verse in which God says:

"O People of the Book (the Jews and the Christians)! Do not exceed the limits in your religion, and do not speak (lies) against God, but (speak) the truth; the Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, is only a messenger of God and His Word which He bestowed on Mary and a Spirit from Him; believe therefore in God and His messengers, and say not, ‘Three’. Desist, it is better for you; Indeed God is only one diety; far be it from His glory that He should have a son, To Him belongs all that is in the heavens and all that is in the earth, and God is All-Sufficient as a Disposer of affairs." (Quran 4:171)



Please my dear brother let's try and put this to sleep. Believe in your religion and allow others do same. Thanks and God bless

LegalWolf:
Lol, why do I need to give you an explanation?

jubrilcastle:
In Christianity, the doctrine of the Trinity states that God is a single being who exists, simultaneously and eternally, as a communion of three distinct persons, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. Islam considers the concept of plurality within God to be a denial of monotheism and foreign to the revelation found in Muslim scripture. Shirk, the act of ascribing partners to God – whether they be sons, daughters, or other partners – is considered to be a form of unbelief in Islam. The Quran repeatedly and firmly asserts God's absolute oneness, thus ruling out the possibility of another being sharing his sovereignty or nature.[1] In Islam, the Holy Spirit is believed to be the Angel Gabriel.[2] Muslims have explicitly rejected Christian doctrines of the Trinity from an early date.[1][3]

In the Quran
Three Quranic verses may directly refer to this doctrine.4:171, 5:73, and 5:116.[1]

O People of the Scripture. do not commit excess in your religion or say about Allah except the truth. The Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, was but a messenger of Allah and His word which He directed to Mary and a soul [created at a command] from Him. So believe in Allah and His messengers. And do not say, "Three"; desist - it is better for you. Indeed, Allah is but one God. Exalted is He above having a son. To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on the earth. And sufficient is Allah as Disposer of affairs.

— Quran 4 (An-Nisa), ayat 171[4]
They have certainly disbelieved who say, " Allah is the Messiah, the son of Mary" while the Messiah has said, "O Children of Israel, worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord." Indeed, he who associates others with Allah - Allah has forbidden him Paradise, and his refuge is the Fire. And there are not for the wrongdoers any helpers. They have certainly disbelieved who say, " Allah is the third of three." And there is no god except one God. And if they do not desist from what they are saying, there will surely afflict the disbelievers among them a painful punishment. So will they not repent to Allah and seek His forgiveness? And Allah is Forgiving and Merciful. The Messiah, son of Mary, was not but a messenger; [other] messengers have passed on before him. And his mother was a supporter of truth. They both used to eat food. Look how We make clear to them the signs; then look how they are deluded.

— Quran 5 (Al-Ma'ida), ayat 72-75[5]
And [beware the Day] when Allah will say, "O Jesus, Son of Mary, did you say to the people, 'Take me and my mother as deities besides Allah ?'" He will say, "Exalted are You! It was not for me to say that to which I have no right. If I had said it, You would have known it. You know what is within myself, and I do not know what is within Yourself. Indeed, it is You who is Knower of the unseen. I said not to them except what You commanded me - to worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord. And I was a witness over them as long as I was among them; but when You took me up, You were the Observer over them, and You are, over all things, Witness. If You should punish them - indeed they are Your servants; but if You forgive them - indeed it is You who is the Exalted in Might, the Wise.

— Quran 5 (Al-Ma'ida), ayat 116-118[6]

Maynman:
Since you can’t accept the truth about your OWN religion, you are a hypocrite.
Not to forget, Tertulian is a MONTANIST

Maynman:
If you channel this much energy on your religion and your deities, it would have been good for you.

You are worshipping a tertullian concept.

Channah1:
At a prayer program today, a man of God raised this prayer point. First time I'll be hearing such in my life but I prayed it with my whole heart because it seems to hit home for me somehow.

Here
Anyone tornenting me to please God, father deal with them.

What do you think, breathren?

Maynman:
Yeah, even small boy Yahweh knows!

Maynman:
I know, that’s why you are a yahweh worshipper, it’s self explanatory.

Maynman:
What’s your aim of opening this thread?

You too should learn about your religion.
Trinity is Tertulian concept, it doesn’t exist outside the New Testament!, that’s why jews reject it!

Maynman:
That’s the fact.
The truth is bitter when you’ve been indoctrinated!

Hope you know nicene Christianity comes from Judaism.
Look up the father of judaism!

Maynman:
Who are those people? The muslims you are abusing?
How come you can’t take what you dish out?

Maynman:
You both worship one of the gods of your father, Abraham.
One took allah, another took yahweh, some took asheera and so on and so forth

Maynman:
What’s the origin of the word “satan”
Even one of your yahweh angel was a “satan”
You’ve been duped by the greek and Latin early Church fathers.

Maynman:
And you are the slaves of Abraham. Are you and muslims not both worshipping Abrahamaic gods?

jimmyvic:
Just live right and wait for judgement day....this argument is unnecessary

Maynman:
If you channel this much energy on your religion and your deities, it would have been good for you.

You are worshipping a tertullian concept.

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MyExpression:
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