₦airaland Forum

Haylel:
It's funny no one told us when Russia took it.

It was reported when Russia pushed out the Ukrainians

Dvdpity:
Lies. Ukrainian soldiers are still hole up in the industrial zone. Funny news.

Those who wanted Zelensky to give up the whole of Ukraine to Putin are getting pained that 100 days after, Russia has not done beyond 20% OF Ukraine.

I pray that your big enemies would be disgraced before you. Amen

2dominate:
Oga park well your point is so weak i don't know if it's serious ignorance or prejudice thats affecting you but also you belief that you are correct and anything contradictory is not true so why should i engage you ?
Please my time is precious.

You know who else use this tactics of yours!? Atheists!!
This is why you cannot answer simple questions as it exposes the lies and ignorance on your part.

My job is to force Muslims to reason and think through their religion.

Simple questions
1. Is Al-Fathia not a prayer in your Qur'an? Would it be offensive if (other surahs) Surah 115 and Surah 116 are also prayers?

2. Both ALLAH and MOHAMMED attested to Ubayy bin Kab. How come his name is not part of Uthman's codex of the Qur'an?

3. Will you agree with me that Muslims don't like the TRUTH whenever it conflicts with Islam?

2dominate:
Please don't ever mention me for any selective, cherry picked, self serving quotation, believe what ever you like, i don't go forward and back word without any goal or objective, when you want to discuss about something specific then i can help.

Temper and Anger tantrums doesn't change the TRUTH!

haekymbahd:
can't this be regarded as metaphor.

When one speaks of the setting and rising of the sun, no one is actually referring to the actual movement of the sun.

They are talking about how it appears to move while on Earth. Therefore if you were at the place Zul-Qarnain was, and you looked at the horizon during the sunset at that time and place, and there happened to be a spring at the distance where the sunset was taking place, you would have seen the sun as setting on the spring.



Not literally but figuratively..

How can it be figurative when
1. Allah spoke to Dhul-Qarnayn?
2. When there are an actual people living at the place the sun set?

Those who were asking Mohammed questions about Dhul-Qarnayn know him as a historical personality.


You've not answered how big you think the biggest largest Spring of water is on the earth?

haekymbahd:
Can you now explain or do you beleive this verse



Allah SWT said:

"It is not allowable for the sun to reach the moon, nor does the night overtake the day, but each, in an orbit, is swimming."
(QS. Yaseen 36: Verse 40)

"And it is He who created the night and the day and the sun and the moon; all [heavenly bodies] in an orbit are swimming."
(QS. Al-Anbiyaa 21: Verse 33)

Cos this verse is actually talking about the process of sunrise and sunset maybe you will explain how Zul qornain saw the sun's orbit if not eye level view...

The above is a report of that which is readily OBSERVABLE to all. Has the sun ever collided with the moon?

Unfortunately too, the planets and their satellites are NOT swimming. Are the planets and their satellites swimming?

That means Allah was unknowingly reporting an error from Dhul-Qarnayn. If you as a knowledgeable person is reporting how I saw water on the tared road on a hot afternoon, will you report it as "I saw water on the road or a mirage?"

haekymbahd:
I repeat that was based on eye level view that was why the word "as if" was inserted for people like you who cherry pick the Quranic verses to better understand.

And even in your daily conversations you state that the sun sets. I have never seen anyone say that the Earth rotates. Same is the case here.

Allah SWT said:

"Until, when he reached the setting of the sun, he found it [as if] setting in a spring of dark mud, and he found near it a people. Allah said, O Dhul-Qarnayn, either you punish [them] or else adopt among them [a way of] goodness."
(QS. Al-Kahf 18: Verse 86)

So take that as a metaphor

You know that they Allah's description is NOT metaphorically spoken: Why?
1. Allah spoke to a real Dhul-Qarnayn
2. Allah commands Dhul-Qarnayn to convert the real people (living at the place of sunset) to goodness OR punish them.
How then can this speech of Allah be metamorphically spoken?

How big do you think the biggest SPRING on the earth is? The answer deflates ALL your arguments.

haekymbahd:
Allah SWT said:



Was it Allah or Zul qornain who found the sun set in muddy water (based on his eye view)

Qur’an 18:86
“Until, when he reached the setting of the sun, [b]he found (wajada) it set in a spring of murky water: ....

.so it was zulqornains eye level view....

Allah said that Dhul-Qarnayn found the sun setting in a Spring of muddy waters.

Compare with

You said that I found water on the tared road while traveling in the hot afternoon.

Only an ignorant person will tell such a tale about the mirage

haekymbahd:
According to the verse he zul qornain found/saw/perceive the sun sets in a spring of murky water.
.....

I noticed that most Islamic sites use the picture above to confuse Muslims.

Is the body of Water shown a Spring?
If it is, what is the size of the largest Spring in the whole world and is it possible that the sun appear on the horizon of a spring of water?

haekymbahd:
According to the verse he zul qornain found/saw/perceive the sun sets in a spring of murky water.

Did Allah make a confirmatory statement that sun sets in muddy water or that he(Zul qornain) was the one who saw/perceiving/found the sun sets in muddy water.

Since zul qornain was the one who found/perceive sun set in muddy water does that mean someonelse can find/perceive it elsewhere I.e (sun set) elsewhere and not necessarily muddy water since you already have a preconceived answer?


The description in this verse was based on the eye level of zulqornain and a cording to the Quran the earth is spherical in shape like an ostrich egg.


Allah SWT said:

"It is not allowable for the sun to reach the moon, nor does the night overtake the day, but each, in an orbit, is swimming."
(QS. Yaseen 36: Verse 40)

Qur'an 18:83 makes it clear beyond confusion that Allah is the one describing what Dhul-Qarnayn saw.

Qur'an 18:83
They ask you about Dhul-Qarnain. Say, “I shall now recite to you an account of him.”

Allah is the one reciting an account of Dhul-Qarnayn To Mohamed for onward transmission.
Why?
The Jews and the polytheistic Arabians thought that Mohammed didn't know about Dhul-Qarnayn and they kept on pestering Mohammed until Allah came to his aid by reciting exactly what happened to Dhul-Qarnayn.


Allah said:
1. Dhul-Qarnayn travelled so far to the West that he saw the place where the sun set (IN a spring of muddy/Murky waters).
2. Beside this murky waters, a people lived.
3. Allah spoke to Dhul-Qarnayn to either convert these people to goodness or punish them.

Please, how big is the biggest spring of water you know in the whole world. If a spring is so small, how can the sun be perceived to be at a horizon of it?

How can the report of Allah be at the eye level of Dhul-Qarnayn?
It's like me describing you of seeing WATER on the road while traveling in the hot sun to Abuja. This I can only say if I am ignorant of the phenomenon of Mirage.


Summary:
Allah boasted of his knowledge of Dhul-Qarnayn and he told Mohammed as a proof of Allah's knowledge!

compton11:
where did Quran make mentioned of water spring?


U are using the fabricated Hadith From Abu dawud to say this.

Are You are looking for water spring?
Are You are looking for murky water spring?
Are You are looking for muddy water spring?

Is your problem the definition of a "waterless" spring?



Your lying mouth will claim you ONLY know the spring of vehicle shock absorber.

Let me show you the spring of mud or water again(depending on the translation)':

Qur'an 18:86
Until, when he reached the setting of the sun, he found it [as if] setting in a spring of dark mud, and he found near it a people. Allah said, "O Dhul-Qarnayn, either you punish [them] or else adopt among them [a way of] goodness."

Another translation

Qur’an 18:86
“Until, when he reached the setting of the sun, he found (wajada) it set in a spring of murky water: ....

compton11:
is there no Land near a water.

Is it the place full of only water?

Why u arguing blindly?

Qur'an 18:86
Until, when he reached the setting of the sun, he found it [as if] setting in a spring of dark mud, and he found near it a people. Allah said, "O Dhul-Qarnayn, either you punish [them] or else adopt among them [a way of] goodness."

I am quoting exactly what Allah said "the Sun Sets IN A SPRING of dark mud".

Or did the sun set Behind or under the mud?
Or did the sun set on the LAND?

compton11:
found as if!

Just show me the original ARABIC where "AS IF" is insinuated and I will believe!

Shamelessly lying

compton11:
He though so just u like u thought water is on highway when u are traveling during hot sun.

is your dumb ass saying sun is on the earth?

u are arguing blindly.

Do you agree that any Scientist who says that I saw water on the road to Abuja instead of Mirage is the dumbest and ignorant scientist ever

This is the exact error of Allah who aught to know that the sun does not set in any SPRING!

compton11:
When devil too Jesus to high mountain and he showed him all the kingdom of the world,how was that possible?

I see how u try to dodge Revelation 7:1
That mentioned that earth has four corners

Unfortunately, a dumb mind doesn't know the distinction between a vision and a physical reality!

compton11:
hehehe u said it is very authentic,if u look at it very well u see it was narrated by any dhar that narrated the first two and this Hadith is nothing but fabricated that even contradicted the first two


Enjoy

A very uthentic hadith
https://sunnah.com/abudawud:4002

The hadith is not only uthentic, it support the Qur'an

I don't own sunnah.com

sagenaija:
Moslem apologists always think the best approach to queries about Islam is to 'refute' every question. Rather than go back and ponder on the inconsistencies in their books and see that as a sign of human compilation, they think it's best to argue for Allah or when they can't do that 'Allah knows best' disclaimer comes up.

Compton, mhmsadyq, 2dominate, how do you see what Mohamed said here? Does it agree with you or with TenQ?
Sunan Abu Dawud 4002
Narrated Abu Dharr:

I was sitting behind the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) who was riding a donkey while the sun was setting. He asked: Do you know where this sets ? I replied: Allah and his Apostle know best. He said: It sets in a spring of warm water (Hamiyah).

Do you guys agree with your prophet?

Thank you for this hadith. It is a VERY authentic hadith.

It is also backed up by the Qur'an



Sunan Abi Dawud 4002
Narrated Abu Dharr:
I was sitting behind the Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him) who was riding a donkey while the sun was setting. He asked: Do you know where these sets ? I replied: Allah and his Apostle know best. He said: It sets in a spring of warm water (Hamiyah).

حَدَّثَنَا عُثْمَانُ بْنُ أَبِي شَيْبَةَ، وَعُبَيْدُ اللَّهِ بْنُ عُمَرَ بْنِ مَيْسَرَةَ، - الْمَعْنَى - قَالاَ حَدَّثَنَا يَزِيدُ بْنُ هَارُونَ، عَنْ سُفْيَانَ بْنِ حُسَيْنٍ، عَنِ الْحَكَمِ بْنِ عُتَيْبَةَ، عَنْ إِبْرَاهِيمَ التَّيْمِيِّ، عَنْ أَبِيهِ، عَنْ أَبِي ذَرٍّ، قَالَ كُنْتُ رَدِيفَ رَسُولِ اللَّهِ صلى الله


Compton11,
mhmsadyq,
2dominate,
Antichristian

Why don't you step back and ask relevant questions about your faith. Any religion based on lies will lead you only to hell. Must you defend verifiable untruths?

compton11:
u are diverting do from the main topic in this comment.
We are talking about beside muddy water stuff here,and the picture below will answer u concerning that.
....

Concerning your picture, Do you know what a water SPRING is?
How different is a Spring from a Sea/Ocean?
What is the name of the largest Spring in the world?


Muslims will say:
Don't confuse me with the truth, I have made up my mind

2dominate:
Please stop spilling Gibberish here, go and learn

Note
I don't debate with people who come with a preconceived notion that they know all about something but their words reeks of ignorance.

Simple questions
1. Is Al-Fathia not a prayer in your Qur'an? Would it be offensive if other Surah 115 and Surah 116 are also prayers?

2. Both ALLAH and MOHAMMED attested to Ubayy bin Kab. How come his name is not part of Uthman's codex of the Qur'an?

3. Will you agree with me that Muslims don't like the TRUTH whenever it conflicts with Islam?

A million denials cannot change the TRUTH!

mhmsadyq:
Stop asking questions you have answers to.

It's just a simple yes or no answer. If Allah spoke to Dhul-Qarnayn, then Dhul-Qarnayn is a real person finding a people at the place where the sun set INSIDE the murky waters.

Knowing from geography that the earth is spherical, can you please educate us about the place of sunset?

I'm sure you'll run away finally!

compton11:
u are diverting do from the main topic in this comment.
We are talking about beside muddy water stuff here,and the picture below will answer u concerning that.

Is this a honest mistake or another deception?
The Qur'an Never said "BESIDE" murky waters.
Let me show you what the Qur'an said:
Qur'an 18:86
Until, when he reached the setting of the sun, he found it [as if] setting in a spring of dark mud, and he found near it a people. Allah said, "O Dhul-Qarnayn, either you punish [them] or else adopt among them [a way of] goodness."

Dhul-Qarnayn found the sun setting not BESIDE but IN A SPRING of murky waters!

compton11:
u are diverting do from the main topic in this comment.how is that concern with earth being not flat?


And Yahweh see earth as flat

So pathetic

A place where the sun set somewhere is only possible with a FLAT earth!
Allah thinks the earth is flat. That is why Dhul-Qarnayn can see the setting place of the sun.

compton11:
Till tomorrow, we use the four cardinal points of the earth even scientifically. The four cardinal point is not assuming that the earth is flat.and four corner?

Corner is for something that is flat

And u know damn well circle don't have corner

Yet your compass has four cardinal points!?

mhmsadyq:
While, you remain in your arrogance.

Continue arguing about what you don't want to know.

Did Allah not speak to Dhul-Qarnayn?

compton11:
wait,is it only water that existed in where he went?

Why are u arguing ignorantly?

Qur'an 18:86
Until, when
1. he reached the setting of the sun,
2. he found it [as if] setting in a spring of dark mud, and
3. he found near it a people.
4. Allah said, "O Dhul-Qarnayn, either you punish [them] or else adopt among them [a way of] goodness."

According to Allah Dhul-Qarnayn reached the setting of the sun.
Where is this setting place?

According to Allah, Dhul-Qarnayn FOUND the sun setting in a SPRING of dark mud
If Allah can make this blunder: can he be God?

According to Allah, Dhul-Qarnayn found the setting sun and dark mud beside a people.
Where is this place on the earth? Is there really a setting place of the sun?

compton11:
where did Allah said that earth is flat

I said that Allah did not know that the earth is NOT flat. If he had known this, Allah would not have said that Dhul-Qarnayn saw the setting place of the sun.

compton11:
Earth is flat sounds like Bible stuff not Quran

Revelation 7:1
After this I saw four angels standing at the four corners of the earth, holding back the four winds of the earth to prevent any wind from blowing on the land or on the sea or on any tree

Isaiah 11:12
C
He will raise a banner for the nations and gather the exiles of Israel; he will assemble the scattered people of Judah from the four quarters of the earth

Till tomorrow, we use the four cardinal points of the earth even scientifically. The four cardinal point is not assuming that the earth is flat.

mhmsadyq:
These are stale arguments that have been trashed.

Remain in your ignorance rather than asking questions!

People asked Mohammed about Dhul-Qarnayn (believing that he does not know the answer). Rather than Allah correcting what the Jews and the Arabians know about Dhul-Qarnayn, Allah repeated the same old wives tales to them AND

Allah told them that he even spoke to Dhul-Qarnayn when he met the people in the muddy waters where the sun set.

Was Dhul-Qarnayn a real person or a fictional character?

compton11:
Cc: TenQ

These two pictures are the examples of how it looked in the eyes of dhul qurnain

And Dhul-Qarnayn found a people there?
How different is that picture from the normal horizon?

Sorry dear. Allah doesn't know that the earth is not flat!

compton11:
why did u mark the "as if " statement as rubbish?

"AS IF" doesn't exist anywhere in the Arabic

compton11:
u are looking at it already
''وجدها''

وجدها means FOUND IT

compton11:
He (dhul qurnain) see it as if,Allah never said sun settle in muddy water.

Allah said exactly whaynDhul Qurnain saw. The sun setting in muddy waters.

وجدها

compton11:
So u mean Allah will tell us where sun is settling by using dhul qurnain story?
That is pathetic.

Yes. As pathetic as it sounds for someone who truely doesn't know

compton11:
did the Ayah said sun setting in that place?

Yes!
Because Allah said Dhul Qurnain saw a people there. Did Allah not say this?

compton11:
did Allah said sun set in muddy water?

Yes.
Because Allah was reporting about Dhul-Qarnayn. Check ayah 83. Allah volunteeredbto tell Mohammed about Dhul-Qarnayn

compton11:
what that means?

Allah said Dhul-Qarnayn met a people beside the muddy waters

compton11:
what is that has to with the Post?

Did Allah not instruct Dhul-Qarnayn on what to do with the people?

compton11:
I don't understand this your grammar

Be feigning ignorance!
Allah could boastfully describe Dhul-Qarnayn's story because he doesn't know better.

compton11:
hehehehe Hadith from Abu dhar concerning sun from prophet Muhammed


It is narrated on the authority of Abu Dharr that the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) one day said:

Do you know where the sun goes? They replied: Allah and His Apostle know best. He (the Holy Prophet) observed: Verily it (the sun) glides till it reaches its resting place under the Throne. Then it falls prostrate and remains there until it is asked: Rise up and go to the place whence you came, and it goes back and continues emerging out from its rising place and then glides till it reaches its place of rest under the Throne and falls prostrate and remains in that state until it is asked: Rise up and return to the place whence you came, and it returns and emerges out from it rising place and the it glides (in such a normal way) that the people do not discern anything ( unusual in it) till it reaches its resting place under the Throne. Then it would be said to it: Rise up and emerge out from the place of your setting, and it will rise from the place of its setting. The Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said. Do you know when it would happen? It would happen at the time when faith will not benefit one who has not previously believed or has derived no good from the faith

Sahih Muslim 159 a

You seem not to understand the implications of these hadiths. It Means that the throne of Allah is in our solar system. We can locate where Allah is within the solar axis of the sun. Meaning that Allah is a physical being that is so small that the sun goes under and over him and...

I'm ashamed!

compton11:
Both the Hadith never said the sun settle in the muddy water

The hadith is not about murky waters but about the limitations of Allah! And the ignorance of Mohammed if the hadith came from him.

1. Does the sun have a resting place? (The resting place must be the throne of Allah)
2. Does the sun ever remain static at any point? (Under the throne of Allah)

2dominate:
Ofcourse because it's a prayer every one knows, i know it and its not a surah,
Please look for something else to say.

And the prayers like Al-Fathia is in Ubayy bin Kab's codex of the Qur'an?

Do you even know how important Ubayy bin Kab is to the Qur'an?

Note:
Both ALLAH and MOHAMMED attested to Ubayy bin Kab. How come his name is not part of Uthman's codex of the Qur'an?

KnownUnknown:
7000 years of headstands in Tartarus is your lot. You better pray to me for forgiveness.

Time ALWAYS speaks!
Wait for it!

HellVictorinho4:
He thinks you're wrong about ......


Well, I can see you're also in support of the misfortune of your children except your post is not towards blaming me for anything.


Nigeria's government must be uselessly condemnable if it will ensure the enforcement of the sewage certain bastards MEAN about me despite that we've only met on Nairaland.

Ive not really said anything except that with time, the answer will be made plain howbeit, with its consequences!

Time ALWAYS speak!

HellVictorinho4:
He(Ten....Q) refuses to ask , seek and knock towards understanding .....he doesn't have an effective understanding of these matters .....the writing in the Bible is not being effectively understood by him ... I think he should ask Buda who knows the intention of the writers of the Bible.....Buda even knows what the writers wrote mistakenly..... MaXin D House can invite members of the Jehovah's witnesses to testify to these things.



That's for them.


As for you,I think you should never have done certain things some time ago.

I can only smile with a chuckle!
Time always speaks!

Cc: KnownUnknown:

compton11:
a'ight,ok



hehehehe I know one Hadith like that but it ain't reliable






ok let me use the same method for u.

TenQ is traveling on the highway during the hot sun and TenQ see as if water is on the highway from afar.


Does that means water is on the water,for the fact that it looks like that?




what u talking about?

Let's solve the ambiguity

1. Qur'an 18:83
And they ask you, [O Muhammad], about Dhul-Qarnayn. Say, "I will recite to you about him a report."


People especially the Jews knew about the person called Dhul-Qarnayn and they were questioning Mohammed about Him. Allah says HE WILL recite to Mohammed the Report of what happened
From here we have no dispute about who was narrating the history of Dhul-Qarnayn



2. Qur'an 18:84
Indeed We established him upon the earth, and We gave him to everything a way.

Allah says He (Allah), gave Dhul-Qarnayn EVERY power and title upon the earth. And this is very okay for Allah to say.


3. Quran 18:85
So he followed a way

Allah is reporting that Dhul-Qarnayn followed a way (on earth);
There is no problem with this as everyone travels on earth



4. Qur'an 18:86
Until, when he reached the setting of the sun, he found it [as if] setting in a spring of dark mud, and he found near it a people. Allah said, "O Dhul-Qarnayn, either you punish [them] or else adopt among them [a way of] goodness."

Allah says that the way Dhul-Qarnayn followed led him to a place where
1. He reached the setting of the sun (the place must be very far westward)
2. Dhul-Qarnayn found the sun setting in a Spring of dark mud.
3. He also found a people at this place of dark mud where the sun sets.
4. Allah then speaks to Dhul-Qarnayn to either convert then to doing good or punish them.

Here is the Arabic of ayah 86, show me where the phrase "AS IF" is written. Google Translate is your friend.

1. Is there a place on earth that is the setting of the sun?
2. Is there a place on earth with dark muddy waters where the sun appears to set?
3. Did Dhul-Qarnayn also APPEARS to see a people near this murky waters?
4. If this wasn't real, did Allah tell a lie by saying that he instructed Dhul-Qarnayn To either convert the people to goodness or punish them?

If you can truthfully and honestly answer these questions:
Doesn't these show that Allah has never seen the both the earth and sun from space before?




Here is a hadith that confirms this

[Sahih Bukhari Volume 4, Book 54, Number 421]

Narrated Abu Dhar:

The Prophet asked me at sunset, "Do you know where the sun goes (at the time of sunset)?" I replied, "Allah and His Apostle know better." He said, "It goes (i.e. travels) till it prostrates Itself underneath the Throne and takes the permission to rise again, and it is permitted and then (a time will come when) it will be about to prostrate itself but its prostration will not be accepted, and it will ask permission to go on its course but it will not be permitted, but it will be ordered to return whence it has come and so it will rise in the west. And that is the interpretation of the Statement of Allah: "And the sun Runs its fixed course For a term (decreed). that is The Decree of (Allah) The Exalted in Might, The All-Knowing."

julie90:
I have been working for this company for two years. In December 2021, there was a change in management, a new manager was assigned to my Department. Before the change in management, I applied for some jobs in November 2021 but I didn't get any response.

Things between my new manager and I developed really quickly (he is not married and he is 10 years older than me). Although we have been working together, when he became the new manager we started dating. it was mutual, it wasn't like he forced me. We liked each other and we started dating in March 2022. We kept things professional in the office. Nobody in the office knows about this even till now.

Those companies I applied to in November 2021 reached out to me for an interview. I got two offers at the same time. Both offers come with great pay (similar to what my boyfriend currently earns) and a significant boost to my career. I spoke to my boyfriend about it and being my boss he told me to reject both offers, he told me he would be able to cater for my needs that the only commitment he has now is paying for his house and once he is done paying for it, he would have more money to take care of me and I didn't need a job where they would pay me what he's currently earning and be in a role similar to his.

I told him it's not the money but it would be about moving up the ladder in my career. These are offers people do not have, now I have two, he is asking me to reject them. He told me even if I have to move the only offer I should take is the one close to the company where we work which has a lower pay compared to the second offer. I told him I would go with the second offer which has more opportunities for me. Both offers are in the same state although my preferred offer is a bit far from where I live but it is still a reasonable location to commute everyday. At one point he told me, I was too ambitious and I took it as a compliment.

I noticed he changed since then, he informed the company management that I was leaving and we began the handover process, I noticed he changed after we had the discussion about me accepting the second offer but I thought it was about him missing me. May 31 was my last day and I noticed few days to my last day he was acting strange so I asked him what the matter was. He said he doesn't feel anything for me and we should stop seeing each other.

This is a man that was really excited when we were dating, all of a sudden doesn't feel anything for me because I got a high paying job? Is it wrong for a woman to be ambitious? When has it become a crime for a woman to aim high in her career? My role will still be to support him. I have never been rude to him and I am not going to be rude to him because we now earn the same salary. I really like him and I feel disappointed that he could act this way.

Is it now a crime for a woman to be ambitious?

Flee for your life. Any man that is afraid of his wife's success will become TOXIC in the marriage relationship. The only thing that would please them is when you are body, soul, spirit, material dependent on them.

Rejoice and move forward.

Honourable1901:
This baba is too arrogant and proud ..and that's the beginning of his downfall..you no be God ,even if God has used you as a destiny helper ,all this talk talk and threat no necessary.

Nigeria president isn't a compensation platform

Yoruba Muslims sell the West for crumbs to the Fulani Oligarchy thinking that they would be rewarded for their betrayal. Tinubu is learning that the consensus candidate is NOT him.

I hope others like him are learning

compton11:
and y'all find the error and u didn't see it



topic has been changed and I know where u are going


hehehe the verse never sun set in the muddy water bro .

Allah was telling us about the story of a man called dhul qurnain when he travelled to far west but when he reached there he saw the sun if it set in the muddy water,dhul qurnain saw it like that,Allah never said sun set in muddy water.

Something like that also used to happen to us when we are traveling on highway during the sun,we always see as if water is on the highway but when we reached nearer, there won't be something like that.

The topic did not change, I'm only questioning the source of the Qur'an.
Allah told us what Dhul Qurnain saw, didn't he?
Even the Hadiths confirm that the sun set into the waters.

If you insist on your views, we can look at the text together and see that it was the belief of Allah! Allah's apostle testified where the sun went at sunset, didn't he?

You see, there are things that only Allah and his apostle know.

mhmsadyq:
I expected this from you.

When a christian asks a question, 98% of the time, he has his answer before asking.

Anyways, i have answered you as a Muslim.

You can choose to remain with the answer from those christian anti-islam website, dat na your tohro!

You gave an answer which still did not explain the standard Islamic Narrative of the Qur'an being WORD for WORD identical up to the diacritical marks with the Qur'an received by Mohammed.

Your explanations just explained WHERE the differences came from.

Of course, when a Christian has a question, he already has information about the answer. All he needs a a superior answer/argument.

For instance, when Muslims say the Qur'an is the Verbatim words of Allah, I need a reasonable answer to justify the Al-Fathia as the word of God. I also wonder why Allah had to tell the narrative in Qur'an 18:83-86. I need reasonable logical answers beyond the standard Narratives.

2dominate:
Learn properly before you spill gibberish please,
Everyone wants to attack islam and even without knowledge.

Did I invent Surat al-khal and
Surat al-Hafd?