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compton11:
where is it written in the Bible that the man escape?

So why DO YOU THINK the Jews did not ALSO bring the man?

Here was what Jesus said to the woman

John 8:10-11:
"When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said to her, Woman, where are those your accusers? has no man condemned you? She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said to her, Neither do I condemn you: go, and sin no more."

Why would Jesus tell the woman to go and SIN NO MORE if she was totally INNOCENT?


Only Muslims get irritated by LOVE to God and to Humanity. Their joy would have been that Jesus authorised the KILLING of the WOMAN so that they can JUSTIFY the law of Mohammed on killing adulterers!

compton11:
that means Jesus know the woman didn't committed adultery,they just want to test Jesus, right?

No sir!
The woman was caught in Adultery BUT they let the man escape. Their hypocrisy does not mind executing judgement on the woman alone

They were not testing Jesus.
John 8:3:
"But the scribes and the Pharisees brought a woman who had been caught in adultery . After setting her before them,"


They want to unleash jungle justice on the woman in hypocricy

compton11:
yinmu

The man that the woman committed adultery with wasn't there,why?

I don't know what you are getting at
Jesus saw through the hypocrisy of the Jews who brought out the woman for judgement!
Where is the man?

Same with the hypocrisy of even modern Muslims. When Deborah was slaughtered, did they present the proof of her blasphemy before her? No! Hearsay was enough! The religion of peace and lies !

compton11:
where is the man she did adultery with?

Abi na only women be dinner when it comes to adultery?

Jesus saw through their hypocrisy!
Where is the man?

But Jesus showed the dimension of God with respect to the law. The interest of God is a changed live not just obedience to the law.
"Go and sin no more "!

AntiChristian:
But....

Did the Bible call that lady a prostitute?

I mean did she collect any fee for her service?

You just quote the verse that approves sin for all and also stopped punishment for sinners.

The offence:

"Teacher, this woman was caught in the act of adultery. In the Law Moses commanded us to stone such women. Now what do you say?"

TimmyTen:
I give it to the north sha, they speak with one mind which is a major political advantage while the southerners are disunited, double standards, hypocritical. If the different tribes in the south, the igbos, ijaws, yorubas refuse to put aside tribal and ethnic sentiments,the northerners will always carry out their schemes.

The North vote with respect to these values in order
1. Is he Fulani?
2. Is he a Muslim?
3. Is he from the Core North?
4. Is he Capable and Experienced ?
They easily band up with respect to these values because 80% of prominent northern politicians in any party are Fulani by tribe.

The South of Nigeria don't vote by Religion and they have no United front as per Tribe. Many can even sell their mothers to get electoral powers!

4four:
most this southerners are so shameless, Check the name of those influencers that are promoting Buhari, Saraki down to Atiku they are mostly southerners but you will hardly see any northern influencers promote any southerners. I think most of them have already give up on Nigeria, they just want to collect their own share of national cake and japa

I Agree with you. The southerners are looking forward to the next 4years but the northerners are looking forward to the next 12 years.

Let's see how this will play out with APC as they are in real trouble now.
1. Any northerner they pick has lost.
2. They cannot field Tinubu as Tinubu Vs Atiku is a walkover for PDP
3. GEJ will have a problem with the Northern Muslims against Atiku (Ordinarily, Muslims do not vote none Muslims). His single 4year term is a big issue. His lack of performance as president is another issue
4. PYO is the strongest contestant against Atiku, unfortunately, he is a Christian therefore most northern votes will still go to Atiku

5. The choice of a consensus candidate in APC will fragment APC. Most likely Tinubu will run the race in another party.

Creditalerts:
But the bitter truth is that atiku is the only candidate that can withstand APC Candidate. But is a pity we are recycling old garbage

Another Fulani!?
The South will never learn!

mhmsadyq:
Ok.

The attached video will do you some good


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2V73m8RPIIg

haekymbahd:
So reciting the Quran with different accent to you means there are other Qurans.

You are impling that when an Hausa man and a Yoruba Man recite the same verse of the Quran they are reciting different Quran because of their accent.

Sometimes accent might change the meaning of word when translated that is the main reason their are rules guiding the acceptance of this and not all Qiraat are accepted...


Don't get it twisted when we say christians are using different version of bible this is what Muslims mean read the preface of RSV bible and understand better to christians it is not a matter of accept but dubious translations translation..




Preface to the Revised Standard Version
(2nd ed., 1971)

The Revised Standard Version of the Bible is an authorized revision of the American Standard Version, published in 1901, which was a revision of the King James Version, published in 1611.

The first English version of the Scriptures made by direct translation from the original Hebrew and Greek, and the first to be printed, was the work of William Tyndale. He met bitter opposition. He was accused of willfully perverting the meaning of the Scriptures, and his New Testaments were ordered to be burned as “untrue translations.” He was finally betrayed into the hands of his enemies, and in October 1536, was publicly executed and burned at the stake.

Yet Tyndale’s work became the foundation of subsequent English versions, notably those of Coverdale, 1535; Thomas Matthew (probably a pseudonym for John Rogers), 1537; the Great Bible, 1539; the Geneva Bible, 1560; and the Bishops’ Bible, 1568. In 1582, a translation of the New Testament, made from the Latin Vulgate by Roman Catholic scholars, was published at Rheims.

The translators who made the King James Version took into account all of these preceding versions; and comparison shows that it owes something to each of them. It kept felicitous phrases and apt expressions, from whatever source, which had stood the test of public usage. It owed most, especially in the New Testament, to Tyndale.

The King James Version had to compete with the Geneva Bible in popular use; but in the end it prevailed, and for more than two and a half centuries no other authorized translation of the Bible into English was made. The King James Version became the “Authorized Version” of the English-speaking peoples.

The King James Version has with good reason been termed “the noblest monument of English prose.” Its revisers in 1881 expressed admiration for “its simplicity, its dignity, its power, its happy turns of expression ... the music of it cadences, and the felicities of its rhythm.” It entered, as no other book has, into the making of the personal character and the public institutions of the English-speaking peoples. We owe to it an incalculable debt.

Yet the King James Version has grave defects. By the middle of the nineteenth century, the development of Biblical studies and the discovery of many manuscripts more ancient than those upon which the King James Version was based, made it manifest that these defects are so many and so serious as to call for revision of the English translation. The task was undertaken, by authority of the Church of England, in 1870...

http://www.bible-researcher.com/rsvpreface.html

I hear you!
Arabic translations of the Qur'an into Arabic languages. The Qur'an indeed has been perfectly preserved word for word, diacritical marks for diacritical marks?

Please which of these Qurans is the exact dictated word of Allah?
Warsh, Hafs, or the other 30 Variants?
Note that each are called the Qur'an by their users and NOT translations as you will like us to believe. Even your Scholars admit that there are DIFFERENCES in these Qurans only that the differences are MINOR!

As long as there are differences, which one is the exact word of Allah?



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2V73m8RPIIg

mhmsadyq:
I still don't think you truely seek for knowledge.
You only seek for validation for your doubts in christianity.

There are many materials on youtube and other media, even on NL, questioning the christianity and it beliefs.
Do you agree with any of these damaging videos and literatures?

You were not part of my history, so how can you know?
If I had recited the Shahada then, would your conclusion still be this?
It's obvious to me that you've never read any of Ahmed Deedat's books. Why Should I want to become a Muslim to validate Christianity?
Does this statement of yours make meaning to you?

The flaws were obvious to me as I began to read the Qur'an: I was forced to slow down what would have been a hasty decision on my part. On my voyage to becoming a Muslim, the Qur'an sent me back to Christ !



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2V73m8RPIIg

wis3:
Like you were ever a Muslim to begin with Keep lying to yourself inugo

I was never a Muslim although I almost recited the Shahada! I never ever claimed to have been a Muslim.

Any one who cares for the truth will find it.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2V73m8RPIIg

wis3:
This clearly explains why alot of Christians are easily brainwashed by pastors. There are about 3billiion Muslims all over the world and you'd use Ahmed Deedat who wasn't even a Prophet the validate you claims Clearly you're just arguing for arguments sake

Your comprehension of English is Appalling!

Ahmed Deedat's books led me to Islam.
Reading the Qur'an by myself led me back to Christ. What could be more explicitly stated than that.

haekymbahd:
Uthman never added diacritical marks to his codex. He sent written Qurans to different provinces accompanied with Readers to teach the recitation of the Quran.

The Quran was eventually written down in each Qiraat of the readers he sent to teach the Quran which can be traced back to the prophet..


All of the accepted qirāʾāt follow three basic rules:
1. Conformity to the consonantal skeleton of the ʿUthmānic muṣḥaf.

2. Consistency with Arabic grammar.

3. Authentic chain of transmission.

Those qirāʾāt that fall short of these conditions are shādhdh (anomalous/irregular).




Any Arabic Quran that doesn't conform with this above are not accepted.

You are repeating the same thing all over again. It is NOT about whether you accept a Qur'an's rendition or not. It is about the fact that other Qur'ans are in existence.

This means that there are other Quranic scriptures unlike what the standard Islamic Narrative says.

The Islamic narratives say
The Qur'an is perfectly preserved down to the diacritical marks
.... Unlike the bible where you have KJV, NIV, NWT etc. The Qur'an is ONE.

The problem of you Muslims is even higher-up: your problem is selecting between Arabic Qurans based on some set rules than selecting between TRANSLATIONS still based on these rules.

My issue with Islam is that EVEN THOUGH your Scholars had known this TRUTH for ages, they kept on selling false narratives to the Muslim community!

The ease at which your scholars tell lies to promote Islam is disturbing. I once read up a hadith (I can't remember which one now, I would have posted it here) which was a watered down real rendition in Arabic. A native Christian Arab speaker brought it to my notice and on Google checking, he was correct and the translation was being deceptive. Can we defend God with lies? I can hardly trust English translations of either the Qur'an or the hadiths now. Sometimes I have to do word checks with Google translate. This in my opinion is a bad strategy for defending God.

mhmsadyq:
You aren't seeking for the truth.
You are seeking for information to win arguments online and on NL.
That, you will always find what suit your delusions.

[s]I don't need to tell lies in a faceless forum like this.
Moreover, deceit or deception is a very Serious sin especially if it is done in the name of God in Christianity. [/s]


Ahmed Deedat's books got me interested in Islam. I counted the cost. I knew my parents will be hurt if I converted into Islam BUT I knew that they would not disown me not stop paying my tution. My major problem thanks to Ahmed Deedat was Trinity. I wanted to serve God truly and then of it has to be Islam, so be it.

But thereafter, in seeking for for knowledge in Islam, I knew that so many things were wrong.

Islam truely sent me back to Christ!

haekymbahd:
The moment you realized the Quran was revealed orally to Muhammad and he wasn't given a book you doubt will become clear....

The written Quran was typed and you can't rule the fact that there may be typo error. The Quran is what is being recited and not what is written.

Your problem is that you think the Quran written down is the Quran revealed by Allah.

Quran itself means recitation and there are approved dialects and accents....

What Muslims are saying is that the Quran being recited today is the same as was being recited at the time of the prophet not what is written down...

No sir.
The reason why the memories of the Sahab could not be relied upon indefinitely was that many of those who had memorized the Qur'an were dying in jihad. Those who hadn't died were forgetting some ayahs and surahs. This necessitated the compilation of the Qur'an in written form.

The moment Uthman made a codex, the Qur'an ceased being a recitation to a written book.

The moment Uthman distributed the codex, it makes it final. Are there other recitations of the Qur'an you accept other than that which has been preserved in written form?

Typo error in the Qur'an?
I am surprised at you because you have deviated away from the standard Islamic Narrative. The standard Islamic Narrative believe that the Qur'an is perfect preserved to the last dot (unlike the bible). Anyway, small small we shall arrive at the whole truth!

wis3:
You brought about Zakir Naik and Late Ahmed Deedat. Are they the authors of the Quran? Are they one of Allah's prophets? Your arguments are invalid.

I told you about the Meaning of the Glorious Qur'an (as my first hardcopy English Qur'an which led me away from Islam)

I told you I read all the books of Ahmed Deedat!
Apparently, you didn't know Ahmed Deedat (a South African Muslim)

I assumed you will know Zakir Naik and I introduced him as a disciple of Ahmed Deedat!

You discountenanced the bolded which reported the version of the Qur'an I read to speaking about Ahmed Deedat and Zakir Naik AS IF I introduced them as writing the Qur'an. That is a DISHONEST attitude. A Taqqiyya on your part EXCEPT you can show where I connected either of them to the Qur'an.

Why did you not mention Marmaduke Pickthall, the author of the meaning of the glorious Qur'an?

Can you show where I connected either Ahmed Deedat or Zakir Naik to the Qur'an?

haekymbahd:
The Quran when uthman compounded it in one dialect didn't have the diacritical marks so it was open to several Qiraat/accents.

One thing you need to know is that the Quran was revealed orally and not in written form in a book so the prophet and his followers were only memorising it even though some were written down in various fragment but we're compiled in one place in a book. Which means the Quran is what is being recited and not what is written.

If two or more Muslims read your so called versions of the Quran you wouldn't detect the difference you will only detect it when you see it written down because the Quran was written down in the approved accents with diacritical marks


All of the accepted qirāʾāt follow three basic rules:
1. Conformity to the consonantal skeleton of the ʿUthmānic muṣḥaf.

2. Consistency with Arabic grammar.

3. Authentic chain of transmission.

Those qirāʾāt that fall short of these conditions are shādhdh (anomalous/irregular).

All this Qiraat has their chains traced to the prophet himself...

The old Hebrew DID not have diacritical marks and vowels too AND it did not result to different accents.

Even then, what you are saying is that errors came into the Qur'an because there were no diacritical marks. Such like as in Yoruba Language (Aja=dog, Aja=roof) are errors that came in because of lack of diacritical marks.

So, how can you then argue a changeless Qur'an when diacritical marks could change the meaning of words?


Ask natural Arab speakers, they will disagree with you on this

If two or more Muslims read your so called versions of the Quran you wouldn't detect the difference you will only detect it when you see it written down because the Quran was written down in the approved accents with diacritical marks

This is what your sheikhs sell to you because they assume you don't understand Arabic.

Christian Prince is of Arab dissent and he disgraces such narratives like this above.


But still yet, it exposed the standard Islamic Narrative that the Qur'an had been perfectly preserved even to the diacritical marks. We all now know that this is a FALSE statement.

You make it seem like the only problem is the diacritical marks: How about extra words?
Qur'an 57:24
Between Warsh and Hafs version, there is an extra word. (The meaning is not totally changed however, but there is an extra Word) where
According to Hafs=Allah is the self sufficient
According to Warsh=Allah the self Sufficient

SAME verse, two different meanings!

If there is just one extra word, the Qur'an cannot claim to be perfectly preserved to the diacritical marks!

wis3:
I didn't realize Zakir Naik wrote the Qur'an? Or that Ahmed Deedat was the prophet?

Taqqiyya is in your blood!
Why change topic?

wis3:
You seem to have a knack for getting wrong information. Get someone to lend you a copy of the Holy Qur'an. Hard copy oo..

I can only laugh at your mulish ignorance.

You asked me to get a Qur'an, and I told you my first English hardcopy Qur'an .

Reading the Qur'an took me away from Islam permanently.

I am sure you don't know Ahmed Deedat ? I read all his books then.

Dr Zakir Naik is a disciple of Ahmed Deedat.

The book you asked me to Read was what drove me away from Islam just as I was about reciting the Shahada.

Ask Questions!

haekymbahd:
Ahruf (dialect) is different from Qiraat (ways of reciting/accent) don't confuse the 2.

Uthman only made the Quran in one dialect and not Qiraat?


Uthman never circulated only the the Hafs version that is a false statement from you. But he circulated the Quran written in the dialect if the Quraysh (the tribe of the prophet).


All of the accepted qirāʾāt follow three basic rules:
1. Conformity to the consonantal skeleton of the ʿUthmānic muṣḥaf.

2. Consistency with Arabic grammar.

3. Authentic chain of transmission.

Those qirāʾāt that fall short of these conditions are shādhdh (anomalous/irregular).

All this Qiraat has their chains traced to the prophet himself...

Pets get the truth straight
1. Uthman collected the manuscripts of the Qur'an from Hafsah
2. He made sure a standard copy of the Qur'an was made in the Quraysh dialect
3. Uthman collected all other Variants of the Qur'an whether in full or in fragments and Burned them with fire
4. Copies of the standard Quran were distributed to Muslim communities.

If all these above are true
1. There must only exist in writing the Hafs Qur'an (because it is written down)
2. How you pronounce the words does not matter as the words remain the same as the original (only intonations can differ)
3. Therefore ways of recitations should not affect the written Qur'an (it is amazing how one Nigerian Muslim who thinks he speaks Arabic was almost humiliated by a man of Arab disent: his intonations were bad)


Now, the problems we have with the Qur'an is NOT how it is recited BUT how it is WRITTEN! Two different things.

Where did the other variants of the Published Qur'an come from?

Any change in the written text of the Qur'an to adjust to human pronunciation (as different from how Allah pronounced the word) is called EDITING.

Was the Qur'an edited?

wis3:
I'm sure you're getting all these theories from your YouTube links. I'd advice you find something someone to lend you a copy of the Quran. Try not to download it online because you'd probably just end up getting a doctored. Just like the fabricated YouTube links you have been posting

I can never forget my 200L years ago. I was almost reciting the Shahada! My first English Qur'an was the Meaning of the Glorious Qur'an by Marmaduke Pickthall. I was following Ahmed Deedat like a fly will follow a rotten corpse.

Everything came to a stop because I WAS READING the Qur'an. I saw so may irreconcilables! Unlike you Muslims who should not question the Qur'an, I asked questions and the answers fell flat. So many things were wrong and didn't add up.

The final blow was wrecked when I started reading the hadiths in the state library. I'm sure Arabian night stories could have done better.

So bro!
I've come a long way with Islam, the only difference is that unlike you, I just don't memorise, I ask questions!

On my phone, I have at least five or six Qur'an Apps. The more you seek the truth, the farther it will lead you away from Islam.

Sorry bro to disappoint you!

wis3:
spamming

Why dodge the question as if you are blind?

Tongue tied?

Uthman destroyed every variant Qur'an and preserved and circulated only the one from the Quraysh dialect. Where are the several Dialects of the Qur'an from?

This narrative was used to defend why there exist only one Arabic Quran in the world. Any answer?

wis3:
I stopped taking you seriously the minute you started posting excerpts from YouTube . The summary of all this is they're all written in Arabic. This can be likened some words in English where (Deceive/Decieve) both mean thesame thing but different spellings.

Lame excuses as I ALSO gave you at least TWO website links to read. But no! You've sealed up your mind against knowledge of the truth.

At least Muslims are agreeing that there are other Qurans BUT they are only DIALECTS!

If these are Dialects, then the narrative of perfectly preserved Quran down to the letter is deflated!

You've not answered this question o:

If Uthman destroyed ALL the variants of the Qur'an and circulated ONLY the Hafs version of the Qur'an, Where are these other Qurans coming from?
1. Did Uthman fail in his mission?
2. Did Uthman preserve the other 7 or 10 dialects?
2. Did the Hadiths lie about Uthman?

haekymbahd:
which topic is that there is only one Quran read with different accent. A Yoruba man and Hausa man are bound to speak English differently due to their accent will you now call that different versions.


@wis3 don't mind that guy he is only deluding himself.

Dialect is different from accent get that...

Muslims are not happy that their standard narratives is being bursted.

Muslims are like:
Don't confuse me with the truth as I have made up my mind.

It's okay to feel as you are feeling except that this should make you to ASK RELEVANT QUESTIONS and beware of what you take at face value.

If Uthman destroyed ALL the variants of the Qur'an and circulated ONLY the Hafs version of the Qur'an, Where are these other Qurans coming from?
1. Did Uthman fail in his mission?
2. Did Uthman preserve the other 7 or 10 dialects?
2. Did the Hadiths lie about Uthman?


Any way you look at your narratives, there are still questions begging for answers!

wis3:
These are all assertions you deduced from YouTube links of some of the people trying to screw with your mind. The Qur'an is one and the message is thesame. Anyone can fabricate pretty much anything and post them online I'd assume you know this already.

I've given you a non YouTube website if you will read.

https://friendlyexmuslim.com/holes-in-the-quran-textual-variants-and-lost-verses/


Again another YouTube site

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ax5S7Vg9-Yw

Here is a Muslim speaking on the same topic you refute vehimently


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DsikKJg4ETw

wis3:
there is no truth. It's just what you believe.

If you claim there is no truth, then I can understand why you are a Muslim!

Truth mean nothing to Muslims who can practice Taqqiyya as long as Islam is propagated

wis3:
Don't believe in everything you see on YouTube

That was why I first gave you a portion to read.

https://answering-islam.org/Green/seven.htm

I hope you will read the lengthy but scholarly material.

wis3:
Critics who'd want to throw you into confusion sadly, they've succeeded with you

Critics must have an identity!

Who fabricated them? Christians!?

When?
How?
Where?

These Qurans are in use in Sudan, Morocco, Syria, are different. Most of North African Muslims use the Warsh Qur'an instead of the Hafs Qur'an.

If Uthman destroyed all the other variants of the Qur'an except the Hafs, were are all these "different recitations" coming from? by now ALL alternate dialects should not exist or did Uthman preserve all the 30 plus Qur'ans?


Just ask questions: you will find the truth

wis3:

The greatest weakness of Muslims is that they don't ask questions


Ask questions and Study: you shall surely find ANSWERS that leads to the TRUTH!

wis3:
you bore me. These fabricated books like you mentioned earlier are only meant to leave you wallowing in confusion like it's doing now. There are millions of opinions on YouTube and everyone is entitled to one.

Fabricated Qurans!?
Who fabricated them? Christians!?

When?
How?
Where?

Just ask questions: you will find the truth

wis3:
I'm not even aware of these fabrications as you call them but if they do exist. They are fabrications. The Arabic alphabets are thesame, the way the Qur'an is recited is thesame everywhere in the world. Which brings me to why we shouldnt have multiple versions of a particular thing because it brings up the question of which is the authentic and which is not

That is exactly why I asked you to do your own research after watching each of the videos.

1. If by what Muslims say about when Mohammed is recieving recitations from Jubril, it is impossible that seven different dialects would be dictated by Mohammed for his followers to memorize.

2. The narrative of the "perfectly preserved Qur'an down to the dots" is punchored by the existences of these other Arabic Qurans.

3. Your sheikhs and imams seem to know about these but it baffles me that they sold a wrong narrative to Muslims until the bubble began to burst.

Ask questions and Study: you shall surely find ANSWERS that leads to the TRUTH!