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Ok back here has anyone proven the existence of god substantially?

Who can we trust? We provide security for ourselves, electricity same, health same

Jubilee Estate ikorodu 23.5hrs.

Sawmill region before laspotech ikorodu 18hrs


Since I've been around for the past two months I think my small generator only uses N1,500 for every two day 2.5kva gen. One time it was doing 8pm to 5am daily. Cos there was like guaranteed electricity from say 8am to 6pm. So that the business people in my area could work the sawmillis

The 5kva I dont gauge. But this powers everything + a/c

Damn, na Ibadan Oyo English be this I guess. But I heard they're very good at working mathematics and physics. But nothing about write-ups and essays.

If its well done maybe. But I've seen a lot of terrible movies that I dont even ever bother to watch them and dont let my kids watch them. Nigerian movies are too negative. Poor language use, bad scripts , bullsh.it, same actors , copy cat, and most of this people are not even educated and didn't really or never learned the trade from any art institution. Just wuruwuru to the answer

When you are educated you are a new being , else you just let your parents waste all the money spent on education if you are going to keep believing some people from 2000 years ago and what they believed in. Why did you go to school then.

@ClareMont - they're educated but chose to wear the hat of ignorance/religion over knowledge and liberation of the mind.

sexkillz:
I guess you missed the part where he also said that he is a[b] MUSLIM! And NOT an ATHEIST![/b] Neither does he want to be "identified" as an ATHEIST! So, if u ask me, i'll still say YOU ARE ALONE! Damn! who called you wise? 

How the 4uck does a non-religious person be muslim? Must you categorize me in a religion? Must you?

Well the topic should have been "Christians, does our God approve Dating?" And not throwing the topic to muslims, atheist, naturalist, pagans, and everyone else together. That way a lot of people wont have bothered to look into the thread.

And on definition of LOVE this is what I will put to you:

Love is a false illusive state of mind, often misunderstood for sex or lust, which is real. Sex is real and true - physically and emotionally, because you truely know it when you are having sex, unlike the doubtful state of love, which basically depends on denied mutual benefits between two or more partners. And in some cases preference or likeness for a particular partner could be seen as something special, which is sometimes interpreted to being in-love with the preferred one. In a nutshell when there is nothing mutual to share there is no LOVE, just sentiments that wears out later.

I'm not a deist neither do I want to be identified as an atheist; but I dont believe in relgions, love, trust -- they're just elements of mass manipulation.

sexkillz:
Where did you find out about Moses, Since you dont Believe a WORD the BIBLE SAYS?
.And who says which society idea is right; there is no standard to base in a majority rule. Another point to bring it home is, why does every sane person have a conscience, even when it is not dictated by society?

1. Well according to the No 1 best selling fictional books of all time "The Holy Bible" There was a Moses that lived way long ago before Jesus. And who logically is not Christian. And insome ways I can proof he may not be worshiping the same God as Jesus. Or he's idea's where more old school in practice of worship with God. Because Jesus had to upgrade the worship patterns.

2. Then who tells you that the society idea of the old Israelite's or the Hebrews are right? This is 2011! How could you be living in the past and want progress? How could you believe in people that taught God was behind the cloud? I tell you buy an airline ticket for Moses and see how is views about God will change. People that taught the earth was plane? That taught wind blowing was the devil farting? That taught earthquakes was when God was angry? That taught God erased the whole earth with flood. But knowledge as come and we now know that flood happens occasionally but never throughout the earth! They where isolated. Imagine what it would be like in the olding days if the Tsunami happened to some set of people? People that almost taught there where the only ones in the world. The list is endless.

You dont have the disease and you expect the cure men!

What is logic? Logic is the formal systematic study of the principles of valid inference and correct reasoning. Logic is used in most intellectual activities, but is studied primarily in the disciplines of philosophy, mathematics, semantics, and computer science. Logic examines general forms which arguments may take, which forms are valid, and which are fallacies.

What is truth? Truth has a variety of meanings, such as the state of being in accord with a particular fact or reality, or being in accord with the body of real things, real events or actualities.[1] It can also mean having fidelity to an original or to a standard or ideal. In a common archaic usage, it also meant constancy or sincerity in action or character.

Whose truth is right? A logical truth (also called an analytic truth or a necessary truth) is a statement which is true in all possible worlds[42] or under all possible interpretations, as contrasted to a fact (also called a synthetic claim or a contingency) which is only true in this world as it has historically unfolded.

Are truth and logic material? They are proof-able intangibles and God is not!

Can you see it? I can show evidence of Truth and Logic. But you can't show evidence of your gods

To claim logic you must determine what determines logic or who? Now tell Me! -- Read up

Also prove how EVIL can exist without the DEVIL! Undecided Undecided C'mon Papy! -- I can decide to take a gun and shoot you which in the eyes of the law is EVIL and ILLEGAL without the devil's intervention. It just for me to plan and carry out the plan ,  and I dont have to blame the devil for my actions like Nigerians do

NOW HOLD IT RIGHT THERE PAPY! Undecided

A true atheist can never say something is bad or wrong, to say so this implies they must know what is good or right. That is where they use Christian values to define their beliefs in the lack of values and the bible or God. To put it simple bad can only exist when there is first good i.e. rust can exist on a car, moth-ridden clothes need clothes. Evil can only exist where there is good, Christians can tell what is bad because we know what is good. Atheists do not have that luxury because their words are always subjective and an absolute that can never be reached.

If you know nothing about the BIBLE because you dont BELIEVE in IT! GO AND HAVE A DRINK! Undecided

You still dont understand!!!! Damn! You dont need the bible or Christianity to know whats good or right in the eyes of law or logic!!!! Damn must Christianity be brought into all things? Do you know what Christianity means? It simply means living life like Jesus your Christ!!! 4uck it!! Do you know Moses wasn't Christian? Because them never born Jesus that time self!!! And people have been able to judge and tell what is good for the society. The society you live in mostly determines your moral values! I'm so pissed at why some people are misleading people on forums like this. I'll report you to moderator oh!

Ok do you know Evil can exist without the DEVIL (As the devil doesn't exist neither do the gods) ? The human mind is very complex and capable of doing all sorts of things. Which makes your argument about your gods being able to know everything omniscience, omnipotence fraud! Because your gods can not know the next thing I may type on this thread.

Let LOVERS do whatever they are pleased with as long as they are not breaking the rules of their society that may put them in JAIL. I rather WORSHIP THE GOVERNMENT as the GODS of TODAY! But then they're super corrupt just as any profit driving organization is , and so is the church.

pendo89:
spit the bones and move on.I just learnt not to carry things personally.We are not Jesus you know.Forward such silly stuff to Him and let Him take care of that.
Engaging is useless and tiring,

I hope you are not mistaken that cool guy Jesus with God. Though the bible in someways make some believe Jesus is God again or that he was the Word blah blah. If anybody's got God's email or some contact tell him there are more pressing issues he should intervene in like the famine in East Africa. Not about two lovers about to kiss. Please send God to South Sudan he's needed urgently! He should cry , i even heard when he weeps that's when rainfalls on the earth they need is tears in East Africa.

I think you should all see this thread. The Invention of God by Man https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-717015.0.html

Especially sexkillz

@BeyNC

WRONG! God cannever and cannot be too busy to attend to a matter of importance as imorality. I dont think u know much about God. His words clearly sounds warnings against Imorality and what he is going to those who unrepentantly indulge in it.
On the topic, [b]God approves of dating becos he united the first husband and wife [/b]and so mariage shud occur between two persons who must have been familiar with themselves and this is where datng   comes in.  What is Very important is that the  people involve should remain chaste in the relationship till they discover whether they are suitable for each other and legally   maried .

Nope you are wrong! God was jealous and angry according to the bible. He was angry when he found out Adam and Eve already had se.x and already united themselves :p I think devil united the first couples. Because the devil 4ucked Eve first and then Eve liked it and asked Adam to come taste the apple too. Maybe God wished he was first to 4uck Eve.

Well since God is the math and codes behind the endless possibilities of the universe; he wouldn't give a 4uck if you kissed and s.exed as its just part of the possibilities. Its the humans that care - the parents of your girlfriend would care because they dont want there daughter pregnant etc. Your society cares people dont want you misusing there tax payers money :p , Not the 4ucking gods.

The gods are just human imagination that some people have been brainwashed to worship and be obsessed about. You will know more peace and success once you delete this imaginary friend from your psych! So do as you wish with your girlfriend after all you probably plan to spend the rest of your life with such person. So dont let no invisible fairies dictate what you will do with your life. And you dont need imaginary friends to know whats good or bad judgement. Live life to the fullest and enjoy it -

Lol people are speaking for God :p , cant you invite him to the thread? What a passive god

This one na innocent buyer for computer village. I guess thats why I dont ever buy fairly used items in Nigeria or anywhere self

Nice, this will make us visa denied more free to USA

Dont know which is most traumatizing but growing up in Naija alone is trauma

- When I was a kid I was playing with my fingers in my nose , for so long that the two round stuff in the nostrils i pulled them out, returned them back with blood on my hands then fainted/passed out. (Put my mama for wahala)

- When we moved to our new house and still lots of bush in the area and we where like the first house living in the middle of nowhere lol. Was sleeping and a scorpion bite me! taught it was a big ant but the pain was so much i screamed like a mofo looked around killed the scorpion with super aggressor. Still same house some part where still under construction and logs of wood fell on me. Last fucking big cobra that was killed later there damn! I always just imagine such snake coulda attacked while asleep. Though it was killed at noon. Big long sh.t

- One early morning at Ikorodu garage a young man strangled to death (I can tell he was strangled by how his neck was turned in reverse) I still always remember this whenever I go through ikorodu round about. And numerous fresh accidents in Lagos. Remember when dead bodies would last weeks and be smelling back in the military times?

- One time going to school OAU say 2001. Saw this guy laying on the floor at ibadan i think he had an accident and was still breathing but nobody attended to him. Something happened I came around 3days later and he was still there super starved and all. And the next time I passed I saw he's corpse

- I was traveling by road to Lagos to Owerri. I missed the first executive bus but on getting to Ore found the bus I missed with all the passengers dead + driver. Very ugly incident. People we where together at the travel station/bus park. And on coming back from that 4ucking trip we was robbed NIGHT BUS Owerri > Lagos. But The armed robbers had enough before they got to the luxurious bus I was in and it was almost day break say 6am. Robbery been on since say 3am

- 1 or 2 occasion of police brutality. And numerous extortion. When I see Nigerian police my heart skips. I'm always afraid of their big guns. I feel safer whenever abroad and dont feel the same with with the police I've seen elsewhere. They keep their pistols in the holster.

- When I fell from a story building.

- Helping my uncle move corpse of his little son from hospital all by myself while pretending to be carrying a life kid outta the place so people dont be looking with too much amebo eye. Lastly my dad's corpse like the only time I wept for any dead person.

Where was I ?

@jenifa

pls use your brain when comparing Nigeria to SA. apartheid just only ended in 1994 for christsake. who knows, maybe the blacks there are wishing for apartheid to come back. Nigerians are wishing for colonization to come back afterall. we black people have the worst slave mentality i've come across.

You must be dumb to have made that comment. Did I say that the British should come back? How the hell does my comment gotta do with the bullshit you just posted up there? I said the 4ucking robbed us blind and had no future plans for us like they did with SA knowing that they had no intentions of leaving SA they built it to suit themselves!

Start lobbying becoming the next speaker of house and steal more than Bankole; thats just the easiest way I can help you with.

Imagine there was food inspector well the briticos robbed us blind if you would compare SA to NG in the 60's. Though they built SA so well like they didn't wanna leave there. They had no future plans for Nigeria

According to the bible they where 12 inner circle disciples or apostles. Jesus Crisis disciples where in multitude a lot of them. Anyone that listen and obeyed is doctrines is a disciple. Any follower of the man Jesus. Not everyone was an apostle but the apostles where disciples too

If you do believe in supernatural forces I will be glad if you can proof it. This is the technology race and a new age and time. We can't be thinking backward any longer. Gone are the days that anyone should believe in spirits. Now its totally science and technology. Respects to all the innovative scientist (gods of science)

alstarmayo:
@op do u believe there is satan?

If there are no gods how will the evil god devil exist? Be logical. And people lie against the devil a lot. Its the devil work blah blah

@Sweetnecta

There is no point for argument back and forth on the forum. All I'm challenging you to do as a deist is to proof the existence of your god. If he doesn't have a computer get his address and DHL him a net-book with a connection , so he can talk for himself or something. Or do a seminar and invite him to be a guest speaker.

You believe in DEVIL to? And if God is Holy who invented EVIL? Or what is the ORIGIN of EVIL? And is the Devil to powerful for him to handle? Or maybe they where both gods that created everything. And God wanted all the credits of creation (remember he's a jealous person); which made devil revolted. Devil was like we created all this things together and you want them to worship only you? No way! I'm revolting with my own staffs. Maybe the devil probably knew the truth and had se.x with Eve first to show her that life is more than ignorance. I hope you didn't believe it was apple they eat in the middle of the garden?

Knowing well that the bible didn't want to be X-rated on that part. Everybody should have known by now that the middle of the garden is the pu.s.sy the garden is the pubic hair. And devil must have been the first to 4uck Eve. Then Adam! Do you know there are rare twins occurrence? Where the twins are of different father? Maybe Cain and Abel was lol.

Uyi Iredia:
I do not think man invented God. It would not have withstood the test of time if so.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meme

Read that thats how it was in circle for so long. Not that it withstood any test of time.

What if GOD was woman? And men just dont wanna admit as its as always been a man's world. But its more logical for god to be an hermaphrodite. Although God is an intangible spirit in many religions and therefore is believed to have no gender. In Islam  it is considered blasphemy for Allah to be placed in a human or animal sexual gender category. Allah is most often referred to with the pronouns Hu or Huwa, and although these are commonly translated as him, they can also be translated gender-neutrally, as it. Qur'an 112:3–4 states: "He begets not, nor is He begotten. And none is like Him [It]." which insome ways could mean he's genderless or a HE.  But I can tell for sure that the God in the bible is masculine according to the scriptures

Even in the bible that guy ([b]Lot [/b]if I can remember) that said he's daughters gave him wine and they slept with him. I would like to believe he raped them after getting drunk which is more plausible than the twisted story of a woman raping him. But due to superiority men had in those days I believe his story will be the approved one and the story will of-course be in his favor.

The invention of God by MAN

Has anyone ever wondered why Man created GOD in his own image? Or which really is the blunder? IF the blunder was God creation of Man (because he regretted it according to the bible) or Man creation of GOD. Though from what I could deduct from the bible man created God in his own image! Knowing fully well none of the authors of the scripture met this imaginary God one or one than to picture a super-being according to their limited imaginations at the time of writing the scriptures.

I think this is the first thing we should consider before really going into the religions that later sprung up after the believe in the man in the sky. Though I will like to agree that the invention of God have been to some extent helpful to the human race i.e in civilization and union of human societies or communities from time to time. But still the same as caused wars and conflicts. Imagine what Moses would say today if he was able to fly in an airplane and found out there was nobody behind the clouds lol.

Men created God back when they couldn’t find answers for simplest things like gravity. Everything we know about God has been told to us by fellow human beings. It is bound to be filtered and colored by human perceptions. It will also be shaped by the motives of those who do the telling.

Some people take the Bible to be the literal word of God, and Mohamed claimed to have written down direct dictation from Allah, these claims are only assertions of authority, backed by nothing outside themselves (the authors). We can choose to accept, or reject the claims. I reject the claims of divine authorship. As I can as well claim that this material I’m typing is being inspired divinely too!

Some people will be very sad at the discovery of their own child having imaginary friend; which is not far from what they do in the practice of religions themselves. Having to talk to invisible creatures they believe somewhat protects them. Who is actually passive until some coincidence happens and they give him credits for it. And give DEVIL credit for whatever seem to be evil to them. Because if you just got robbed the thieves will say “Thank God I didn’t get caught” and You will say ”Damn the devil remembered me today  “

It is perfectly awesome to have a God to set up a better morality into people if the fear of an invisible creature would put them on-check than the government system itself. As some people fear HELL which nobody has ever been to than the JAIL/justice system in place.

But if God already knows the future, then humanity is destined to corroborate with his knowledge of the future and not have true free will to deviate from it. Therefore our ‘free will’ contradicts an omniscient god. As it means that I can do things to SURPRISE God. Lol And Gawd will open is mouth and say HA!!!! Na Wa oh! Even him will say “God dey sha” because something must have created God and there will be God of Gods xxxxx …. ad infinitum.

My proofs that Man created GOD in their own image according to the bible are as follows:
- Jealousy (His ego doesn't allow competition and wants to be the only GOD, he kinda admits there are other gods then)
- Hatred /Discrimination / Racism (How he preferred Isrealites)
- Anger (He was mad at Adam and Eve for having sex) several occasion where he showed his anger
- Regret (when he regretted creating man means he’s not omniscient.)

Well in my conclusion I may hold an agnostic view that the lack of evidence that a God may exist doesn’t mean the later doesn’t exist. Or maybe it’s just still not proof-able at the moment and may later be proofed as human gain more knowledge about the matter of the Existence of God. But confidently I can argue that a God according to the existing mainstream scriptures is very implausible in its contradictory attributes. As it is logically impossible to have omnipotence, omniscience, omnipresence, transcendence and omnibenevolence in one package. This is logically contradictory, incomprehensible, or absurd, and therefore the existence of such a god is a priori false.

Can anybody get me a voodoo / juju ring that I can wear in my finger and go to the atm and slap the machine with so it will be vomiting real cash