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ayo84:
Like i said, i was expecting pro GEJ peeps to come here and increase the popularity of this thread.
No one is claiming ribadu is a saint,

GEJ is running his money with stolen funds, government money, the donations from high profiled people, we are running a people powered campaign,the masses have a stake and we are allowing them to contribute as little as 100 naira.
A new Nigeria is Possible. A new Nigeria is needed. A new Nigeria is every citizens right. Your vote is your conscience , the only time you can anonymously solicit for a change. Look for a candidate with a proven track record of delivery and a penchant of transparency and accountability. Do not be wooed by promises or fairytales. a Nigeria of tangibility is needed #TEAMRIBADU, let ure voice b heard

and we are simply allowing our voices to be heard with our donations.

Besides his personal and youthful factor.ACN as a political rendezvous has been outstanding.She has shown that security of its citizen and welfare for its people is primary.

Team Ribadu has presence in all 36 states and the FCT. Young men and women are doing Ribadu's campaign without pay. Some people have taken unpaid leave to do the work as well. I mean doctors, accountants, engineers going out pasting posters and converting people. You should join us. Let us own the campaign so we can claim ownership of the man when he wins. Let's donate, and become his defacto Godfather. He needs us; we need him. A 50:50 government. That is our revolution.


Team Ribadu, the people’s inspired, youth driven, flagship volunteer movement for the Nuhu Ribadu 2011 presidential bid.

In the days, weeks and months to come, we shall be listening to your views on how we can build a new Nigeria and sharing some of ours. We shall also be communicating our events and activities across the country, as well as promoting and supporting some of yours.

First, we want to know what your interests are and what you might be willing to contribute to the cause.

Remember, it is not just about Mallam Nuhu Ribadu; it’s also about you. Please send us your name, location, email address, phone number and interest by emailing volunteer@ribadu2011.com or SMS your full name, residential local government, state of residence, gender and email address to 32810 in this format: TRSMS Zainab Aliyu*Kumbotso*Kano*f*zainab@yahoo.com (Each SMS costs N30).

We need your support. We are interested in your ideas. Email teamribadu@ribadu2011.com to join our army of volunteers today.

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So anyone who doesn't support your overhyped candidate is 'Pro GEJ'? How old are you? 12?
If you agree with my allegations, why are you still exhorting innocent Nigerians to donate their hard earned money to this fellow?

@Macjive01
This is stale news you dolt! It's dated September 2010.

First you post 'news' that a Witch 'confessed' to powering DaGrin. Now you post this stale rant from a drowning thief. Methinks you need to get a life ASAP.

I can't believe people are falling for this crap.
His campaign expenditure will be comfortably funded by the ACN and their medley of thieves. They just want to paint a picture that Ribadu is being sponsored by the masses.

i have no idea why people are being decieved into believing that this corrupt, hypocrite and liar is the messiah for Nigeria. As an EFCC boss, he did not do his job in an outstanding manner, preferring to let the media sing his praises. It was Ribadu who told the world in 2005/2006 that Bode George had no case to answer. Naturally, the whole world was stunned when he came out to condemn Bode George only AFTER his successor had brought that old thief to book.

While in power, the man helped shield and protect corruption by turning a deaf ear and blind eye to frantic calls for the prosecution of crooks like Anenih, Andy Uba, Bode George, IBB etc. When the going got tough the man lied to the whole nation about an 'assassination attempt on his life' to skip town.

This man is no messiah. He is no solution.

Only an idiot would post 'news' from the National Enquirer. Especially something of this nature.
Thank God real oncologists have rubbished the claims of those two idiotic doctors.

seanet02:
did you ask whether this letter was also printed physicaly and distributed among the citizenry before jumping to a dumb conclusion? okay lets put the blame on me.

Even worse! Instead of egging on the citizenry to go out and vote out these monsters, you're actually distributing this? Foolishness upon foolishness!

Why should i have 'checked whether it was printed' before commenting? Perhaps i should also have asked you how much Indian Hemp you smoked first before posting this nonsense abi?

Kobojunkie:
^^Now the question you claim you attempted to answer is your new target ? What part of " if you do not know the answer, don't  respond" do you not get?

Why in God's marvelous world would I ask you anything intelligent when you produced a rant, instead of an answer, as response for a simple,clear question?

Again, please stop . So far it is clear YOU DO NOT KNOW and it is ALRIGHT!

You may find this difficult to understand, but the participation of everyone else in this forum is not limited to answering your silly questions.
Good thing you confirm that your question was anything but intelligent.

Good job on your part in dodging my own question, reproduced below.

texazzpete:
Why don't you tell us how INEC was/is supposed to protect us against child registration?

After all the tripe you've been posting here, why don't you just take up the gauntlet and tell us plausible ways INEC could have guaranteed that there'd be zero cases of minor registration.

Kobojunkie:
the question is open to anyone who is informed on this please . . .

Ask an intelligent question if you want an intelligent answer. A system put in place to detect multiple registration cases will not detect minors or foreigners.
the security personnel deployed to the polling units were supposed to be the line of defence against this scenario. It will be churlish indeed to hold INEC responsible for any lapses in this regard.

[quote author=aloy/emeka link=topic=599340.msg7674752#msg7674752 date=1296946477]Obviously you don't own a car and that's why you made  such crass comment. Pot holes in freeways are death traps and can also constitute danger in low speed lanes. Do you expect him  to be driving at 25mph on Lagos-Benin expressway in case of unidentified potholes?.  Think before you type.[/quote]Look at this bush man.
At 25mph (and if you spot a pot hole 100m away), you'll be able to easily stop in time.
The OP says the car 'plunged into a river while trying to avoid a pothole'. No one drives at a river at top speed, so it's clear that the driver lost control of the car. Is this not only feasible at high speeds?

Kobojunkie:
. . . . . So the long and short of all this is you ABSO-F-KING-LUTELY have no clue? You were just trying to piss off your own self by jumping to respond to a question you have absolutely no answer for? OK!

Sigh . . . Moving on now . . .

I gave a simple answer: INEC cannot accept culpability for cases of registration of minors. It's common sense.

If you need someone to blame, target the Nigerian security services and the Politicians that encourage this vice.

Eko Ile:
I wonder why we normally don't see all the negative people in posts like this,

I guess it's not negative enough for them,

Typical sycophant! Constructive criticism has now turned into 'negativity'. Yet we wonder why Nigeria is still struggling.

This is a decent move by Fashola.

Kobojunkie:
Dude, I am not the one making PROMISES and statements on behalf of INEC -- you are! So excuse me for wanting to know how exactly INEC is not to be blamed if it ends up with a Database filled with illegal names and prints.

Now you're just being silly. I made that statement to cover registrations from foreigners and minors, not all cases of 'illegal names and prints'. INEC will be held culpable in cases of multiple registration. For registration of foreigners and minors, how are the corps members and the security men supposed to tell the difference between a Nigerian and a foreigner from west africa? Even if this exercise was outsourced to the FBI, there would have been no way to tell the difference (especially with the flop of the National ID card project).

The 'doom-and-gloom' scenario you paint is laughable. Even in the worst case scenario, it is extremely unlikely that minors will make up to 0.5% of the names on the register.

Kobojunkie:
I posted a question, you answered with authority. What did you expect me to do? Swallow up whatever you post in response without weighing it to make sure it stands? Please, please go right ahead and explain to us some more how INEC is not to blamed for the fact that foreigners and under-aged people will likely vote come April.  Will it still be considered a free and fair election, since I expect INEC to announce that.  DO tell us!

By the same standards, since Obama promised to safeguard the lives and property of the US citizens, he should be blamed for the snowstorms sweeping through America!

'free and fair' does not mean PERFECT.

What a whiny letter!
There are elections in April to vote in new leaders. Instead of the OP to start sensitizing the people in his/her environs to vote for credible leadership, they'd rather waste their time on useless writeups.

If the Ogun people need change, let them troop out en masse to vote out PDP and all the rascals in power. Any other course of action is sheer foolishness.

Kobojunkie:
hm . . . Mr INEC Spokesperson, under whose control is it? Isn't it INEC's duty to conduct a credible and fair election? If there are thousands of kids registered and able to vote as a result, tell us, who do we go to for answers to this?

Why don't you tell us how INEC was/is supposed to protect us against child registration?

Perhaps some magical software that can scan photos and determine their ages?
Perhaps cloning our undermanned Police force so there would have been adequate security coverage to prevent intimidation of corps members?
Perhaps give all Corps members employed weapons and martial arts training to scare off the thugs?
Perhaps INEC should have issued a truth serum for the people coming to register?

INEC is not responsible for the crookedness inherent in most Nigerians.

alj harem1:
[size=18pt]who reads sun newspaper

there accounts are never accurate and most of there sources are from other newspaper[/size]

Sun Newspaper is one of the top newspapers in Nigeria.
They are crap, I agree, but they seem to have a substantial reader base.

monkeyleg:
I do conceed to an extent that this whole thing was rushed, that said though, this would have been an excellent opportunity for the Nigerian Government to start gathering accurate data on her people.

Would it have been too difficult for people to be asked to come with their Birth certificates, Passports? or Sworn affidavit, at least to create some level of people varification. This data can then be built upon, saving the tax payer and Nigerians a huge amount of money.

I have no doubt that Jega must have meant well, but it takes far more than sheer will to accomplish that which will become beneficial to all. We must start using our money wisely. The whole process was not thought through from day one, now we are left with Patch-Patch Job.

Jega's system will provide the Government with a database containing 62 million names, fingerprints, photos, age, sex, address and occupation. It is not perfect, but it's significant.
I cannot understand why any rational person will dismiss this significant data as irrelevant. Jesus Christ, is there no pleasing you people?!

Tell me when in the history of Nigeria have we had such a significant amount of data captured with this level of efficiency! Give this data to FBI consultants and soon we'll catching armed robbers and kidnappers by their fingerprints.

Kobojunkie:
Let's go with that for a minute, how does that help identify  the other problem(referring to the registration of minors, foreigners etc)?

That is not under INEC's control.

blacksta:
pipeline security consultants


ye pa my head don scatter - is that the best these oil companies can do - yet they bring oyinbo man to come take the better paying jobs

So what kind of job do you think is best suited for primary school cert holders?
of course these kind of menial jobs aren't aimed at graduates.

Eko Ile:
When you pull up your trash words, reserve some for yourself because they mostly apply to.

You posted some old and irrelevant nonsense and I showed you what the state agreed to pay the doctors and entered into the state's budget/What the doctors agreed to just a few weeks ago. This is public records and you have access to read and understand.
Shut up about COMESS, it's a settled deal.

'old and irrelevant' information? You numbskull! CONMESS is a fixed agreement! 100% implementation is what the state doctors were asking for. if a doctor gives the expected income under 100% implementation of CONMESS, that is the maximum possible that the State Government will ever pay. Current information my foot!
I don't know why this is so hard for you to understand.

Eko Ile:
And if you're brave enough to promote your lies, show me on paper what the doctors asked for that's not on the list the Governor sited?


The issue with the strike has nothing to do with what you are shouting about, it's about quick implementation and due process because the payments has to be factored into the state budget for 2011 and approved by the state lawmakers and that's already been done,

This has nothing to do with pay, that's been settled, the issue here is implementation,

Read this

http:///index.php/news/4156.html

Lagos Doctors call off strike

Williams told journalists that there is a "very good understanding" between the state government and the medical association, and the strike was suspended on the basis of that understanding, hoping that by January 2011, the government will make good its promise to implement a new salary package. He read out a letter, addressed to the association on November 19, by the state's Head of Service, Adesegun Ogunlewe, which contained several promises for all the demands of the association.

The letter stated, in part, that: "With effect from January 2011, a mutually agreeable wage review, which will not put Lagos doctors on a disadvantage compared to their colleagues in other states, will be implemented." Other promises included the "positive review" of the case of Ibrahim Olaifa, the association's past chairman, who was sacked for addressing journalists as against government's order, which forbid any civil servant from speaking to journalists; a "positive review" of withheld September and October salaries and other arrears; the remittance of the association's dues; and the promise that "no officer will be victimised on account of participation or role played during the strike."

Whatever the "mutually agreeable wage review" means in terms of figure, though not disclosed, was acceptable to the doctors. It will not be known until January's salary is paid whether the review will be acceptable to the doctors; hence the promise by Williams that[b] the congress may be convened sometime in February to review government's implementation of its promises.[/b]

The strike succeeded in dragging the government to the negotiation table, though it still did not produce the legal commitment the doctors demanded. The government had earlier promised to implement the new pay package in January 2011, through a letter written by Mr Ogunlewe to the association, but the doctors demanded for a circular, choosing not to "trust" the promise on the basis of several previous failed promises. According to one of the doctors, who spoke on condition of anonymity, the doctors shifted stance because the strike has already gone farther than they expected. "You know when you struggle against an entity with limitless resources, you must have limitless resources also and we don't have that limitless resource," he said.

The article confirmed what i have been saying. The doctors could not trust the Fashola administration because of several failed promises. The Head of Service promised that all the negotiated demands would be implemented in January 2011. Where is all this talk of February 2011 meeting coming from?
Does the promised re-instatement of Ibrahim Olaifa depend on the budget being passed? Tax review nko?
At the end the Lagos State Government did not even do for their doctors what the likes of Ekiti and Ondo have done.

Eko Ile:
Are you saying till the state pay the doctors what ever amount they are demanding, the state should just ignore kidney patients and let them die?

I'm saying that the Lagos State Government should walk the talk as far as medical welfare of Lagosians is concerned. I'm also concerned about the lack of transparency in all these matters. All we have is Fashola's word that he sent 300 patients out for kidney treatment. Where's the proof? Where's the transparent process for application to the fund? If there's a special fund set aside for renal failure patients from taxpayers money, why did the family of Lanre 'Shakomended' have to write to Fashola before he got state sponsored treatment?

the Doctors strike lasted for 14 weeks. In this period, people died from Malaria, typhoid etc. The federal hospitals were overflowing and ordinary lagosians suffered. Why doth it profit a Governor to brag about saving 300 people while subjecting tens of thousands others to trauma and reduced healthcare?

Ibime:
Good points by Wole.

Ribadu > Buhari > Jonathan.

However Ribadu has no chance of winning, hence those who would ordinarily vote for him would give their vote to Buhari.

Ribadu is just being a dreamer. He has no chance of winning and will steal valuable opposition vote away from Buhari. Tinubu's ambition will end up gifting PDP with the presidency once again.
This is the best chance to strike PDP when the cracks are everywhere.

hollandis:
Must you be my follower(meaning -you shouldn't necessarily reply to any of my post)?
I gave you a tip of who you really are and you coming out with daggers drawn.I heard you are a slave over there ,is it tru?
Shior.

We don't have any slaves in PHC, sorry.
Kobojunkie is right, this is entirely off-topic. I know you do not have anything meaningful to add so why not leave now and let the grownups discuss this issue?

hollandis:
Can't you express yourself without publicizing your lamentable grammer lessons?
Go and be a teacher of grammer studies and leave the scene for people who want a better .onyeberibe

It's 'Grammar' not 'grammer'.
You forgot to send your address. My dear slowpoke, this is no time for false pride!

hollandis:
You are a f.o.o.l why are you supporting Fashola?Why should he be commended for giving some money to dike?is it his(fashola's money) money.The tax payers are languishing that basic infrastructures are not being met you are here talking about conmess.Sometimes I hate the likes of you and I just want to hit you on the head

Please send me your address. I will ship free copy of Queen Primer, Brighter Grammar and Oxford Dictionary. They may be the same old dog-eared books i used in Primary school, but that should not trouble you as i observe that your skills at comprehending written English are at the same level i was at in Primary 4.

PS: Please don't call me a f.o.o.l again. As a modest fellow, i am extremely uneasy at being called by a term you usually reserve for members of your nuclear family.

Eko Ile:
Why are you bothering me with this rubbish?

Your worthless fish wrap was dated November 09, 2010, but an agreement was reached and the new wages and allowance was approved and factored into the state budget in in February 2011.

I must now admit that you're an irredeemable dolt! So on top of your low IQ you cannot even comprehend basic English?
The man is talking about the pay regime at 100% CONMESS, not what the doctors were earning before the strike. This was stated in plain English!

Go and call any JSS3 student and ask him what he understands by the statement "If CONMESS is implemented"

Just to break it down to your level, 100% CONMESS is the best case scenario for the doctors, and it's the pay package that they would be receiving in that regime that the good doctor was referring to.

What a shame, no wonder all the points i have been making have been flying over your head. Please indicate in your next reply if you will understand better if i write in pidgin English.

Eko Ile:
Many of these doctors collects more money than the state cabinet members.

Oya now, since you keep asking people to 'research', go and ask the proportion of consultants to regular doctors and see if the word 'many' is apt.
Also go and ask any consultant you know on the path to become one.

This stinks of the same tactic the Federal Government used to kill our Universities. They go around bandying the salaries of Professors without mentioning that it takes years and years to become a Prof. Or even the salient fact that less than 10% of Nigerian lecturers are Professors. As a result the world forgot that entry level lecturers were taking home less than half of what their mates in banks were earning.
The result? Even first class students were heading to Zenith bank instead of lecturing. And we may yet see a similar scenario in Lagos where the brilliant doctors emigrate to greener pastures.

Since you're paid well enough for your cyber thuggery and sycophancy, you can afford to go to private clinics. I'm more concerned with the masses in Lagos who cannot.

Eko Ile:
When are you going to stop with your lies? This is really shameful. Feel free to count on me to always call you out and keep exposing your lies. The fact is,  it's very easy to do because these are free public records that lazy people like you are too incompetent to dig up.



Lagos Has Fulfilled Its Promise Of New Salary Package To Doctors Before They Embarked On Another Strike – Fashola
…Renders impressive scorecard at CAN Interdenominational Service 2011


http://www.tundefashola.com/archives/news/2011/02/12/20110212N01.html

Again, you lied, junior doctors moved from 110,000 to 170,000 while the senior doctors moved from 360,000 to over 700,000 per month.

Many of these doctors collects more money that the state cabinet members.

And unlike the Federal Government which you are trying to replicate its salary figures, the State Government also provides free cars, houses and free healthcare to its doctors which is not done at the federal level.

Obviously, the state is paying way way more if you factor in the additional benefits that they have to pay for under the federal pay system.


Again, you keep running your mouth about some strike you know nothing about, I wonder why it's so difficult for some of you to educate yourselves and wash ignorance off your body before commenting on what's obviously above your heads.

Ignorance is really a disease.

And the rest of your post is the usual trash and rubbish, so I'll gladly sidestep and  ignore.

You see why it is not good to skim through school? You see why i always contend that you're of limited value to your employers thanks to your low IQ? I mentioned 'TAKE HOME SALARY' and your paymaster is just dividing the annual salary before tax and coming to paint a false picture to the public.
See the statement attributed to the head of the Nigerian  Association of Resident Doctors, (NARD), Lagos Chapter

http://www.sunnewsonline.com/webpages/features/goodhealth/2010/nov/09/goodhealth-09-11-2010-01.htm

Commenting on the sympathy strike, President, National Association of Resident Doctors, Dr. Lanre Ekujumi said it is just the appropriate step to take. “The earlier the Lagos state CONMESS issue is resolved, the better for all. If you come to LUTH, the over-flow of patient is overwhelming and some of these patients are dying.

Chairman, Nigerian Medical Association, Lagos State Chapter, Dr. Temisan Olusoji threw more light on the issue when he said that the Lagos doctors strike is over stretching Federal hospitals in the state, adding that the doctors in Lagos state have been on strike for 11 weeks.

“Because of the strike, federal government health facilities in Lagos are breaking down because of pressure. Four federal government hospitals cannot cater for the number of patients that 26 Lagos state owned hospitals and 1 maternity home that Lagos state have caters for. Lagos has about 17 million people living in it.”

“Patients are already suffering from Lagos state employed doctors going on strike. Lagos state government has been pretending that they don’t know the stress patients are suffering seeking medical attention just in four federal hospitals.

“[b]Several times we have contacted the Lagos State Government and no action has been taken. We have been reaching out to them through the Medical Guild and directly and nothing has happened.
The doctors are of the opinion that the response of the Lagos state government to the issue of implementing CONMESS had been unpleasant and lacking in goodwill and reciprocity. They believe government could avert unnecessary industrial action if it so will[/b]s.

Dr. Ekujumi said Lagos state is the only state where nothing has been put on paper as regards its commitment to implement the CONMESS. “They just want to force doctors to return to work without meeting their demands. Many Northern States have started paying CONMESS. Ekiti is supposed to start this month. Delta has offered to pay 70 per cent CONMESS and promised that by next year they will do more. The revenue drive of Lagos state is ten times bigger than that of these states.
“If you want to offer free healthcare, than fund it, if you cannot, increase the fees. Don’t do free healthcare system at the expense of doctors.

If CONMESS is implemented, according to Dr. Ekujumi, a resident doctor will go home at the end of the month with about N187,00, by the time they remove tax and bills, it comes to about N100,000.
A fulltime consultant takes over N400,000, but of they are teaching and are also consultants, they take less than that.

“In all the states, it is only in Lagos state that everything about CONMESS has been confrontational, Ekujumi continued, “the first step they took was to take doctors to court. If northern states, Ekiti, Ondo can pay CONMESS, Lagos can, because the revenue drive of Lagos is ten times bigger than that of these states.


I don't know about you, but i'd rather believe the Resident Doctor leadership than the word of a typical politician. Why should we trust and believe Fashola? The striking doctors did when they called off their strike late last year. They went back on strike a few weeks back when the State Government FAILED to implement their agreement.

The man earning the money says that even when CONMESS is fully implemented, after taxes and bills they will average around 100,000 net. I even assumed 120,000 and you're disputing with me. slowpoke.

Fashola's statement is laughable at best. What is he trying to say, that in CONMESS, doctors will earn too much. Why was this 'obscene salary' not an issue with Ekiti and Ondo State? Why is in not an issue in many Northern States? Why is it only in Lagos that it suddenly becomes a greedy demand? Please answer the question ASAP.

As to his statements that all state doctors get houses and cars, i must make time out to laugh. Politicians! My friends in Lagos who work as doctors for the state are busy saving up to buy Nigerian used 1998 Camry on their meager salaries and this man is telling the whole world that he has given the doctors cars. Even your messiah Fashola is not immune to such lofty and grandiose claims.


I feel sorry for Lagos State doctors. They played a major role in getting the Federal Government to agree to the CONMESS salary structure, only to be cut off at the knees by their 'working governor'. They work harder than most of their counterparts in any other state in Nigeria and they are severely under-appreciated even while living in one of the most expensive states in Nigeria. Instead of their Governor to do the right thing he is going on the pages of newspapers to undermine them, to try to turn public opinion against them.

It's bad enough when a smart fellow like Fashola does it. It's bound to be more painful when a buffoon like this Eko-Ile (aka babapupa) starts trying to spread FUD. Smh.

Eko Ile:
Only a mad and insane fool equates saving lives with corruption.

Your comments are not only unfortunate, they are irrational and irresponsible, even utterly st/upid and r/etarded.

She's talking about transparency, you dolt! Even if the people are not consulted at every step, the Lagos taxpayer deserves to know where his money goes to and how efficiently it's being used. Or if it's being stolen.


As it stands, the 300 people claim is just from Fashola. A cynical fellow would ask you if there's anything to corroborate this. Afterall, we've had Governors who claimed to have imported 1000 cows, only to see only 300 on ground. We had an Ekiti governor set up a chicken farm with no chickens. See why transparency is good?

As for your 'lies' claim, i will not take blame for your stupidity. You threw down the gauntlet, asking us all to google the term 'Fashola kidney'. the first 30 results on Bing and Google do not carry anything else about any other non-celebrity patient. Am i to start doing your research for you?

You say strikes occur everywhere. But i'm talking about strikes from members of one of the most critical professions in Nigeria! We all agree Lagos is overpopulated. Do you know the effect the strike action had on the suffering masses? And the strike was for extremely reasonable demands that 11 other states in Nigeria had already agreed to, including poor Ekiti State! Even the NMA Lagos says that if CONMESS is adopted for the state government, a Resident Doctor will now take home around 120,000 naira a month.
So what it effectively means that your beloved paymaster does not think an overworked Resident Doctor should take home 120k a month even after putting in 7 years of intense study in a University! So much for 'protecting the lives of his citizens'.

I am not impressed with your defence at all. Your masters should have hired someone more intelligent to argue their case, not an uncouth, ill-mannered rabble rouser such as yourself.

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[quote author=aloy/emeka link=topic=604627.msg7727806#msg7727806 date=1297680423]Do you wait for facts to come in after each massacre in Jos?. It could have been the handwork or armed robbers you know but you will be quick to condemn them without facts. Why are you waiting for facts in the case of Southerners?.[/quote]Armed robbers do not swoop from house to house beheading people and leaving empty handed. Send me your address and i will mail you a free dictionary so you can learn the meaning of the words 'rob' and 'robbers'.

Check out this excerpt i grabbed from Gizmodo a while back.
Most of the WP7 hate is from people who haven't used it. Watch a few YouTube videos, download the WP7 emulator on your desktop and see why the OS shows so much promise.

[quote author=@na2day! link=topic=548998.msg7725648#msg7725648 date=1297637441]Still dwelling on what has been, eh
Right now Windowsphone 7 is a mobile that seems to be completely disconnected from the reality of the present mobile industry. Imagine? No copy and paste, no Flash support, no multitasking. This might have worked two years ago, in fact it did work two years ago with the first and second iPhones, but tell Microsoft, this is not 2008 anymore. If they want to seriously compete, sorry to be cliché but they need to get with the times.[/quote]You said Windows Mobile has always been a failure, i countered it with factual data. Why the cheap dig?
Windows Phone 7 will get copy and paste in March. Flash support will come eventually. IOS doesn't have flash and it's still running neck and neck with Android, scoring points as the better overall OS for now. Multi-tasking is coming as an update this year too. They are, in your words, 'getting with the times'.

Nokia's first WP7 device will ship at the end of 2011. By then, all these updates will be out. The Windows Marketplace will have a load of apps (windows marketplace grew faster than Android Market and AppStore in the last few months). Nokia's Ovi maps will provide FREE turn by turn OFFLINE maps, every bit as good as google's offering. Bing is every bit as accurate (if not more) than google search.

In short, by end 2011 Windows Phone 7 will be every bit as attractive as android for the vast majority of mainstream customers.