₦airaland Forum

JeSoul:
Not at all sir. I was just addressing peter's comment that the RCC did not 'release' the app. Apps cost money to make and maintain so I have no problem if the patent owner wants to charge. 99% of free apps generate profit by using advertisements. I guess they wanted to keep this app add-free hence the charge. $1.99 is not much anyways for the average app-user.

Furthermore, everyone knows the Catholic church does not 'need' money, they are already loaded. lol.

They didn't 'release' the app. They were consulted during the making and the app itself has been encouraged. But your assertion that the Church was involved at conception is not backed up by any of the facts at hand.

nethacker:
this is d saddest news i hv ever heard
just 3 months!!!!!!
wat is wrong with our Lawyers

The 3 months was for the earlier court trial, not this one.

May God save us from Educated illiterates in Nigeria!! How can a geoscientist 'assure' you of finding oil thousands of feet below the earth? No geoscientist will ever ASSURE you of that, and this with no obvious seismic shows!
See the kind of dolts we have running NNPC.

DeeJay20:
Here you go dude, Pics of the Student groups with Hilary Clinton

https://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/07JD3a5b1c8fL/610x.jpg

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US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton speaks with "Egyptian activists promoting freedom and  democracy", prior to meetings at the State Department in Washington, DC, May 28, 2009.


Here is the pics on the students that met with Condi Rice in 2008

https://www.freedomhouse.org/images/programs/newgen/Egypt_NewGenReception2.jpg

CAN YOU NOTICE THE SAME PEOPLE, hmmm


Here is the link,

WELL WELL WELL!!! ,

http://www.freedomhouse.org/template.cfm?page=66&program=84

Next we await pictorial evidence from you that those same beaming youths in the photos are the same ones that instigated the masses in Tunisia to rise up. Because we all know the Egyptians took their cue from the Tunisians.

Also provide photos of beaming Yemenis and Syrians meeting Condoleeza Rice and Hilary Clinton. At least you seem to be making the link between youths meeting this lady and a popular revolt.

Also ask yourself why the US would seek or support a path that could likely throw one of their major allies in the Middle East into chaos.

But you conspiracy nuts never ask yourselves the blatant, obvious questions, do you?

Lol.
I wonder who really are the 'idiots' and 'animals'. is it the rich men in Abuja eating and guzzling your money? Or is it the gutless, whiny citizens of Nigeria who cannot even be bothered to protest and revolt against their greedy leaders?

Your answers will be greatly appreciated.

We're talking about Air force and some lunatic is mentioning blackhawk down. What has this got to do with anything?

The US has the most technologically advanced air force in the world, hands down. Their pilots are extremely well trained with state of the art simulators. many have even seen combat experience.

ASANIGBO:
The tragedy has confirmed the fears of Nigerians abroad, wary of returning home because of the epidemic of armed robbery, fraudsters, political violence and carnage on the roads.

This has nothing to do with 'carnage on the roads'. Had the driver not been overspeeding, avoiding the pothole would not have resulted in their deaths.

This is so sad, though. lucky for the man that the kids survived.

[quote author=na2day! link=topic=548998.msg7670802#msg7670802 date=1296898727]Yes, its still quite buggy, I used it to download some apps this morning, I'm yet to see d apps on my phone[/quote]it isn't buggy. it's a known issue affecting some users running custom roms.

Why is this guy still alive sef?

Basseti:
Nope, the Iphone4 was not unlocked directly by the factory (if that was your question) . It was unlocked by the previous owner.

Oga Texazzpete, which one be price flexibility again You know you are getting a very good deal on the Iphone4.

Am i? It's a USED iPhone. it isn't factory unlocked (i.e bought from the Apple Store, UK) so firmware updates will always be a dicey situation.
I'm currently using a factory unlocked iPhone 4 32GB, purchased from an Apple Store in Canada. I can freely update firmware and preserve my unlock. It cost me around 125k brand new. So why would i be excited to pay 15k less for a used device that will always remain in the wahala loop?

Kobojunkie:
What resolution set too high? Do you even read your own claims at all? A finger scanning application that was possibly field tested pre-deployment had it's resolutions set too high? 

From Jega's testimony before the Senate
http://www.osundefender.org/?p=11371
Jega nonetheless explained that there were additional problems with the setting of the finger printing machine from the first day; “where we discover that the setting was very high and that setting was for the highest standard of finger print for forensic purpose and election is not a forensic matter, that is why we had these difficulties because the scanners were very sensitive, if you have any problem with your finger whether it is stained with oil or whatsoever, it will refuse to accept you. So the first day was a disaster because the machine was just rejecting anybody that came to register. But the second day, we had discovered this and we have taken measures to correct it by deploying what we call a patch to address the problem of finger print scanner.

pre-deployment testing would most likely have been under ideal conditions (squeaky clean fingers from people with minimal print erosion). The reduced time-frame would have reduced the time for beta testing.

Kobojunkie:
Sorry, I know you like to pretend you know how these things work in the backend but sometimes it is OK to STOP!

Don't be daft. I know how the set up is supposed to work. It isn't rocket science. Unlike yourself, not everyone struggles with the concept of data validation at different levels. I have NEVER made any detailed claims of the backend technologies INEC is employing for this exercise.
As someone with an Engineering (and some IT) background I know that what Jega says he'll do is very feasible. Since i'm blessed with some common sense i know that Lai Mohammed is just making wild accusations.
All you do is jump on the words of every half-wit here that posts something negative about the whole process. Take your own advice and STOP.

Whiteguru:
Guys let me tell u smthing, ds i ws no 3 on line to register, a nnorthern coper who came 1hr behind came n startd registerin who were nt evn on d line, d fest lady protestd, guess wat the coper said, 'i am d commandaer i chief here, if u no lik am go anoda centr go regista. I go do wetin i wan do. I decide wot whoo registers n who doesnt' i cried for nigeria ds mornin. We wud neva get beta. Evn a northn aristocratic baby in d womb wud probably do d samething lamido n ds copper n evry oda nortner with d 'i ws born to rule' i deology. Imagine an ill english speakin northn boy telling us wot to do in a sorthn village!!! Guys wud ds hapen in any way in zamfara!?

Ironic of you to complain about someone's English. I could barely decipher the eyesore you typed up. No wonder you people struggle to pass WAEC these days!

[quote author=21-05-2011 link=topic=586413.msg7653073#msg7653073 date=1296653313]I am sorry I dont think I will register because none of the candidates are good enough IMHO
I think I have somehow given up on Nigeria
Its going to be choose one of the lesser evils since they are all EVIL[/quote]Why are you people so fixated on the presidential elections? What about the house of assembly, the senate, the gubernatorial elections? Aren't you aware it's the same voters card you'll use for them all?

Vote not, complain not!

ijebu:
I pray the ACN fears is not real. By now one would have expect Jega to react to this, I am sure they are double checking to make sure that this is not true before going public.

I posted a link earlier with Jega's response. Why can't you folk take time out to READ the posting history before ranting?

Kobojunkie:
So Jega did actually announce that had to be done? If so, that confirms the existence the system allows for duplicates and this news is not isolated in anyway.

The resolution was originally set too high, hence scanning took too long. The current setting is fit for purpose.

Spoke to her today. I intend picking up the HD7 definitely and likely the iPhone 4. is the iPhone factory unlocked?

Is there any price flexibility?

chi 3280:
u see the reason why i hate our leaders.when borno,jos and bauchi is heating up with frequent killings,nothing has been done about it.but our leaders seem to have interest in another man's country just in the name of peace keeping.for the sake of the safety of nigerians living in ivory coast which my brother-in-law is one of them.make una tell bros jona to mind im own business o!

Since when did ECOMOG equate to GEJ? See this dunce!

Black africans have no balls. That is the truth.
The revolution is sweeping only across the Arab/berber world. Nobody is going to enter the streets of Lagos

Genbuhari3:
And so? it takes an honourable man to accept his judgement was wrong! deal with it bro. thoughts change!

'His judgement'? He claimed to be speaking from the Spirit of God!!

Ribadu happily turned away when OBJ's cronies were carting away billions of naira. This is the same Ribadu that told Nigerians in 2006 that Bode George has no case to answer. I don't know why people are babbling about the man being an 'anti-corruption czar'. What rubbish.

snthesis:
me tinks the second approach is more effective

I hope you aren't pursuing a career in the diplomatic corps

iykrichie:
yes u dont have to be an ACN to detect this,  I was forced to register in a location far from my home primarily because i needed the voters card before the deadline,  and since the carryover queue in my area never ends that was my only option,

so they said i must only vote where i got registered,  and i reasoned they dont have any central record or server whatsoever./. so its all distributed in zones,,  i cant really vote so far away so i am contemplating registering again if i have the chance in somewhere closer this is my only way out to vote.

Sorry to say this, but you don't sound particularly intelligent at all. It had been drummed into our ears for eons now; you can only vote where you register. Knowing this, why would you still go and register far away from your home?
I spent 8 hours on the queue to register. I could have spent 10 minutes if i had gone to my office to register. but this isn't just about getting the voters card, it's about VOTING!

Based on Jega's statements, if you register again your name will be struck out. That is how it is.

Kobojunkie:
Let me get this one right. The post you are GBAM-ing proclaims validity of the fears, and even goes on to state that ACN did well, as it is a good thing for us to ask these questions now, so what have you been ARGUING all this time?

My bad, i missed out that last part.

goggs:
it would have helped ACN if they got a couple of egg heads to properly articulate their position, then they would be taken seriously. for now , Mr lai Mohammed will sound like a political spoil sport. His questions are relevant, but it wouldn't so questioned if it had come from experts.

Lai Mohammed isn't asking a question. He's making an accusation. It's silly.

A question will be : "Can you clarify your sexual orientation? I haven't seen you with any woman"
An accusation, Lai Mohammed style, is like: "You liar! You're a gay gay buttmuncher!!! Okay if you say i'm wrong go and start romancing a woman let us see"

ACN is allowed to seek reassurance from INEC that multiple registrations will be detected and dealt with. it is odious to come out swinging!

PS: Why does ACN want to pretend that multiple registration is something that will benefit only the PDP?

I called the number provided, i doubt you're the one.
If you're really serious about business i suggest you use someone who actually knows a lot about the products on sale. I'd rather deal with you personally if you don't mind.

http://www.spotlightnigeria.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=305:ddc-machines-can-detect-multiple-registrations-jega&catid=34:politics&Itemid=55

Jega confirms that multiple registration will be weeded out.

goldincome:
What are we arguing here?

Let me follow this systematically:


1) At Registration level, INEC cannot detect multiple registration. They said that they will do it at the ward level.
I can understand the reason behind it. That will make it easy for the database to perform faster and as well maintain its integrity. This is what programmers or IT people called Modular structure which is the best way to handle a complex problem like Voter's registeration.

That means:
Any multiple registration that is not detected at the ward level will be detected at the LGA level and anyone that is not detected at the LGA level will be detected at the state level and anyone that is  not detected at the state level will be detected at the national level in Abuja. If INEC has this system in place, then we have nothing to fear.

I think the question that we should be asking is that: does INEC have this system in place?
And I want us to know that if INEC have this system in place, they cannot allow people access to it because it will be compromised.

The system is not real time and so, the synchronization of the system at various levels will eliminate multiple registration. For the systems to be online real time, each DDC machine has to connect to the internet and will be hosted somewhere. Which means each LGA will have a VSAT and a base station to broadcast the intenet on a secured lines for the DDC machine to connect to it. You can see that there is no time for INEC to do this and also, it involves a lot of money.

INEC will not open up their systems for ACN or anybody to prove that they have the system in place to checkmate multiple registeration. They can only tell you verbally that they have it in place. On the other hand, ACN did well, because this will make INEC to sit up and tell us if they have all this in place.

Enough said!!!

GBAM!!

1025:
jega, u are a liar.
if what u are saying is true, it means the system has a central network so why and how can someone who registered in a place cannot vote in another?
u have exposed your intentions by using fake materials and steadily demand for money.
u are not anything different from the other professor(mourice).
pls jega, nigerians will forgive all your sins if u can deliever us from the devilish pdp come 2011

You're just a dunce. Who told you it means the system has a 'central network'?

Kobojunkie:
hmm . .

Like I said  . .  . .

The process is nearing completion. There is no way INEC can reverse or change the fundamental decisions taken. The technology cannot change, the logistics can't change. The train has already left the station. INEC has to use these complaints and issues as learning points for the next time voters registration comes around.

Bishopking:
@ texazzpete
U r clearly m.oronic. Did you read my whole response? Did I not say that no policemen had no right to slay anyone?
I said that bit, i.e the part you quoted because the misfiring proves inadequate training! I don't support policemen firing on innocent people. However, there might be occasions when they had to engage real armed robbers in a gun duel. Then the gun comes handy. Should that occur, could this kind of policeman be able to aim correctly? Think about that.

Oya, explain what you mean by 'misfire and not hit the target'. Your statement is quoted below

Bishopking:
If he should shoot at all, was he not trained on how to aim and bring down his TARGET? This act of misfiring and not get the 'target' shows the decay in the police force.

Which target are you referring to if not the Taxi man?

Where exactly did you get the idea that the policeman 'misfired'?

[quote author=~Bluetooth link=topic=596352.msg7646432#msg7646432 date=1296568807]what are you talking about here ? The taxi driver parked where he was not supposed to .the aggressiveness of the policeman leading to the death of the woman was a fallout of the trepassing by the taxi driver.the two of them are guilty.[/quote]So in essence you're saying that if i shoot someone who enters my compound to pluck pawpaw, that person also shares the responsibility abi?

Kobojunkie:
That is what I have heard as well.

isolated cases, very few instances. The corpers that resorted to doing that (out of frustration) have been reprimanded.
We cannot achieve perfection in Nigeria. Jega looks well on his way to delivering a relatively credible voters register. At least miles better than Iwu's version.

seanet03:
@kobojunkie, how can you said the man has no prove when he is challenging inec to a contest? Dont tell me he needs to provide prove before inec takes him serious since he is not a computer specialist, as a major contender in the election the party have the right to challenge inec to prove that they can detect multiple registration. Inec is using public funds for this registration and is therefore accountable to the Public.

The man has no proof! Isn't it evident in the article?
The man isn't asking INEC to demonstrate the database checks. He is accusing INEC of fraud and of deliberately deceiving Nigerians. Why does he have to malign INEC? Is it so hard to request that party agents be present when database aggregation and verification is being done?

I do not want INEC to get distracted by this fellow's crazed rantings. My tax money is at stake.

Secondly, isn't is foolish to raise this issue now? if the ACN had any complaints about the technology INEC was to use for the registration why did they not make those complaints known before the exercise started? The registration train has left that station, sorry. There are challenges, but it will suffice!

OAM4J:
Of course there will be multiple registrations when some of those corpers handling the registration already claimed they registered some people without their bio-data.

The system should not have been programmed to allow that, and if the data is not centralized, then people can move from ward to ward voting in all the places they registered.

Too bad. In 2011 we still cannot handle a simple exercise of registering voters after spending Billions. And few years from now another INEC chairman will be asking for another billions of Naira for a new exercise.

The INEC rep has already told you their strategy is to aggregate the data centrally, with the integrity checks starting from the ward to the LGA to the State level. What other definition of 'centralized' is there?

Kobojunkie:
I am not a fan of the man myself but that does not mean the contents of the article are to be ignored or that he is wrong as a result. Note, ACN is challenging INEC here. INEC can either accept the challenge or pretend the data is clean.

What challenge? The man has no proof, no evidence, nothing at all to indicate that INEC's claims are false. If the man had asked for a demonstration, that's one thing. but it is very mean-spirited, very terrible to make an unsubstantiated accusation of corruption, falsehood and ineptitude just to get someone to demonstrate his claims.
I cannot understand why you do not see this.

Kobojunkie:
Like I already tried explaining, Database DO NOT offer automatic data integrity. The data in a Database is just as good as data entered and so there are high chances in this case that INEC will have to get into some serious data cleaning exercises. I read both and I believe there will definitely need to be some scrubbing of the data collected at the end of the day.

The data in the database consists of the voters names, occupation, sex, address etc, paired with the voters photo, as well as the individual's ten fingerprints. The data captured is stored simultaneously on the Laptop's internal HDD as well as an external hard disk for redundancy. The data is stored in an encrypted format and the Corps members manning the booth cannot alter or edit any record as soon as it is entered.
So please, tell me why you envisage serious data scrubbing at the end of the day.

Kobojunkie:
Considering people can travel and do travel. It is not far-fetched to believe some people probably registered in different states already. But again, one does not have to travel to another state to register more than once. According to some, it is already possible to do that in the same registration zone. So, aggregating data at ward level and so on, DOES NOT GUARANTEE integrity.

Nobody is going to register in different states. There's a restriction of movement during elections. Why would someone want to vote in Ekiti and then vote in Osun?
Obviously, INEC's systems are not networked at registration time, and there can be no real-time multiple registration detection going on. This is an acceptable limitation. I never expected otherwise. So naturally anyone can register in 30 different pollling units in the state.
However, when the data is aggregated, the checks for multiple registrations can easily done at the macro and micro levels. Since most multiple registration attempts will take place at the ward level, the checks will be done on datasets containing records numbering in the tens of thousands (on average). these small scale checks will weed out at least 80 - 90% of multiple registration attempts.
At the state level the checks will also be made. Even in a densely populated state like Lagos you're looking at not more than 4 million records (at most). With powerful backend technology in place, these checks can be done in a week.

A friend of mine has been to INEC's control room in Abuja, and he's come away impressed. Lots of young, brilliant geeks at work behind the scene. i remain cautiously optimistic.


As far as the topic goes, Lai Mohammed is just trolling. and he's a dolt.