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 Christianity Etc › Re: Paula White: Without Walls Or Without God? by therationa(m): 12:10am On Feb 25, 2008 |
[quote author=Tayo-D link=topic=115214.msg1991354#msg1991354 date=1203894342]@nwando, The fact is that these people believe they are worshipping God. If they feel otherwise, they won't be practicing the religion. The worst of it is that others might think they have to go through mediums to reach God because they believe He is far off. However, the bottom line is that their hearts is reaching for God even though they are going about it the wrong way. Why else would Paul declare that For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves: Isn't this an acknowledgement that they are reaching out for God? they may be deceived, but that is a different matter.[/quote]If the Gentiles already have a law onto themselves, why the need to tell them about the Jewish/Christian laws, given they will be judged according to their own laws? |
| Christianity Etc › Skyone, Some Questions For You. by therationa(op): 12:02am On Feb 25, 2008 |
Skyone, I answered your question several days ago, but also invited you to considered some questions from. I wonder if you could take a look at these questions, please? 1) - What is the speed of light? 2) - How long does it take light to travel from one end of our galaxy (Milky Way) to the other? 3) - How long ago did the dinosaur become extinct? 4) - What proportions of life was wiped out during the end-permian extinction? 5) - Have you ever visited a museum? Thankx |
| Christianity Etc › Does Jesus Know What Causes Sin? Thank Goodness He Doesn't. by therationa(op): 9:21pm On Feb 24, 2008 |
Thank Goodness, no-one really follows the advice (with the exception of some mos-lems countries) of this impostor from Nazareth, or we would have millions of amputated, maimed and eyeless individuals walking our streets. And why would they have been amputated or maimed. Well, because they might have sinned (or feared sinning), and following Jesus's recommendation, one should rather remove the organ that caused one to sin than jeopardise one chances of entering heaven. This is what Mark 9: 39 - 40 states; 39 "Do not stop him," Jesus said. "No one who does a miracle in my name can in the next moment say anything bad about me, 40 for whoever is not against us is for us. 41 I tell you the truth, anyone who gives you a cup of water in my name because you belong to Christ will certainly not lose his reward. 42 "And if anyone causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him to be thrown into the sea with a large millstone tied around his neck. 43 If your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life maimed than with two hands to go into hell, where the fire never goes out. 44 where 'their worm does not die, and the fire is not quenched.' 45 And if your foot causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life crippled than to have two feet and be thrown into hell. 46 where 'their worm does not die, and the fire is not quenched.' 47And if your eye causes you to sin, pluck it out. It is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye than to have two eyes and be thrown into hell, 48where " 'their worm does not die, and the fire is not quenched.' 49 Everyone will be salted with fire. 50"Salt is good, but if it loses its saltiness, how can you make it salty again? Have salt in yourselves, and be at peace with each other." Why don't we see Christians clamoring for this sort of deterrent for sin? Why are our prisons not filled with amputated, eyeless, brainless individuals? Is there any sense in issuing this advise, if it was not meant literally? BTW, in these words, Jesus demonstrated just what an ignoramus he was by not recognising that no other organ but the BRAIN is the centre of thoughts, hence the source of sin. Not arms, legs, eyes, belly, gonads, etc, etc. So, more appropriately, he should have advised his followers to remove their brains to avert the possibility of sin. ===================================================================================================== Some of my other threads The Dangers Of Religious Fundamentalism To Intellectualism https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=110955.msg1929006#msg1929006 Does Jesus Know What Causes Sin? Thank Goodness He Doesn't. https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-115292.0.html The Dreadful Plight Of Apostasy In The Bible https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-115114.0.html Is The European Union Prophesied In The Bible? Is It The Anti-christ? https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-115053.0.html Jesus And The Old Laws https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-115190.0.html What Can Be Said To Be Definitely Known About Jesus? https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-114935.0.html Origin Of Christianity And Diabolical Mimicry In Anticipation https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-113860.0.html Hell Past, Hell Present; Which Do You Prefer? https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-113947.0.html#msg1971669 The Sexual Act And Christian Teaching https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-114332.0.html Scientific Rationalism, Reason And Faith: Which Produces Systematic Knowledge? https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-114253.0.html On The Prophesy Of The Virgin Birth Of Jesus, Part 2: https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-113676.0.html On The Historical Reliability Of The Bible https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-114215.0.html When And From Where Did Jesus Ascend Into Heaven https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-113519.0.html https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-114023.0.html#msg1972418 https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-114023.0.html#msg1972418 When Was Jesus Born? https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-113449.0.html On The Prophesy Of The Virgin Birth Of Jesus [/b]13012dg https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-113342.0.html#msg1963529 [b] Was Jesus The Prophesied Messiah? Let's Look At The Evidence. https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-113303.0.html What Are Your Chances Of Being Saved? https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-113283.0.html Who Wrote The Gospels And When Were They Written? https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-113277.0.html#msg1962589 God Selects The Rulers Of Countries; G W Bush, Sadam, Pol Pot, Abacha, Hitler https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-113186.0.html#msg1961537 Cannibalism In The Bible: Det 28:53-57, Lev 26:29, Jer 19:9, Ezek 5:10, Lam 4:10 https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-113181.0.html#msg1961343 What Are The Core Tenets (doctrines, Value And Virtues) Of Christainity? https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-112990.0.html Faith-healer And Evangelist, Maurice Cerullo, Investigated https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-113871.0.html What Fate For Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, Constantine And Tomás De Torquemada? https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-112997.0.html#msg1958617 Is The Doctrine Of Trinity Biblical? The Johannine Comma https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-112865.0.html#msg1957266 On The Authenticity Of The New Testament, Part 2 https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-112848.0.html How Is Salvation Achieved? https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-112833.0.html Only For Those Who Know Their Bibles And Some History: Who Was Jesus? https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=112697.msg1954632#msg1954632 Only For Those Who Know Their Bibles: Old Testament Stories https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=112679.msg1954426#msg1954426 Human Sacrifice In The Bible: Lev 27: 29 & Judges 11 https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=112584.msg1953340#msg1953340 Please, Please, Please: Christians - Read Read Read Your Bibles https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=112578.msg1953311#msg1953311 When Was Jesus Crucified? https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=112557.msg1952665#msg1952665 On Conversion To A Religion (christianity Or I-slam) https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=112547.msg1952353#msg1952353 Faith-healers And Tele-evangelists https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=112398.msg1950528#msg1950528 Where Did Sin Originate? https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=112377.msg1950291#msg1950291 For The Non-beleivers Only, 1 https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=112262.msg1948957#msg1948957 Would Christains Be Criminals And Offenders If They Were Not Christians? https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=112259.msg1948919#msg1948919 On The Authenticity Of The New Testament, Part 1 https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=112240.msg1948631#msg1948631 Has Atheism Got Principle? No https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=112216.msg1948180#msg1948180 It Is Biblical To Have Sex (and Lots Of It) Before Marriage https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=112139.msg1946940#msg1946940 Should The Old Testament Laws Be Observed In The Modern Era? https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=112114.msg1946682#msg1946682 Founding A State or Nation On Religious Principles https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=112086.msg1946268#msg1946268 Great Books About Non-belief https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=111928.msg1943935#msg1943935 Who Are The Self-declared Non-believer? Resources For You https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=111806.msg1942137#msg194111quc02137 Beware of a Simplistic Interpretation of Jesus's 2nd Coming Passages https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=111677.msg1939992#msg1939992 What Is The Evidence That The Bible Is The Word Of God? https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-113161.0.html#msg1960928 Archbishop Cause Furore Over Sharia Law In The Uk https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=111645.msg1939155#msg1939155 Eminent Christian Scientist (francis Collins) Explains The Evolution Of Humans https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=111482.msg1936158#msg1936158 Please, Help Me Out With Your Knowledge Of The Bible https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=111474.msg1936099#msg1936099 Why Biology Is So Important To Our Modern World https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=111466.msg1935975#msg1935975 Genesis Vs Genetics https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=111227.msg1932655#msg1932655 Please, Help Me Out With Your Knowledge Of The Bible https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-111474.0.html Jesus Genealogy https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=111222.msg1932616#msg1932616 £300 (three - Hundred Pound Sterling) Essay Competition https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=111143.msg1931508#msg1931508 Beware Of Religious Fundamentalism In Your University Campuses https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=110965.msg1929160#msg1929160 ==================================================================================================== |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Therationa, Who Created You, God Or By Evolution. by therationa(m): 4:28pm On Feb 24, 2008 |
SysUser:Your level of ignorance staggeringly breathtaking. Before you malign and make such condemnatory remarks about atheists, why don't you take the trouble to learn and investigate what atheism is about. I shall quote you some figures. There are millions of atheists around the world who live a quite and respectable life without making any fuzz about it. In the US they represent 7- 15% of the population, about 11 - 18 million people. They are the business people, scientist, civil servants, politicians, doctors, engineers, lecturers, philosophers, farmers, etc, etc. Check out these figures; The follow-up study reported in "Nature" reveals that the rate of belief is lower than eight decades ago. The latest survey involved 517 members of the National Academy of Sciences; half replied. When queried about belief in "personal god," only 7% responded in the affirmative, while 72.2% expressed "personal disbelief," and 20.8% expressed "doubt or agnosticism." Belief in the concept of human immortality, i.e. life after death declined from the 35.2% measured in 1914 to just 7.9%. 76.7% reject the "human immortality" tenet, compared with 25.4% in 1914, and 23.2% claimed "doubt or agnosticism" on the question, compared with 43.7% in Leuba's original measurement. Again, though, the highest rate of belief in a god was found among mathematicians (14.3%), while the lowest was found among those in the life sciences fields -- only 5.5%. If your assertions were correct we would expect to find most prisons populated by atheists. But what exactly do we find? Copied from a website It's suprising how many people say to me, "You're an Atheist? You must have no conscience about commiting crime then." Nothing could be further from the truth. In fact, if we examine the population of our prisons, we see a very different picture: In "The New Criminology", Max D. Schlapp and Edward E. Smith say that two generations of statisticians found that the ratio of convicts without religious training is about 1/10 of 1%. W. T. Root, professor of psychology at the Univ. of Pittsburgh, examined 1,916 prisoners and said "Indifference to religion, due to thought, strengthens character," adding that Unitarians, Agnostics, Atheists and Free-Thinkers are absent from penitentiariers or nearly so. During 10 years in Sing-Sing, those executed for murder were 65% Catholics, 26% Protestants, 6% Hebrew, 2% Pagan, and less than 1/3 of 1% non-religious. Steiner and Swancara surveyed Canadian prisons and found 1,294 Catholics, 435 Anglicans, 241 Methodists, 135 Baptists, and 1 Unitarian. Dr. Christian, Superintendant of the NY State Reformatories, checked 22,000 prison inmates and found only 4 college graduates. In "Who's Who" 91% were college graduates, and he commented that "intelligence and knowledge produce right living" and that "crime is the offspring of superstition and ignorance." Surveyed Massachusetts reformatories found every inmate religious, carefully herded by chaplins. In Joliet, there were 2,888 Catholics, 1,020 Baptists, 617 Methodists and 0 non-religious. Michigan had 82,000 Baptists and 83,000 Jews in their state population. But in the prisons, there were 22 times as many Baptists as Jews, and 18 times as many Methodists as Jews. In Sing-Sing, there were 1,553 total inmates with 855 of them Catholics (over half), 518 Protestants, 177 Jews and 8 non- religious. There's a very interesting qualified statistic. Steiner first surveyed 27 states, and found 19,400 Christians, 5,000 with no preference, and only 3 Agnostics (one each in Connecticut, New Hampshire, and Illinois). A later, more complete survey found 60,605 Christians, 5,000 Jews, 131 Pagans, 4,000 no preference, and only 3 Agnostics. In one 29-state survey, Steiner found 15 unbelievers, Spirtualists, Theosophists, Deists, Pantheists and 1 Agnostic among nearly 83,000 inmates. Calling all 15 "anti-christians" made it one half person to each state. Elmira reformatory overshadowed all, with nearly 31,000 inmates, including 15,694 Catholics (half), and 10,968 Protestants, 4,000 Jews, 325 refusing to answer, and 0 unbelievers. In the East, over 64% of inmates are Catholics. In the national prison population they average 50%. A national census found Catholics 15%. They count from the diaper up. Hardly 12% are old enough to commit a crime. Half of these are women. That leaves an adult Catholic population of 6% supplying 50% of the prison population. Liverpool, England produces three percent as many young criminals as Birmingham, a larger city, 28% coming from Catholic schools. What does this tell you about parochial school systems or claims that religion is the guardian of morals? * Fifty-two percent of people belong to no church, yet live clean lives and * * supply less than 1% of the total criminal population. So much for * * religious indoctrination. Appendix: 1997 Federal Bureau of Prisons from Denise Golumbaski, as formatted in Rice/Swift Response Number % ---------------------------- -------- Catholic 29267 39.164% Protestant 26162 35.008% Great One 5435 7.273% American Indian 2408 3.222% Nation 1734 2.320% Rasta 1485 1.987% Jewish 1325 1.773% Church of Christ 1303 1.744% Pentecostal 1093 1.463% Moorish 1066 1.426% Buddhist 882 1.180% Jehovah Witness 665 0.890% Adventist 621 0.831% Orthodox 375 0.502% Mormon 298 0.399% Scientology 190 0.254% Atheist 156 0.209% Hindu 119 0.159% Santeria 117 0.157% Sikh 14 0.019% Bahai 9 0.012% Krishna 7 0.009% In summary, wherever is been studied, atheist make up less that 1% of the prison population, while the religionists make up the rest ( about 98 %). What does this say about who is better adjusted in the community? Check the research group called George Barna, who collect data about christians (http://www.barna.org/FlexPage.aspx?Page=BarnaUpdate&BarnaUpdateID=170) Variation in divorce rates by religion: http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_dira.htm Religion % have been divorced Jews 30% Born-again Christians 27% Other Christians 24% Atheists, Agnostics 21% Why are atheists over-represented amongst the elite group of scientists and philosophers, much less represented in prisons and seemed to perform better in family situations than the religious? I think you should spend some time looking into what atheism is about, rather than displaying your appalling ignorance (willful, I might add) for all to see. References http://moses.creighton.edu/JRS/2005/2005-11.html |
| Christianity Etc › The Pentecostal Movement And Speaking In Tongues by therationa(op): 11:43am On Feb 24, 2008 |
An interesting self-portrayal and assessment of Pentecostalism; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-VUPM2vOo7E&feature=related https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVGFWqHwLmw&feature=related Enjoy |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Paula White: Without Walls Or Without God? by therationa(m): 10:19am On Feb 24, 2008 |
On the road to critical thinking and free enquiry, I wonder ?  |
| Christianity Etc › Jesus: Man Of Peace Or Man Of War by therationa(op): 11:16pm On Feb 23, 2008 |
How did the gentle, meek and mild character of Jesus enter into the contemporary psyche when he implicates himself in some of the most vividly cruel and barbaric pronouncements of the NT. Take for instance Matthew 10: 32 - 37. 32 Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven. 33But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven. 34Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. 35For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. 36 And a man's foes shall be they of his own household. 37He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. Luke 14: 25-27 25And there went great multitudes with him: and he turned, and said unto them, 26If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple. 27And whosoever doth not bear his cross, and come after me, cannot be my disciple. What sort of message are the above passages calculated to send? |
| Education › Re: Beware Of Religious Fundamentalism In Your University Campuses by therationa(op): 10:40pm On Feb 23, 2008 |
Any more input? |
| Christianity Etc › Jesus And The Old Laws by therationa(op): 10:35pm On Feb 23, 2008 |
Jesus, being a Jew, would have grown up in an environment where the old Mosaic laws held authority. At the very least, before he started his ministry, would have been an observant Jew in all likelihood. He and his family would have observed the sabbath, practised the laws of cleanliness, observed the dietary laws, gave offerings of animals to the temple priests and would have been circumcised. In fact, he is reported as saying that he did not come to abolish the law but to fulfill it. And that his followers ought to stricter than the pharisees with respect to the laws. So what laws was Jesus referring to? Did he mean; 1) The dietary laws 2) The laws of cleanliness 3) Laws of sacrifices 4) Sabbath 5) Circumcision etc, etc, etc How are we to live today in the light of Jesus endorsing these laws? Do you know of any other laws that Jesus may have given implied approval to? ===================================================================================================== Some of my other threads The Dangers Of Religious Fundamentalism To Intellectualism https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=110955.msg1929006#msg1929006 The Dreadful Plight Of Apostasy In The Bible https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-115114.0.html Is The European Union Prophesied In The Bible? Is It The Anti-christ? https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-115053.0.html What Can Be Said To Be Definitely Known About Jesus? https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-114935.0.html Origin Of Christianity And Diabolical Mimicry In Anticipation https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-113860.0.html Hell Past, Hell Present; Which Do You Prefer? https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-113947.0.html#msg1971669 The Sexual Act And Christian Teaching https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-114332.0.html Scientific Rationalism, Reason And Faith: Which Produces Systematic Knowledge? https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-114253.0.html On The Prophesy Of The Virgin Birth Of Jesus, Part 2: https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-113676.0.html On The Historical Reliability Of The Bible https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-114215.0.html When And From Where Did Jesus Ascend Into Heaven https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-113519.0.html https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-114023.0.html#msg1972418 https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-114023.0.html#msg1972418 When Was Jesus Born? https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-113449.0.html On The Prophesy Of The Virgin Birth Of Jesus [/b]13012dg https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-113342.0.html#msg1963529 [b] Was Jesus The Prophesied Messiah? Let's Look At The Evidence. https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-113303.0.html What Are Your Chances Of Being Saved? https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-113283.0.html Who Wrote The Gospels And When Were They Written? https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-113277.0.html#msg1962589 God Selects The Rulers Of Countries; G W Bush, Sadam, Pol Pot, Abacha, Hitler https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-113186.0.html#msg1961537 Cannibalism In The Bible: Det 28:53-57, Lev 26:29, Jer 19:9, Ezek 5:10, Lam 4:10 https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-113181.0.html#msg1961343 What Are The Core Tenets (doctrines, Value And Virtues) Of Christainity? https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-112990.0.html Faith-healer And Evangelist, Maurice Cerullo, Investigated https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-113871.0.html What Fate For Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, Constantine And Tomás De Torquemada? https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-112997.0.html#msg1958617 Is The Doctrine Of Trinity Biblical? The Johannine Comma https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-112865.0.html#msg1957266 On The Authenticity Of The New Testament, Part 2 https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-112848.0.html How Is Salvation Achieved? https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-112833.0.html Only For Those Who Know Their Bibles And Some History: Who Was Jesus? https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=112697.msg1954632#msg1954632 Only For Those Who Know Their Bibles: Old Testament Stories https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=112679.msg1954426#msg1954426 Human Sacrifice In The Bible: Lev 27: 29 & Judges 11 https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=112584.msg1953340#msg1953340 Please, Please, Please: Christians - Read Read Read Your Bibles https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=112578.msg1953311#msg1953311 When Was Jesus Crucified? https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=112557.msg1952665#msg1952665 On Conversion To A Religion (christianity Or I-slam) https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=112547.msg1952353#msg1952353 Faith-healers And Tele-evangelists https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=112398.msg1950528#msg1950528 Where Did Sin Originate? https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=112377.msg1950291#msg1950291 For The Non-beleivers Only, 1 https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=112262.msg1948957#msg1948957 Would Christains Be Criminals And Offenders If They Were Not Christians? https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=112259.msg1948919#msg1948919 On The Authenticity Of The New Testament, Part 1 https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=112240.msg1948631#msg1948631 Has Atheism Got Principle? No https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=112216.msg1948180#msg1948180 It Is Biblical To Have Sex (and Lots Of It) Before Marriage https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=112139.msg1946940#msg1946940 Should The Old Testament Laws Be Observed In The Modern Era? https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=112114.msg1946682#msg1946682 Founding A State or Nation On Religious Principles https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=112086.msg1946268#msg1946268 Great Books About Non-belief https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=111928.msg1943935#msg1943935 Who Are The Self-declared Non-believer? Resources For You https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=111806.msg1942137#msg194111quc02137 Beware of a Simplistic Interpretation of Jesus's 2nd Coming Passages https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=111677.msg1939992#msg1939992 What Is The Evidence That The Bible Is The Word Of God? https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-113161.0.html#msg1960928 Archbishop Cause Furore Over Sharia Law In The Uk https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=111645.msg1939155#msg1939155 Eminent Christian Scientist (francis Collins) Explains The Evolution Of Humans https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=111482.msg1936158#msg1936158 Please, Help Me Out With Your Knowledge Of The Bible https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=111474.msg1936099#msg1936099 Why Biology Is So Important To Our Modern World https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=111466.msg1935975#msg1935975 Genesis Vs Genetics https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=111227.msg1932655#msg1932655 Please, Help Me Out With Your Knowledge Of The Bible https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-111474.0.html Jesus Genealogy https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=111222.msg1932616#msg1932616 £300 (three - Hundred Pound Sterling) Essay Competition https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=111143.msg1931508#msg1931508 Beware Of Religious Fundamentalism In Your University Campuses https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=110965.msg1929160#msg1929160 ==================================================================================================== |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Some Interesting Sites About Mus-lim Apostates by therationa(op): 10:20pm On Feb 23, 2008 |
Could it be that they are leaving because they realised it is all falsehood and superstitions? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: The Truth About Muh'ammad: Founder Of The World's Most Intolerant Religion by therationa(op): 5:05pm On Feb 23, 2008 |
olabowale:Thanks for this response: Am sure you are familiar with Ibn Warraq and his books and Ayaan Hirsi Ali. What is your take of the following? http://www.amazon.com/Why-I-Am-Not-Muslim/dp/1591020115/ref=pd_bxgy_b_img_b http://www.amazon.com/Leaving-Islam-Apostates-Speak-Out/dp/1591020689/ref=pd_sim_b_img_1 http://www.amazon.com/What-Koran-Really-Says-Commentary/dp/157392945X/ref=pd_sim_b_title_13 |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Therationa, Who Created You, God Or By Evolution. by therationa(m): 4:52pm On Feb 23, 2008 |
dafidixone:You have let your ignorance out in the public for everyone to see. You really ought to go and read up on evolution. To paraphrase Huxley, I would rather be called a descendant from a monkey than to be descendant from someone as ignorant as you. Start by asking youself questions like; How old is the earth? Why are there no fossils of mammals in the Cambrian geological column? Why are they no human fossils in the Permian? If you spend some time to educate yourself, you would learn how to ask intelligent questions, rather than make yourself look so uneducated. |
| Christianity Etc › The Dreadful Plight Of Apostasy In The Bible by therationa(op): 4:47pm On Feb 23, 2008 |
The price for apostasy in the OT, as given in Deuteronomy 13, as nothing less than the cruel stoning to dead to the apostate. This is what Deut 13 says about apostasy; 1 If a prophet, or one who foretells by dreams, appears among you and announces to you a miraculous sign or wonder, 2 and if the sign or wonder of which he has spoken takes place, and he says, "Let us follow other gods" (gods you have not known) "and let us worship them," 3 you must not listen to the words of that prophet or dreamer. The LORD your God is testing you to find out whether you love him with all your heart and with all your soul. 4 It is the LORD your God you must follow, and him you must revere. Keep his commands and obey him; serve him and hold fast to him. 5 That prophet or dreamer must be put to death, because he preached rebellion against the LORD your God, who brought you out of Egypt and redeemed you from the land of slavery; he has tried to turn you from the way the LORD your God commanded you to follow. You must purge the evil from among you. 6 If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you love, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying, "Let us go and worship other gods" (gods that neither you nor your fathers have known, 7 gods of the peoples around you, whether near or far, from one end of the land to the other), 8 do not yield to him or listen to him. Show him no pity. Do not spare him or shield him. 9 You must certainly put him to death. Your hand must be the first in putting him to death, and then the hands of all the people. 10 Stone him to death, because he tried to turn you away from the LORD your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery. 11 Then all Israel will hear and be afraid, and no one among you will do such an evil thing again. 12 If you hear it said about one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you to live in 13 that wicked men have arisen among you and have led the people of their town astray, saying, "Let us go and worship other gods" (gods you have not known), 14 then you must inquire, probe and investigate it thoroughly. And if it is true and it has been proved that this detestable thing has been done among you, 15 you must certainly put to the sword all who live in that town. Destroy it completely, both its people and its livestock. 16 Gather all the plunder of the town into the middle of the public square and completely burn the town and all its plunder as a whole burnt offering to the LORD your God. It is to remain a ruin forever, never to be rebuilt. 17 None of those condemned things shall be found in your hands, so that the LORD will turn from his fierce anger; he will show you mercy, have compassion on you, and increase your numbers, as he promised on oath to your forefathers, 18 because you obey the LORD your God, keeping all his commands that I am giving you today and doing what is right in his eyes. This is one of the most barbaric of injunctions in the bible, killing someone for not believing in the same god as someone else. In the Dark and Middle Ages, the Christian authorities relied on Deut 13 for the brutal treatment disbelievers. What was the point of such barbaric laws? If so, when was it repealed given that we don't see apostates killed for leaving behind their beliefs today? ===================================================================================================== Some of my other threads The Dangers Of Religious Fundamentalism To Intellectualism https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=110955.msg1929006#msg1929006 The Dreadful Plight Of Apostasy In The Bible https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-115114.0.html Is The European Union Prophesied In The Bible? Is It The Anti-christ? https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-115053.0.html What Can Be Said To Be Definitely Known About Jesus? https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-114935.0.html Origin Of Christianity And Diabolical Mimicry In Anticipation https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-113860.0.html Hell Past, Hell Present; Which Do You Prefer? https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-113947.0.html#msg1971669 The Sexual Act And Christian Teaching https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-114332.0.html Scientific Rationalism, Reason And Faith: Which Produces Systematic Knowledge? https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-114253.0.html On The Prophesy Of The Virgin Birth Of Jesus, Part 2: https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-113676.0.html On The Historical Reliability Of The Bible https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-114215.0.html When And From Where Did Jesus Ascend Into Heaven https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-113519.0.html https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-114023.0.html#msg1972418 https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-114023.0.html#msg1972418 When Was Jesus Born? https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-113449.0.html On The Prophesy Of The Virgin Birth Of Jesus [/b]13012dg https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-113342.0.html#msg1963529 [b] Was Jesus The Prophesied Messiah? Let's Look At The Evidence. https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-113303.0.html What Are Your Chances Of Being Saved? https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-113283.0.html Who Wrote The Gospels And When Were They Written? https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-113277.0.html#msg1962589 God Selects The Rulers Of Countries; G W Bush, Sadam, Pol Pot, Abacha, Hitler https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-113186.0.html#msg1961537 Cannibalism In The Bible: Det 28:53-57, Lev 26:29, Jer 19:9, Ezek 5:10, Lam 4:10 https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-113181.0.html#msg1961343 What Are The Core Tenets (doctrines, Value And Virtues) Of Christainity? https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-112990.0.html Faith-healer And Evangelist, Maurice Cerullo, Investigated https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-113871.0.html What Fate For Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, Constantine And Tomás De Torquemada? https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-112997.0.html#msg1958617 Is The Doctrine Of Trinity Biblical? The Johannine Comma https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-112865.0.html#msg1957266 On The Authenticity Of The New Testament, Part 2 https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-112848.0.html How Is Salvation Achieved? https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-112833.0.html Only For Those Who Know Their Bibles And Some History: Who Was Jesus? https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=112697.msg1954632#msg1954632 Only For Those Who Know Their Bibles: Old Testament Stories https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=112679.msg1954426#msg1954426 Human Sacrifice In The Bible: Lev 27: 29 & Judges 11 https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=112584.msg1953340#msg1953340 Please, Please, Please: Christians - Read Read Read Your Bibles https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=112578.msg1953311#msg1953311 When Was Jesus Crucified? https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=112557.msg1952665#msg1952665 On Conversion To A Religion (christianity Or I-slam) https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=112547.msg1952353#msg1952353 Faith-healers And Tele-evangelists https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=112398.msg1950528#msg1950528 Where Did Sin Originate? https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=112377.msg1950291#msg1950291 For The Non-beleivers Only, 1 https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=112262.msg1948957#msg1948957 Would Christains Be Criminals And Offenders If They Were Not Christians? https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=112259.msg1948919#msg1948919 On The Authenticity Of The New Testament, Part 1 https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=112240.msg1948631#msg1948631 Has Atheism Got Principle? No https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=112216.msg1948180#msg1948180 It Is Biblical To Have Sex (and Lots Of It) Before Marriage https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=112139.msg1946940#msg1946940 Should The Old Testament Laws Be Observed In The Modern Era? https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=112114.msg1946682#msg1946682 Founding A State or Nation On Religious Principles https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=112086.msg1946268#msg1946268 Great Books About Non-belief https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=111928.msg1943935#msg1943935 Who Are The Self-declared Non-believer? Resources For You https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=111806.msg1942137#msg194111quc02137 Beware of a Simplistic Interpretation of Jesus's 2nd Coming Passages https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=111677.msg1939992#msg1939992 What Is The Evidence That The Bible Is The Word Of God? https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-113161.0.html#msg1960928 Archbishop Cause Furore Over Sharia Law In The Uk https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=111645.msg1939155#msg1939155 Eminent Christian Scientist (francis Collins) Explains The Evolution Of Humans https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=111482.msg1936158#msg1936158 Please, Help Me Out With Your Knowledge Of The Bible https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=111474.msg1936099#msg1936099 Why Biology Is So Important To Our Modern World https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=111466.msg1935975#msg1935975 Genesis Vs Genetics https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=111227.msg1932655#msg1932655 Please, Help Me Out With Your Knowledge Of The Bible https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-111474.0.html Jesus Genealogy https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=111222.msg1932616#msg1932616 £300 (three - Hundred Pound Sterling) Essay Competition https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=111143.msg1931508#msg1931508 Beware Of Religious Fundamentalism In Your University Campuses https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=110965.msg1929160#msg1929160 ==================================================================================================== |
| Christianity Etc › Some Interesting Sites About Mus-lim Apostates by therationa(op): 4:13pm On Feb 23, 2008 |
| Christianity Etc › The Truth About Muh'ammad: Founder Of The World's Most Intolerant Religion by therationa(op): 3:53pm On Feb 23, 2008 |
There is a recent book about Muh'ammad called "The Truth about Muh'ammad". I give the link here: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1596985283/ref=s9_asin_image_2?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=center-6&pf_rd_r=0GNNPWFSS220WYDNYNB5&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=320449101&pf_rd_i=507846 Has anyone had a chance to read this book, yet? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Therationa, Who Created You, God Or By Evolution. by therationa(m): 3:46pm On Feb 23, 2008 |
Skyone, Have you had a thought about the questions I posed you? |
| Christianity Etc › Letting Go Of God: Julia Sweeney by therationa(op): 1:12pm On Feb 23, 2008 |
Listen to these brilliant talks by Julia https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OtIyx687ytk&feature=related https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7sfTOcHONow https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mC5c2s82QA4&feature=related https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QcBzvBdsPF0&NR=1 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdnXHq8MKEI&feature=related Enjoy ! |
| Christianity Etc › Is The Bible Inerrant? Listen To Bart Erhman by therationa(op): 12:25pm On Feb 23, 2008 |
Why is the story of the woman caught in prostitution not in the original and oldest manuscripts of the gospel? Listen to Bart Erhman explain why. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_o-sKzaS78 And check out his new book; http://www.amazon.com/Gods-Problem-Answer-Important-Question-Why/dp/0061173975/ref=pd_sim_b_title_45 Enjoy. |
| Christianity Etc › Is The European Union Prophesied In The Bible? Is It The Anti-christ? by therationa(op): 12:07pm On Feb 23, 2008 |
Today, what are the chances of an all-out war between the main countries of the European Union (EU)? Say, Germany Vs France or England Vs France or Italy Vs Portugal? What if the African continent had a functioning union of states, similar to the EU, which drew the various disparate cultures together in matters of economy, governance, health, environment, social services and security. Would such a union bode for peace and stability or would it be a harbinger for instability, chaos and destruction? Well, apparently, the answer depends on whether you believe in some of the prophetic pronouncements of Christian ministers, the likes of John Hagee. According to Hagee, the EU is the sign of the last days, with the EU representing the anti-christ. I combed the bible to find a direct or indirect reference to the EU to no avail. How do these guys come up with these things. In the last 2000 years, christians of every era have felt their times were the Last Days. Our time is no exception. We have had some many Last Days and so many Anti-Christs that it is difficult to list them all here. Within living memory Hitler, Mussolini, De Gaul, the Popes, Reagan have been describes by christian as the anti-christ. What are the characteristics of the Anti-Christ and is the EU the latter-day Anti-Christ? More Info http://www.fulfilledprophecy.com/ http://contenderministries.org/prophecy/romanempire.php ===================================================================================================== Some of my other threads The Dangers Of Religious Fundamentalism To Intellectualism https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=110955.msg1929006#msg1929006 Is The European Union Prophesied In The Bible? Is It The Anti-christ? https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-115053.0.html What Can Be Said To Be Definitely Known About Jesus? https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-114935.0.html Origin Of Christianity And Diabolical Mimicry In Anticipation https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-113860.0.html Hell Past, Hell Present; Which Do You Prefer? https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-113947.0.html#msg1971669 The Sexual Act And Christian Teaching https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-114332.0.html Scientific Rationalism, Reason And Faith: Which Produces Systematic Knowledge? https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-114253.0.html On The Prophesy Of The Virgin Birth Of Jesus, Part 2: https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-113676.0.html On The Historical Reliability Of The Bible https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-114215.0.html When And From Where Did Jesus Ascend Into Heaven https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-113519.0.html https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-114023.0.html#msg1972418 https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-114023.0.html#msg1972418 When Was Jesus Born? https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-113449.0.html On The Prophesy Of The Virgin Birth Of Jesus [/b]13012dg https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-113342.0.html#msg1963529 [b] Was Jesus The Prophesied Messiah? Let's Look At The Evidence. https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-113303.0.html What Are Your Chances Of Being Saved? https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-113283.0.html Who Wrote The Gospels And When Were They Written? https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-113277.0.html#msg1962589 God Selects The Rulers Of Countries; G W Bush, Sadam, Pol Pot, Abacha, Hitler https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-113186.0.html#msg1961537 Cannibalism In The Bible: Det 28:53-57, Lev 26:29, Jer 19:9, Ezek 5:10, Lam 4:10 https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-113181.0.html#msg1961343 What Are The Core Tenets (doctrines, Value And Virtues) Of Christainity? https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-112990.0.html Faith-healer And Evangelist, Maurice Cerullo, Investigated https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-113871.0.html What Fate For Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, Constantine And Tomás De Torquemada? https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-112997.0.html#msg1958617 Is The Doctrine Of Trinity Biblical? The Johannine Comma https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-112865.0.html#msg1957266 On The Authenticity Of The New Testament, Part 2 https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-112848.0.html How Is Salvation Achieved? https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-112833.0.html Only For Those Who Know Their Bibles And Some History: Who Was Jesus? https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=112697.msg1954632#msg1954632 Only For Those Who Know Their Bibles: Old Testament Stories https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=112679.msg1954426#msg1954426 Human Sacrifice In The Bible: Lev 27: 29 & Judges 11 https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=112584.msg1953340#msg1953340 Please, Please, Please: Christians - Read Read Read Your Bibles https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=112578.msg1953311#msg1953311 When Was Jesus Crucified? https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=112557.msg1952665#msg1952665 On Conversion To A Religion (christianity Or I-slam) https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=112547.msg1952353#msg1952353 Faith-healers And Tele-evangelists https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=112398.msg1950528#msg1950528 Where Did Sin Originate? https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=112377.msg1950291#msg1950291 For The Non-beleivers Only, 1 https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=112262.msg1948957#msg1948957 Would Christains Be Criminals And Offenders If They Were Not Christians? https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=112259.msg1948919#msg1948919 On The Authenticity Of The New Testament, Part 1 https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=112240.msg1948631#msg1948631 Has Atheism Got Principle? No https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=112216.msg1948180#msg1948180 It Is Biblical To Have Sex (and Lots Of It) Before Marriage https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=112139.msg1946940#msg1946940 Should The Old Testament Laws Be Observed In The Modern Era? https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=112114.msg1946682#msg1946682 Founding A State or Nation On Religious Principles https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=112086.msg1946268#msg1946268 Great Books About Non-belief https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=111928.msg1943935#msg1943935 Who Are The Self-declared Non-believer? 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| Christianity Etc › Re: On The Prophesy Of The Virgin Birth Of Jesus, Part 2: by therationa(op): 12:56am On Feb 23, 2008 |
stimulus:I thought this was a well-written article. What do you think? I await you review. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: The Daily Contradictions Of The Bible Thread. by therationa(m): 12:49am On Feb 23, 2008 |
[quote author=Stimulus ]It's a good thing you're actually interested in the Bible - not because you can produce any remarkable effort that has not been seen or heard of before now; but because such effort rather manifests your unsettled conscience against the claims of the Bible. BTW, the Bible is not a threat or harm to you; and the 'daily contradictions' have not demonstrated that you're that intelligent to hold your own rationale in the arguments you make. I'd respect the request you've claimed that this thread is not a matter of daily argument (which has become the solo you and therationa sing in new threads where you're too scared to face up to your own assumptions). However, these seemingly "contradictory" lines could be taken up line-by-line, topic by topic, precept by precept (and they have been addressed in other threads and sites). I have offered that challenge before to you and therationa several times; and you didn't disappoint me by ducking those invitations - because you're only doing the same thing that I've seen others do because they can't hold their own arguments coherently! It is not as if there are no answers to your misgivings - but even where they are offered, you typically excuse them away as if the excuses in themselves atone for the weaknesses in your assumptions. In anycase, your efforts typically show that you're being too cheap - as others who have gone down that road before you. I'd like to see you actually hold your own ground rationally one of these days, if you care. The invitations I offered you and therationa are still open. When you can find enough gumption to take that offer, let me know. Grin[/quote]Why don't you just respond to the various contradiction. Why all this special pleading? Admittedly, there are some threads that lend themselves to debates, other not so well. I think this thread offers you the chances to refute all the contradictions. Take it up buddy. |
| Christianity Etc › Figure On The Cross by therationa(op): 9:50pm On Feb 22, 2008 |
Who is depicted on the figure below?
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| Christianity Etc › Re: Therationa, Who Created You, God Or By Evolution. by therationa(m): 9:33pm On Feb 22, 2008 |
skyone:Hello Skyone, thankx for your questions. Here goes my answer; With due respect, I think this is a very naive question, if your understanding of creation is any way a reference to a fully formed human from the beginning of existence. It is the sort of question you could direct to an infant who has not yet left infant school. In intellectual terms, it is the equivalent of "Daddy, how does Santa Claus deliver all the toys to all the children in one night on the eve of xmas? If you mean by creation in the biblical sense, then I would have to say that I disagreement with that notion of creation. However, if you mean by creation, any force or process that is capable of generation complexity and complex structures, then I would have to say that I, you, everything around us are the creation of unguided natural forces. Consider the following; As a matter of scientific fact, the two most abundant elements of the universe are hydrogen and helium. These two elements were created in the BIG BANG about 14 billion years ago. All the other known elements are cooked up and spewed within stars. All living and non-living things are made of elements created within stars. These elements condensed into galaxies, planets and other cosmic structures. Life started on planet earth about a billion year into the 4 billion year old earth. How it started is still subject to scientific investigation. However, it has been shown beyond a doubt that for about a billion years the only lifeforms on earth were single-cell bateria and things like stromatolites. In fact, the oxygen in the atmosphere was created by the metabolic processes of such bateria, leaving behind precipitates of iron-ore. Once life had started, a different process (evolution) then got hold of the living organisms molded them into the diversity of life you have today. So to answer your question directly, I was created by a series of processes; 1- BIG BANG 2- Birth and death of stars 3- Formation of planets 4- Start of live 5- Evolution The fact that 4) is not well understood does not mean that it shall forever remain so. I hope you got something out of that. But I have got some questions for you myself; 1) - What is the speed of light? 2) - How long does it take light to travel from one end of our galaxy (Milky Way) to the other? 3) - How long ago did the dinosaur become extinct? 4) - What proportions of life was wiped out during the end-permian extinction? 5) - Have you ever visited a museum? |
| Christianity Etc › What Can Be Said To Be Definitely Known About Jesus? by therationa(op): 6:21pm On Feb 22, 2008 |
Recently, a number of threads have been raising some pertinent questions about the historical reliability of the narratives about Jesus. We have had questions that have; 1) Questioned the prophecies of his virgin birth 2) Questioned the nativity narratives 3) Challenged the narratives about his crucifixion and resurrection 4) Questioned the authenticity of the pronoucements attributed to him In this thread, I would like to ask a slightly different question, viz; What do we know (or have) about the Jesus story that have all the hallmarks of historical verifiability and authenticity? Is there anything about which there is no dispute but rather unanumous agreement as historical facts? If there are element of doubtful historicity, what consequence would that have on any foundational doctrine based on it? ===================================================================================================== Some of my other threads The Dangers Of Religious Fundamentalism To Intellectualism https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=110955.msg1929006#msg1929006 What Can Be Said To Be Definitely Known About Jesus? https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-114935.0.html Origin Of Christianity And Diabolical Mimicry In Anticipation https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-113860.0.html Hell Past, Hell Present; Which Do You Prefer? https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-113947.0.html#msg1971669 The Sexual Act And Christian Teaching https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-114332.0.html Scientific Rationalism, Reason And Faith: Which Produces Systematic Knowledge? https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-114253.0.html On The Prophesy Of The Virgin Birth Of Jesus, Part 2: https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-113676.0.html On The Historical Reliability Of The Bible https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-114215.0.html When And From Where Did Jesus Ascend Into Heaven https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-113519.0.html https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-114023.0.html#msg1972418 https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-114023.0.html#msg1972418 When Was Jesus Born? https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-113449.0.html On The Prophesy Of The Virgin Birth Of Jesus [/b]13012dg https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-113342.0.html#msg1963529 [b] Was Jesus The Prophesied Messiah? Let's Look At The Evidence. https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-113303.0.html What Are Your Chances Of Being Saved? https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-113283.0.html Who Wrote The Gospels And When Were They Written? https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-113277.0.html#msg1962589 God Selects The Rulers Of Countries; G W Bush, Sadam, Pol Pot, Abacha, Hitler https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-113186.0.html#msg1961537 Cannibalism In The Bible: Det 28:53-57, Lev 26:29, Jer 19:9, Ezek 5:10, Lam 4:10 https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-113181.0.html#msg1961343 What Are The Core Tenets (doctrines, Value And Virtues) Of Christainity? https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-112990.0.html Faith-healer And Evangelist, Maurice Cerullo, Investigated https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-113871.0.html What Fate For Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, Constantine And Tomás De Torquemada? https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-112997.0.html#msg1958617 Is The Doctrine Of Trinity Biblical? The Johannine Comma https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-112865.0.html#msg1957266 On The Authenticity Of The New Testament, Part 2 https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-112848.0.html How Is Salvation Achieved? https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-112833.0.html Only For Those Who Know Their Bibles And Some History: Who Was Jesus? https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=112697.msg1954632#msg1954632 Only For Those Who Know Their Bibles: Old Testament Stories https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=112679.msg1954426#msg1954426 Human Sacrifice In The Bible: Lev 27: 29 & Judges 11 https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=112584.msg1953340#msg1953340 Please, Please, Please: Christians - Read Read Read Your Bibles https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=112578.msg1953311#msg1953311 When Was Jesus Crucified? https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=112557.msg1952665#msg1952665 On Conversion To A Religion (christianity Or I-slam) https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=112547.msg1952353#msg1952353 Faith-healers And Tele-evangelists https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=112398.msg1950528#msg1950528 Where Did Sin Originate? https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=112377.msg1950291#msg1950291 For The Non-beleivers Only, 1 https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=112262.msg1948957#msg1948957 Would Christains Be Criminals And Offenders If They Were Not Christians? https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=112259.msg1948919#msg1948919 On The Authenticity Of The New Testament, Part 1 https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=112240.msg1948631#msg1948631 Has Atheism Got Principle? No https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=112216.msg1948180#msg1948180 It Is Biblical To Have Sex (and Lots Of It) Before Marriage https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=112139.msg1946940#msg1946940 Should The Old Testament Laws Be Observed In The Modern Era? https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=112114.msg1946682#msg1946682 Founding A State or Nation On Religious Principles https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=112086.msg1946268#msg1946268 Great Books About Non-belief https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=111928.msg1943935#msg1943935 Who Are The Self-declared Non-believer? Resources For You https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=111806.msg1942137#msg194111quc02137 Beware of a Simplistic Interpretation of Jesus's 2nd Coming Passages https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=111677.msg1939992#msg1939992 What Is The Evidence That The Bible Is The Word Of God? https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-113161.0.html#msg1960928 Archbishop Cause Furore Over Sharia Law In The Uk https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=111645.msg1939155#msg1939155 Eminent Christian Scientist (francis Collins) Explains The Evolution Of Humans https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=111482.msg1936158#msg1936158 Please, Help Me Out With Your Knowledge Of The Bible https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=111474.msg1936099#msg1936099 Why Biology Is So Important To Our Modern World https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=111466.msg1935975#msg1935975 Genesis Vs Genetics https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=111227.msg1932655#msg1932655 Please, Help Me Out With Your Knowledge Of The Bible https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-111474.0.html Jesus Genealogy https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=111222.msg1932616#msg1932616 £300 (three - Hundred Pound Sterling) Essay Competition https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=111143.msg1931508#msg1931508 Beware Of Religious Fundamentalism In Your University Campuses https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=110965.msg1929160#msg1929160 ==================================================================================================== |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Thou Shalt Not Kill by therationa(op): 1:13am On Feb 22, 2008 |
Are you saying that the was no sins until the laws were given. What were these laws? the 10 commandments and the laws of Moses. BTW, Lets not get bogged down with Moses. I am trying to make a general moral point. And that is - if we had neardarthals or other forms of humans (humanoids) around today, how how we treat them? This happen once in the past, when man met neandarthal. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Thou Shalt Not Kill by therationa(op): 1:04am On Feb 22, 2008 |
4Him:No. Neither did the humans at the time. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Thou Shalt Not Kill by therationa(op): 12:59am On Feb 22, 2008 |
4Him:that's not what i meant. I meant, when homo sapiens first met the neandarthal, would it have been murder if one killed the other? |
| Christianity Etc › Reinhard Bonnke In Africa: Are The Religious Simply Too Easily Deceived? by therationa(op): 12:56am On Feb 22, 2008 |
Watch Reinhard Bonnke in Africa and how they appear to screen the candidates for miracle; He also avoids a great chance to show the power of Jesus by refusing to attempt to raise a child from the dead. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3TKBJjZdmhE Enjoy |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Thou Shalt Not Kill by therationa(op): 12:52am On Feb 22, 2008 |
How about my question about Neandarthal? |
| Christianity Etc › Reinhard Bonnke Raised Man From The Dead? by therationa(op): 12:50am On Feb 22, 2008 |
I have just come across this report on the net about Bonnke having raised Pastor Daniel Ekechukwu from the dead in Onitsha in 2002. I got it from http://www.deceptioninthechurch.com/bonnke2.html. Anyone heard about this? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Thou Shalt Not Kill by therationa(op): 12:27am On Feb 22, 2008 |
This is what the Lord of hosts has to say: 'I will punish what Amalek did to Israel when he barred his way as he was coming up from Egypt. Go, now, attack Amalek, and deal with him and all that he has under the ban. Do not spare him, b[b]ut kill men and women, children and infants, oxen and sheep, camels and asses[/b].' (1 Samuel 15:2-3 NAB) When the people heard the sound of the horns, they shouted as loud as they could. Suddenly, the walls of Jericho collapsed, and the Israelites charged straight into the city from every side and captured it. They completely destroyed everything in it – men and women, young and old, cattle, sheep, donkeys – everything. (Joshua 6:20-21 NLT) The above two passages make reference to children and infants (young) and animal. What possibly could the animals have done to warrant such cruel treatment? |
