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Angelfrost:
Thank you for your response....

Firstly, there is no "health situation". Please, don't be fooled by these media antics. They are all down to eye service.

There is a pandemic (I can never deny or play this down)... So, the way forward is simple and outlined below:

1. Quit spreading fear and panic. It won't work on the teeming majority. Rather intensively preach, teach and sensitize the masses on preventive guidelines (especially the grassroot).

2. Put firm restrictions on air travel in and out to highly endemic nations (England being top of the current pile). This is not as difficult as you might have been led to think, it's all politics to your leaders... This also ought to have been in place long before now, and even prior to Number 1 above.

3. Strictly and unwaveringly compel all incoming travellers to be tested and retested (if already tested abroad), observe monitored self isolation for the globally accepted time frame before being allowed into general population... There ought to be no exceptions to this.

4. Number 3 above should and must be applied to all land and water entry borders as well... Anyone finding this impossible to comply with should stay the fvck away from Nigeria... No exceptions too.

5. Be firmer in enforcing preventive guidelines among citizenry at federal and state levels.

With the above in place, why on earth would there be a need to lock any state or people down?!! There would be absolutely no necessity to punish the economy and impoverish the people... This is what smart nations are already doing... It's just commonsense!!!

If I were a governor, I would never lock down my state for any silly reason... Governors joining the international bandwagon are either being wicked, selfish, or crooked!!!

We are an independent and sovereign nation. Let us act like one for a change!!! Copying nations to lock down when you can never be close to them economically smacks of serious stupidity!!!

Makes sense. I agree wholeheartedly. Even developed nations deeply ravaged by the virus are being wary of lockdowns at the moment. Thanks.

Angelfrost:
...And what proof do you have that we haven't gotten close to that number of infected/carrier cases?!!

You think infected cases are only those who come down with severe symptoms?!! Are you testing anywhere close to the capacity of America and Europe?!!

Please, don't flatter yourself. We contained nothing, are containing nothing, and will never be able to contain a damn thing... Forget the media grandstanding of NCDC. They have to justify their high wages.

Ask yourself why state governors reneged on initial banning of crossover services... They knew the charade won't hold.

A total shutdown didn't achieve anything with regards to containment of spread, as it was not adhered to by almost all Nigerians. It only worsened the financial health of most Nigerians... It went on to set the stage for Endsars crisis. Another one will be simply catastrophic.

It's quite funny that it's largely the very affluent and privileged few that are calling for widespread restrictions and even lockdown.

Your fear mongering will cost us even far more!!! Fact!!!

Angelfrost, I quite agree with your position that another lockdown will be economically counter productive and that the NCDC/taskforce efforts have done little to contain the spread of the virus. However, you have not stated the way forward in managing the health situation. Surely it cannot be just to leave everything to go on unchecked as that will be grossly irresponsible of the Government.

Maybe the guy is part of the 10% outliers in which the vaccine would fail. It means we still have a long way to go in bringing down this frustrating pandemic.

Since they are saying one needs to take two doses to achieve 95% efficacy. In 9ja, to be able to take the first dose will be war due to our mago-mago peculiarities, let alone the second dose. So in all likelihood, we should be looking at 2nd half of 2021 as the realistic timeline for effective vaccinations for Nigerians.

We will be alright las las.

Seun, Mynd44, Lalasticlala this is FP worthy.

Wow. For my favorite movies are:

1. The Rock (Nicolas cage & Sean Connery)
2. Avengers Endgame (most highest grossing film of all time)
3. The Gods must be crazy 1-3 (best adventure film of all time for me)
4. The Lord of the Rings trilogy
5. RoboCop & Coming to America (can't separate them sorry)

Fav Series
1. Prison Break (best thing on TV of all time for me)
2. 24
3. Game of thrones
4. KyleXY
5. The 4400

princeade86:
with three world cup?

I thought this thread was about the most goals for a single club? Or am I missing something.

FYI while there are records Pele retains over Messi, there are also many records that Messi has that Pele does not.

princeade86:
can he even match pele record at all? I doubt it.

Ermm, are you still stuck in 2009? cos He has already broken Pele's record.

See lame excuse. They can't stomach the thought of Messi breaking Pele's record. So they are including unofficial goals scored in friendly club matches. So who told them that Messi did not score in friendly club matches too, or all his goals for Barcelona junior side when he was still under-17.

Anyway, only official club matches count when assessing a player's club goals. How do you assess a player's brilliance in non-competitive games?

Santos should go and take a backseat joor.

4tomandchi:
Companies looking for cheap work force are calling it empowerment what none sense why not employ full graduates and pay them well.

Sanofi already employs Nigerians on a full time basis and pays them well in Nigeria. This is just an initiative from them to assist young prospects in the Nigerian health sector to make a mark and gain recognition.

Nice story. But the experience with the rich man was over exaggerated. 90% of all rich executives in Nigeria will react in the same way because they are truly typically very busy and may not have the luxury of time to connect with your idea if their business is not into that line.

DrayZee:
Stop lying na...stop lying fgs. You quoted Wikipedia, then sprinkled your lies inside the quote

Instead of you to pray that Messi will win award, you decided to start lying shamelessly. Wetin be this na?

Is it that you are too lazy to read and you are hiding it with blind accusations of lying?

Why don't you go ahead and check the Wikipedia link yourself and see whether I edited any part of it. Lying shamelessly yen yen yen.. I know its a bitter one for you to swallow.

Why would I be praying that Messi wins a backyard award organized by CR7's company? Please use your God-given sense oga.

Edited

I see someone has already gone to crop out the CR7 part from the Wikipedia link.

Fortunately that changes nothing. I have included 2 different links below. Its public knowledge that cannot be erased out:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/tribuna.com/amp/fcbarcelona/en/news/2019-12-29-just-in-messi-left-behind-cristiano-in-globe-soccers-player-of-the-year-award/

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.rt.com/sport/477108-ronaldo-best-footballer-award-messi/amp/

theoneJabulani:
Take marca out of your arguments, since Ronaldo left Madrid, marca has actually toned down on their support of Ronaldo

Even if Marca has toned down their support, what about CR7 himself whose company organizes the Globe soccer awards?

Is that not a perpetual conflict of interest?

TheHulk616:
that is not true and that's a fact.

See link below.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Globe_Soccer_Awards

I'll post the opening paragraph for you so you don't have any excuse:

"The Globe Soccer Awards, also known as the Dubai d'Ors are the annual awards given for excellence in football. Silva International Investments (owned by Portuguese international Cristiano Ronaldo)[1] and Tommaso Bendoni[2] organize the Globe Soccer Awards."

So I ask you as a rational person, if Messi organizes an award and then gives himself the award, will you recognize it as a credible award??

TheHulk616:
did you verify my facts?

Which fact? Messi is neither a sponsor of Ballon d'or nor Fifa best player, either personally nor through his companies. I verified.

Marca and CR7 on the other hand are key shareholder and sponsor of the Dubai based Globe Soccer awards. Pls disprove that.

TheHulk616:
FIFA and UEFA are fraudulent awards.

Globe soccer awards are the greatest.

I see you are actually a Messi's fan Cos it's only sarcasm that can explain the above comment.

TheHulk616:
[s][/s] lies.

FIFA best, ballon dor are sponsored by messi

Lol, I see you are allergic to the truth. Why don't you go and verify my assertions instead of advertising your ignorance here. Pls cancel this post again it will not take away the fact that you are in denial of the truth.

Ntoor

Lol, An award to massage CR7's ego.

For those who don't know, one of CR7's companies is one of the sponsors of the award. Also, Marca a Real Madrid based journal is one of the chief stakeholders/shareholders of the awarding organization.

So, in all honesty, who else do you expect a CR7 sponsored organization give the award to?

Moreover, the selection of Salah as a better player of this premature century ahead of Zidane, Ronaldinho, Kaka, Ronaldo De Lima, Iniesta, Henry and Robben puts the nail in the coffin for the lack of absolute credibility of this award which has "bought" written all over it.

nothingmore123:
Thanks for your patience. You provided valid points to assist the misinformed but he keeps twisting the defence and contradicting himself.
I don't know what it takes for one to admit a simple mistake and move on. That issue is not worth debating, it's a simple fact. I only wonder the kind of "researchers" we have. His stance on environmental issues on the first post is flawed

Thanks bro. He was obviously grasping at straws, but I had his time today. There are plenty of misinformed stubborn persons like that here on Nairaland. We'll deal with as many as is within our limit.

unatryooh:
I am struggling to find where I said so. I was pointing out the fact that even the so called warm weather isn't rosy.

I would think by now you should have understood that you were quick to reach conclusion on my statement without asking for further clarification.


Edit.

I don't know what you do for a living. But I will put this out for those who care. Results from global studies more especially based on self reported data should be interpreted with utmost caution.

Using extreme weather for example. Extreme hot weather are mostly found in poor or third world countries ( by third world I meant as per economy not their involvement in world wars. Before you accuse me of something I did not say again ). These countries are notorious for having poor records and more so under reporting.

It could be that globally the true magnitude of the difference in the mortality associated to cold weather and hot weather is what is reported or the magnitude cold be less if those poor resource countries have the capability and will to report and update their data.

Let me bring this home for you.
I recall a certain flood incident in Nigeria (I won't mention the community). NEMA was quick on ground collected data and it took them several months to get around to analysing and reporting their findings.

By the time they did some of the identified fammers that needed help were already dead several months before the arrival of aids. Most of aids were already bad after sitting several months in warehouses while waiting for data from the field before disbursement.

This is more than 2 years and I am yet to find that specific data on one of European global extreme weather database.

You stated and I quote "Experience master, did you know that more people die from heat waves each year than from cold?"

Now that statement above is a complete lie. So saying a lot of story subsequently that is irrelevant to the purported statement does not make any sense. I suggest that you swallow your mistake and move on. Progression in science is not based on the kind of irrelevant long-winded reasonings you are exhibiting here.

I looked at the edited part you added and see that you are even contradicting yourself. If studies that demonstrate that cold weather is more dangerous should be interpreted with caution simply because of possible incomplete data from tropical 3rd world countries, on what logical basis are you then asserting the opposite so confidently without any verifiable data

unatryooh:
Another one quick to type. Did you read my comments about nresearch on cold killing more than heat. Did you read the short comings of the objections in the paper.

If I would stick to your line of argument do you know that more people die of heat in Nigeria than cold? Over the years more people have died of extreme heat than cold in warm climate. Do you see my point?

But on a serious note my point to you guys is that people in tropical climate have issued to contend with and shoving snow is the least of things to complain about.

In addition can you point out where I said that extreme weather is not an issues? Meanwhile can you point out any place with relative extreme hot weather whose opposite is that of Arctic and Antarctica that people live in? Extreme weather both cold and hot are dangerous.

You make me laugh. No shortcomings of any research can disprove the fact that globally, cold weather is a higher leading cause of death than hot weather. Your arguments are here and there and they lack a tangible focal point.

You saying more people die of heat in India and Nigeria than cold. Lol, before nko, are those not tropical countries? Is it heat that will kill people more in Iceland for example when its a temperate country? This line of thought isn't fit for an intellectual discourse as it does not negate the fact that Cold weather kills more people directly than hot weather GLOBALLY.

And I mentioned the Sahara desert as a perfect contrast to the Antarctica. Yet more people live in the Sahara region (Mali, Mauritania, Niger, Libya, Algeria, Egypt, Sudan, Chad, Western Sahara, Northern Nigeria) than the Antarctica and Arctic combined (even though both combined are larger in size than the Sahara). That you do not know this fact portrays you as a pseudo-intellectual.

I have no problem with you having problem with the Lady's snow-shovelling time. What I have an issue with is you saying that Cold weather is less dangerous than hot weather globally and trying to justify the false assertion wrongly, instead of just admitting the obvious gaffe and moving on.

unatryooh:
For the fact that life has given her a leg up and she chose to hold on to little inconvenience is what pissed me off ( without me considering there could be other underlying reasons for her complaints).

Bros I sieve through reports of children health across the globe everyday and of women's health. I get piss when I see people with better opportunities in life nag about things that deos not matter.

Here most of my colleagues have learnt not to complain about the train or metro delaying for 5 minutes (for them it ruin their joy for the rest of the day) . Funny thing is that most of them that have lived elsewhere Africa and South America never complain about the little live inconveniences but they have come to appreciate life more.

Yes, I should have chose my choice of words nicely but being a Nigerian "you know as e dey do us for body"

For someone who has been living abroad for a while and who likes to write and research a lot, your display of ignorance here is mindboggling. That you are trying to downplay the severity of an extremely cold climate on human welfare is startling. Its not a coincidence that the Arctic and Antarctica are less inhabited than the Sahara region.

How the heavens could you ignorantly say that heat kills more people than cold so confidently and then try to justify it with some lame humidity vs temperature theory when your gaffe was exposed? Its not even close at all. If as a research inclined person, you propagate unfounded lies like this all in a bid to criticize someone's opinion of their living conditions, then your sense of objectivity is profoundly suspect.

Extremely cold weather is a big deal, even to the whites. That they have found a way to cope with it does not make it less of an issue.

Babaibe:
NCDC agent, we sabi you. Sorry tell us your own relative that covid as killed. At least a lady claimed her husband contacted it and another idiot just lied, he lost an uncle. You are paid for this we know and for a country that paid celebrities to lied of contacting covid, then positioning people on social media is the easiest thing. Mind you covid is real but I am very sure in Nigeria it is tending to zero.

I really feel like yabbing you for this your comment but then, it'll be a waste of energy. So I ask you respectfully, on what sensible basis is the covid situation in Nigeria tending to zero when people are mixing freely with one another without precautions? What proof do you have that all these regular people/celebrities are lying other than your personal primordial sentiments? Are we to take your own personal beliefs as fact? If I tell you a red ribbon is actually blue in colour, should I expect you to accept that as fact just because in my mind, the ribbon is blue?

You need help o. Anyways, Merry xmas.

davodyguy:
Guys COVID-19 is real

I just lost an uncle yesterday, 24th December, 2020.

You'll not hear about it because he's not a celebrity like Davido or politician like Sanwoolu.

This deadly virus has been kill people, but we ignore it and claim it's a sickness for the rich. No sir and ma

This thing is damn real

Did you have to wait until it happened close to home before you believed? I've seen you here make mockery of the Covid situation in Nigeria saying its a scam. Now you are trying to preach to others who are also displaying ignorance like you did before. Now that it hit someone you know, is the Government/NCDC no longer cashing out or all those illogical excuses many covidiots give no longer apply here? I really want to say more but out of decorum please accept my condolences for your loss. And let your fellow peeps know that the thing does not respect anybody or Government whether cashing out or not.

Merry Christmas.

Pocohantas, pray tell, what juju did you use for this thread? A Nairaland thread about a regional town in Nigeria without any tribalistic comment for a whopping 7 pages, it's unheard of! Even the renowned bigots that checked out the thread somehow sheathed their swords.

Maybe it's just the Christmas effect.

Nice thread, Olori Poco.

greatbuc:
Lodged in Carlton few days ago.. loved their stone like bed and tiny brush with paste that tastes like chalk.

Where is this located please?

BENEAMATA:
This one strong oh ! as in literally your last day in that school after just the first term . I mean not recognising your own child standing right in front of you goes beyond disbelelief for any parent .

Yes o. Although I had already spent a few terms their at that time and didn't want to leave cos of my numerous friends.

My dad didn't take me home directly after we left the school (my home was in another city). He first took me to somewhere secluded to fatten me up for two weeks before releasing me to be seen in public i.e by neighbours, friends, etc. as he couldn't bear them seeing a "somalian refugee"

Lol, this happened to me too. On the day the term ended, my dad came to pick me and was looking for me among the sea of students coming out with their luggage. I saw him and ran up to meet him and stood in his front. My pops continued to squint his eyes looking around, ignoring me in his front as he couldn't recognize me. Until I waved my emaciated hand frantically at him, then he looked down again and it hit him. The disbelief written on his face was priceless.

That was my last day in that school.

Jeferious:
Bros, your analysis too much abeg. See as points full am. Abeg just manage my "like". I wish I could do more.

"Elite defending takes more than rough tackling. Until the 1990s when player fitness levels improved due to technological advancements, the level of defending was not as good, as defenders where slower then and typically left more spaces in between. They try to make up for this defect with last gasp rough tackles. I watched many of Maradona's games (recorded tapes) for Napoli. Teams were not parking the bus against him, so most times defenders approach him individually and get rough on him. Messi has faced a whole bus parked defence in over 70 percent of the games he played. Watch Maradonas goal of the century and Messi's similar goal against Getafe. You'd notice that the English defenders were slower and Maradona eliminated them one after the other, but in Messi's goal there were two markers on him at the same time on at least two occasions, so he had to dribble faster than Maradona, to break through."

I will never forget these lines. NEVER. So true to a fault

Lol, thanks bro. I think any GOAT tag accorded to Messi, Pele or Maradona is a matter of personal choice and not so much of statistics. They've all earned that right.

Cerebellum:
Lol...lol

Chai!

But Messi can read all you've written here baba

You're just wasting ur time

Abeg, make I waste it for the GOAT. It's worth it.

ogbonti:
you are really a kid who knows just Messi and never found time to research the players you compared to Messi above

I use to think Maradona was an averagely good player who only shone at Mexico 86, pulled a fluke at the world cup against England with that lucky dribble and managed to win the world cup until I watched multiple documentaries on Diego Maradona - The attack and assault Diego faced on the field of play without referee protection, If Messi faced 1/10th of it he will be long retired since 2010. These days, ordinary slight body touch a player gets a yellow card or even red card, when Maradona was destroying defenders and scoring amazing goals, a player can only earn a red card if he strikes a blow to your face - every other tackling including pushing, slide tackle from behind, knee hacking, jersey pulling etc were almost always acceptable and the crowd will have to boo and scream for the referee to warn the offending player. IT WAS LIKE WRESTLEMANIA.

SAME GOES FOR PELE - Do you know the RED and YELLOW card was ONLY introduced to the 1970 Mexico World Cup? Which was Pele's last world cup? So how did the likes of Garrincha, Revelino, Eusebio, Zagalo, Pele, Bobby Charlton etc survive merciless tackles? To call Messi or even CR7 the GOAT is an insult to these greats who never got the referee protection that made Messi and CR7 win multiple WPOY awards.

I was one of those who underrated Pele and called it all hype based on the stories I heard of his exploits until I watched hours of his documentary. If Pele could be made a 26 year old again today, with exactly the same ability he had in 1966 - He will be a Ballon D' Or winner over Messi and Ronaldo and Lewandowski. PELE will dribble defenders so smoothly and neatly that they wont even see him to kick or push, and it was so effortless - He is the greatest passer of the ball (same with Maradona) and his freekicks and finishing are terribly amazing !!!! I conceded just last week that PELE was indeed the greatest and Diego is the co-greatest. NO ONE, I REPEAT NO ONE SHOULD EVER COMPARE MESSI WITH PELE OR MARADONA. Messi and CR7 became great by referee protection, not so with Pele and Maradona, they battled opposing defenders kicking and fighting them with the referee turning a blind eye!!!!

Hmm, where do I start from. First I ain't a kid. I probably started watching ball earlier than you since you said you thought Maradona was an average player. At least I had known he was head and shoulders above his peers since 1994.

While you have put up a number of reasonable points in your post, permit me to correct some over exaggerations. First, it is a misconception that the quality of defending is based on the frequency of rash tackles made. In many African countries today, those sort of tackles you described are still common with poor pitches. Yet when these rugged African teams take on a a Manchester City, they'd still get walloped 7-0 with a Raheem Sterling probably scoring a brilliant solo goal amidst the rough tackles.

Elite defending takes more than rough tackling. Until the 1990s when player fitness levels improved due to technological advancements, the level of defending was not as good, as defenders where slower then and typically left more spaces in between. They try to make up for this defect with last gasp rough tackles. I watched many of Maradona's games (recorded tapes) for Napoli. Teams were not parking the bus against him, so most times defenders approach him individually and get rough on him. Messi has faced a whole bus parked defence in over 70 percent of the games he played. Watch Maradonas goal of the century and Messi's similar goal against Getafe. You'd notice that the English defenders were slower and Maradona eliminated them one after the other, but in Messi's goal there were two markers on him at the same time on at least two occasions, so he had to dribble faster than Maradona, to break through.

And while it is true that red and yellow cards were introduced in Mexico 70, players had always been cautioned and sent off long before but by word of mouth from the referee. Placindo Galindo of Peru was the first player to be sent off in a world cup match in 1930. So the card thingy does not imply anything of note in this debate.

Talent will always be talent and will stand out regardless of the era. Personally I believe Messi especially the (2008 - 2013) version will make a mince meat of the sub-par defending of the 60s to the 80s, regardless of the rough tackles. FYI, I hold Pele and Maradona in high esteem and have never underrated them. And I have stated many times here that I consider Messi, Pele and Maradona as equals and nickname them the three GOATs on the basis of their supreme talents.

ogbonti:
you are really a kid who knows just Messi and never found time to research the players you compared to Messi above

I use to think Maradona was an averagely good player who only shone at Mexico 86, pulled a fluke at the world cup against England with that lucky dribble and managed to win the world cup until I watched multiple documentaries on Diego Maradona - The attack and assault Diego faced on the field of play without referee protection, If Messi faced 1/10th of it he will be long retired since 2010. These days, ordinary slight body touch a player gets a yellow card or even red card, when Maradona was destroying defenders and scoring amazing goals, a player can only earn a red card if he strikes a blow to your face - every other tackling including pushing, slide tackle from behind, knee hacking, jersey pulling etc were almost always acceptable and the crowd will have to boo and scream for the referee to warn the offending player. IT WAS LIKE WRESTLEMANIA.

SAME GOES FOR PELE - Do you know the RED and YELLOW card was ONLY introduced to the 1970 Mexico World Cup? Which was Pele's last world cup? So how did the likes of Garrincha, Revelino, Eusebio, Zagalo, Pele, Bobby Charlton etc survive merciless tackles? To call Messi or even CR7 the GOAT is an insult to these greats who never got the referee protection that made Messi and CR7 win multiple WPOY awards.

I was one of those who underrated Pele and called it all hype based on the stories I heard of his exploits until I watched hours of his documentary. If Pele could be made a 26 year old again today, with exactly the same ability he had in 1966 - He will be a Ballon D' Or winner over Messi and Ronaldo and Lewandowski. PELE will dribble defenders so smoothly and neatly that they wont even see him to kick or push, and it was so effortless - He is the greatest passer of the ball (same with Maradona) and his freekicks and finishing are terribly amazing !!!! I conceded just last week that PELE was indeed the greatest and Diego is the co-greatest. NO ONE, I REPEAT NO ONE SHOULD EVER COMPARE MESSI WITH PELE OR MARADONA. Messi and CR7 became great by referee protection, not so with Pele and Maradona, they battled opposing defenders kicking and fighting them with the referee turning a blind eye!!!!

Kid? I probably started watching

Lionel Andres Cutticcini Messi, Congratulations on another milestone. You are the Greatest Footballer of All Time. Your status as the GOAT is not really defined by whether you break Pele's goal-scoring record or not. Those are mere statistical aesthetics. Your position at the summit had been long sealed by your incomparable talented displays, impact and all-round abilities demonstrated consistently for over a decade and a half.

You are Messi. You strike fear into the heart of defenders like no other player ever such that they always swarm around you in threes and fours, yet your brilliance still shines through time and time again. If football were to have a face, it would be you. If all footballers were to have an highlights reel of their magical moments on the field, perhaps Pele may have a good 75-minutes show, Maradona/Ronaldo De Lima may perhaps have an hour and a half of true brilliance on display, but yours would outspan these your closest competitors by at least the duration of a full football match.

A record number of the world player of the year is testament to your individual supremacy, which is all that matters in the end.

Shine on King Leo.