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Pastor AIO:
Why must this man make every thread about tithe? Is that your main source of income that you cannot let it rest for even a moment? Surely Christians are not defined by whether they tithe or not. Let me raise just 2 points out of many which would suggest that pentecostal practices are contrary to the teachings of Jesus.

AIO

why didnt you ask the poster why he included tithing as a scam amongst other things. When did paying tithe become only a 'Pentecostal Issue'. 

Like seriously have you had the time to ponder why tithing seem to be about the biggest issue amongst christians.  Why cant we just pay it atleast for the sake of our allegiance and obedience to Christ. I wonder why folks will deploy all their weapons to fight against it.

As for the Tithing-obsession, Broda i aint obsessed  , but once a victim of the lies and fallasies i got from folks here that gave me a million reasons why "tithing is no more relevant" when in essence it was still very much relevant  . at least the practise of tithing is working out for me  . And to add, tithing aint my source of income at least the last time i received my voucher it read. . . payee under Sahara energy resources  .cheers!

Iyineda:
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H-I-L-A-R-I-O-U-S.

"Munitstrys; bamitism".

I dey ground.

xtremeidea:
LWKMD,

make una dey there na. . . alot of things in the name of God

Qu'ran[60:8]

"GOD does not enjoin you from befriending those who do not fight you because of religion, and do not evict you from your homes. You may befriend them and be equitable towards them. Allah loves the equitable. "

Bawss1:
A new height of foolishness. Why didn't they just pay for a fake certificate at once.

The Clown:
Sometimes when I take a close look at the Penticostal churches I wonder. Almost everything about them contravene the new testament that they cling to so much! They have very little regard for the old testament but would not hesitate to quote from it when it supports their selfish arguments, like when it supports tithing. Their pastors take huge millions in the form of tithe like the Livitical priests, even when it was written no where in the new testament where Christ or his apostles received tithes, and even paul made it clear that he requires no body's money as the works of his hands can provide for him. When Christ was sending his disciples out on evangelism, the order he gave to them was 'eat whatever is set before you.' and not demand one tenth of your converts' incomes.
Again, the main massage Pentecostalism tend to carry or atleast flaunts is prosperity. It was clear in the Bible that Jesus never said a Christian life must be that of affluence. Himself and the apostles made it clear that a Christian is not of this world, and that life on earth would be filled with tribulations and that they should be endured for our rewards are great in heaven. He however did not rule out wages by hard work. Alot of pastor even go up to the point of defrauding people so as to live an outward life of their perceived Christianity.
Again, they don't believe in doing good works, or, they don't see it as an essential part of our heavenly race they stick to Saint Paul's philosophy of justification by faith alone and even criticise those that labour in this direction. They over Christ analogy in the Gospel when he said that on the last day, the whole humanity would be divided into two groups, and to one he would say; When I was hungry you gave me to eat, when I was thirsty you gave me to drink, when I was unclothed you clothed me etc, now enter into the kingdom of my father and then the other half who never did anything like, he turned away, making it clear that good works is highly essential to get a man into heaven. Also, they ignore saint James epistle where he said faith without work is dead and clung to the one they saw easier.
Again, when they pray, they pray like the Pharisees, shouting out loud above their voices and very verbose, repeating the same phrases over and over again, ignoring the Biblical directive that Christians should keep their prayers simple and without vain repetitions and raising of voices but quietly, so that the Father who everything in secret would give his reward in secret.
It was at the advent of penticostalism that things like harlot-like dressing to Church, covering of hair, Voodoo in the Church for the sake of miracles, Pastors frying their hairs becoming a sign of reverence and alot of things that were not hitherto associated with the Church atleast became the order of the day.
There are a lot of things I observed I began to wander if they are actually Christians or a bunch if money making, public show, easy speaking, social organizations! Because based on the teachings of the new testament which they claim to uphold so much, they are not Christian! Based on the old testament which they denounce but embrace when it buttresses their arguments, they are not Christians! And based on the doctrines of the Apostles passed down, they are far from Christians! What are Pentecostals actually? I feel they are part of the devil's end time agenda, aimed at corrupting the very foundation of the Christian faith and her doctrines so that at the end, Christian would not even know what the standard is or supposed to be anymore. For example, most of them claim to have no teachings at all, calling it doctrines and making the word itself sound abhorrent. That is to say, no standard anymore, anything goes!
What is your own opinion? Sincere opinions, Insults and tongue bashings are welcome.

If your reason for asking whether Pentecostals are Christians is "because of the practise of Tithing" then its a real big pity

What about Anglicans, dont they take tithes?

What about Methodists, dont they tithe?

OK! i heard somone say Protestants broke out from the RCC because of their extra-scriptural activities. . .now i ask if tithing was one of the bad things the RCC did that made the protestants break. . .how come the same protestants still tithe till date.

One thing i have come to witness from my personal christian experience is that anyone can wake up one morning and find alot of reason not to believe God. Someone can wake up and choose not to believe that Jesus is a God. . .and guess what? the moment that thought finds a seat in your intellect it can win over a million fans today (no thanks to the hi-tech medias) and they will find over a million reason to tell others why it is true and some even go the extra mile to seek logical approaches to butress their reprobacy furthermore.

Another man can wake up with his own gospel to preach on why He/she feels tithing is no more relevant in the scriptures and guess what? his van could be filled in no time with similar believers. And to continue this 'gospel' such a person will find some logical reasons to back their arguments. reasons like Tithe is a law therefore it was abolished when Jesus abolished the law and suddenly you hear his disciples saying hay hurrah that's true not regarding the peak of their stu.pidity. Ask them if there was ever a place in the bible that clearly call Tithing a Law like was there any such thing as the LAW OF TITHING they will either keep quiet for a moment and when they amass some like minded grubbers they will continue their crusade. . .sometimes Tonye just loves taking big laughter behing the LCD of his notebook, laughing at their activities. A wise man puts it better this way ". . .even ignoramuses also make the world go round" yes its true. . .we need them to keep disbelieving the simple truths in God's word and thereby fulfilling scriptures "they honour me with their mouth but their hearts are far away from me".

To even add coals to their flame, you hear them say the most hilarious thing by adding that when Jesus said we should not neglect tithing, he was not talking to us, but the pharisees and each time i hear this . . .bursters of laughter never seize from my lungs . . .yeah like seriously how can someone in his right senses say a thing like that. . .like Jesus was speaking to the pharisees therefore we should not mind that scriptures. . . ok! so when Jesus performed a miracle in cana of galilee he did it for the galileans therefore we should not also mind that scriptures, or when Jesus was born to the Jews and performed miracles, we should also not mind those scriptures afterall he lived only with the Jews. what more word can i qualify pathogenesis with.

The words of God has never being defeated by even the fiercest of intellectualism nor by the attacks of evil-mongers, yeah they may appear or claim to be among the true christians. . .they may win for themselves the largest of fans. . .but guess what? MY Father's words says "let anyone who preaches another gospel from the true gospel be accursed" yes in better terms. . .he who does not believe in the words of God is condemn already.

God bless you!

thehomer:
@OLAADEGBU and others,

You're back with your Obama accusations. I see that you're running from the previous lie/wrong conclusion you made on a previous post
(https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-469609.160.html This post in case you're wondering). Anyway, this video is like many of the other ones you've presented. I had to check this one out since some other posters were going "hey maybe he's right". So I checked out the video and what do I see, another conspiracy theorist in action. But this one had me laughing when she explained her method.

What she demonstrated is known as reverse speech. Check it out here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reverse_speech
It seems to work due to a neural effect known as pareidolia which is basically the human brain making sense of noise.
Read more here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pareidolia

There are lots of examples out there if you're willing to look. Here is a site that looks into the neural basis with some examples.
http://www.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk/people/matt.davis/sine-wave-speech/

Here's the site of the guy that started it all he has loads of examples too.
http://www.reversespeech.com/home.htm

So people who actually consider such videos as good evidence, should try some simple experiments. Record an entire 30 mins to 1 hour news show and play it all through on reverse and listen to what you think you hear.

Another thing I wonder is if this means that nobody is allowed to say "Yes we can" repeatedly any more? Since it sounds like praising Satan on reverse speech?

if you are against the use of the backward technology or rewind technology, whatabout declaring a whole month for homosexuals to celebrate their 'lifestyle'. . . it that christian-like? especially for someone who claims to be a christian, will any true christian in his right mind declare such a thing? lets hear what you have to say about that Mr.Homer. 

Mudley313:
why dont you get your facts from unbiased sources (based on reality) instead of selectively seeking obviously, not just biased, but irrationally bogus and fabricated ones. i thot one of the commandments of christianity speaks against bearing false witness. i dont know of any sane american in real life who takes seriously the claims of obama being a muslim except the extreme lunatic fringe of the neo-conservatives, most who simply are just ignorant and uneducated and for the most part, bigots and racists who never believed they'd be witnessing a black man rule over them in their life time

truth ko, truth ni. if the illogical conspiratory rants of the rabidly racist fringe in america is your truth, then you my friend need to check yourself into a psychiatric ward

Mudley, would you be so kind to give us facts from your unbiased sources about Obama, maybe we could learn a thing or two. You see one problem i hate with folks is that they always stand in the opposing seat with virtually nothing to say, they wait for others to talk and present facts and then respond with nothing but mere words. I tend to see it as someone fighting with a wooden sword against another with a metallic.

the best you can do is please give us facts that say the opposite of what i and the youtube source said of Mr.Usaine. 

nopuqeater:
Who is the Speaker? Who was He addressing at the time Jesus was alive on earth? What was Jesus response? Was Jesus saying "oh no, partner, am not ready to leave and since we are partner, I will leave or do what I want?" Of course not. A[b] slave, a servant, a messenger, is what Jesus was and never equal to his Lord, God Almighty Allah, the Creator. [/b] May Allah open your inner eye, since you are obviously blind as a bat. Though bat is not blind. It is an expression about them. You you are blind in the heart.

What else do you want?, what else does your [moslems] rebellious nature want more?, what else does that reprobacy in you wants?. The deity of Jesus Christ needs no debate. What it is - is - what it is.

Nopuqeater pls was Tonye the writer of your quran? absolutely no! Did i infuence Sura to write those words about Isa in your Quran? absolutely No! why cant you guys just accept the truth, live and let others live?

According to your Quran (peace be unto it) Isa (Jhe-isua meaning Jesus) is the spirit that proceeds from Allah (Ruhull-llah), inotherwords, it says Jesus is the spirit that proceeds from God. And what baffles me more is that the same Quran i have read regards Ibrahim (peace be unto him) as a friend of Allah, it regards Moses as Allah's spokesman, it regarded Muhammed (peace be unto Him) as just a messager of God but coming to Isa (Jesus - peace be unto him) it called him the spirit that proceeds from Allah.

I have never liked debating Islamic issues here in nairaland because alot of the Moslem folks here are so ignorant of the simple words of great Allah (Ruhull-llah), and if you must know i grew up in a military barracks were we went to church on sundays and makaranta on fridays. .

Peace be unto you my Pigless-eating brother.!

nopuqeater:
He is sufficient. He sustains all. He is there before beginning. He never have died. He will never die. He wil be there after everyone has experienced death. He will be the Only One Who decides the affairs and the ending of everyone.

nopuqeater:
I know enough about Christianity. Alhamdulillah am not.

nopuqeater:
Now that there are two of you, which one of you will go to "heaven"? The other must go to lake of fire, since you have two groups with two different religions. Now you see why Jesus condition is irrelevant to our present time? The same Bible calling two different people with two differen t religions, chosen. I am sure the Jews will never be caught dead in a unday morning Church service praising the Trinity. And the Christians will never be caught dead in the Temple at Sabbath doing the sabbath prayer rituals. Grin, grin. I know how to nead a dough. LOL.

Mind you, it will be mistake to presume all Israelites were "the chosen ones" no no no, rather the chosen ones of the descent of Abraham( Ibrahim) were those of the lineage of Isaac ( Ishaak), lest you come in with your Ishmael gimmicks. 

or maybe i should help your mr. pigless eater, the poster wants us to discuss about "patience" and how its very essence could help us live good lives regardless of whether we are pork eaters or not

Yefet:
August 2, 2010

Have you ever been described as an impatient person? It is easy to feel impatient.

The source of true patience is the Spirit of God. His patience toward us allows us the opportunity to grow and to become more like Him. He does not give up on us. When we are stubborn and fail to learn what God wants to teach us, He continues to demonstrate His patience.

Many times, we grow impatient with a colleague, friend, child, or spouse and forget that God is patient with us and requires us to do the same with others. One of the causes of impatience is spiritual shortsightedness. Our view is limited. Therefore, many times we only see what has a direct impact on our lives. We become impatient because we can’t see life from God’s perspective!

God has a greater plan. While He does not always show us the details, we can know the big picture—we are in His loving hands.

Oswald Chambers writes:

Patience is more than endurance. A saint’s life is in the hands of God like a bow and arrow in the hands of the archer. God is aiming at something the saint cannot see, and He stretches and strains, and every now and again the saint says, ‘I cannot stand anymore.’ God does not heed, He goes on stretching till His purpose is in sight, then He lets fly. Trust yourself in God’s hands.

Therefore, as God’s chosen people, holy and dearly loved, clothe yourselves with compassion, kindness, humility, gentleness and patience (Colossians 3:12).

www.leadingtheway.org

The boldened could help start a good discourse. whatcha think? 

Dolemite:
. . .if you only knew me, I come into contact with different Christians everyday, not one of them lives close to an exemplary life and they all go to these churches, i'm even living with a christian drunk so i know what I'm talking about.

christian issues. outsider! 

2. Exemplary life indeed. . .so how is mrs.outsider suppose to know what examples are required of a Christian?

3. Sorry to disappoint your judging finger. . .how patheic of you to use a church as criterion for judging who a good christian is, sometimes i feel like "praying some folks mouths remains shut expecially in issues they barely no nothing about"

4. Christian drunk. . . no wonder! companion of fools shall be destroyed, i didnt say so Proverbs. 13:20 did.

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Dolemite you can never comprehend the true life that stands for a taking in Christ except you come in, staying outside and judging who did what to whom are all exercises that will forever blind those who chose to be blinded.

What Humans fail to realise is that no one is ever perfect in this life, not you, not Tonye not all the christians in this world, we only try to live justified to God through the gift of righteousness in Christ. I cannot tell you a day goes by without me erring one way or the other, but one thing remains sure. . .and that is inspite of my fallibles i am sure Someone still Loves me i am sure Someone still accepts me the way i am, someone still sees me as a Son regardless of my prodigality.

nuclearboy:
@Tonye:

Show me where I said Jesus apologised to unbelievers!

Bro you seem confused already, i only asked a question and that is: Did Jesus ever apologised to unbelievers? and i asked it in response to your posts that says "you'll find it easier apologising to an unbeliever  which triggered my question: Did Jesus ever apologise to the unbelievers?  Tonye did not accuse you of saying: Jesus apologised to unbelievers! i wonder your slip from a simple grammar comprehension, maybe trying to look cool from twisitng i guess 

nuclearboy:
I'm sorry but I have no apologies if I see someone turning God's Word and I lay a pipe on their backside.

Its easier to apologise to an un-bel because they do not know and have not what we claim to have.