₦airaland Forum

Fynist:
Osas is a quality player.Misused by our national coaches.He is now known at west brom as ST PETER.Only his move came too late.Don't mind his Father.If the money is good,he will throw away his gunner jersey 2 d south.Lol

, whatever happened to club loyalty. . .av u heard of the maxim: Gunners for Looife!

nuclearboy:
@Donnie and Joagbaje:

First this rubbish you believe supports your misinterpretations i.e. 1 Cor. 6:3 "Know ye not that we shall judge angels?"

Is it as you are that you will judge angels? Why not wait till you are "perfected" before you start to claim the powers of the perfect?

Then you say:- Hebrews 1:13-14 "But to which of the angels said he at any times, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool? Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation? "

Image123:
What would you say as regards fire or tongue of fire symbolism for God? All things are lawful for me but all things are not expedient. All things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of any.

chukwudi44:
Was it not the same God that asked moses to make graven images of the bronze serpent and the winged creatures.God never asked us not to make images rather what he said is that we should not worship them simple.

Even your CEC have images of PaStor chris and his wife scattered over the churches billboard abi Pastor Chris is greater than the holy spirit

newmi:
This is my candid view on this issue and it is based on my personal study on the subject in simple sentences. I do wish which to contess anybodies view so this is in no way intended to attack or canvas support for anyone, l repeat this is an independent view.

Luke 3:22
And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like <hosei> a dove upon him, and a voice came from heaven, which said, Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased.

Now it is interesting that the Grk. word translated "like" as used in the context is the word "hosei"
"Hosei" could be used to simply express a disposition of mannerism; phrases like
as if:--about, as (it had been, it were), like (as) expresses this disposition of mannerism.

now be that as it may, let us bring this back into the context;[size=15pt] ", the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape "as if like a dove" or "as it had been a dove" , or "as it were a dove"[/size]
now the disposition with which the Holy Ghost came down on Jesus as a specific "private and personal" sign given to John the baptist to identifying the Jesus as the Christ was such that a dove would assume ina descent motion

John 1:30-34
This is he of whom I said, After me cometh a man which is preferred before me: for he was before me.
31 And I knew him not: but that he should be made manifest to Israel, therefore am I come baptizing with water.
32 And John bare record, saying, I saw the Spirit descending from heaven like a dove, and it abode upon him.
33 And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost.
34 And I saw, and bare record that this is the Son of God.

now that was a sign for John to see and know, thus dissolving doubts about the authenticity of the eventual presence of a long awaited fulfilment of the prophesies concerning the coming messiah "King of the Jews".
It is important we understand that issues concerning the messiah was a very sensitive one considering the fact that at this time in history, the Jews were under the political jurisdiction of a foreign power thus explaining the several rebellions that took place all in an attempt to bring a "Jewish emmancipation"

Acts 5
34 Then stood there up one in the council, a Pharisee, named Gamaliel, a doctor of the law, had in reputation among all the people, and commanded to put the apostles forth a little space;
35 And said unto them, Ye men of Israel, take heed to yourselves what ye intend to do as touching these men.
36 For before these days rose up Theudas, boasting himself to be somebody; to whom a number of men, about four hundred, joined themselves: who was slain; and all, as many as obeyed him, were scattered, and brought to nought.
37 After this man rose up Judas of Galilee in the days of the taxing, and drew away much people after him: he also perished; and all, even as many as obeyed him, were dispersed.
so to a large extent, even when Jesus final came revealed with great signs and miracles most people thought him to be a political saviour and for morethan one recorded occation they sought to seize Him and forcefully make Him king but according to the accout He had to escape.

So for John the Baptist to come and proclaim Jesus as the Christ in the public he sure did require a coonvincing sign one of which God was not short of.

it wasn't like everybody saw this dramatic event, it was just a sign meant for John thus all John needed to look out for in the crowd was for the one upon whom the Spirit would descend in the manner of a dove.

Pastor AIO:
TonyeT has a good point here. And is one of the reasons that I've taken a back seat from NL. There is too much intellectualism that is ego driven. This all demonstrates to me that dissecting text and rhetorical gymnastics is just going to get you going round and round and round in endless circles. Which is not bad if that is what you are into. But it it the stench of egotism that accompanies it that is particularly appalling.

[size=15pt]Now before I start pointing fingers let me raise my hand and confess that I fell into this trap too. I don't know at which point it started but I found myself deeply in it. that is why I've withdrawn from a lot of discussions. [/size] Mainly for my own spiritual welfare.
It is one thing if it is light hearted fun but it is another thing when it just leaves you with a headache in the end.

These debates do not edify us in any way.

Enigma:
^^^
This is why it is usually pointless to discuss with you --- and I was heavily tempted to ignore your first post. You make bold and so-called "conclusive" pronouncements --- without adequate understanding.

Nah, I know what I mean and what the Bible means by those words ---- and they do not mean that a christian or for that matter a person is "god". I would give you further help on the matter but I honestly don't think it is worth the bother. So, please feel free to hold on to your "conclusive" conclusion.  

Enigma:
It is NOT correct! Jesus never called "us" god/s. Yes, Jesus quoted Psalm 82:6.

First, Psalm 82:6 was not talking to or of Christians; it was a Psalm rebuking certain people ('judges') and the immediately following verse in Psalm 82:7 essentially placed a curse on them or at least put them in their place by saying they shall die like men.

When Jesus quoted Psalm 82:6 in John 10:34, again He too was rebuking people who accused Him of blasphemy because He called Himself God; you can argue that He quoted the Psalm 82:6 at them sarcastically. Even if you disagree about the sarcasm, ask yourself who was He quoting Psalm 82:6 to? Answer: people who wanted to kill Him, who wanted to stone him dead because He claimed to be God.

Christians are not "gods" let alone "God" despite the delusions of Joagbaje and people before him like the diabolical Kenneth Copeland etc.

LIE!

Let me start from the logical aspect: The offsprings of a specie are noted as true specie of the said specie - Ganayrold smith. Meaning a goat begets a goat, even if a dog comes out, it is called a goat-dog. Therefore if we are sons of God it means we are Gods. (mark the capital letter G)   (the G and g were man's expressions of loyalty and nothing more)

Scriptural aspect:

ogajim:
Nice thread I must say

There are a lot of images in Christianity that warrant crtical examination,

True talk! got me thinking if we should start disengaging ourselves from everything 'churchish'.

aletheia:
^My two bits: As used today it is a form of idolatry similar to the case of Nehushtan (2 Kings 18:4). The dove is often depicted in the bible in a symbolic fashion.

Aletheia,

Thanks bro you nailed it there, this is exactly the case of this dove symbol. There is this thing with humans, we try to always physicalize spiritual things and this is where idolatory comes in. And what marveled me in that passage u referenced was that the king Hezekiah came to power and destroyed the Bronze snake years after the reign and death of David and Solomon.

Meaning David and Solomon were all worshippers of this serpent directly or indirectly . . .for the reason that they built the 1st temples! . The chasm now is how did God accepted these men knowing they stored/ preserved/ worshipped the bronze serpent?. Hmmm that means someone could be an idolater and still be called God's friend?

Or is there something am not getting? 

Missy B:
There's actually no need to worship or attribute too much importance to a dove.
The Bible doesn't encourage or justify it. A dove is a dove is a mere dove.

Horus:
I hope that clarifies the falsehoods heard from 'new-agers' about reincarnation.

debosky:
So causing 24 hours traffic is a good thing? Some of you are hopelessly deluded.

Pastor AIO:
If e dey do you like that, no problem bring the tithe. I go chop am for you.

JeSoul:
Eyy Congrats ehn. I wish you both a fantastic married life full of joy and contentment

JeSoul:
. . . but you must still submit yourself for post-marital counselling before you'll be certified. I believe PastorAIO has some room on his calendar this week.