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Christianity Etc › Re: How To Pay Tithe by Tonyet1(m): 2:28pm On Jul 09, 2010

Loyet,

My prayer:

2 Cor 9:

10. Now he who supplies seed to the sower and bread for food will also supply and increase your store of seed and will enlarge the harvest of your righteousness.

11 You will be made rich in every way so that you can be generous on every occasion, and through us your generosity will result in thanksgiving to God.NIV and you wont be asking how much you should pay as tithe from 40k salary

God bless you! wink

Christianity Etc › Re: Did God Know That Adam And Eve Would Sin Before Creating Them? by Tonyet1(m): 2:17pm On Jul 09, 2010

“Did God know That Adam And Eve Would Sin Before Creating Them?” The answer lies in what the Bible teaches about God’s knowledge. We know from Scripture that God is omniscient, which literally means “all-knowing.”

Ps 147:5 - Great is our Lord and mighty in power;his understanding has no limit.
Prov 5:21 - For a man's ways are in full view of the LORD, and he examines all his paths.
Isa 46:10 - I make known the end from the beginning, from ancient times, what is still to come. . .and I will do all that I please
1 John 3:20 - . . . For God is greater than our hearts, and he knows everything.

Scriptures like the afore mentioned leave no doubt that God’s knowledge is infinite and that He knows everything that has happened in the past, is happening now, and will happen in the future.

Looking at some of the superlatives in these verses— “his understanding has no limit”; “he knows everything”—it is clear that God’s knowledge isn’t merely greater than our own, but it is infinitely greater. He knows all things in totality. Not only that, but Isaiah 46:10 declares He not only knows everything, but He controls everything as well. How else could He “make known” to us what would happen in the future and state unequivocally that His plans will come to pass?

So did God know that Adam and Eve were going to sin? Yes! Absolutely! Were they out of His control at any time? Absolutely not. If God’s knowledge is not perfect, then there is a deficiency in His nature. Any deficiency in God’s nature means He cannot be God, for God’s very essence requires the perfection of all His attributes. Therefore, the answer to the first question must, by necessity, be “yes.”

Moving on to the crux of the question, “Why did God create Adam and Eve knowing ahead of time they were going to sin?” .To begin, we have already seen that God is omniscient and nothing can happen outside of His knowledge. So if God knew that Adam and Eve would sin, yet He created them anyway, it must mean that the fall of mankind was part of God’s sovereign plan from the beginning.

Now we must be careful to note that Adam and Eve falling into sin does not mean that God is the author of sin, nor that he tempted Adam and Eve to sin (James 1:13). The fall serves the purpose of God’s overall plan for creation and mankind. This, again, must be the case or else the fall of mankind would never have happened.

I was reading some articles of what some theologians call the "meta-narrative" of Scripture, we see that biblical history can be roughly divided into three main sections:

1) paradise (Genesis 1-2);
2) paradise lost (Genesis 3 - Revelation 20);
3) paradise regained (Revelation 21-22).

By far the largest part of the narrative is devoted to moving from paradise lost to paradise regained. At the center of this meta-narrative is the cross.

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The cross was planned from the very beginning
(Acts 2:23 - But God, following his prearranged plan, . . . let you murder him[christ]).
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It was foreknown and foreordained that Christ would go to the cross and give His life as a ransom for many
(Matthew 20:28 - ". . . for I, the Messiah, did not come to be served. . .but to give my life as a ransom for many." wink

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Those chosen by God’s foreknowledge and predestined to be His people
(Ephesians 1:4 -Long ago, even before he made the world, God chose us to be his very own through what Christ would do for us wink

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Reading Scripture very carefully and taking what has been said so far, we are led to conclude that the Fall of mankind were foreknown and foreordained by God.

Again we can come to a basic assertion that God’s purpose was to create a world in which His glory could be manifest in all its fullness. The glory of God is the overarching goal of creation. In fact, it is the overarching goal of everything He does. The universe was created to display God’s glory (Psalm 19:1), and the wrath of God is revealed against those who fail to glorify God (Romans 1:23). Our sin causes us to fall short of God’s glory (Romans 3:23), and in the new heaven and new earth, the glory of God is what will provide light (Revelation 21:23). The glory of God is manifest when His attributes are on perfect display, and the story of redemption is part of that.

The best place to see this in Scripture is Romans 9:19-24. Wrath and mercy display the riches of God’s glory, and you can’t get either without the fall of mankind. Therefore, all of these actions—fall, election, redemption, atonement—serve the purpose of glorifying God. When man fell into sin, God’s mercy was immediately displayed in not killing him on the spot. God’s patience and forbearance were also on display as mankind fell deeper into sin prior to the flood. God’s justice and wrath were on display as He executed judgment during the flood, and God’s mercy and grace were demonstrated as He saved Noah and his family. God’s wrath and justice will be revealed in the future when He deals with Satan once and for all (Revelation 20:7-10).

The ultimate exhibition of God’s glory was at the cross where His wrath, justice, and mercy met. The righteous judgment of all sin was executed at the cross, and God’s grace was on display in pouring His wrath for sin on His Son, Jesus, instead of on us. God’s love and grace are on display in those whom He has saved (John 3:16; Ephesians 2:8-9). In the end, God will be glorified as His chosen people worship Him for all eternity with the angels, and the wicked will also glorify God as His justice and righteousness will finally be vindicated by the eternal punishment of all unrepentant sinners (Philippians 2:11). None of this could have come to pass without the rebellion of Satan and the fall of Adam and Eve.

The classic objection to this position is that God’s foreknowledge and foreordination of the fall does damage to man’s freedom. In other words, if God created mankind with full knowledge of the impending fall into sin, how can man be responsible for his sin?

“God, from all eternity, did, by the most wise and holy counsel of his own will, freely, and unchangeably ordain whatsoever comes to pass; yet so, as thereby neither is God the author of sin, nor is violence offered to the will of the creatures; nor is the liberty or contingency of second causes taken away, but rather established”

What this is saying is that God ordains future events in such a way that our freedom and the working of secondary causes (e.g., laws of nature) are preserved. Theologians call this “concurrence.” God’s sovereign will flows concurrently with our free choices in such a way that our free choices always result in the carrying out of God’s will (by 'free choices' we mean that our choices are not coerced by outside influences).

Wrapping this up, God knew that Satan would rebel and Adam and Eve would sin in the Garden of Eden. With that knowledge, God still created Lucifer and Adam and Eve because creating them and ordaining the fall was part of His sovereign plan to manifest His glory in all its fullness. Even though the fall was foreknown and foreordained, our freedom in making choices is not violated because our free choices are the means by which God’s will is carried out.

_{*God bless you*}

Autos › Re: VIN Reports For Advertised Cars by Tonyet1(m): 9:36am On Jul 09, 2010

Mr.Kunle,

words cannot express my heartfelt gratitude for this assistance of yours.

- All details you gave about the car were TRUE, especially the mileage of 164, 208. this was the exact mileage i saw in the car b4 paying it from cotonou. Infact the seller told me it was a special car from England as you listed there.

- my other fear was if really was the second user of that car, which was also found to be true from you details ( _{a lucky guy i must say} ). cheesy

thanks thanks thanks

The said car is already in PH city and i cant wait to start cruising the dab on monday.

Thanks a million

Autos › Re: VIN Reports For Advertised Cars by Tonyet1(m): 6:47pm On Jul 08, 2010

Mr.Kunle,

i must say u r doing a great job to humanity . . . i appreciate.

please could you help me with the details of this car

VIN:4T1BG22K9WU279248

God bless you

Phones › Re: The Most Annoying Phone by Tonyet1(m): 6:22pm On Jul 08, 2010

Trium . . . goosh i so hated that phone such that my friends didnt know i had a phone not until i bought anew one. . .the sound of the name send chills through my spines. . . TRIUM angry

Events › Re: July Birthday Mates! by Tonyet1(m): 11:33am On Jul 05, 2010

11th July

Christianity Etc › Re: Who Is This? by Tonyet1(m): 6:54pm On Jun 25, 2010

Deep Sight:
^^^ No Sir - I DO NOT! You know very well i have consistently denounced the multiple i.d game.

Now here is the interesting bit: i would imagine that if i were to have a second I.D, i would go out of my way to render the style so devastatingly disimilar that the scam would NEVER be sniffed out just like you say. I wonder why these chaps can't do that?

If i had another user ID, he would be a fire-belching christian fanatic [size=13pt]posting cartoons [/size] and insisting on the divinity of christ. He would also be an apostle of the "touch not my anointed" school of thought, and a rabid defender of tithing.

Deep Sight:
That way no one would EVER imagine it to be me!

And just what makes you thinks you arent connected as similar to someone here already especially with the POSTING CARTOONS stuffs.

OOLADEGBU fits into all those attributes as ~~you are already~~ you'd have been.

My PoV: as much as people can be very similar in looks, talk, behaviours, same could apply to their writing skill.

I hate this multi this multi dat stuffs around here. it sucks! embarassed

I dont just pray to wake up and be accused of being seun lipsrsealed

Christianity Etc › Re: New Rccg's Tithe Collection Format by Tonyet1(m): 10:09am On Jun 22, 2010

aletheia:
Do we really need to address this all over again? Are you asserting that in NT there was no currency of exchange except mint and cumin? How about this?

Mark 12:15 Shall we give, or shall we not give? But he, knowing their hypocrisy, said unto them, Why tempt ye me? bring me a penny, that I may see it.

Since there existed money then, why were the Pharisees (those great sticklers for everything pertaining to the Law) tithing their garden herbs? Why didn't they just tithe denarii or shekels as the case may be?

Since the Pharisees did not tithe money but agricultural produce as required by the Law, why are you "tithing"
money (not commanded in the Law) instead of agricultural produce.

Mr. Aletheia,

That was a very nice write-up there, but you see, when quoting scriptures it is expedient of a true christian to do so based on the truth founded in study of God's word through biblical references and not the personal convictions of a man's heart because every man's way would want to seem right in his own eyes, whereas the heart of man is corrupt and desperately wicked. That said i continue:

You said, if i may understand you any better, that since Jesus spake of the Pharisees of giving a tenth of their spices - mints and cummins it therefore means the tithing according to the law (ma'aser terumah) was of herbs and agricultural produce, but is that really a wholistic truth?, ok lets go back to the scriptures and buttress this issue i.e: the tithing during the mosaic era:

Lev 27:30

30 And all the tithe of the land, whether of the seed of the land or of the fruit of the tree, is the Lord's; it is holy to the Lord.AMP

32 And all the tithe of the herd or of the[b] flock[/b], whatever passes under the herdsman's staff [by means of which each tenth animal as it passes through a small door is selected and marked], the tenth shall be holy to the Lord.

Now pls take sentiments aside and lets be convicted of simple scriptures, the few modes of paying tithes from this portion of the bible are

- Tithes of the seed of the land
- Tithes of the fruit of the tree
- Tithes of the herd
- Tithes of the flock

So you see, tithing even according to the law of moses were more than just giving mints and cummins, what you and I should rather take a time to understand is: WHAT WAS JESUS TRYING TO TEACH THERE WHEN HE USED THAT EXAMPLE?

Was Jesus against Tithing in that scripture, NO! In my PoV,He was actually against the hypocrites (Pharisees) who tithed at the expense of other important issues of the law, Jesus was trying to rebuke them of their sternness to keeping little matters of the mosaic law (tithe) and the expense of important ones (mercy, faithfulness and justice).

I dont subscribe to those preaching that those who dont tithe will make their way to hell, but rather i feel/believe/preach that tithing(which is a form of giving) is an act of honouring God.

QUOTE ME!

Christianity Etc › Re: Oyedepo: Love Always Delivers Success & Prosperity? by Tonyet1(m): 3:41pm On Jun 21, 2010

m lost

like seriously @ u guys undecided

Christianity Etc › Re: Pastor Chris Oyakilome's Phone Number by Tonyet1(m): 11:00am On Jun 18, 2010

@ Poster,

i really wish Pastor Chris could be accessed via that number considering the number of people who would want to learn wisdom in simplicity. *One man i respect so much.

Christianity Etc › Re: Pastor Chris Oyakilome's Phone Number by Tonyet1(m): 10:56am On Jun 18, 2010

nuclearboy:
[size=13pt]I'll fight[/size] for him here.

So that's the whole essence of your stay here.I see! What a comment

Nuclearboy, pls go back to your earlier posts on this section and reflect on how decent your posts were until your newly found company. Proverbs. ". . . the companion with fools shall be destroyed"

KunleOshob:
@mabell
If we call would pastor chris explain to us why he fraudulently uses the word of God to scam money from [size=13pt]ignorant muguns like yourself[/size]?

You seem to virtually have nothing to offer here as your posts appears in recent. In philosophy is called the "fruits of desperation - depression". Go sort your problems young man than come here and insult folks like they were in your church.

Christianity Etc › Re: Heretic teachings e.g. "I Am Christ" - Their Effects in Society/Christianity by Tonyet1(m): 6:21pm On Jun 07, 2010

^^^

1. Bound by Jewish customs? yes, so long as it is within the confines of my allegiance.

2. About Farm produce? yes, if my faith (inner witness) obliges to follow that accord, if no, still ok? as long as the origin has its descent as an act of giving one tenth of ALL (not just farm produce)

3. My privilege? yes, meybe i choose to found a doctrine in that ordinance and the other doesnt

4. My feelings if the rest are not obliged to follow suit? indifferent. Maybe they choose not to found a doctrine in that ordinance

Just when did Tithing begun with the law that it should be reckoned with the law?

Christianity Etc › Re: Heretic teachings e.g. "I Am Christ" - Their Effects in Society/Christianity by Tonyet1(m): 5:57pm On Jun 07, 2010

[quote author=Mad_Max link=topic=457640.msg6162826#msg6162826 date=1275832088]Just beautiful.

Feel free to believe what you want.

We might discuss divergent views, but we can't impose our beliefs on others as 'the truth'.[/quote]May your quote be the balance factor my friend wink

Christianity Etc › Re: Heretic teachings e.g. "I Am Christ" - Their Effects in Society/Christianity by Tonyet1(m): 5:08pm On Jun 07, 2010

Respective of the fact that Tithe and its practise is not a law. let me for once slightly agree that tithing is a law. Now the question is: IS THE LAW AN EVIL THING. for the same Paul you seem to base your argument about his teachings and/vs. the law has this to say:

1 Timothy 1:8 - we know that the law is good if anyone uses it well

Meaning should anyone choose to pay tithe based on mints and cummins, it is good so long as it is done accrding to scriptures. Kunle i really find it so hard to understand why you feel so hardened and biaise about the God's word despite its transparency and simplicity. If the eye of a man is single his whole body will be full of light (scriptures). lets say 'urs is yet to be single with the cramps you feed yourself daily with in NL religious section from 1st class psychologist and unbelieving intellects.

Christianity Etc › Re: Heretic teachings e.g. "I Am Christ" - Their Effects in Society/Christianity by Tonyet1(m): 3:55pm On Jun 07, 2010

KunleOshob:
@tonye-tithes
So how come even though your so called ordinances were never directed to christians, you fill comfortable with the clergy twisting it and applying it ilegally to christianity. What could be more heretic than that ?

ALL scriptures including Matthew 23:23 are given by God and are profitable for instruction, learning. . . in righteousness.

I read Matthew 23:23 and choose to serve the Most High with that, is there a problem with that. And maybe you've forgetten the passage and its lesson, then let Tonye quote it for you in my fondly generosity. wink

Matt.23:23 - Jesus said unto them - practise mercy, practise justice, practise faithfulness and i say also DO NOT NEGLECT TO PRACTISE TITHE.

Christianity Etc › Re: Heretic teachings e.g. "I Am Christ" - Their Effects in Society/Christianity by Tonyet1(m): 3:48pm On Jun 07, 2010

aletheia:
Christian doctrine can be defined as any instruction or teaching that is explicitly taught in Scripture or that
which finds support from valid implications and applications of Scripture. Doctrine assists us in understanding God
and instructs us as to how we are to live pleasing to Him and with others. In other words Christian doctrine can
either be:

le-errenus!le-errenus!!le-errenus!!! the priest screameth

Oh! chosen one of the most High God from amongst thy brethren why screamest thou?

quiet he remaineth, suddenly he said - The true God cannot be understood nor fathomed by the/through the doctrines of men.

They looked alased, and then asketh them why to him? he said unto them because God weareth no garment, eateth no food, neither doest he puts on a male pant nor females'.

God is not understood by doctrines, for they are nothing but the traditions of men coined in to a culture a people. How daresth thou man to coin God to be doctrine, for when they say LOVE IS A DOCTRINE, then they said GOD IS A DOCTRINE. le-errenus, he screamed again.

*did i also tell you that doctrine even believe that God is a male in likeness.nonsense

Christianity Etc › Re: Heretic teachings e.g. "I Am Christ" - Their Effects in Society/Christianity by Tonyet1(m): 3:27pm On Jun 07, 2010

^^^beautiful as u may sound there yet it wont take even a kid to deduce you just ended childish. . . same O G.

The problem is that some folks just talk before reasoning and yet when they discover their mistakes, pride and undue ego wont let them own up to their mistakes. That said:

Dude, go back and understand the difference btw DOCTRINE and ORDINANCE. Tithe is not a doctrine, its an orderand guess what this man is willing to take it to insumountables. do you understand?

Christianity Etc › Re: Heretic teachings e.g. "I Am Christ" - Their Effects in Society/Christianity by Tonyet1(m): 10:42am On Jun 07, 2010

From the inception of this thread i could deduce the OP's intentions. Self-righteous fanaticism seems even an understatement.

Firstly: Your understanding of the term 'doctrine' in your POV is right but wrong it would be when you tend to subject folks to that rather limited sphere. If my grammar were anything to reckon with then sarcasm will explain it better.

I think a better def. of the word “Doctrine” in my POV would mean a set of guidelines that defines how people live and how livelihood is conducted with the confinement of their chosen allegiance.

ALL scriptures(OT and NT) are given BY GOD and are profitable for DOCTRINE. Therefore let not him who eats meat condemn he who doesn’t eat meat(scriptures). Afterall the both found their faith and belief system on the same biblos.

If I choose to assume the “goD(solution) is me consciousness” I am in every way still right within the holy biblos. Afterall “ye are gods (scriptures)”.

If another chooses to assume the “GOD(solution) for me consciousness” He is still right within the holy biblos. Afterall “trust in the Lord with all your heart and lean not on your understanding [inherent power]” (scriptures).

If I choose to found my doctrine that females should not teach (Paul’s view) I am also within the confinement of the biblos. And if another does the contrary such is still right within the confinement of the afore mentioned following Jesus’ view.

A prejudice more than a sin it will mean if I raise up my voice to say my dogma is al-suprema over anothers. Before we spot at the speck in another’s eye let us all remove the LOG in our eyes (scriptures). Note the word LOG* it means everyone’s view has it errors because every man seems to be right in his own eyes (scriptures)

And one thing that really baffles me is the way you throw insults @ people especially when they see it differently. Hmmmm whatever!

Autos › Re: BUY YOUR RELIABLE CARS FROM COTONU @ A REASONABLE PRICE: 08060989506 by Tonyet1(m): 5:05pm On May 17, 2010

Honda accord 1994 0r 1996 model with AC and automatic gear transmission. pls dis is very important

Autos › Re: Do You Want A Car Of Your Choice?then Read This. by Tonyet1(m): 5:02pm On May 17, 2010

I need a honda accord 1994 or 1996 model(A/C and auto transmission) from cotonou to lagos. How much, pls treat this as important. cheers!

Autos › Re: Get your Cars From Cotonou (Direct TOKS) At Reasonable Prices. by Tonyet1(m): 4:56pm On May 17, 2010

how much can i get this car (honda accord 1994-1996)from cotonou to lagos, a/c and automatic. pls give me a very realisitic price. this is very important! cheers

Autos › Re: Baby Boy Honda American Spec For Sale Pics by Tonyet1(m): 4:44pm On May 17, 2010

Did you mean camry? or are my eyes deceiving me?

Christianity Etc › Re: Nuclearboy . . . On Abraham, Genesis 14 by Tonyet1(m): 10:29am On May 15, 2010

OMG. . . viaro u r awesome. ^{i wish my job could avail me time & chance to show more often in NL, *sighs* my biggest challenge}

Christianity Etc › Re: The Lessons Of Giving And The Hypocrites! by Tonyet1(op): 5:40pm On May 07, 2010

ogajim:
What you and your Jerry Curled con men fail to realize tonye-tithe is the "change in Priesthood" , maybe you should read up on that in case you forgot the Christian is the Church now and our MOG is non other than Jesus Christ, not some other guy no matter what he wants to be called or how many greatest hits videos he has to his credit.

By their FRUITS we shall definitely know them! Get a REAL JOB instead of trying to use the Bible dude

what a post grin

gooosh cant help lafter anymore. what has 'change in [size=15pt]Priest[/size][size=19pt]HOOD[/size]' got to do with giving? angry

Christianity Etc › Re: The Lessons Of Giving And The Hypocrites! by Tonyet1(op): 5:36pm On May 07, 2010

ttalks:
Eph 4:28
(28) Let him that stole steal no more: but rather let him labour, working with his hands the thing which is good, that he may have to give to him that needeth.

1Co 16:1-2
(1) Now concerning the collection for the saints, as I have given order to the churches of Galatia, even so do ye.
(2) Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come.

Gal 2:10
(10) They only [made one stipulation], that we were to remember the poor, which very thing I was also eager to do.

ROTFLS seriously i can now read their minds. . .goooosh i thought of these scriptures as much too as it appears that's all they got to show and offer.

1. What Paul meant in ephesians was a plea to idle folks who lazy around and make a living from stealing to desist and bcome of responsibility to those who'll need their services. It had nothing to do with giving your money to the poor as he never refered to all christians but rather does who steal. correction!

2. So when did "collection of the saint" bcome "collection for poor and needy" gooosh these guys will not seize to pop lafter in me. grin

3. what a point you gave in Gal.2:10. But pls did you check the meaning of that usage 'poor'. for your info it never referred to beggars, nor those in need.maybe Matt. 5:3 will explain berra. wink

^{*see how serious he posted thinking to have made a point} grin

Christianity Etc › Re: The Lessons Of Giving And The Hypocrites! by Tonyet1(op): 5:20pm On May 07, 2010

Zikkyy:
Oga Tonye,
There was no instruction that the apostles should continue to enrich themselves by collecting from the poor.

And what exactly are your evidence? do you attend their churches? do you know the number of poor folks who receive blessings from this same ministries you guys always come around crucifying here?

What you guys fail to realise is that these 'poor' folks would not attend these churches if they were not blessed, like the scriptures rightly put it

Luke 17:37
And he said unto them, Where the body is, there will the eagles also be gathered together.
ASV

Christianity Etc › Re: The Lessons Of Giving And The Hypocrites! by Tonyet1(op): 5:13pm On May 07, 2010

nuclearboy:
why not answer the queries or provide your scriptural evidence?

My friend, pls post the queries and i'll provide you scriptural evidence.

nuclearboy:
I lot of people are reading this, tonye and you are just showing you are absolutely shameless, morally bankrupt and without conscience.

Over and over here, we ALL have said "giving is GOOD" and synonymous with Christianity. BUT manipulated "collection" by pastors is wrong and ANYBODY who turns God's Word upside down is worng, no matter how many people are in their congregation or how you wish it away.

And how exactly do they manipulate these scriptures? pls answer me. Its very obvious now i can tag you as member of the band of dilly-dallies.

what is manipulation in preaching tithing as a relevant task for believers of God?
what is manipulation in preaching for collections to be used to help give scholarships to folks in school?
what is manipulation in preaching to christians the benefits of giving to one another?
what is manipulation in preaching for collections to be used for outreaches and missions?
what is manipulation in preaching to believers the christian obligations to the needy and orphans?

Nuclearboy, all you guys do is come around, find some gossip stuffs about innocent MOG and paint their ministries black. "pls remove that log b4 pointing at the others' speck" - just an advice!

tell me you support tithing fine!
tell me you agree to giving fine!

else tell me you ( and i mean your band since you used the word 'WE') are of the opinion that giving should stop in churches because of the way some fake MOGs abuse it and i'll have problems with that. undecided

Christianity Etc › Re: The Lessons Of Giving And The Hypocrites! by Tonyet1(op): 4:23pm On May 07, 2010

This boy I dont even know if your name is nuclear or notclear,

So when did you also become a Jesus to judge the "mogs" by calling them theives who made u a judge. Who exactly is the hypocrite here? pathetic.

1. Your stern biase as well as you pals' will only make you feel jealous when MOGs do well and prolly u dont

2. Jesus said "give and it shall be given back to you in good measures" you hypocrites see this and close your "eyeless" eyes. because it plainly rebuke your baseless rebukes. what a shame!

3. God so love the world that HE GAVE, if i say i love God, then i should give.simple!, but you hypocrites say no no the new testament did not say we should give. But how else can one love without giving something, be it money, kind, or acts of benevolence. what a shame!

4. Hey hey hey as the hypos will always say, Tonye-thief, Paul as a pastor worked for his moneys therefore all MOGs should follow suit. Ok! so if dat was the case, therefore no MOG should get married, since paul didnt. ever thought of that. what a shame.

5. The MOGs are PIMPs they say! ok what made them a PIMPs, they reply: they wears curls, fly on private jets and wears about the 'flyest' suits. OK! so what happened to the sweet donkey Jesus used, what happened to the fly garment those baggers almost killed themselves for?

John the baptist came not eating anything and the people called him A DEMON POSSESSED
Jesus came eating and drinking and now the same people called him A GLUTTON.

If these MOGs live worse, you hypos'll find something silly to say
Now they are look good and live great lives and still further the gospel very well, the same hypos'll not let them be. gooooosh what a world of folks.

6. That dude by name Kunle will open his brash mouth and say, the church is not where Pastors ought to earn their living. show him dis passage and he'll run as well as Zikkyy and Ogajim (Kunle's shadow).

1 Cor 9:12-14
13 Do you not know that those who minister the holy things eat of the things of the temple , and those who serve at the altar partake of the offerings of the altar?
14 Even so the Lord has commanded that those who preach the gospel should live from the gospel. NKJV

7. Tell dis hypos that MOGs LIVELIHOOD is a COMMAND FROM GOD they'll keep quite, the next day they are all off at it again. over what? maybe to face the fact that these MOGs are blessed by God aint a possible thing in their givingless lives.

Mr Davidylan of all people even opened his mouth to rebuke these men and i wondered ok! what exactly is your point

1. He said Tithes

hmmm. . . ok is it wrong even WHEN JESUS STRAIGHTLY SAID PRACTISE TITHING. ever since he's been mute. I wonder!

Christianity Etc › Re: The Lessons Of Giving And The Hypocrites! by Tonyet1(op): 4:00pm On May 07, 2010

@ Alethiea and Ttalks (well renowned hypos),

since you guys carry the crusade that the wholistic message of giving by Paul in the Ntestament was to give to the poor et al, pls show me where paul in the whole of the NT ever mentioned that WE AS CHRISTIANS SHOULD EVER GIVE MONEY TO THE POOR. pls show biblical reference else forever keep quiet here. i didnt say so the jury did.! cool

Christianity Etc › Re: The Lessons Of Giving And The Hypocrites! by Tonyet1(op): 3:54pm On May 07, 2010

NuclearBoy,

Stop talking too much and answer a simple question, why did Jesus accepted the alabaster perfume on his feet when it was suppose to be sold and the money given to the poor?

Christianity Etc › Re: The Lessons Of Giving And The Hypocrites! by Tonyet1(op): 5:19pm On May 05, 2010

noetic17:
why not address the posers he raised.

P.S , . . , I have a bowl of yoghurt here eagerly awaiting an EXPLOSIVE encounter here. This thread promises to be good.

You really can predict! sure they wont answer the questions, but would rather go about their usual dilly-dallies. cheesy

Christianity Etc › Re: The Lessons Of Giving And The Hypocrites! by Tonyet1(op): 5:13pm On May 05, 2010

NuclearBoy,

For as long as you keep looking/lurking at the prosperity of God's servant with a sentiment, you'll keep seeing reasons why you should give and why you should not. And that to me spells immaturity and bitterness!

But wait and ask yourself this. Am i really a follower of these MOGs or follower of Christ. if you're of the latter, then sincerity should prick you to go back and get a full grasp of the essence of giving.

Lets take some few instances of those who gave in the nTestament.

- Men from the east : essence- it was a custom to give to a King, now did they give those gifts to the poor or needy? no! why? because it was the status quo.

- The widows mint : essence- for offering in the temple, recall she gave her all, now ever pondered that now she's given her all, what will she survive with. did Jesus know her circumstance? Yes! what did he do? He commended her and nothing more at least from what we read. Why only commendation? Because temple given was a status quo be you a widow, orphan, needy and so on.

- The alabaster woman: essence- to honor a great personality. Since you guys say the WHOLE essence of giving as taught by Christ was to give to the poor and needy, Why didnt Jesus stopped her and sell the ointment/perfume and give it to the poor at least he would have done a noble thing b4 his disciples, but yet he accepted the expensive perfume to be used on HIS FEET of all places and even rebuked the disciples for ever thinking of selling and giving to the poor and needy. Aint Jesus a supposed-greedy guy you'd say! but wait! he accepted all those stuffs to himself alone and in turn blessed her because it was a thing in his time for folks to identify great people and honor them.

- The donkey & the truimphant entry: Jesus took someone's backside prolly/maybe the only backside of the owner without application or protocol, sat on it and came into the gates of jerusalem where it was recorded THE PEOPLE THREW FLOWERS AND CLOTHES BENEATH THE donkey's FEET. He sat and made a mess of their materials and in turn cursed them. why the waste you'll imagine? but do you know it meant so much for him to using that backside.

Have you ever asked if Paul ever preached/ wrote that WE SHOULD GIVE MONEYS TO THE POOR AND NEEDY. if there was a scripture pls show me maybe i could join your wagon of hallucilant and spread the gospel THAT THE WHOLE ESSENCE OF GIVING WAS FOR THE POOR.

Dont get me wrong i aint saying the poor nor the needy should not receive our benevolence. Afterall its part of the status quo/obligation for believers, but to base/ generalize/channel all giving to the poor because you feel jealous at God's blessings over his servants is simple pathetic!

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