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Sagamite:
He is smiling that "Life is sweet for me", and "Life is sweat for congression".

. . .just how did you know?. . .like i was wondering how does entering a jet mean life is beautiful like you put it?  . . .goes to expose how some folks really reason

JeSoul:
Tonye, no problem. Whether na administration abi gift abi organization or ministry, I don talk my own finish. It is obvious to the casual observer there is little to no unity within what is labeled the 'church' today. And the reasons why, I hope, should even be more obvious. God bless ehn.

J-babe i swear i love you die! you have said it as it should be. There is little or no unity in the church today. . .yes. . . very correct. . . but my notion is that no one should come up here and say the reason why Oyedepo has not been invited to chris' church IS BECAUSE of hatred. It is simply some cheap conclusion that has no basis for true chrisitian discourse. I hope you've learnt not to jump into unhealthy conclusions . . . its immature.!

aletheia:
Lie #3
And yet their both conceptions will pass for salvation.
^Good grief. There are now two (according to Tonye-t) Ways to salvation
But unfortunately for you: There is Only One Lord Jesus. You are comfortable saying that there are two "conceptions" (the gospel has now become a concept abi?) because you have crafted for yourself a man-centered gospel of works and tried to merchandise the free grace of our Lord.

ttalks:
1Corinthians 12:3-6
(3) Therefore I want you to understand that no one speaking under the power and influence of the [Holy] Spirit of God can [ever] say, Jesus be cursed! And no one can [really] say, Jesus is [my] Lord, except by and under the power and influence of the Holy Spirit.
(4) Now there are distinctive varieties and distributions of endowments (gifts, extraordinary powers distinguishing certain Christians, due to the power of divine grace operating in their souls by the Holy Spirit) and they vary, but the [Holy] Spirit remains the same.
(5) And there are distinctive varieties of service and ministration, but it is the same Lord [Who is served].
(6) And there are distinctive varieties of operation [of working to accomplish things], but it is the same God Who inspires and energizes them all in all.

There are different ways of accomplishing God's task for man. They are different probably in execution,style or manner; . . . . but are all in harmony/or make up a complete and non disagreeble unit when brought together.

They must conform to what the word of God says they are.

All these different administrations(of the gifts of the Spirit) are needed by every christian, so we can't say it is only a select set of people that are in need of a particular administration.
I guess this has to deal with the growth of a Christian. There are those administrations that are needed at the beginning stage, there are those that are needed at the middle stage
and then there are those that are needed at the matured stage(1st foundation - 2nd Building / 1st planting - 2nd watering) <<<< that sort of analogy

Therefore,every form of[b] God recognized[/b] administration has to be available one way or the other to every christian.

My take.

Elbow is designed to make a joint, therefore it doesnt need any finger to make it a joint, else nails will be growing from one's elbow (try and picture this scenario). It rather needs other parts of his members to make it a joint and not some finger somewhere.

Finger is designed to grow nails and not to digest food, it doesnt need the stomach to make it a finger, it only needs the stomach to make them a complete body, because if the stomach is not there, the finger will still be a finger by shape.

Waist is there to connect the upper-parts with the lower-parts by design and it has its own members to make it function as a waist. Heart is there to pump blood cells.

Heart is there to administer blood cells through the body and it has its own members to make it complete now this is where administration comes to play it doesnt need the members of the waist to make it a heart.

Bringing this analogy to play will mean Oyedepo having his own design and ministry for instance he could be the neck, while Oyakhilome has his own design too and he could be the kidney. Now is a neck the same as a kidney or are they created to play the same role? i certainly dont think so! but yet they all fulfill the harmony of making a BODY.

Now no one should get me wrong, i never insinuated they maynt need each other, I only said they are different in design and probably may not augment each other. _{because alot of folks here suffer alot from consternation}.

Talk to me!

aletheia:
^^I guess that part is missing from Tonye-t's Bible.

JeSoul:
Aletheia, you try self.

It would appear our brother Tonye thinks:  different administrations = different "ministries" . . . and by administration, he equates that to something along the lines of each one running their own seperate "organization".

When in the biblical reality, administration simply refers to different gifts - not each one given their own organization to run. It is: different gifts, working together towards the same ministry, the ministry we've all be been charged with of making disciples. And if we are one body working towards building Christ's church, will the hand ever say to the leg "wetin concern me with your ministry?" or will the eye say to the hand "you no fit come preach for my church since we get different 'ministry'"? will the mouth reject the foot and say "my own no concern you oh!" . . . but yet, T-boy is insisting they have "different administrations" and "one no concern the other".

na wa oh. . . some folks can go any length to defend their twaddles especially when their errs have been exposed. . .another issue of 'ego syndrome'.

In their minds they'll be thinking aometihing lilke this -  [size=5pt]why would i accept this truth. . .if i do my colleagues may think i am dumb and a loser so let me go on and continue saying stuffs. . .you never can tell[/size].  no wonder someone called it the "religious section circles" i concur with a better tag "religious section circles of dumb elites" a synonym for "Pharisees".

Sister Mi when has ADMINISTRATION come to mean the same thing as GIFTS. hmmmmm very sad! 

JeSoul:
Aletheia, you try self.

It would appear our brother Tonye thinks: different administrations = different "ministries" . . . and by administration, he equates that to something along the lines of each one running their own seperate "organization".

aletheia:
The True Church has Only One Head-Christ Himself and only One Administrator-the Holy Spirit.

Aletheia! Aletheia!! Aletheia!!! how many times i call ya name, be careful with you heresies . ^{sometimes i really wish i could see the faces of these dudes on Facebooks.}

aletheia:
^And thereby proves the point he's arguing against. Two different "banks", two different "administrations" that is to say two different spirits but one "mission" to take your money-read to lead men astray. But I wonder why his example is coached in terms of Mammon? Doesn' t that tell us something?

The True Church has Only One Head-Christ Himself and only One Administrator-the Holy Spirit.

gooosshhh this is the dumbest assertions of the day coming from the self-acclaimed elite .


pls tell me where in this thread i argued against different adminstrations, maybe i cant remember.

must your post be always childish and dumb? cant you cool down b4 replying post? i understand your adrenaline rush, but atleast if you cant exhibit patience fake it.  it will make some sense.

aletheia:
^Thank God for the Bible because today on this thread, it will be established that both Joagbaje and Tonye-t are wolves masquerading as sheep and lying through their teeth against the Bible.
#1. What doctrines of James that Paul didn't approve of? List them here for us now
#2. What revelation or assignment from Jesus is different from Matthew 28:18-20; unless it is the revelation and assignment you dreamt up for yourself, which is why it will differ between joagbaje and tonye-t.

In fact what comes out clearly in both of you people's response is the shoddy and relativistic way that you handle truth.

Aletheia, from inception i could easily deduce you have an issue with 'Trepidation' and it shows again and again. you always jump from no where and end up asserting your usual gibberish. like seriously dont you think and reason wide before talking? if u no know wetin to talk cant u just remain silent behind your LCD,? na wa oh!  

For you to come here and make folks believe the only revelation or assignment Jesus gave was matt. 28:18-20 goes to tell us the term "napkin" is still useful in the dictionary at least for yoursake. Was Matt.28:18 the only assignment Jesus gave to his disciples?

While you still hallucinate and ^{prolly think of what to insult an elder brother}  , let me make clear to you the varying forms of assignments.

Doctrines are set of guildlines made by leaders that are laid down for followers. In scriptures paul talked of various forms of clergies, like bishops, Apostles, Teachers etc. Now these clergies could be masters yet have different believe-system (i'll quote scriptures) its called the spheres of faith (also scriptural) and when they teach God's word they also influence their followers to these dogmas. For instance, John the baptist believed so much in fasting, while Jesus' disciples were almost opposite.

Having several belief-system is not wrong so long as it has and maintains its validity within the context of the HOLY SCRIPTURES. For instance, a leader who still believe in the LAW of Moses could raise his own followers and make them believe in his believe-system.

. . . Another could come and do the other way and his followers are also influenced likewise too. Now what matters to God is the DESTINATION of these souls under their believe system.

Here is how bible puts it:

One man's ministry could accept certain modes, while the other does the different, but good a thing is it if they both do it unto the Lord. Now dont you think the meat-eater may never invite the non-meat-eater on the grounds on the varying believe system, but yet they both still have validity under scriptural context, they both can make heaven as well as their followers. this could be the scenario btw chris and Oyedepo. (only a baby will still argue over this).

I rest my case while the bullies come with their bullions of pride and ego to condemn other folks contributions.!  

JeSoul:
This post suffers one ailment - myopia. Thankfully, it can be easily corrected with converging lens to put things in proper perspective and context.

JeSoul:
-it is one thing to have 2 people working within the same vineyard - one plants and one waters - this is what Paul is describing.

-And it is quite another to have 2 men operating 2 different & seperate vineyards - this is the case with Oyedepo and Oyak.

   To prove this is infact the case, answer one simple question - does Oyakhilome send 'converts' from his church to Oyedepo for 'watering'? or vice versa? since they have specific "ministries"? or are they both do-it-all pastors that can sow, gather, plant, water, reap, harvest?

JeSoul:
To prove this is infact the case, answer one simple question - does Oyakhilome send 'converts' from his church to Oyedepo for 'watering'? or vice versa? since they have specific "ministries"? or are they both do-it-all pastors that can sow, gather, plant, water, reap, harvest?

Why should Oyakhilome send converts to Oyedepo's church when they both have different administrations. Like why would Zenith bank send its recruits(converts) to Oceanic bank when the both have different strategies even though one mission.

Comooooonn! 

JeSoul:
Tonye, I have said what I will say and I'm satisfied to leave it at that.

Oh this is what has always made me fall in love for this chick! comon i thought you've outgrown this. . .

And while you are still on the leave-it-at-that state, let me complete that passage you did not end

anonimi:
very much so for tithe maniacs (lovers of tithes) and tithe mongers (peddlers/hawkers of tithes)

kokoye:
Agreed.

Image123:
^it's already been discussed on nl, what's the guarantee that you'll learn anything if anyone talked about that passage. Ask kunle to explain the passage to you, he's been taught before, except of course if he Never learns.

Brother you know na! we both need to keep sounding it again and again, not to convince them but to let our words stand to convict them.

Pastor AIO:
They don't even bother to attempt quoting bible anymore. If you say it forcefully enough then it will become true!!
I thought someone had asked a serious question about what a biblical passage meant. Do you have anything to say about the deuteronomy passage? We're talking about tithes here.

Dont bother! I was thinking we create a thread and make a discourse on this Tithe issue like brethren. just you and I. watcha think? 

Image123:
I'm just asking him o. You know kunle can do and undo. I suspect he sets apart his tithe strictly for bacchus annoything.

nopuqeater:
Under the nose of a prophet (Prophet Lut (AS)), the culture of Gay and Lesbian (Homosexual) exploded.


There is no Messenger or Prophet From God in existence, today.

The Arabs experience 1 Messenger prophet, Muhammad (AS). And not all the Arabs are Muslims. And not every Muslim is good, an non deviant Muslim.

The Children of Israel, starting from Prophet Joseph (AS) had the benefit of many, many messengers and or prophets (Moses and his brother Aaron, at the same time, Joshua, etc, Elijah, Elisha, Ezra, David, Solomon, Zachariah, John and Jesus son of Mary (AS to all of them)).

With all of these noble people in their lives, they practice even today Homosexual.

And it is interesting to know that some idolatry religions i africa, one can not find a single homosexual among the adherents. Religion, true or false is not the reality for making a person practice evil. It should have been the reason to not make a person not do evil.

Muhammad(AS) said that those who invent a thing that is not part of islam as says it is acceptable in Islam, is not from Me. So the Messenger and prophet who Allah gave the responsibility and duty of leading all to success declares that homosexuals are not muslims. I accept it and just as a nation of islam person who practices his religion as if it is a sunday church service is not a muslim. Though he says he is a muslim.