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nuclearboy:
- Bill Gates, Oprah and King Fahd have greater testimonies - who do they pay tithe to?
- And you believe we don't have Bibles to read? Where does the command come from God except to be paid as outlined above? Liar!
- Because they preach it contrary to God's Word. I preach giving to the needy and no-one calls me a thief since I don't gain from that!

nuclearboy:
- Deut 26 is very clear THAT tithes belong to the stranger, the needy, the widow AND the Levite (BECAUSE the levite has no source of
income.) But the Scriptures destroyed your standpoint when it tells us that Jesus, a non-levite, Peter (same) and Paul (same)
WORKED and NEVER COLLECTED TITHE from anybody. Please oppose this by showing where they preached tithe and collected it.

nuclearboy:
- Nothing is wrong with giving to a man of God (if it is not by trickery, fear based or emotionally motivated)
- Offerings and ^ (the line above) are the same EXCEPT to thieves looking for more ways to scam innocent gullible people
- Prosperity was NEVER preached by Jesus or His disciples. If you are following Him, where's your example from Him or the Apostles
- Deut 26 is very clear THAT tithes belong to the stranger, the needy, the widow AND the Levite (BECAUSE the levite has no source of
    income.) But the Scriptures destroyed your standpoint when it tells us that Jesus, a non-levite, Peter (same) and Paul (same)
    WORKED and NEVER COLLECTED TITHE from anybody. Please oppose this by showing where they preached tithe and collected it.

- Bill Gates, Oprah and King Fahd have greater testimonies - who do they pay tithe to?
- And you believe we don't have Bibles to read? Where does the command come from God except to be paid as outlined above? Liar!
- Because they preach it contrary to God's Word. I preach giving to the needy and no-one calls me a thief since I don't gain from that!

- Giving is a beautiful thing but does not include cash alone and is not to be directed towards jobless pastors only. Go find work
- Prosperity is fine, but not at the cost of another's happiness or lying against God or cajoling people for your pocket's benefit

- The Bible gives stories about all kinds of people (rich and poor). Why don't you preach Job' trials and the Apostles sufferings as doctrine?
- Jesus didn't say "Give unto rich pastors and it shall return to you". He said "GIVE". And He said when you bless the poor and clothe them
    and feed them, you feed HIM - so He felt they were more worthy. If you disagree, quote your Bible!
- Yes, God loves a cheerful giver. Pastors should start giving their possessions too, not taking from poorer people.
- Better read your Bible without sunshades colored with Naira notes. "Riches in Glory" on EARTH?  Chei, see "christian"

- The "antis" are saying what the Bible says - Tell us if the Bible is wrong or not
- Sure we're biased - We're biased FOR GOD and are on God's side. What are you doing standing against God?
- Sentimental? Yes! We know poor people need food, shelter, child fees and hospicare. We also know MOG's cannot enter more than one
    car at a time or sleep in more than one room. Plus, how can the disciples be greater than their master Jesus?

- Who was the hypocrite? - David who wanted to kill the guy who "stole" a poor man's only sheep to feed his guest or Nathan who told
    him he it was that had much yet wanted a poor man's inheritance and was wrong?
- The Bible's Gospel is about a Christian reaping his Labors on EARTH in Heaven. Your gospel is about dominion and cash on earth and its
    contrary to the Word of God. Who is right? You or God?
- This thread is about "profit for you" to you and "profit for God" to me! You tell me who has God in mind and honors Him!

Tonye-tithes,

2 Peter Chap 2 does not discuss tithing or earthly money so you likely never heard or read it. Do yourself a favor and read it. Enjoy your day!

berakah - meaning the force of attracting wealth, like a seed planted has the ability to generate more seeds.

when last did you read your biblos ? 

i'll come back shortly got some work to do

JeSoul:
Tonye, I see your exams are over lol. I'm less inclined to tussle at the mo' . . . but if being a "hypocrit" is simply Tonye-speak for those who do not bend over to the 'gospel' of modern-day mOGs, then by all means, I and the others are staunch, unrepentant, die-hard and extremely proud hypocrits.

J-babe,

Yeah my projects are over, at least for now  . my use of the word "hypocrite" aint intended to insult anyone but to stir a fact. (*^{apologies if it read the otherwise}).

Your use of the term "gospel" of the modern-day MOGs may mean that you do not go to modern churches as well as listen to their sermons. i guess you are coming from the ancient and prolly still need some time to settle in the present.

but whicheverway it goes, lets both realise that the latter church cannot and i repeat cannot be like the early church. one was intended to plant while the other waters. at least simple logic will tell us that those who build d foundation aint the same as those who'll put the finishings.

My point:

- giving remains a status even in the new testament, do yourself the favor of unsettling the notion that because the act of giving has been widely abuse now means it is evil to give or preach giving.

davidylan:
tithing - a modern-day avenue to despoil the laity in the name of gawd.

aletheia:
Won't you thank me? Now that you have been educated on the meaning and use of the word of, you are chasing shadows and further exposing your limited English comprehension (which may account for you despicable practice of twisting scriptures to mean what they don't). What does it take for you to get a dictionary and find out the meaning of these words:
1. Of
2. Nonplussed
3. Non sequitur?

Seriously, get off your high horse or risk falling on your face! It has been comprehensively demonstrated to you that
Matters of the Law = The Law, but your pride will not allow you to admit that you were wrong there.

@Alethiea,

Like seriously, your posts are sounding all the more dumb. My nonresponse to your post should have signaled something to the contrary. But since you won’t let me be, then have it:

1st you said: Matters of the Law = THE LAW

And you further used the instance that if Tonye-t is of Nigeria it insinuates that Tonye-t is a Nigerian. Which as a sentence is correct but being used as an instance in this logic is just  wrong.

Let me explain,

Since you said:                                                                            Matters of the Law =  THE LAW

Therefore i should follow your example to say that:                      Writers of the Law  =  THE LAW

And maybe i should also insinuate from your instance that:      Lovers of the Law   =  THE LAW (does it make any sense, like seriously how does it sound to your logic)

I was even trying to correct you silently but your haste wont let you learn. How can you use the sentence Tonye-t IS OF Nigeria to substantiate the same thing as Matters OF THE law. next time take note: IS OF != OF THE. I wish you’ll realize u gaffe n let me find peace even though i know u wont?  Next time you want to argue grammar try doing so rationally not rashly.  Cheers!

JeSoul:
I have been content to stay behind the scenes and allow these awesome fellas duke it out with you . . . until you mentioned the above. Dude. You had that other ID that both I and Kunle know about, don't make me expose your behind here and don't chastise InesQor for a crime you yourself have committed a few times. Now carry on. Cheers

@ Jesoul,
Sister Mi, hope you know that to assume falsehood or tell lies are both sins  . Pls I dare you with all humility to prove or expose me if I’ve got two/multi-personalities/id’s here  . And do it with transparency with substantial proofs  . And by the way, thanks for the prayers, I made it thru’ my exams successfully on friday. Cheers!

osaromike:
You people have turned this forum to english language class. To be candid if tithing is to be stoped alot of churches will close business. Its illegal for pastors to collect tithe according to Deu 22:14 and Deu 26. Even the pastors after collecting the tithe they will also be oppressing us with latest cars and correct wears,while those that were forcefully brain washed into dropping their tithe are dieing of hungry. [b]My question is why is it that is only tithing that was smuggled from the old testament?[/b]i read in my bible that those men in old testament married alot of women,why are we not adviced to marry more than one wife?

aletheia:
@Tonye-t

I wanted to ignore your befuddled logic but for the sake of others, I 'll have to set you straight and go some way towards redeeming the funds spent on your education. It is obvious that English comprehension is a problem for you despite that you are obviously a talented individual.

Apparently touched a raw nerve there, otherwise I am nonplussed at this non sequitur. What has your B. Eng got to do with your arguments?

But aren't you a tithe monger, a purveyor of false hopes?

@ Alethiea,

- like what has NECO got to do with the arguments

- like what has "nonplussed" and "non sequitur" got to do with the arguments

Dude like seriously, you just babbled!

@InesQor,

If/since you're that dude Mavenbox, then you've just earned my respect even though your et al's seem to love this peronality-id-matching game. i dislike it!. At least my posts are evident to dat. U R D best! K? *^{i wish you're intelligent as Mavenb0x}

You said something, and i think i should seek further clerity with just two questions.

InesQor:
How does one give to God? And even the Tithe, if one chooses to?

You know, the interesting thing that dawned on me recently is that God required the tithes to be paid to Levites not only because they were his priests, BUT also because they had NOTHING else that they could call their own. No possessions, no farmland, no livestock! God was their inheritance, and besides the tithes they received they would have been way too poor to even survive.

The other people with whom tithes were shared were widows, orphans and the destitute: OTHER PEOPLE who also had nothing to call their own, except for God who is their own inheritance.

InesQor:
The other people with whom tithes were shared were widows, orphans and the destitute: OTHER PEOPLE who also had nothing to call their own, except for God who is their own inheritance.

O yes, you are right to deduce that part of the tithes collected were shared amongst the widows, orphans and destitutes.

Every true and sincere tithe giver should know and practise the act of giving a portion to the aforementioned. My church does it and many churches i know. it's your prerogative to know the right churches that practises the act well before giving.

My emphasis is that the actof tithing is still very much relevant. It is used to help the church and not that made of hands. do you understand? cheers!  

ogajim:
Sorry dude, I am there every Sunday and do a lot of things save paying tithe, even if I gave the same amount that would have been called tithe, it would still be offered in an "offering" envelope

I don't roll with bad doctrines or people!

At least tithe was given even though as offering 

streetwize:
Yes, as I said before God expects you to obey his commandments, however the logic is very simple

Now what the bible really says as you know is. If you love me, keep my commandments
This is not a condition of any sort. I can tell my wife, If you love me, go to shomolu and pick up my rubber slippers from the shoemaker. Wether she does this or not does not change the fact that she loves me or not

And I am not sayin what God asks is unreasonable, all I am telling you is this
That you obey him doesnt mean you love God, and that you disobey doesnt mean u despise him either
He expects that we show our love by obeying him, but that we dont obey just means we arent showing the love through obedience, not that it isnt there
you do not do what he told you to do one day, does that mean you dont love him

streetwize:
Chukwudi44 ive already addressed that, first of all no one is yet to show me where it was made a commandment to get baptised and secondly, the fact that you disobey your dad does not mean that you do not love him, you just disobeyed him ni. . . abi uve never disobeyed God of your dad b4?. . .

ogajim:
Good luck on your exams.

Don't mind us poking holes in the tithe scam jare!, your people want to collect people, thought it's a tax write off in these parts, I just find it hard to thin my Jesus wanting me to pay for his blessing.

Shalom.

Thank you my brother! but dont fail to give your tithe to ur church ok?

KunleOshob:
Tithing is clearly NOT relevant to christianity else the apostles would have taught it to the early christian converts and i NEVER attested that tithing is still relevant as it is a man made doctrine concorted to feed the greed of a few.

ogajim:
I found out about CEC/Love World Inc. on the pages of NL, I don't think I've seen any of the branches in my travels to Nigeria. I did see their rented buses and their staff equipped with bull horns soliciting for folks to take the "free ride" to "hear pastor Chris", I remarked to my cousin that it won't be long before they throw in free lunch and dinner ( this happened this past February-20 something in case they want to deny it, the place was right in front of Deeper life HQ under construction)

guy