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Atheists:
My girlfriend who goes to a pentocostal church was told by her pastor who also happens to be an ignoramus that dating an atheist is the equivalent of dating satan himself. So she broke up with me

I laugh in swahilli, 2B*@LS<M(!QDSI, aint seen nothing yet. this is what you get when peeps think they can infuse their diseased-thoughts on innocent people, a girl for that matter.

I see, so mr.Napkin atheist has first of all become a she-male ( i didnt say so, the foolish picture said so) lurking for innocent prey to lure into lesbianism. i laugh in zulezu ;';,/$^I!OP!. next time you could add a goats/cows genita.l in there maybe then we will applaud your peak of confusion and self-illusion.

KunleOshob:
Do you know that there was a caveat for including the levites as part beneficiaries of the tithes? The caveat being they were not allowed to own land of their own. i wonder how many of our pastors abide by this caveat today.

Mr.KunleOshod, that caveat ascertion of yours only applied to the Israelite nation who practised the Administrative tithe, while the original tithe(ma'aser) was given to Kings (like King Melchisedek) who were known to own just about everything yet still receive tithes. 

KunleOshob:
The bible is very clear, the reason why levites were allowed to partake of tithes was becos they were not allowed to own property, so any preacher parading himself as a levite today must first of all give up the right to own property before he can ask to partake out of our tithes. Our preachers today are trying to eat their cake and still have it

KunleOshob:
The holy sprit NEVER asked even the children of Israel to pay tithes as biblical tithes directed under the jewish laws was not money but 10% of the produce of the land.

another baseless post, was the Holy Spirit given in the OT?, howbeit, The Bible says, and the Lord said, the tithes of the land. . . ~ should be given to the me. do you want a scripture? baby boy  

Ok lets just say your wrong ascertion of tithe as the produce of the land is correct, so what!, whether it is given of land produce or what ever, what matters is that YOU SHOULD TITHE. PERIOD!

KunleOshob:
hence the apostles never taught it to the early christians]

God have mercy   , so what then happened in Nehemiah 13:12 which said "and all Judah brought their tithe. . . " do you even read he bible at all. did you also say the Apostles never practised it, ok lets see.

Tithing - what did Jesus and Paul say?

>>>Matthew. 23:23  -  "Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your spices — mint, dill and cummin. But you have neglected the more important matters of the law — justice, mercy and faithfulness. You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former.NIV

Recall He(Jesus) didn’t say woe unto tithes, but rather woe unto the teachers of the law and Pharisees. Meaning Jesus criticized the Pharisees and never criticized tithe, because the tithe they gave was done hypocritically. Jesus said, practise mercy, practise justice, practise faith and also do not neglect to pracitise tithe (matt.23:23 -Hebrew-English paraphrased bible). Now some Christian sect believe this scriptures was actually Jesus’ seal against the practice of tithe. Looking critically does the scripture look like tithing was abolished? one should ask this question, if Jesus abolished tithing on the ground of the law, therefore mercy should be seem as a law as well as justice and faith and they all should be noted as abolished, afterall he spoke of these things in that scriptures as he did tithe (that is, as laws).
Today Christians argue that Paul who is noted as the most significant apostle did not preach about tithe, now let us see.

>>>1 Cor.16: 2 –Now concerning the collection for the saints, as I have given order to the churches of Galatia, even so do ye.
2 Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come.KJV

In Hebrew, the term ‘collection’ as used in this passage is same as what Moses taxed the Israelite males above 20years old in the wilderness called the ma’aser terumah (which was the tithing based on contribution for the temple of God which Paul referred to as Jerusalem in his time) and it was given to help the temple building in the wilderness based on how God prospered each individual)–Ex.25:3-9. My candid appeal is for bible students to read the bible with more than a translation/ version so one could have a clearer understanding of terms in the biblos and how they connect the Old and New testaments together. Scholars even discovered that Titus was appointed the office of collecting this contribution even while Paul was in prison (2 Cor.8.). Now would it be wise to say that because KJV, NKJV, NIV and some contemporary anglos-saxons versions of the biblos never explicitly termed the word ‘collection’ as contribution tithe (Ma’aser terumah) meant Paul never practiced tithe same with his followers? I guess not. Maybe this verse will help

>>>Daniel. 9:2 - . . .I Daniel understood by the books[biblos]” which means it took Daniel more than a book[biblo] to understand the sayings of God (prophesy)

mavenbox:
@Biina: The undeniable excellence of the Lord God is upon you. Thanks. Selah.

@KunleOshob: Did the Holy Spirit ask you to stop paying tithes altogether, or did He say you should not pay it to those pastors in monetary form?

By my understanding, spiritual laws are never abolished. They are upgraded if need be, but never demolished. So, what replaces the law of tithes?

Wisdom my sister, wisdom there. bravo!

KunleOshob:
classical example of scriptural manipulation by a fake pastor

Ok, so stand up and challenge it, i dare you! or forever remain silent. i didnt say so, the jury did

Explosive:
@Tonyet. He dat has an ear,
I said only in REVELATION church means a woman, u really dnt know anytin bout Obama, do u? U really havnt seen d pillar of fire and u really think wat my view 2 dis topic is wrong. Wat if am right, i wnt u 2 remember every word i have written here. By d way, u still havnt answrd my question, how many church ages are there. Infact, wat is a church age. U really are a nice debator. Will be waitin 4 your reply.

1. So how does the symbolic woman in relevation concerns the objective woman in Galatians whereever? sorry to say, but you seem too confused. one moment you're saying somethin and the next min. you're off da hook.

2. The only thing i know about OBAMA is that he is the first black president of the United states of America. who symbolically represent the PARADIGM SHIFT of the two nations who struggled in Rebecchar's womb. (different from what you thought right?)

3. Pillar of Fire i see in the night sky, the Pillar of cloud i see in the dawning morn. , and the last time i remembered Pillar of Fire, i was told it followed the Israelites from Egypt thru' the Jordan river. representing God's angelic presence. do you want a scripture?

4. Did you ask me the question about the CHURCH AGE. even a google to Wikipedia.org will answer the question, so why bother.

TV01:
Their is no bone of contention. Tithing is not compulsory, but it is of course permissable.

TV01:
Little more than a cursory grasp of scripture will show that it is not a NT notion and rather pointless as a practise, superseeded as it were by something much more glorious.

did you say it was never a NT notion, whatever happened to Jesus' word in Matt.23:23, whatever happened to Paul's command in 1cor.16:2. hmmmm interesting! maybe a NT proof of yours will do. Pls also remember that even while the early church all inclined towards the edifice of the spiritual man (the liberated man), they also dwelt in man-made assemblies where widows, orphans, deacons, cleargies of all sorts and bishops and their needs were to be administered to.

TV01:
Not sinful, not criminal, but at best lacking true insight. However the way it is sometimes peddled as compulsory with curses for failure to comply certainly is

TV01:
Another twist? Tithing is now a matter of honouring God? Biblical abi

ogajim:
Abraham paid 10% tithe to the king of Salem from the spoils of war and not from his own personal wealth.

ogajim:
You pointed out (rightly) in an earlier post that it was "the custom" of the people then to pay 10% as "sara" or whatever name one might call it, the Levites were required to pay 10% to the Priests of the Temple from the tithes they collected and the rest was used for "administration" and other services that were required to run the "government" then

Now i can truly say my friend is learning fast, Bravo! i love this

ogajim:
and that is in fact where our modern system of banking and government comes from if you study your Bible history very well

Believe me, i couldnt stop clapping for you where i am, Bravo again, u r 2 much!

ogajim:
to the point of it being "corrupted" forcing Jesus Christ to chase them out of the Temple for " turning my Father's house into a den of thieves"

Mr Ogajim what related tithing with selling and buying, tithing means giving 1/10th of your possession while what bible said the fools did in the temple was the selling and buying moneys and doves. pls i stand to correct you, dont misinterprete scriptures.

ogajim:
Abraham's and the Levite tithes are different and unrelated!

Yes, Abraham gave Ma-aser  while the levites gave terumat ma'aser. u r a good learner

ogajim:
Are Christians expected to follow "customs" that have no Scriptural bases?
Did our Lord Jesus Christ follow "customs" while he did his work?
Was there any mention of tithes that were different from produce, livestock, spices, etc?
Did the king of Salem demand tithes from Abraham or was it customary?
Why do "modern" day "pastors have to twist the Scriptures for momentary gains and not trust the faithful to do give freely?

Question 1. Tithe/tithing is a custom that have scriptural bases. Abraham of the scriptures tithed

Question 2. Yes, the least i can remember of the list was that he attended the passover. meaning he adhered to customs. Luke 22:8 - "He said to Peter, go make ready the passover for us, that we may eat" 

Question 3. Yes, Bible said Abraham gave a 10th of all (inclusive of diamonds, golds, silver - all which were the currency used in Abraham's time) , so you see tithing could mean money, again the Ma'aser terumah Apostle Paul ordered was to be given from the income of the corinthians (that again could be money)

Question 4. The King of salem did not order it, it was rather customary, Abraham was a tither even b4 meeting the King, but what made Melchisedek's own different was that now Abraham was giving it to God's representative of which Jesus came from the order of this king (melchisedek)

Question 5. The modern pastors who twist scriptures will be judged for their greed, but that still doesnt make tithe a wrong it afterall.

Good day!

Hi Viaro! long time and compliments of the season.

Explosive:
@Tonye t. Am not kunle or wat is his name. Did u read d passages i gave u. Ok, if obama doesn't tally wit d scriptures, then who is d beast that came 4rm d earth. Every one here said wat their view was, even if any1 is wrong, u shuldnt make it out like an argument. U protray your view agressive like. U[b] hadno rite 2 call me a false christian[/b] . This is my view, i wasnt forcing u 2 blif. U still havnt answerd my question. By d way its pillar of fire not flame of fire- u shuld know dat. In rev, woman means a church. It a book of symbols.

goosh, i think i have just found myself another KunleOshod - peeps who just lift passages and make baseless ascertions, lest u misinform peeps here let me correct your wrong assumption

afiq:
Tithe here, tithe there, tithe tithe everywhere One thing for sure>> NOone can drag me to "tithe wagon churches" LOL

Because the truth is likened unto an oil no matter how one tries hard to dissolve it in water, it just will always float!

ogajim:
I still don't see any example of a "laborer" paying tithes here, tithes were paid from the "produce of the land" and livestock, tent makers were not required to tithe neither were the other "artisans".

No2Atheism:
Are you accussing Tudor of double standards or what . . .how dare you accuse the powerful "White Jesus loving" Tudor of having double standards.

Even a nicer name you gave him, i refer him as the power "mr.napkin atheist" he is so confused !