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ogajim:
Baby tonye-tithe, put a sock in it while the elders discuss


With all tonye-tithe's Greek, Aramaic, Yiddish, Hebrew language skills, he still can't find that JESUS FULFILLED the LAW

ful·fill also ful·fil (fl-fl)
tr.v. ful·filled, ful·fill·ing, ful·fills also ful·fils
1. To bring into actuality; effect: fulfilled their promises.
2. To carry out (an order, for example).
3. To measure up to; satisfy. See Synonyms at perform, satisfy.
4. To bring to an end; complete.

I asked this question in another tithe thread and non of them could provide a simple answer so I ask them again while Tonye is still in Greece: Is a German Christian (who has to pay an average of 9% of his income tax automatically deducted as tithe) still has to pay 10% to a "Church", MOG, Pastor?

No wonder this is the only kind of business that grows in Nigeria apart from politics these days.


God help us all and save each and every one of his Children from these PIMPS, Amen.

Tonye: Jesus came to fulfill the Law of Moses and the prophets

Ogajim: really

Tonye: So you dont know?

Ogajim: i thought the Law of God was the same as the Law of Moses

Tonye: *laffing* you must be a bush man for thinking such

Ogajim: tonye no vex na

Tonye: Ogajim was it ever mentioned any where that tithing was a LAW

Ogajim: eeehmmmm i m thinking, ok but i thought some of my colleagues said, Jesus called it a law

Tonye: Can you show me plainly where Jesus said so?

Ogajim: i think i saw where someone quoted Matt.23:23 - that the pharisees tithed according to the law

Tonye: silly, so did Jesus call Tithing a Law there, or He said they gave tithing according to the provisions of the Mosaic law

Ogajim: Dont they mean the same thing?

Tonye: *laffing my lungs out*

Ogajim: tonye why the laffing now?

Tonye: Becos you are too desperate to defend what you barely even know about, come up and tell us all what you know about tithing and why you feel it is irrelevant. pls with biblical references else you join zikkyy to do the clapping

Ogajim: Ok i'll post when i get something.


Till date we'all are still waiting for this dude to spew some more fallasies. yet forming dumb and claiming distracted.

TV01:
Tithe-Trumper, abeg now. All this your convoluted reasoning and implausible unscriptural assertions dey give person headache. Surely you occupy the space where religionist and bureaucrat merge in perfect synthesis. Bro' Donnie of CE has been usurped!

Re-interprete, re-word, re-assign, or re-ascribe all you like. Speak Greek, Aramaic, Hebrew and assorted languages of antiquity, you will not prevail. Gods truth on Christ Jesus will keep His people free. 1 Corinthians 7:23 - You are bought with a price; be not you the servants of men.

Take their time by making them attend endless "church" functions and attend to "church" business. Fraudulently take their money with bogus applications of tithing and offering scriptures. Take thier allegiance by making them become "members" and submitting to the MOG, Gods people will be freed from the likes of you.

[size=18pt]You've been outed already[/size]. Ioften thought you were at least sincere - if misguided - but your sly attempt to buttress your position by wilfully mis-applying Greek/Aramaic leaves you unclothed - and I hope ashamed. You are not the first to attempt that and for almost the same cause if I recall.

God bless & keep His own
TV

I thought i heard someone say so while the thread was barely 48hrs old. Not you nor your biased folks can stand the truth from God's word.

1. You do not even know the differences between God's law and the Mosaic law. Yet you've spewed over 900 posts already

2. Biased and religious extremist like you type would go any length to label someone name as was did the Christ, some called Him glutton because he ate more, John would not eat they called him demon possessed. yet they barely know nothing to say.

3. Whether you call yourself TV or Radio, i challenge you to come up and tell us all you know about Tithing or else your resume to your babysitting class.

TV01:
3. Was the Law of Moses not given by God to the Israelites? Or did Moses act as lawgiver?

So what would you say of this passage. Mr.Flatron TV

If you cant say anything about this verse, i would say henceforth join Zikkyy!!!

TV01:
Tongue-Twister, ah, ah. You managed to both lie and contradict yourself in the space of one short sentence.

1. The law of God is written in hearts
2. Which written law did God give Adam?
3. Was the Law of Moses not given by God to the Israelites? Or did Moses act as lawgiver?

TV,

you really have a long way to go, did you say the law of God is written in our hearts, hmmm interesting. simply show how pathetic you understand simple terms. i stated it clear what the term LAW is, the best you can do is check your dictionary(s) and post otherwise. i wrote it up there that the LAW could be a written document or rule. i mm sure he didnt even read it there when they seem so desperate yet so dump to butress their points.

aletheia:
Your interpretation of the scripture is faulty. If I may ask Tonye-t: what specific [/b]sin can I commit that will not lead to death?
1. Eze 18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die.
Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death;
2. 1 Jn 5:17 All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death.
Is this an apparent contradiction? I believe not. We should look to the scriptures to reconcile this seemingly different positions rather than speculate.

Look at 1 Jn 5:18, the verse that follows; We know that whosoever is born of God [b]sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.
It's always a dangerous thing to treat verses in isolation and not in context.
Let's look at some other verses:
3. Jas 1:14-15 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed. Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.
So you see all sin leads to death unless one repents and forsakes it.
My opinion is that the sin that leads to death is the one that has not been repented of and forsaken. The key scripture for me:
Heb 10:26-29 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses: Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
Do you see that verse 26 begins with the words "For if we sin willfully. . ."
Also consider:
Heb 6:4-6 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

And lastly
2Co 7:10 For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death.

KunleOshob:
Some people are definitely brain dead on this forum, no point arguing with them.

princekevo:
Well that is in your own opinion. But according to the gospel, the bible said all soul that sinneth shall die.

Zikkyy:
Mr Tonye-t, where you get this info from? Na wa for you!!  This your get rich quick or tithe trying beliefs you are selling will not get you anywhere. There is still time for repentance, i suggest you act fast.

Zikkyy since you've resorted to accusing someone a thief simply because he fails to see it your way means i think u r beginning to run out of ideas and as far as i am concerned you dont have any case here again, you have plainly accepted "that tithing is still relevant which is what the topic / thread is all about" maybe you'll wait until we open another thread tagged SHOULD TITHING BE COMPULSORY OR FREEWILL but until then, i'll apprecaite you stay out in the crowd and clap while goals are scored by the players.  

KunleOshob:
Christians were given a different instruction when it comes to giving. 2 corinthians 9:7 is what christian giving/ offerings is based on. Note that the epistle of corinthians was written to gentiles and not jews.

A different instruction ! hmmmm, interesting i say, Kunle do you really read the bible at all, Men its a pity! *shakes head* must i spoon feed you to every extent.

Kunle, you see why i said when one is too desperate, one can really spew rubbish, Maybe henceforth we all should only read Pauls writtens and leave out the teachings of Jesus that he spoke to the Jews thru' the 4 gospels afterall Paul was the only one who wrote to the gentiles and not Jesus nor Peter. Kunle i weep for you!

KunleOshob:
romans 10:4 makes it crystal clear that christ brought the law to an end.
Hebrews 7: 5-19 was very precise in it's anullment of tithes and it further described it has a weak useless and unprofitable practise

Another lie! what is the diffrence between moses laws and God's laws?

KunleOshob:
Is that not true was he not addressing pharisees who were under the law?(Mtt.23:23) And was it not mint and cumin they were tithing contrary to income crooks preach today.

KunleOshob:
You know very well that matthew 23:23 stated that tithing was part of the law, likewise Hebrew 7:5

Pls i beckon of fellow NLs to judge this grammar without biases, did Jesus call Tithe law here. because in my own little understanding, it means He was rebuking them of religiously giving their TITHE simply according to the provisions of the law, that still doesnt mean TITHING was a LAW. NA WA OH. kunleOshob you really need help .

The law was a written document that simply provided how the ancient custom was to be practised by the nation of Israel. Because the mode of tithing in Abraham's time was different from that of the nation of Israel.

Abraham gave a tenth of ALL, the nation of Israel gave a tenth of their land produce. Meaning if we were to follow the original tithing then we should give tithe of EVERYTHING, but if we were to follow the Israelites mode, then we were to only give Farm produce.

Kunle, Jesus said "they gave TITHE according to the LAW, he did not say "they gave TITHE which was a LAW"

You are too desperate and its so glaring!

Pls lets not handle this topic as if we want to win any warfare lest we might lose out from the essence of learning.

princekevo:
Please sir, how how can you make it to heaven when you have a sin as unforgiveable?

Prince,

Let me start by saying that if we'll be judged by our sins on that day, then no one is guaranteed of making it to heaven. In my opinion i still believe that part of God's parameter for judgement is how we relate to one another, and how much we believe in the Son of Redemption and not the number of sins we committed nor the number of times we asked for forgiveness. For God's ways are not like ours.

Have you ever thought of this? How did the notorious thief on the cross get his way thru' to heaven. Luke 23:43 - "And he said to Jesus, remember me when you goeth to your Kingdom" (Recall he never asked for any such thing as forgiveness neither did he pray the "SINNERS PRAYER".And vs.44, Jesus said "today you'll be with me in paradise" as simple as that.

Its always the customs of humans to judge by what we see, while God searches the deep things of the heart and judges it. The Adultress was caught in the act, to the humans the best way to judge her was to stone her to death (afterall some will say that "the wages of Sin is death", but to Christ, he did the otherwise (He said, i do not condemn you, go and sin no more, for it was if she had sinned willfully again that there would have remained no more sacrifice for sins which was the passage i quoted and you misunderstood).

I think its only right to understand that not all sins we commit will result to eternal death, Read this

Ovamboland:
See below wikipedia's position on tithing practice

there it is, tithing was not a recognised practice in Christianity until AD787 , about 700 years after the last Apostle must have died, sorry all those seeing revelation and receiving word of knowlrdge on the necessity to tithe.

From the bold above many gods have also demanded tithes of the people, what a class to place the God of gods, old habits die hard, no wonder Hebrews 7 described tithing as a useless practice, even pagans do it to their gods

ifyalways:
. . . As long as you repent and confess,NO sin is unforgivable !

Joagbaje:
We are not complaining. . Ask yourself if everyone behave like you, will the gospel ever reach africa?.While some of you are still arguing over Ten percent to God others are giving all for the gospel. I don't give ten percent as tithe , I feel it's too small I give twenty or sometimes thirty percent. The inventor of Caterpiller machines attributed his success to his tithting. He started with 10% and later 20% before he died he was giving 90%! and only kept 10% for him self and this 10% was in billions! .These are men that were involved in sponsoring bibles all over the world. Let the the poor men be busy attacking the churches ,spend your whole day in business centres typing rubish . Campaingning for other poor people. There's no amount of money you give a poor man that will suffice. It is the gospel that will help the poor and THE POOR MUST GIVE TO GET OUT OF POVERTY!. Anybody busy doing something will not have time to criticise those who are busy.

God, this guy was born in Heaven . wonderful!

OLAADEGBU:
Tithing and offering may not be right for those who are perishing to pay or give because the sacrifice of the wicked is an abomination to Him.

Zikkyy:
The issue is not whether tithing can be found in the bible, for me its all about how you interprete and implement that practice for modern christians. I consider it an issue when it is interpreted to serve the purpose of a particular group at the expense of others. What i see is a lot of people accepting this because it aligns with their personal goals. But i think it will be wrong to pretend there is no problem.

dupsygal:
Anyways, from all i ve read in this forum, i will suggest we all do according to our personal convictions, if u are comfortable with tithing, go ahead and tithe, if u are not, don't, until u receive it in your spirit to cos if u give tithes without being convinced or even know the reason y u do it, then i must say u are wasting that income atlst the blessing attached to it (it will just be like a man left in a darkroom and does not knw that he is to look for the door to be free).

Another good piece , interesting!

Zikkyy:
Tonye-t
If your rendering a tenth of your income to your church was with a genuine belief that you are promoting the work of God, you can be blessed for it (cos you were sincere, its the heart that matters), its no different from the man that decide to give his 10% to the window or orphan next door. Both intentions are Godly.

Zikkyy:
Tonye-t
Tithing for christians is based on freewill, its your choice and not a requirement from GOD

Simply proof it with scriptures!

Zikkyy:
Tonye-t
Compulsory tithing is not new testatmental and not for christians.

OK! But atleast tithing is new testamental and for christians right?