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ancel:
@Tonye-T: Maybe you meant well when you posted, but it appears you have been misinformed.

Pressure from working is often my challenge lest i would have made my explanation clearer sooner.

Howbeit Ancel,

Now lets see it this way

1. What did the poster ask? "why call your Pastor 'daddy' And your own Daddy 'popsy'?

My answer:          we call him daddy because he is a Father, but not the same as the Father Jesus warned us not to call people

How do i mean:   

------> In Aramiac, the expressions for earthly father is "ab" meaning - the one who beget another from his

loins, who would this be referred to as? if not our earthly fathers, another aramaic rendering for father also meant "abi" or

"abiy" meaning the one who adopted, just like

adopting someone from being a slave or a rejected.

-------> "Abba" means the Father of fathers, Father of abundance and this qualification was better

suited for God, hence the use for Him alone. Slaves where not to reference their Masters with this name, neither were Immi's their mistresses, with

time this qualifications were used for by

herdsmen to a Husbandman. Again, due to the high reverence men had for their spiritual leaders they began putting up the name "abba" for a

supposed "abiy" which prompted the rebuke by Jesus.

-------> Spiritual leaders are to be reverenced, but as "R- abba" and not Abba, R-abba means a

teacher or spiritual Head or Spiritual Father.

Well this is my opinion sha! :-

ogajim:
Someone mentioned in an earlier post that you guys only seem to pursue only the profitable aspects of the MOSAIC LAW but forgot the laws of Sabbath, burnt offerings, first born, etc. Tonye-tithe, are you still required to worship God in a Temple now? Jesus Christ died to pay our debt in Full, maybe yours as a "pastor" is not totally paid but MINE is

good i caught him red-handed, so Ogajim you mean to tell me that tithing was part of the Mosaic law like the laws of Sabbath and burnt offerings? hmmmmmm ok pls tell us where TITHING was mentioned as a LAW from Genesis to Revelation of the Holy Biblos  Ogajim you are the men , the main men , the very main man . i cut cap for ya ascertions. ^{*laffing in swahilli*}

Tithing – The Law debate

Law could be defined as a decree, principle or ruling guiding a thing/people/standard and most times are documented as a biblos for referencing. Whereas an ordinance is a rite/ritual/spiritual trail. Howbeit the usage of both is for orderliness and objectivity; a law can be put in place to show how a ritual is to be performed. If we go on saying that Law has been abolished how then we have “thou shall not murder”and others still relevant, as well as the Law of Grace, the Law of the spirit of Life, why can’t we go on to say they have all been abolished? After all they are all laws. It is in my opinion that the laws of Moses is what we should know as obsolete (which are the laws of ceareal offering, animal sacrifice, priestly consecration by animal blood) and not the laws of God, for the Laws of the latter are all without errors whilst that of the former was a man’s law which even the scriptures said “…was given because of the hardness of their hearts”- Ps.81:12. Tithe has never been a Law but rather an ordinance, for the Law of Moses only provided how this ordinance was to be administered to a particular nation (Israelites).
when you read the Old Testament, you will find out that God specifically gave LAWS and he made them understand it was a LAW, hence it goes clearly stated

- Ex.12:49 - " The LAW of the 1st born"
- Lev.6:14 - " The LAW of the cereal offering"
- Lev. 6:25- " The LAW of the sin offering"
- Lev.7:7 -   " The LAW of the sacrifice of peace offering"
- Lev.7:37-  " The LAW of the burnt offering"

Law of leprosy disease (Lev.14:57), law of fluid discharge (lev.15:32) and it goes on and on,

never was it mentioned anywhere of the LAW of TITHE/TITHEING as the case may be, rather the very first place you'll come across the word TITHE as regarding the Israelites exodus from Egypt was in Lev.27, reading from verse 1 it goes on like this

-1. And the Lord said,. . . vs. 30: it stated TITHE and on it goes. Even this passage began by telling them how they should give/ administer tithe and not a fresh teaching about tithing. Let me Quote it

Lev 27:30-32
30 And all the tithe of the land, whether of the seed of the land or of the fruit of the tree, is the Lord's; it is holy to the Lord. [1 Cor 9:11; Gal 6:6.] 
31 And if a man wants to redeem any of his tithes, he shall add a fifth to it.   

32 And the entire tithe of the herd or of the flock, whatever passes under the herdsman's staff [by means of which each tenth animal as it passes through a small door is selected and marked], the tenth shall be holy to the Lord (AMP)

Secondly if we can go through the Hebrew translations, one will discover that the tithe the nation of Israel practiced as at this time had the original tithe put (ma’aser) as a prefix or suffix. Meaning the tithe in Moses’ time followed the order of the original ancient tithe hence I call it an administrative tithing and not the origin of tithing per se.

ogajim:
Can Tonye-tithe find an ancient scroll in Greece that answers this? we hope he is not one of those modern day Pharisee since Jesus was addressing the old "guard", na wa for these prosperity PIMPS and their students oooooooo!

Like i dont need any ancient scroll to answer this simple notion, i believe [U] ALL SCRIPTURES BE IT MATT.23:23 OR WHEREVER WAS GIVEN BY THE INSPIRATION OF GOD AND THEY ARE PROFITABLE FOR ONE'S WAY OF LIFE (DOCTRINE) [/U] do you want the passage of this scripture again. ah sef!

ttalks:
Tonye-t, do you seriously need a memory jog?


Consider this below:

In the old days:-

Principal says at the morning assembly - "Students, it has been observed that you come to the exam hall with your pens to write down your answers to the exam questions but you neglect the most important thing which is to prepare hard by studying for the exam.
That is why, despite the fact that you put down answers in your sheets, you end up failing woefully.
You ought to study hard and properly and also to come with your pens to the exam hall in order to write down correct answers and pass your exams."

In the new days(data age):-

Principal says in his email message to every student - "Students, we are now using computers for your examinations now.
The questions are in the systems and all you are required to do is prepare well for the exams, come to the exam hall without any pens or writing materials as all you would be required to do is click on the correct answers with the mouse of your computer."


Now relate the above to matthew 23:23 Mr. Tonye.

Keynotes/Keywords:
Old days - old covenant/old testament
New days/data age - new covenant/new testament
Pen(s) - Tithe(s)
Studying/preparing - Justice,mercy and faith.


That's all I have for you. try to decipher what i'm driving at

bu-ah-ah-ah, Boy is dat what ou could make of that passage, stop your philosophical gimmicks and dry contrasting . tell us in simple terms with biblical passages what you can make of the passage

Matt.23:23 - And Jesus said unto them practise mercy, practise Justice, practise Faithfulness and also do not neglect to practise Tithing (American paraphrased version)

KunleOshob:
Mr olaadegbu, kindly note that what most of us christians who critisize the concept of tithing are actually critisizing is the manipulative way supposed men of God preach it to their congregation. If they told their congregation the truth that it is just a voluntary practise i don't think we would be having this various threads on tithes on this forum. Nobody as spoken against voluntery giving towards the propagation of the gospel be it 10% or 100%.

Good, at least Me and My Brother KunleOshob are now coming to terms. hmmm interesting!

Atleast He believes it is a Practise (though voluntarily according to him) and dat he isnt here to speak against the practise be it 10%. What a fair day!!

ogajim:
The LAW was still in effect until Jesus PAID out DEBT in FULL on the CROSS, get it now?

Get behind me SCAMMERS

B-u-t-ful!!!! Just what i was lurking to hear, so Mr.Ogajim pls tell us which LAW was still in effect, and what DEBT did Jesus PAID in FULL on the CROSS. I m very keen on the LAW.!


Pls i kindly await your response.

milkan05:
OK, I think I would do that,

Joagbaje:
We dont give to God because he has a need. We dont give to Man of God because he is poor. We give to God for our prosperity.

Psalm 50:9-15
I will take no bullock out of thy house, nor he goats out of thy folds. [10] For every beast of the forest is mine, and the cattle upon a thousand hills. [11] I know all the fowls of the mountains: and the wild beasts of the field are mine. [12] If I were hungry, I would not tell thee: for the world is mine, and the fulness thereof. [13] Will I eat the flesh of bulls, or drink the blood of goats? [14] Offer unto God thanksgiving; and pay thy vows unto the most High: [15] And call upon me in the day of trouble: I will deliver thee, and thou shalt glorify me.

Philip. 4:16-19
For even in Thessalonica ye sent once and again unto my necessity. [17] Not because I desire a gift: but I desire fruit that may abound to your account. [18] But I have all, and abound: I am full, having received of Epaphroditus the things which were sent from you, an odour of a sweet smell, a sacrifice acceptable, wellpleasing to God. [19] But my God shall supply all your need according to his riches in glory by Christ Jesus.

Pastor AIO:
Why are you winking at me? For your information I'm not gay

*shakes head in pity* such word from a self acclaimed pastor doesnt denote maturity, like its said " you never know some folks until you meet them" so glad i am knowing who you are as against what i thought you were *i'll sieze to reply you furthermore* m disappointed!

Zikkyy:
Tonye-t prefers the old (archeological) approach of digging for scrolls

ancient scrolls you mean?

JeSoul:
Daddy ehm I mean Pastor AIO,

gracias for the quick research. Tonye what say ye? (maybe I shouldn't have encouraged you to post outside of tithing topics afterall )

Jesoul, three gestures for ya dont worry we are in this tithing thing together or aint we?

Pastor AIO:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ab_(Semitic)

@Tonye-T
Why are you lying?  Who told you that Abba means only heavenly father?  Either you are misinformed or you are a wilful liar and a rogue. 

Now, I am not an aramaic scholar, but luckily we live in an information age and I can easily research things.
I am quite certain that you are not an aramaic scholar either but I don't understand why you will not avail yourself of the technologies available to us all.   Furthermore I also do not understand why you try to pass yourself off as being more knowledgeable about stuff, eg by saying things like "you are a bushman, what do you know".
Are you saying that in an attempt to intimidate him in the hope that he will not then go and research into the lies that you have told here.  What a pathetic gimmick! 
You're trying to pass yourself off as having superior biblical knowledge but in fact you are nothing but a clown.

And Pastor AIO, your eloquent script above has not answered the question so why the ranting at least the best you can do is post you technological reasearch for all to see and learn , and to the yabbies pls be kind to know that i do it so often to KunleOshod i can even quote threads we make fun of each other and they are nothing personal nor straits of boast and arrogance like you are thinking and at least he understands how we relate maybe the reason for his silence and your outburst my brother (nothing personal)

Enigma:
1. Tithing is not a compulsory requirement for a Christian

Enigma:
2. Tithing does not have any greater spiritual significance (or attached blessing) than voluntary 'grace' 'giving'.

2. Permit me to say that you're dead wrong, men how do christians here read there own biblos sef, are you saying the blessings of opening the floodgates of heaven was written by a daft God? or are you saying the blessings Melchisedek poured on the Patriach Father was in vain, for christ sake, its high time we all leave this biase mindset and see the realities of God's blessings from His word alone

Prov 3:
9 - Honor the Lord with your capital and sufficiency [from righteous labors] and with the firstfruits of all your income;
10 - So shall your storage places be filled with plenty, and your vats shall be overflowing with new wine
AMP

For Christ sake The Lord's Honor should not be robbed him, na wa o! NL xtians. Let me save my phalanges from the other points abeg.

KunleOshob:
Tithing was condenmed and anulled in Hebrews 7:5-19, note especially verses 11,12,18& 19. When would you guys stop lying to defend this fraudlent practise? Aside lets even assume it wasn't condenmed, is the type of heretic tithes being collected today the same that was instituited in the bible? As it not been twisted to satisfy the greed of those who preach it

KunleOshod, You are a fake christian for ascerting that tithing was condemned , I have asked you times without number this question - what do you understand by the term "law" and where in the whole bible was it said that[U] TITHING WAS A LAW[/u] and you keep running away each time.

1. Tithing did not begin with the law, it began with Abraham, now i dont care if Abraham gave it once, twice or forever, what i care is that[U] HE (ABRAHAM) GAVE A TENTH OF HIS GAINS TO MELCHISEDEK [/U]

2. Ask me next year, next decade and i'll still say that in the whole of the biblos there was never a place we will find anything as [U] THE LAW OF TITHING[/u] i havent come across it maybe becos i dont read your own biblos.

3. The tithing practised in the mosaic era was not the original tithing, for the original called MA'ASER was a custom in Abraham's time same with Jacob [U]WHERE THE TITHE WAS BROUGHT TO A HIGH PRIEST OR THE PLACE DESIGNED AS GOD'S ALTAR [/U] do you want a scripture for this again?

4. If you're saying tithing was a law thus was abolished by Jesus in Matt.23:23, then lets look at that passsage again, recall he (Jesus) said we should practise faithfulness, we should practise justice, we should practise mercy and also practise tithing, therefore anyone saying tithing is a law should also say the latters are laws too.


KunleOshod or whatever you call yourself

what would you make with this passage

1. "And Jesus said to them - practise mercy, practise justice, practise faithfulness and also do not neglect to practise tithing " (American english paraphrased version