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Op sorry about the failed transactions so touching.
My honest comments are as follows
First Mr Citihood: You present yourself as a dealer or middle man who has the reputation of delivering vehicles to the buyer anywhere in the country once payment is made. That is commendable because many will disappear without making deliveries. Claiming ignorance of the issues in the vehicle you will sell for a commission (sometimes from both the owner and the buyer) especially the kind of problems in that SUV is most unfortunate. Issues like this will always be a recurring decimal as long as it concerns Nigeria used vehicles and so it should not be out of place if you had a carefully spelt out policy from the onset as regards compensatory options for each scenerio.
For instance:
1.you could have a quick exchange where the buyer could take another better vehicle in your custody and you outbalance, then you overtime make some key repairs and re-sale to reflect your expenditure.
2. You can ab initio make a comprehensive list of the faults in the vehicle and a rough estimate of the fixes to be made to the would be buyer. In other words, the buyer will have a better outlook of the real cost of the vehicle. Enough of the buy and drive tags.
3. You can elect to do the fixes with your Mechanics at Kaduna or the buyer will do them by himself. That should reflect on the offer or price tag.
4. Of course, you cannot go to the seller as a middle man 2 months after to say he should refund the money that the buyer doesn't want again. Therefore, you must know the gross architecture of any vehicle you are to serve as a middle man for and be able to communicate the same to would be buyer.
5. Although, you have responded in mature way which seems good enough but not the only good compensatory option. I mean taking the vehicle for re-listing you should have done that much earlier but I think you could have had a better name if you had been more expedient in providing an alternative car for the customer.
Customer satisfaction not necessarily 100% is key to every business. Please learn that and be a businessman with a difference.
Generally speaking: In my teenage years, I lost substantial amount of money from 'over trusting' a chameleon. Sometimes, I imagine what the money could have done for me in some other businesses which I had as option then. Another one followed soon after, In that case the offending guy was so insolvent that I knew that even if he sold himself, wife and children there was no way he could pay back. That incidence actually forced me to take school seriously and forget business or deals. Today, education has made me better.
Even the Bible says you should not trust the woman that lays her head on your chest in the Chambers or put your trust wholly on any man. Before, you part with money for any business investigate/inspect very well, spend a token on that, as much as possible be physically there for the transaction. Resist the urge to pay all, that is, always insists on paying in instalments for deals like this one or online orders. Some will allow pay on delivery at an extra cost borne by the buyer in case the product is to be returned. One major advantage of this is that when deals go awry you may choose to forgo the little part payed and have less headache. It may even be in land or other property purchase, you are safer paying in instalments.
Op: The option of taking another vehicle is a viable one which I think both you and Mr Citihood should consider, the other option of waiting for the car to be sold is okay but impatient people will not like that. The third option which I will take if I am in your shoe will be to allow them repair the vehicle over there since the problems have been identified. There are mechanics that can tear down an engine to the last screw and effect the fixes up to 90%- satisfactory. And for that improvised smaller engine I hope you aren't expecting to get the same feel of that highlander with the 3.5l orginal version.
You bear the cost while Citihood with his Church mind tells us what part of it he will bear not just his time.
Good luck.

MESSAGE TO MINISTERS OF THE GOSPEL -
IF WE ARE DEPENDING ON THIS BABYLONIAN TRANSACTIONS GOING ON ON OUR PULPITS TODAY, IT MEANS THAT BEFORE OUR EYES , WE WILL LOSE AFRICA TO ISLAM IN OUR TIME...
In one of the Assemblies of God churches, in Aba District, where my late dad pastored in the 1980s, I remember when a young man came very early in the morning and told my father:
"Pastor, what did I do to you? Why do you hate me so much? I have been born again for almost 1 year and I have won many people to Christ, but why have you not recommended me to join others to go for missions work in the northern States of the country... "
His singlet was torn... And with his zeal, he was crying profusely...
My father did not know what to say...
The young man kept crying:" Pastor, why are you doing this to me... Why are you doing this to me? "
My father told him: "Nna, I know very well that you want to serve God... But you are the only son of your mother and your father is late... If anything happens to you, who will look after your mother and younger ones?...
The boy started crying the more...
"Pastor, I am the only son and yet I was an arm robber... I am the only son, yet, I was attending meetings in the midnight with native doctors, where many of friends could not wake up alive after diabolically fortifying ourselves against police bullets... "
" Pastor, what would have happened to my mother if I had died in one of those armed robbery attacks? Who would have taken care of her? If I risked my life when I was serving Satan, why will I not risk it now that I am serving Jesus Christ? "
My father was speechless for almost 30minutes... And it was not long, we saw tears rolling down his eyes...
He held the young man and both of them were crying together...
How can I forget such scenes that God allowed to play out before my eyes? ...
My father recommended him to join some missionaries that came in the area for missions work...
The day he was leaving with them, the mother and his younger ones were crying... Knowing that they might not see him again, both live or dead... But I can still remember that excitement on his face...
Lord, how can I forget?
Brother, let us go to our Bible schools and listen to the conversation of those young men and women who have joined ministry and you will know that many of them have no single passion for the lost...
They are just getting ready to rent halls in the city where they will be rolling out posters and handbills, laying greedy hands on people, collecting offering and tithe...
That's all in their hearts...
Congratulations for your big auditorium...
I am happy for your 10th time services...
But if heaven cannot find such men in your church,...
Young men and women who will say: "Lets go to that village and tell them that Jesus is no more in the grave... Even If we don't have to come back alive... Let it be so..."
If you don't have such calibre of members among your congregation, then, sir, with due respect, it's a big shame! .. This end time agenda has no need of you and your kind!
A Muslim suicide bomber doesn't need tithe and offering to carry out a bloody assignment, in defence of a powerless prophet Mohammed ...
They don't need adverts or media stunts..
But here, we have young men who are in the pulpit, being driven by tithe, offering and honorarium.... If there is no 5star hotel reservation, they will not honour the invitation to preach ...
And yet, they are General Overseers...
Overseeing passionless men and women who are like them...
Where as, their mates in Islam has burnt their school certificates, refused juicy contracts, abandoned wonderful jobs and everyday they are sleeping in the bush and starving for months, receiving trainings, how to carry out terrorist attacks, all in defence of Mohammed...
And we are here looking for churches where they will use convoy to come and pick us up from the airport...
And you wonder why people feel like vomiting when they hear them calling you a voice in the land...
A voice because you gather people every Sunday, threatening them with their dead relatives... Turning them against their parents and everybody around them becomes a witch suspect...
Is that what made you a voice?
A voice because you went to a program and stole committed members from your host church and you came back and gave them positions in the choir, sowing different uniforms for them every Sunday...
None of them can quote any scripture...
They have not gone for evangelism for any day, after many years of following you...
All of them were members you stole and now you are using juju to keep them from running away...
And they are calling you a voice in the land! ... What a ridicule! What a noise!
Brother, if this is the generation that will usher in a move of God in our days, then, those who have not forgotten what they saw in the church in the 80s and 90s must not keep quiet in a time like this...
The greatest hindrance of revival in our time is not Islam...
The pulpit in our time is the greatest enemy of the expected move of God in our days...
If not for the decline of truth on the pulpits in our time, long ago, we would have seen what we saw in the days of our fathers...
And now we are blaming Muslim fanatics, who are defending with their lives what they believe in...
When else are we going to see young men from our churches, after hearing our messages, getting so angry in the spirit that they make up their minds to convert 10 Muslims to Christianity every month month?
And the next place you will see them will be in camps or mountains, preparing, praying for Power?
But how can we hear such when the only thing we teach them is about how to be rich and how to suspect detect enemies?
I am tired of hearing testimonies of miracle jobs some of our ladies slept with company directors to get...
I am tired of seeing car dedications my brothers used fraudulent businesses to buy...
When are we going to start dedicating converted souls on our Sunday mornings?
Lord, where are all the men that saw what we saw in the days of our fathers?
This is not the time to keep quiet...
This is not the time to care about who likes or hates you...
If there is a time to beg for pulpit, soldier, it is not in a time like this!
No pulpit hosted John the Baptist...
They preached against him... That He was old fashioned... And that he was envying them who were running 10 times services...
That because he doesn't get any like or comment on his Facebook wall, that he is jealous of them that have huge online followership...
That because he is not anointed and that is why nobody was hosting him in their churches...
But brother, when his time came and he began to roar from the wilderness, those demonic General Overseers who were using marine powers to run ministry knew that indeed, in every generation, God has a breed He is preparing ...
Yes, they knew that "there was a man sent from God"...
Man of God, if you were sent from God, why are you allowing yourself to be influenced by men who were 'sent from Bible schools' ?
Some of the men you are competing with in ministry were 'sent from demonic covens in some parts of Africa' ... If we came from God, let us look more for God... He will soon show up...
You are almost getting to the time when members of many 'mega' churches will be secretly and openly coming to you, to hear this gospel from your mouth... Because they would have gotten tired of fake testimonies that leaves them powerless and very vulnerable...
Men who have not bowed to baal are very few in our days...
Men who have not sold out their souls for mammon are rare to find now that we are here...
God depends on you for this end time work... Why are you bothered because someone somewhere is calling you names online? ...
Churches are everywhere around us, yet, there is a spiritual famine in Africa...
The power of the gospel is suffering bankruptcy in our time...
This is not the same gospel the apostles preached...
Something has happened to the Word of God in our mouths...
We are only showing the form of godliness, but hell has hijacked the power thereof...
And in our carnality, we are celebrating strange Fires...
Polluted Fire!
Moribund Fire!
But brother, I know that God will never leave Africa this way!
If the pulpit has failed, then,, He will bypass us and go down to the pews...
And raise people for Himself...
If our pews have become so frozen, He will go outside... He will look for drunkards and prostitutes....
He will get hold of witches and wizards...
And those arm robbers on the highways,
He will Clean them up and fill them up with Himself and use them mightily in this end time...
Yes, if those who came out from Bible schools are now using their certificates to raise only funds, God will bypass them and use those who has not gone to Bible schools...
This is the most critical time since the world began...
Islam is preparing to take over nations,...
They are putting funds together which they will use to buy churches and pay their staff off...
Brother, in few years from now, if there is no genuine revival, many of our members today would have become Muslims...
You will see many pastors who will convert their churches into mosques, for a huge financial reward...
That time is not far...
Has it not even started?
When a pastor is collecting powers to grow his church from a Muslim native doctor, is that not handing over the Fire to the children of the bond woman?
The days we are in is terrible...
God knows and that is why He is raising an army that will stand to defend the gospel that was handed over to us, even if they have to lose everything for it...
That young man came back from the missions field, after a year, and later joined the Bible school... Became a pastor and God used him to win communities for Jesus...
Before my eyes, I saw God using him to sack evil spirits out from villages...
His name became a terror in that area, to the point that deities began to complain about how his presence in the community had rendered them powerless... Halaluya !
Those are the kind of testimonies we were hearing everyday in the days of our fathers that we want to be hearing again in our time... But alas, here is Ichabod !
Imagine if every church in every community can boast of 10 of such members!
Imagine when many of our followers would have gotten broken enough, by God, that they don't mind what they lose again for God's sake...
Terrorists will no more be bombing our churches.. Because they would have known that already our churches are filled with people who are ready to die, anytime for the gospel ...
You don't have to waste your bomb on a man who is already dead!
But, why they will keep threatening to kill us is because they know that we love our cars and landed properties more than the CHRIST we say that died for us...
Prophet Mohammed was not killed on the Cross shamefully, yet, they can die for him publicly... What would have happened if their prophet Mohammed was crucified on the cross?
But where are the men and women who claims that Jesus died for them?
Oh Sister, it is time to take our Christian life to another level....
It is time to get 'fanatical' about this Kingdom thing...
Enough of the prayer topics of: "God give me this and do that for me!"
This weekend, take your friends to the next Street and preach the gospel... Next week, continue with it...
Why are we ashamed to tell people about the Man that conquered the grave?
Why can't we preach about the man that created the heaven and the earth?...
Mohammed did not do any single miracle, but his followers are dying for him...
He did not raise anybody from the dead...
He died and that was his end...
Yet, they can give everything to spread his belief...
How can we be ashamed of Jesus that spoke to the storm and their was peace?
He opened the blind eyes...
He interrupted funerals and raised the dead back to life...
Is He not enough to tell people about?
Did He not do enough to make you let everybody that knows you know that you are not ashamed of the gospel?
When will you be done with hiding from your friends when you want to speak in tongues, so that they will not laugh at you?
Brother, why are you ashamed of identifying with the Man who is the hope of the whole world?
As for me, I am done with religion, till I die..
I cannot stand Christianity by church sticker alone any more ... Jesus did not die for you to only be attending choir rehearsals and changing uniforms every Sunday....
I hope God is not looking at you from heaven now and regretting why He did not let those people that died of accident to replace you since you are useless to Him on earth...
Many in the hospital now, with few days to live are begging and crying, if God can give them a little more time, that they will preach this gospel under the rain and sun... And they mean it...
Brother, you that is healthy, what will God be saying about you when He sees that they are begging you to go to church?
The time is early enough to ask God for mercy and for Him to revive His walk in your life. ..
God is looking for people that will risk their lives for Him in our time...
Let it not be that He is preparing someone who is at the point of death in the hospital bed to come and replace you....
This is scary... But it is a serious matter!
Have you not played so much with the opportunities God has given you?
How much longer do we have to be in sin for grace to abound?
The Holy Spirit is speaking to you now...
He is reminding you of your distance from God...
Imagine if you had died in your sins yesterday morning...
You would have gone to hell, and stay there, from now till the next 2billion years... And yet, that will be just the beginning...
Sister, don't be locked out of grace further... Don't postpone any longer the hour of your salvation...Right now, hearken to the voice of mercy ...
And where you are sitting is good enough to kneel down and ask God for a revival ... I am very sure that He will clean you up and give you a new....
Lord, let there be revival of true soul winning and genuine christian living In Jesus Mighty Name.

peacesamuel94:
You are so quick to subject people to scrutiny or criticism as
you call it, but the the truth is, if you are subjected to the same test, you will discover that you are no better than those you criticize, if you think Oyedepo deserves proper scrutiny, then Let God be the one to do that, you are not the judge, you should be more concerned about your Own salvation(which is personal), instead of desperately trying to magnify or point out the sins of another man, when you are not
perfect yourself.

Child, you are repeating yourself. I think I have addressed this. What you wrote that I just quoted is also a scrutiny and criticism of my position on the activities of your Bishop. And from all indications, you are a victim of the psychic manipulations of false preachers who are afraid of being exposed and would rather prefer that all remain silent while they continued in their unwholesome arts
Tell your pastor that as long as he is involved in unfruitful works of darkness he will be scrutinized, exposed and criticized by men while judgement(biblical meaning) like I described will be done by God. A fake Pastor or Bishop can also be judged (circular meaning) and sentenced according to the laws of the land when he is caught red handed in crime like Bishop Rev King Ezeugo. All misrepresentation of touch not my anointed will be correctly ignored and the ill-gotten wealth( extorted from sheeples) will not find a channel through his defence team to the Adamant Judge.

peacesamuel94:
funny, everyone thinks himself holy, so Oyedepo's doctrines are at variance with the teachings of Christ, yet He has lead more souls to Christ than you can and will ever think of.
I'm sure you know that judging another man is also at variance with Christ's teachings.

I have heard these lines before and it has no effect whatsoever on me. And if I may ask which Christ is he leading the souls to? As far as I am concerned the Bishop has shown more in recent times that his personalized god of Shiloh is definitely different from God Almighty whose only mediator for man is Jesus Christ.
I don't care what you think about the Bishop as long he continues with his method which I have summarized above, he propagates alternative doctrines and his god of shiloh is one in many of such gods
Judgement in the Biblical meaning of it belongs to God. It involves condemning a soul to Hell which I have never done.
What you call judgement here is simply a phrase false prophets had invented to guard themselves against scrutiny via the provisions of the scripture. It is similar to the misrepresented 'touch not my anointed'. The exposition of the unfruitful works of darkness is Biblical and will continue as long as false Christs and alternative gospels abound.
Exposition, scrutiny, criticism and warnings about something is done by all men, is not judgement correct yourself if you please.

ScienceWatch:
I have spoken to many disciples of Christ from a few different religions, including Muslims about the Holy Scoan Church Nigeria and about the unrivaled supernatural powers of healing and deliverance and inspiring charity possessed by this man.

When these people were shown Biblical scriptures that show the method Jesus and His disciples/pastors used to bring about salvation, they readily agreed that the Holy Prophet TB Joshua is doing what is written in the Holy Scriptures.

Below are overpowering evidence of how a fake disciple/pastor can be recognized from a genuine pastor ;

Joh 5:20 "For the true God loves the Son, and shows Him all miracles that He does: and He will show me greater miracles/WORKS than these, so that you may be amazed and believe." There we have it ! Believing is salvation. The miracles are evidence of Jesus and all true Pastors connection with God. This is the way no pastor can fake his/her way onto the pulpit.

Only the WORKS bear witness of a real pastor/disciple, not their elaborate speeches, conferences and motivational speeches.
Joh 14:12 Truly, Truly, I say to you, He that believes me, the miracles/ WORKS that I do will you also do; and greater (more) miracles/WORKS than these shall you do; because I must soon go unto my Father.

Joh 5:36 But I have greater witness than that of John: for the miracles/ WORKS which the Father has given me to finish, the same miracles/ WORKS that I do, bear witness for me, that the Father hath sent me.

Joh 17:18 What I was sent into the world to do, I also sent them into the world to do the same.

The wisdom of God is evident in this divine setup. He knew that evil people will use Jesus name for personal gain and perpetuate the suffering of innocent believers.

Do you have any independent life of your own at all?
The man who did this thing to you is a wicked man. Let me assume you were employed to market this Holy Prophet TB Joshua and Holy Synagogue, can't you resign?

Amadaz:
In as much as I'm a catholic, i strongly condemn the activities of most of our priests. From opening their own chuches in the name of adoration ground to living an afluent lifestyle, i know they're far from God

They aren't far from their gods. This was the reason I could easily identify with the Charismatics placed side by side with the Adoration/Apparition groups. They show restraints and the discipline required to lead an exemplary life.
Tell me if it were a soldier on uniform that was riding that bike would Fr Obimma had slapped him regardless of who is at fault.

Nutase:
Abeg who is he. I've never heard that name

A mystical studies graduate proprietor of Adoration Ministry Ukeh where over 70 souls were sacrificed(killed by strange 'fire' and ensuing Stampede) to the mystical god of Adoration during the 2014 electioneering campaigns. The territorial big masquerade of Ukeh with many coming around to watch him perform on stage. It is always a beehive of activities on the performance days and many uniformed Catholic faithfuls in that part of Anambra believe he holds the key to their liberation and blessings once he raised the crucifix. A little token (offering) will help the spirits do their jobs for the miracle seekers.
Op thread carefully for the goons (men servants) I see there look dangerous. Make a police report and don't always be in hurry while riding your bike. Don't be afraid of any mystical projections to murder you by accidents.

C.c mods this should be in the FP in the spirit of fairness to his brother Bishop Oyedepo who has graced the front page on slapping business.

Mandu11:
"for i desire steadfast love not sacrifice,i rather have people understand me than burn offerings to me.-hosea 6 vs 6
"shall i bring before him(God) burnt offerings of calves.Is the lord pleased if i bring him thousand of rams or endless streams of olive oil.Shall i offer him ma firstborn child for ma sins?No,the lord has told us that he requires this from us:to do justice,and to love kindness and to have humble relationship in God.-micah 6 vs 6-8
I desire kindness not sacrifice (mt 12 vs 7)

Don't mind the shiloh boy and their obsession with lord of money. I have told some of them that it is Idolatry enticingly crude form of it

jinxet2000:
Some people are born with poor background. The only way out of it is to make a sacrificial offering that will turnaround everything about you and your finance will change for you and your generation.
If I were the man, it will pain me but I know it is for the good of the home if she gave from her heart.
When I gave, I cried inside of me because it wasn't an easy decision. But at the end was a bounty harvest. Just as Bible says those that sow in tears shall reap in joy.

This your assertion is not from Jesus of Nazareth, not from St. Peter not from St. Paul. Not surprised it is from god of Shiloh and his worshipers.
To make the miracle sweeter you didn't tell us that GE and the multinational Coy employed you without without you having a degree just because you made a sacrificial seed of your Suv to Bishop Oyedepo.
Let me save the long sermon. Anybody can be blessed and get a job at GE, Oil Coy without giving a dime to Oyedepo so remove that your Only and next time find a suitable Christian- scripture to support your Only Sacrifice to god of shiloh, generational change, poor background, curses, threats and other alternative doctrines to salvation and once sacrifice of Christ on the Cross.

bezimo:
I live in one of the so called foreign Nation, you might possibly be referring to, when you tithe or give offerings to God in the church. it is recorded to promote accountability as required by the government, and it is assumed by the government to be used for charity purpose which may include church related ventures and government gives returns during tax filings, it doesn't change the fact that God received the tithe and is blessing me in return.

Greetings Bishop David Oyedepo Jnr, I learnt you are in charge in the UK branch. Please, don't be like your Father, remember the story to your tent oh Isreal.

We have not heard the last of Bishop Oyedepo his teachings, threats, curses and his god of Shiloh. Since the days of Jesus and his Apostles, there has never been a time God called any man to go and preach money, to go and make God's people 'rich' through the methods made popular by Archbishop Oyedepo and friends. Where did the Bishop get these things from and has he always been like this?
As days go by I'm becoming more convinced that Oyedepo is the lord of Nigeria's Shiloh himself, the only surviving descendant of Levi in Nigeria who unlike the Jewish Levite priests engage in businesses for profit. Any Levite serving as Priest under the Law does not own/run 'real estate' businesses.
I suspect he may have had an encounter at some point with alternative gods by the sea side and a covenant with it to make people worship such gods as Money, prosperity, lies (Only tithe payers are qualified for blessings, ability to punish people with mouth odour, opening of gates of Hell, first fruit is January 'firstsalary of the year' salary) and Papa, a very popular god these days.


I implore Christians to guard against false teachers who will abound in this endtime Watch out for those who will sell water - bottled Jesus, lion of Judah perfumed oil, prayers, Papa blessings, covenants, protection mantle, holy spirit apples. Watch out for money doublers who will task you to sow a seed of money to Papa to mediate for you. Flee Idolatry !!! no matter the power it displays.

musicwriter:
Do you know any other pastor better than him? If yes, who? How? how is he better than TB Joshua?

Some pastors are actually Scandal free you don't get to hear their names or associate them with gods of the land and territorys.
Most of the other PFN Pastors that ever called him a devil also have personalized gods like the prophet except that god of TB Joshua tend to have more powers and stuffs to demonstrate than the gods of the others. Believe me that will birth Jealousy. In terms of giving, TB Joshua and his god has set a bar. Did you hear when the god of Shiloh warned the poor in his midst to look for alternative Universities and stopped expressing displeasure over the tuition fees in his Covenant Schools or else get mouth odour?

Omudia11:
Did that and he has most of the attributes of Christ.

T B Joshua will be very pleased with your comparison except that he knows that you're lying when you used most attributes.

LaExpert:
Oyedepo cannot lay claim of ownership to covenant university or Living Faith Church, though he's the founder...he's only in charge for now.
There's nothing wrong with a church owning a jet for the office of the G.O or owning schools.

Although, I said I will not converse with you again but your ignorance is on the high side or could it be that your delusion has made you think that you own Winners Inc with Bishop?
He doesn't have to lay claim of ownership because it is his already. They all belong to him and he doesn't have any partners or contenders to the throne and conglomerate he established.
You do not own it with him. Bishop David Oyedepo Jnr takes over at the retirement of his Father. Listen and listen good Mr Man, no stranger will be allowed to take over the signatory to the bank accounts and other key management of the conglomerate.

kingsman66:
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Use a better browser Firefox if you're using a mobile device.

Op, endeavor to add picture to authenticate your story

ring7:
Bad Omen ,bird dieing in your presence is even bad

Let me help you
Oh ye Sons of the Prophet and worshippers of the gods of pseudo Christianity. The main stock in trade of pseudo Christianity is breeding fear where there is none and ripping off people who have been conditioned to fear.
E. g.
1. You hear things like the reason why you are not rich is that you have not emptied your bank account to the god of Papa
2. You are sick because a witch, your grandmother wants you dead
3. You are destitute because you spoke out against the evils of Prophet Iron Fire such as sleeping with choir girls
4. Your son died because you live at no 16 Bola Shegey Road Ikeja and in the realm of the spirit your phone number is 0806499419x
You must sow a good seed to the life of Prophet to mediate for you before God.

nero2face:
though I don't really bliv in all these diabolic stuffs, I strongly advice u not to taste de said stew...u also need some spiritual advice...de smallest thing we neglect may be out to hurt us...may God continue to protect you

Really!

kingsman66:
my fellow NLDERS I don't know whether this is
natural or bad omen. I was preparing my delicious
stews this evening and sudden a brown bird just
fall in my pot.
pls I need advice from you guys, don't know what
next to do.....
lala pls....
pix below...........

If you are a Christian you don't have to allow superstitions rule your life. Remove the Bird and Boil the stew well to kill any germ that the bird may have carried along. Eat your food with thanksgiving.
Do not contemplate going to any medium.
Do not visit the many gods of the land such as god of Shiloh, god of prophet Jerry, god of Apostle Strongman Fire, god of Prophet Weeks, god of Prophet Dr Success Prosper, Amadioha, Indian Temple and do not dash your money to any of the gods on account of this.
I repeat, do not visit any gods of the Land

bezimo:
difference even among Christians (quoting Papa) So don't compare his testimon
The testimony you mock can NEVER happen to you.Be careful.

Hello Bishop David Oyedepo Jnr I have noticed you speak so much like your Father(Papa) going through all your posts
Is this how you are going to rule Winners Chapel Inc when it will be eventually handed over to you? Cursing and threatening people who do not believe in the god of Oyedepo your father. From the abundance of your heart and the ensuing utterances you're gonna shoot somebody on the altar some day, slapping a witch will be a child's play.
Repent and Flee Idolatry!

She is right. If that is the only fault she finds with you, then it is a simple matter and you can make that sacrifice to please her. So from today consciously show more commitment to activities in your local church, prayers and the others. While you do that, tell her to beware of some pastors who give advice that are self-serving, that prolong singlehood among eligible people and destroy homes with those tags of if he isn't our member he isn't a born again. Try her Church and Compare with your Cele who knows it might bring out the commitment she desired from you.
We are not yet mature like the West where two individuals with opposing faiths can live peacefully as husband and wife.
I will explain later in the afternoon

simplex2:
Shey God of oyedepo rescued his servant's car and left those of adeboye. The day God of adeboye go see oyedepo's children in danger, he will abandon them and rescue only his children.
I am sure God of chosen is taken note, his own turn go bad ghan!

Na dem way

It is better called gods because they are many and different from one another. Their modus operandi is also different as one hops from one god of A to another god of B in search of miracle wristbands, stickers, vests, water, handkerchief and so on. Nigeria followers of men of god will easily tell you why the god of his Bishop, Papa and Daddy is better than the god of Chosen


Any prophet that hangs on to the god of prophet much like saying God of Elijah is most likely giving credence to an impostor god. After Jesus had come the approach to things is a marked departure from the revelations that Elijah and all the old testament prophets operated with. Therefore, the god of prophet Wise Success, god of prophet Elijah Prosperity and god of Apostle Danger Omo Imasuen demanding for eggs, honey, salt, special oil, sacrificial seed of cow or its money equivalent is unlikely to be the God that Jesus called Father.

Who did this to Nigerians that even grow ups reason like Kids?
Assuming this same vehicle passed through flooded road while Emeka's vehicle switched off right at the center of the flood, a man whose reasoning has been reduced as that of the man from Shiloh will still say it is the sticker of god of Shiloh on his windscreen that pulled the vehicle through the flood. I know the same kid of a man will have an explanation when told that one of the burnt vehicles belong to another man who also returned from shiloh or about 3 Winners pastors who had accidents few years ago on their way to or from a program at Canaan. One died, the surviving Pastors were dismissed from pastoral duties on account of incapacitation, they pursued a case for their compensation in court but lost to the superior legal team of Winners Inc.
People should please flee Idolatry in any form it might present. The Bible describes God as one who is good to both the 'sinner' and righteous. Good things and bad things can come to anybody whether you believe in the Almighty God, god of T. B. Joshua, god of shiloh, god of prophet Jeremiah, god of Ibiyeomie, god of Apostle fireman, god of Alfiz, god of Indian Temple, god of Lodge, god of Adoration, Amadioha, Sango or not. [The Book of Job] Now, the prayers we offer to God are answered the way He determines and also a great number of events happen on earth by chance.

The mind control that false prophets littered all over Nigeria use to cage their followers and rake in more prisoners: you come to testify to the glory of god of prophet, to the image of our prophet and the seed money. But harms way they encounter like any other human are better not said or rather denied because it will damage the image of prophet and his god.

LaExpert:
I did not assume the jets belong to the ministry, it is obvious it does.
The worth of the jets is greater than the net worth of Myles Munroe. It is that simple. I cannot claim what is not simply because I want to criticise someone.
Sadly, you never bother to know how these shrewd 'businessmen' started their businesses neither do you criticise the 'businessmen' that are still 'poor'...or are the poor pastors the ones doing the work of God?

WhatWho is the Ministry?
You know the truth but you are blowing grammer the type used to deceive people in the places of Man Worship. It belongs to the Ministry(our Church) is used when somebody is about to be taxed while
it was founded and built by Papa is used when the taxed behaves in a way that suggests that he thinks he has a stake in the project. That's when it is usual to hear things like how much is your offering and tithe self that makes you think this Estate is built with it.

I have observed you have not provided any Bible passage to support your stand and you have not in all posts defended that these Churches are the kind that the Apostles instituted.
The reason is simple it is the doctrine of men for personal gains and has no root in the Word of God.
Therefore, I will not converse further with you on this but I hope for your own good you realize on time that you are involved in the worship of man of god which is a form Idolatry.

LaExpert:
Try to be objective...these 'pastors' cannot force anyone to give, they can only persuade you.

I am as Objective and diplomatic as anyone could be.
You're ignorant of so many things happening today in many places of man worship. People are forced to give by way of stiff unwarranted levies, people are coerced to pay certain amounts for unspecified things, men and women are told to pay up otherwise they are not recognized as members much like what obtains in unions. Is that the Church that Jesus died for?
Please, I will respond to reasonable submissions if you come up with any. You darting questions gives me no joy because I see the enslavement of men who have resorted to the worship of fellow men all over.

LaExpert:
The above is only your assumption. You can't prove it, if you think you can...go ahead.

From the point you started queries on who now owns the jets I already knew where you were headed. So I decided to answer before your next move if you'd read carefully.
You have assumed that the Jets belong to the Ministry. There is nothing like us- the ministry among shrewd businessmen who own Churches. In Such Churches, there is also nothing like us, the trustees in most cases are Father(Bishop), wife and Children maybe a very loyal boy. Men and women who labour in the branches as managers may be given a little recognition and crumbs from the Bishop's table. The rest of you are on your own as you have no claim to anything whatsoever as belonging to us as in Church.


Wake up my friend.
This was not the structure of the early Church.
What we have today is family businesses of men who claim to worship God on one hand and the population of Christianity who form the market (membership) they are competing for. It is a cruel form of it, because of the stiff competition, the big players muscle away the smaller ones harvesting as much membership as they could get.
It is about worship of a man figure who claims to worship God. It is a form of worship that brings in another mediator between man and God. If you like 2 more mediators before Jesus. One is money the other is man of god. This model of Christianity only got foothold in Nigeria in the late 70's and 80's because real men of God who could speak out allowed themselves to be intimadated by the anomalies. 1990's saw the corruption of some others and the spread of the craze (the famous if you can't beat them join them)
It is good that men are beginning to wake up to see the Man on the White horse of Revelations 6
Revelation 6:2 And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer.
It is a movement of false Christianity already sweeping through the entire Christian space but glory to God it had no arrow for the elects sake.

Topgainer:
You mean the crashed one. The metallic components will be taken to scrap yard on conclusion of investigations.
I don't think the son will be foolish enough to refurbish it. For now, he may continue the Kingdom principles of his late parents in a modest way.
Again if the surviving son will turn to the Bible for advice, the Bible will tell him to sell the remaining jets and give the money to the poor then follow Jesus (the missionaries) to Somalia and North Sudan that is where gospel is preached. Business Seminars and Executive Christian Kingdom Principles summit are no gospel

LaExpert:
You addressed only the crashed one which is now more PR less 'useless.'
Who now owns the other three jets?
If you do not know, feel free to say you do not.
You are only assuming what you think should be.

The inheritance of the Estate automatically goes to the son. Nobody is called Church most of such establishments have trustees it is not like orthodox Churches and don't dare you as a member think you have any claim to the jets or a room in the Estate.
If you doubt the truth I just revealed to you. E-mail your jet flying Church Bishop, tell him you are tithe card carrying member of the ministry, that you need one of the jets for an important soul winning business in Sao Paulo. You will definitely find out your place and who the luxury fits.

They're not pretending. There is power involved which doesn't have to be 'God activated' some people learn the art just like the art of hypnosis. Many lecturer in metaphical studies have special interest in those abilities and they don't believe in Jesus. Traditional - oriental exorcists perform that act successfully in much the same way as the video depicts without involving Jesus or giving it a Christian outlook.
A native doctor (Wizard) in a town few kilometers away from my hometown has the reputation of invoking some spirits into anybody while he interviews the spirit upon certain inquiries like missing persons, items, strange events and family problems with ancestral origin.
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Ranchhoddas:
I actually find it disgusting.

I find those pictures highly disturbing because it promotes and dignifies demons, breeds fears on the onlookers, although some may find it entertaining occasionally laughing at the performances. The 'powerful' leaves the stage as a superstar at the end and in most cases the habit returns worse than before.
I ask myself is this really what Peter and Paul practiced, spend a whole day week - in week - out dramatizing demons.

Joagbaje:
So will you dishonour your parents because we are u der grace
Ok what explanation can you give to the scripture below.
Ephesians 6:2
Honour thy father and mother; (which is the first commandment with promise
Exodus 20:12
Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the Lord thy God giveth thee.

Clever but still does not justify making Tithe a law for Christians. For the records, it was introduced in late 19th century by the American Pentecostal movements many of whom died suddenly leaving behind the Estates they have so covetously acquired. Some of them it was latter revealed were given to licentious living and drunks

We have dealt with this issue before now but I know it will be difficult for Pastors who think it will reduce the income to brace up with the truth about Tithe and laws.
Surprisingly, some Churches that do not emphasize or legalize tithes have their needs met by members as it arises, people give willingly as much as 100% of their pay. Whereas, the prophets whose barns are filled with millions and billions in tithe harvest keep demanding for seeds, partnership, gifts, project support like a grave that is never satiated with dead bodies. Have you heard some of them preaching? It is a whole package of arrogance.
All laws were nullified the only law for a Christian is the law of the spirit of life in Christ Jesus not laws and burdens created by pastors. Jer 31:31-34 gave a forecast of the times and the possibility of the Spirit of God teaching and directing individuals on the things to do.
Jeremiah 31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
Honour of father and mother comes natural as the spirit of life enables one and directs, giving to the work of God comes natural as one is led to give, it is not bound by any law that says it must be 10% in fact, the early church practiced communal system. People gave 100% which was shared among all including the donor. No mention of the Apostles carrying over a command of 10% from the Jewish custom. The choice of giving 10% is personal choice and never a law for Christians. And it should not be called Tithe. Tithe as practiced by the Jews of then involved a lot more including a 7th year of Jubilee in which no tithe is taken by the Levites. Pastor if you are honest with yourself like I am with myself, you should know that we are not Levites. As a matter of fact all believers are Priests and Kings unto God, no separate stool for anyone to be King while others are slaves. It is simply a meeting of Brothers and Sisters.
Except you have a quotation that escaped my search.
The Apostles only modified 4 customs for the Gentiles which you are, everyother thing is left for discretion and the Spirits leading. QED.

LaExpert:
He had four!

addressed above

LaExpert:
Now that Myles and his Wife are late, who owns the jets now?
Do you have an answer?

You mean the crashed one. The metallic components will be taken to scrap yard on conclusion of investigations.
I don't think the son will be foolish enough to refurbish it. For now, he may continue the Kingdom principles of his late parents in a modest way.
Again if the surviving son will turn to the Bible for advice, the Bible will tell him to sell the remaining jets and give the money to the poor then follow Jesus (the missionaries) to Somalia and North Sudan that is where gospel is preached. Business Seminars and Executive Christian Kingdom Principles summit are no gospel

Onbiz:
After a long silence, founder of the Reigners Bible Church, Uyo, Akwa-Ibom State, Apostle Akan Weeks, has called on his members not to crucify him for the collapsed building, which trapped scores to death‎.
Weeks reminded them that he was still their brother and pastor.

Speaking to Planet FM radio from his hospital bed, the cleric said he was also seriously injured but that as soon as he was out of the hospital, he would pray with Nigerians.
“Please, this is not the time to crucify me; I’m still your brother, Reigners Church family, I’m still your pastor. The enthronement was cancelled completely and I am not interested.
“Please let us rise and pray. I really sympathise with the departed soul. Once I’m out of my hospital bed, I will come on air and we will pray together
Source, http://www.techbase.tk/2016/12/after-long-silence-founder-of-reigners.html?m=1

Nigeria don't need your prayers Apostle Akans Weeks. It is an insult to say such and more insulting to say 'I am still your brother and Pastor' In other words ensuring you come back to meet a congregation of worshippers at your Reigners Bible Church is more important.
Apostle should repent and denounce his circle of friends many of whom have soiled hands, fly at night and become Angels of light on Sundays.
He should explain what he knew about the building structure and make himself available to the authorities for proper investigations.
He should get a list of all the dead and injured worshipers. With that list he would be able to draw out handsome compensations.

Muafrika2:
Denial is always the first step toward recovery.

Not at all, I said to people many months ago that the system could crash having studied how it works. I still believe that it would one day crash but it could be prolonged to last upto 5 years by some modifications

The scheme has not crashed, the temporary suspension of the service rendered is to avoid crashing. An understanding of how the system works will reveal that it could be overloaded with demands. And the systems supply coming partly from the exchanges and partly from the site profit made and injected to offset some demands. To save that moment for another day the managers of the scheme thought it best to take the actions.
The only way it could prolong its services for years is by cutting the interest rate, limit the number of active participants who are eligible to provide help monthly that will be made to nearly balance what the system is able to meet up with or permanently extend the freeze period.
MMM is a creation of a genuis but it is not a perfect system, there are human factors that were not factored at the onset, therefore, it will eventually go down and when it does some people will lose money.

MMM has nothing to do with God or Demon as some religious people are making it out to be. Any Pastor who rubs his ego by taunting people that he prophesied of the crash, making himself somebody from it, is at best a Child upstairs.
It is a risk that people undertake like everyother risk in business, it is in man to take risks and have "faith". Is that different from a Pastor who demands that people sow seed of the income to gain more "blessings"? What fraction of the 'sinning' congregation who pay money weekly to hope peddlers (cunning men of god man) eventually get their capital and the interest? It is even a better risk than risking out with money doublers in the temple.
Please, nobody should murder sleep over the announcements. MMM has not crashed.

Seun:
The cost of an entry level private jet can be much less than that. It can be "just" a few million dollars. What if the pastor's ability to travel all over the world with less stress enables him to preach all over the world more easily and convert more souls to Christianity as a result?

They are not cheap 10th (2nd) hand mini jets. A Nigerian Pastor has Gulf Stream G650 one of the safest Business jets, an experienced American Pilot and Engineers, a hanger in Accra and Ikeja. He doesn't want to die and has gone for the jet reputed to be safer than Bombardier.
Myles Monroe had 4 jets which should enable him travel around the world to preach and convert souls to Christianity. He together with his wife, daughter and key members of his Kingdom principles crusaders were burnt to death on their way "round the World".
It might interest you to know that the Kingdom principles is more about seed sowing, tithes, covenants/partnerships, riches, wealth, estates, publishing cooperations, profitable media groups, business seminars. Yet, his Nigerian American - styled counterparts will not learn that God cannot be mocked.
Modified: Gulfstream G550