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FRANCISTOWN:
I was wondering since you said nothing is guaranteed.

Why don't you like to read me before replying?
I said nothing is guaranteed in the life of a human being. That's what I said.

FRANCISTOWN:
I'm an atheist but I get faith die.

What does your faith rest on?

FRANCISTOWN:
Lemme ask you a question.
The main gate leading to your compound. Is there a guarantee that it cannot fly?

We're talking about what we know about the human experience and not a gate, an inanimate object.

FRANCISTOWN:
Waking up is guaranteed. It's a normal thing.
Anyone who doesn't wake up must have suffered an absurdity.

If the bolded can happen, then waking up is not guaranteed.

And yes , nothing in the life of humans is guaranteed. We don't know it all

Jackanda1:
Realz99, don't listen to that guy advicing you to leave christianity and become atheist. Your situation would get worst.

Those spirit tormenting you would gain unlimited access to your spirit bringing in other demons more wicked than itself.

Tell a church to pray for you.

Go back to read what I explained. I advised he visit a church where love and not fear is preached.

No spirits are tormenting him. You are adding to his fears by saying so.

Jackanda1:
After i diagnosed the problem, you have come out to run your mouth and form smart.

How come you couldn't recognise the name OCD before now?

You are giving advice as if you know more than me who had suffered from it and found solution.

The actual term is Religious Trauma Syndrome (RTS) ,not OCD which can happen also to non religious people
I only used OCD because that's the way you described and understood it.

Neither of us is supposed to diagonise his condition as this or that. It's not the right thing to do. We aren't trained professionals to be sure.
So stop giving yourself airs as you didn't diagonise the actual thing.

In your own case, you did self diagosis based on what you read online and not that you visited any professional to confirm. And after that, substituted one fear for another believing you have gotten solution.

Realz99:
Thanks for the reply

Please keep your 90k to yourself .Don't give it to anyone. Use the money to reach out to an experienced professional counsellor to help you uncover what exactly within you that's responsible for your fears.

If there's any medical issue connected to your case, you will receive the appropriate advice on what to do. That's the way to go if you still feel apprehensive despite all I have explained before now.

Jackanda1:
Realz99, the problem you have is called Obsessive compulsive disorder(OCD). Thats the medical name for it.

A particular thought would trouble and torment your mind causing you great fear and apprehension.

You try every way possible to stop thinking about this thoughts, but it seems impossible.

Religious OCD is a common problem. There people who greatly fear they have commited the unpardonable sin, would get possessed or harmed etc. This thought is strong and can make you almost run mad.

The truth is, a demon is talking to your mind and trying to get you seriously depressed.

I had this problem were i kept thinking about the origin of God. I couldn't stop thinking and was almost running mad. Only prayers calmed my mind.

Run to a church and ask a strong man of God to rebuke that demon in JESUS name and your mind would be calm.

Update me when you get delivered.

I'm afraid you want to make things worse for the op. You don't know what you're saying

OCD is not caused by any demons sending thoughts to your mind.. That's your religious belief which you're trying to deceptively mix with scientific fact.

OCD is caused by the negative programming that goes on within certain religious circles especially pentecostal Christianity where a diet of fear is constantly fed their members to keep them in line so they don't depart from the faith.

Fear of hell , eternal damnation, excommunication, demons possessing you and witches attacking you at night if you don't pray to God before you sleep are some of the negative suggestions which triggers fear response within the minds of believers. It's garbage in garbage out.

A lot of Christians are suffering silently from this and don't know the cause. They think it's demons whereas it's the lies which they have been made to accept as truth that's responsible

Severe OCD cannot be handled by any prayers or deliverance. I know because I have had it before. I was running from pillar to post , couldn't sleep at night and thinking I was going to lose my mind until I found solution elsewhere.

The OP needs professional help and not what you're suggesting. It doesn't work .it will further compound the problem.

It's either he abandons Christianity completely or look for a church where love and not fear is constantly preached from the pulpit. I suggest the latter for him so you don't come and accuse me of trying to make him abandon the faith.

Realz99:
I have terrible Fears, it can be called schizophrenia,
It's a kind of fear that comes as a result of thinking that something wants to harm you,

My fear developed as a result of some things I read ,

https://www.nairaland.com/2506423/holiness-olumba-olumba-obu-appeared

This link I posted above is someone's write up on nairaland, where he said that oo obu appeared to a kiddnapers den physically and saved a kid that was captured,

Since I read that information my brain has processed it in another way,
I do ask myself, so someone has the power to appear to another person in a location physically just like the writer wrote,

Then I started having the thoughts of what if any of my enemies appears to me physically and kill me with a gun or even any of my enemies that's in occult tells their grandmaster to appear to me and kill me physically,


MY CURRENT FEARS

(THIS IS THE ONE I NEED URGENT HELP ON BECAUSE ITS DISTURBING ME PRESENTLY)

I once made a mistake, I went to a native doctor, whom after his consultation he said that witchcraft is disturbing me, and at thus he marked some anti witchcraft marks on my body which I'm regretting now,

You're not schizophrenic. If you were ,you wouldn't not even know it. It's only a professional that can diagonise you as that.

Irrational fears due to wrong beliefs is the cause of your problem. You just need to change your mindset. That's all.

As for the babalawo, you don't need to have any fear. He has done his job ,which to me, is a waste of your money, and has completely forgotten about you . If you go to him again, I'm sure he wouldn't even recognize. your face again

Don't worry yourself over nothing.

Realz99:
Thanks for the reply,

There' was some mix up in my reply. I just edited it to remove the confusion. I mistakenly quoted someone and all his responses mixed up with mine

You're having this problem because you accepted as true something that's lie.

Nobody can magically appear to you in your room to torment you, and no witch has the power to make your life miserable without your consent.

And you give consent when you believe that external circumstances and people around you can have control over your life. Most people in this part of the world are of this mindset due to religious indoctrination hence the reason they easily fall for such things.

The power of witchcraft lies in belief and nothing more.

So stop being afraid of people who have no power to harm you.

If you continue to be afraid after reading what I just explained, then repeat the switchword below,

PURGE CANCEL



For 3-4 minutes every1 to 2 hours silently to yourself or aloud if alone, throughout today and the next. It helps to remove from your mind negative thoughts that results in irrational fear.

Switchwords are psychological tools which doesn't depend on belief for them to work. They're not magical words but are very effective.



If you use the above switchword, and you get relief then learn how to take control of your mind so that you don't find yourself in this kind of situation again.

FRANCISTOWN:
Ha! What did I do wrong?
Let's not misunderstand each other.
Let's get back to the premise of this argument.

A man who supposedly died and came back to life but in the course of death claimed he saw a "thing" which he concluded in his mind to be God, despite no formal introduction between the two.

Myself and several others repudiated the claim and proposed that the man must have been in a state of imagination sequential to prior information or beliefs held by the man.

We further strengthened our arguments that NDE/ADE is strongly governed and presented in ways that suit whichever information, believe or beliefs that an individual may hold or has heard about during the individual's lifetime.

That is, a buddhist will most likely see Buddha when he dies.
A christian will see Jesus.
A muslim will see Allah( or nothing, as their religion does not preach that)
A Hindus will see Krishna and co (as in the account of Shanti Devi in the 60s of the India people)
An IFA worshiper will see IFA.
And so on...

Also, our argument rests on this main fact that, someone who has never heard of any god or hold no legends of god in the slightest
form of regard will most likely see a loved one, absolute darkness, a bright light. Some may not even see nothing, while some may not remember what they'd see.

Therefore, I present my thesis.
Shall we start all over?

It means you have not been reading me. I'm not yet arguing for NDE as proof of an afterlife.

I only asked you to provide scientific support for your explanation of what goes on in the brain during clinical death. But instead of providing that you deflected to "search Google my G"

How is that scientific support or evidence?

FxMasterz:
Yes, my encounter with you was on that spirit husband thread. You watered down the OP's narration of the experiences of a victim and brought in some unfounded and untested theories. I then asked the OP to ignore your comment saying you're an ignoramus. Except you don't know what the term ignoramus means. That statement wasn't disparaging in any way. You turned it to an occasion for a fight. It was on that thread that the OP shared dreams narrated by the victim and I used the dream to paint a picture of the victim's current life experiences which was confirmed by the OP on that thread. .

Why do you want to lie and deceive yourself? An ignoramus means an ignorant and stupid person and you say that's not an insult?

You just said it has to
do with dreams which you were explaining and I jumped in to interrupt and insult you. Now that I reminded that it was the spirit and husband thread, you want to change it. I think something is wrong with you. SMH. You were the one that started the insult, not me . Good you just admitted it. So who's now the rude person?
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I'm responding to you because you directly asked for my view concerning the link you posted.

First, let me tell you that the deliverance ministry also has a lot of ignorance associated with it among deliverance ministers. I don't count myself a deliverance minister. I count myself a minister of the Gospel. I don't conduct deliverance on people at first sight. I only confront demonic manifestations in people. This is contrary to what most deliverance ministers do.

For example, a girl was brought to me in 2022 who was accused of being a witch. Instead of conducting deliverance on the girl as many deliverance ministers would have done, I sat her down beside me and admonished her in few words to give her life to Christ and leave the occult. I was just talking to her normally. Not praying. In less than 2 minutes, she fell off the chair unto the floor and remained there wriggling and manifesting for more than 30 minutes. I didn't do anything order than watch her there. I didn't cast out any demon. Once she regained her composure, I asked her to go home and return another day. Does that look like trickling of the mind to you?

On another occasion, I was praying for a man who never showed any sign of demonic possession. He didn't manifest anything. The man was brought to me because he was severely tormented. In his younger years, he was working with MTN and suddenly got sacked. He never got another job again from that time. When they brought him to me, he was looking like a mad man. I never knew he had a masters degree until he began to speak excellent English. He looked like someone in his mid 50s. I can't be certain of his age though because oppression can make someone look extremely older than his age. But at the time, he had no wife, no house of his own. He had absolutely nothing. Not even a cell phone. He narrated his ordeal and I prayed a simple prayer with him. He didn't manifest any demonic activity but when I finished praying he said while I was praying he heard a feminine voice from inside him that said "I'm leaving!". His life changed from that moment onwards. That's deliverance. Does this look like someone tricking the mind of another?

So, when we look at the practical side of these things, the truth is farther from what you're thinking. These are things I can practically demonstrate. I have witnessed an occasion while I was praying for someone and the demons spoke out telling me how they got inside her when she was made to perform a ritual at age 6 to dedicate her to a river goddess in Calabar. The lady herself couldn't remember the incident vividly, it was the father who later confirmed the demon's words. What mind tricking would make someone narrate detailed events she herself is personally unaware of?

I remember while praying for the lady, when the demon had insisted the lady was her property because she had a covenant with her. I told the demon that the covenant was broken. You can't imagine how she screamed because of that. Those are not mind tricks. Eventually, the demon pleaded with me to allow her stay. I asked her to leave in the name of Jesus. The deliverance of this lady took several days. I remember an occasion during the deliverance period when I was called upon to help this lady in her house because she was in torment. I rushed to her house to assist. She was in severe discomfort on the bed in her bedroom. The Holy Spirit asked me to rebuke demons, so I simply commanded the demons in the name of Jesus to leave her. When I finished commanding, the lady became very calm and told me that immediately the demons sensed my presence in her house, they began to strangle her, angrily telling her she must die that day.

Or should I talk about an elderly woman, wife of a retired DPO who constantly entertained suicidal thoughts until the husband asked me to pray for his wife. The woman confessed to her liberty while sharing her testimony one Sunday. She almost worshipped me that day because of too much joy and internal freedom. This is the same woman who before then, would deliberately injure herself because she wanted to die. That's why I laugh at these atheists who think the world revolves around their limited logic. Francistown even went to create a counter thread full.of self deceit while jaephoenix tagged my response on this thread as bullshit.

What I say, I say from experience. I once asked maynman to meet me for a one on one demonstration which he subtly avoided. I couldn't have ventured that far if I don't know what I was doing. These are things I can demonstrate anywhere.

I don't expect people to have demonic possession. So I don't cast out demons from people at first sight until the demons themselves manifest. I have numerous episodes I can narrate. I'm not talking theories here. I'm talking from experience.
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So many unverified stories
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The Catholics can't conduct deliverance except they want to deceive themselves. I won't go into that in details..

You're just bluffing . You don't know it more than the Catholic priest who are well trained in it.

Both you and those atheists cannot tell me that you've had all the experiences the world could ever offer you to have reached the conclusions you have currently reached. To me, you live and judge by theories, logic and very limited experience. if only you can dare to explore more, you'll find after many more experiences that you're still ignorant.

What do you know about me ? I'm not a kid and I have been to places and done things you dare not do as a Christian

You're defending what's putting food on your table with anything you can come up with.

I said what you're doing is not different from what TB Joshua did when he was alive.

You're messing up with the minds of ignorant people who come to you for deliverance

And no matter the good you think that's coming from it, you are also adding to their problems.

People who have been convinced by pastors like yourself that they can be possessed by demons have already condemned themselves to a life of perpetual misery. From that moment onwards,every single problem they face is attributed to demons. How can that kind of person know peace. No way!

FxMasterz:
There has been no pastor who abandoned deliverance because he thought he was tricking people's minds. Such a thought itself is absurd. Have you ever witnessed a deliverance session live and direct to see the beautiful transformation that usually follows? I've never had anyone returned to me with the same problems after being delivered and the demons cast out.

Do you read to understand or read to criticize? You insulted me severally in the past even when I didn't return the insults. Someone confirmed that you've always been like that.
Even on that particular thread where someone described a series of dreams a victim of demonic oppression claimed to have. I dissected the dreams and provided an accurate picture of what the the victim would be experiencing in real life which was confirmed by the narrator. In spite of the confirmation, you continued to shoot out your opposing views without objectivity. Then you went on to lace all your posts with insults without provocation. I don't want to have any discussion with persons of such character. So stop mentioning me. I'll not respond anymore if you dare another mention.

@ the bolded, you have mistaken me for another person. I have never engaged you concerning dreams on this board. Never! If you insist I was the person please revisit the thread and bring evidence I was the person. It was in the spirit husband and wife thread that you directed some disparaging comments at me which I responded to . Apart from that, no other time. It's wrong for you to accuse me of something I never did.


Back to the topic. I won't say much again you're free to believe what you want to believe

Delivering people from demons is one of the oldest tricks in the books to recruit new members for Pentecostal churches. TB Joshua successfully used that to expand his church business.

The Catholic Church began with the same thing but stopped after a time. These days you hardly hear that a Catholic priest is conducting exorcism somewhere. Anyone who comes to them is directed to seek professional help first before anything, and when such persons take the advice, it's reported they usually don't come back because they found professional solutions for what they taught was caused by demons. You should be doing that and not deceiving the public like TB Joshua

What you doing messing up the minds of innocent people in the name of casting out demons from them is spiritism , not Christianity. Those who are very good at it outside Christianity can make those who submit to them do much more than demons talking through them . They can make people bark like dogs , meow like cats and any other thing. You don't know what's behind what you do. You're practicing spiritism in the name of Jesus and don't even know it.


Take your time to read the below. It's from a pastor like yourself. He's not the only one. There are others too who have spoken against what people like you're doing to ignorant Christian's.

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https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.ministrymagazine.org/archive/1992/08/beware-of-deliverance-ministries&sa=U&ved=2ahUKEwit5oaH0KiEAxXPVEEAHTF7DQQQFnoECAYQAg&usg=AOvVaw1awjvEVwlFJFttmW7qHoXS

Please come back to tell what you think.

Modified. The first link I shared didn't lead to the exact page I wanted you to read. I just replaced it

gaby:
SMH...

Make dem sha collect microphone from this man.

Declination with age don set in but nobody fit speak the truth to authority.

You're very correct. He forgot he drank the tea himself before then

LalastiklaIa:
Don't mind him. Theist are more likely to commit suicide when they perceive gid has failed them. They commit suicide as a way to protest that the life God gave them isn't satisfying enough

You people should not turn this issue into a fight. Everyone is "more likely to commit suicide" it doesn't matter your belief and non belief.
At some point in the life of an atheist, rational thinking and logic ,like a God, will also fail leaving the person helpless and not knowing what to do. That can also lead to severe depression depending on the situation the atheist is caught up in.

Instead of this petty business of debating who is more likely to commit suicide, attention should be focused on enlightening everyone around you, your enemies included, on the need to take care of their mental health

FxMasterz:
Even when the demons speak out of the people being prayed for?me.

It's a trick of the mind. Next time record the voice of the demons and paste it here so people judge for themselves if it's humans speaking or the voice of actual demons

TB Joshua was fake but he wasn't tricking the minds of people. It doesn't work that way. That's absurd.

You don't understand what it means to trick the mind. You have interpreted that literally. Do a research on what it means to trick the mind to create effect. It will help you to understand better what you're currently engage in so you know if to continue or not.
The human mind doesn't know the difference between what's real and not real. So if you're able to convince it something is real when it's not ,it will create effect from it and that's what you're getting as demons speaking through people. You need an education beyond your religious beliefs to know the truth about your deliverance activities. What you hear as demons speaking is all from the unconscious mind . It's not real demons.

You even claim demons don't posses people when there are extremely clear evidences both in the Bible and outside the Bible.

The Bible doesn't contain any evidence that can be relied on when it comes to that. And there are no evidences outside the Bible to prove demons possess anyone. I already explained what's responsible for what you think is demons speaking through people . Look for former pastors who were doing the same thing you're currently doing to educate you on why they abandoned the practice. It will help you a lot if you really want to know the truth. Have you ever ask yourself why is it that people you claimed to have exorcised of demons continue to experience the same and come back for another round of deliverance or look for another pastor to deliver them? They continue to come back because it's all make believe and not real.

I think I've once had a discussion with you regarding this issue before. You were even very rude back then. I was told that's
how you have always being. I don't consider you a Christian. Please stop mentioning me.

And you easily believe what another has said about me without proof? It tells the kind of person you're. Some persons here are quick to unconsciously throw insults at others, you included, but when you respond in kind they start to accuse you of being rude. Go back to that thread and see how you started making all manner of desparaging comments about my person indirectly and come back here to tell me you're a nice and not rude person who respect the people you discuss with. Even here on this thread you have started to demonise others who don't share in your belief. Is that what Christianity teaches you?

FxMasterz:
I don't think demons are responsible for suicide. I know they are. That's because I have on several occasions healed many of suicidal thoughts by casting out demons.

The healing may have happened because you succeeded in unconsciously tricking their minds to accept something about themselves that's not true. That's spiritual deception.

The human mind is capable of creating effect from what it's made to accept as true, and that's why the placebo can provide relief for anyone who is made to believe they are getting the real thing . This is one of the reasons TB Joshua had some success when he was alive. He was tricking the minds of the ignorant public to believe he has powers to cast out demons from them. It's the same thing you're doing . It doesn't end well.

Demons don't possess people. Your religious book has made you accept that lie and now working with it to ignorantly abuse the minds of the people you claim you have healed .


The day you come to the realisation that you have not been casting out any demons from anyone is the day you will wake up and even end up becoming an atheist.

FxMasterz:
I only provided clarification because the OP and his source had wrong diagnosis. I even painted a comparative picture for my position.

I'm afraid your diagnosis and "comparative picture" are products of your religious indoctrination.

You're clueless about what can cause depression which leads to suicidal thoughts.

You think demons are responsible because that's what your has taught you .

FxMasterz:
Okay. Thank you for the clarification.

But the post was originally written by an atheist. That doesn't change the theme of the post and the direction of the thread.

Yes ,it doesn't change the theme of the post but you're trying to change it by your outlandish claims that the cause of atheists commiting suicide is due to demons.

Why have you deflected from the Op to talk of something else that's not related to it. Demon talk.

FxMasterz:
But the OP is actually an atheist. Are you angry that he has exposed what you have been denying?

The creator of this thread is not an atheist. He is a theist who copied the article from an atheist blog without given credit to the original writer , and now using it to indirectly push the false narrative here on Nairaland that atheist and other religious are prone to commiting suicide because they lack a God in their lives.

Apart from regurgitating parts of the article as response to what others have said here, he has not said anything else, proving he's not the same person as the original writer.

The OP is an intellectual thief . Don't give him any credit for something that's not his.

Everyone is prone to getting depressed and commiting suicide it has nothing to do with non belief or belief in a God, or the stupid talk of demons causing it.

And the actual reason people may take their own lives is because they have lost temporary control of their minds either due to psychological or biological factors or both. Everyone who has committed suicide or attempted it was never fully in control.

However, the truth need to be told. An atheist may be more prone to commiting suicide than the the theist because he or she has no moral qualms in doing so . Religious people who are programmed to regard suicide as something morally reprehensible hardly think of it. Infact the dread it because of the punishment which they think awaits them on the other side

And it's this programming that's making the difference between the rate of suicide within the religious community and those of the atheist ,if not everyone is prone to commiting suicide.

No matter the loss of control, mental programming which are deeply embedded in the religious mind continue to operate unconsciously at the background to steer them away from ending their lives at the time the brain is partially crippled due to depression.

But the atheist can also to something to deal with depression so it doesn't end crippling the part of the brain responsible for critical thinking.

Atheists and other religious people should learn how to meditate. Meditation is more helpful than prayers. These days a lot of atheist are learning to meditate and it helps to starve off depression.

However ,I going to issue a disclaimer that no one reading this should take my words as an alternative to sound medical advice from a professional. If you ever feel depressed and starting to nurse suicidal thoughts please seek urgent help from a professional.

If depression is due to biological factors , it then means the problem is fully present in the brain and may require some medication to manage, not only meditation or prayers.

Lookman to score and Nigeria to win.

That's my expectations for today's final

I am expecting Lookmam to score and Nigeria to win.

Nigeria has the better and more confident team.

They're not going to be intimidated by the vociferous Ivorian fans.

I see them playing their normal game and winning at the end.

Jackanda1:
So you don't believe that God with his infinite wisdom and strength can influence people to remove some books that he doesn't want included in the scriptures for whatever reason best known to him?

Is the Bible not enough for you?

Removing them after inspiring the same books with his "infinite wisdom and strength" ?

FRANCISTOWN:
You keep throwing the word 'flatline' around, it seems you don't even understand what it means. I did well to avoid it because it doesn't corroborate my argument.

Flatline is simply a sudden or complete shutdown of the human brain(brain death), which could be an aftermath of brain injury, cardiac arrest or anything that suddenly stops the brain from receiving oxygen.
All flatlines or lemme say most flatlines result to death but, not all death is a result of flatlines.

Lemme use something you can relate to.

Assume you are using a desktop PC without a UPS, or lemme say a laptop without a back up.
Your PC is directly connected to power and you are enjoying yourself.

Case 1:
When you shut down the PC. Upon shutting down, the PC closes all your unterminated softwares and windows by itself and even gives you the opportunity to cancel some. That's what happens to the brain when you die, after death. The brain remains active for anything within seconds, to minutes or hours.
Then flatline occurs. As the PC finally shuts down. The PC is not powered because it is shut down.
Here, the victim dies first, then flatline occurs as a result of death.

Case 2:
Your PC is on, without UPS or backup, just the power cable connected to it . Suddenly power is cut off(let's say NEPA, or the charger blows up) or you long press and hold the power button . Immediately the PC will go off, without warning.
The sudden power outage is the reason the PC is off.
Here! Flatline is the cause of death.

Flatline occurs after death (case 1, which is the common case)
but for some people flatline is the cause of death.(case 2, which is not rare)
There could be series of factors leading to case 2, such as: head injury, cardiac arrest e.t.c

You should pay me for this lecture

Why have you taken the word, flat line out of the context I used it in order to muddle things up?

You're creating confusion and I think it's deliberate to avoid providing evidence for your claims about what goes on in the brain during NDE. Nothing has been established in the sciences about the cause of the phenomenon.

I use the word , flat line in the context of NDE as against your use of "functioning" which gives the wrong impression that during that period the human brain is still very active like before.





Your lectures, sorry to say , are completely off and not relevant to what I ask you to provide. Evidence for your claims. It's as simple as that or you forget it.

You cannot be prowling about on this board demanding evidence from others and play hide and seek when it gets to your turn to do so.
That's double standard and hypocrisy



I think you just want to show you're smarter and not that you're interested in any sincere conversation . I cannot be played so enjoy yourself.

FRANCISTOWN:
Thank you so much.

@triplechoice. This is coming from a certified medical practitioner.Therefore, come and plead your ignorance and apologize appropriately.

That person has misrepresented me. So nothing to apologize for.

A certified medical doctor should explain to you first, what it means for the brain of the clinically dead to go flatline before anything else. He has not shown he knows the difference.

FRANCISTOWN:
You are just ranting, and it's begining to get me irritated for real.
You've not said anything to counter what I said. I said what I said with respect to scientific discovery. During NDE, their are rhythmic brain patterns similar to dreaming, memory recall and meditation.

Your brain uses the information in it's memory to create series of phantasmagoricals. That's why a blind man can never have a visual dream and a deaf man, an auditory dream. Simply because their brain has no information on that(simply nothing in the memory with respect to that)

Whatever a man experiences during NDE would simply be a memory recall of his imagination, what he must have seen, or what he must have heard.

As we know, to create imaginations. Your brain still needs to get synthetic.

You don't know anything about the brain yet you are here creating a whole lot of nuisance and academic embarrassments.

This is as simple as what a basic 5 pupil should know. This is so embarrassing, honestly and I'm beginning to get pissed.

I have no pleasures for mediocrity.

Now the question is what evidence do you have that does activity seen is responsible for the phenomenon?

This is what I keep demanding from you but you have failed to provide any.

Or you don't know what scientific evidence is ?

Scientific evidence is not guess work .

There's nothing wrong if based on what you know you choose to engage your brain to come up with what you think is responsible for NDE, but if it finds no scientific support yet ,please believe in yourself and be honest to admit it's your own truth and stand by it untill you are proven otherwise by other scientists.

I think you have misunderstood me from the very beginning.

jaephoenix:
Those NDE folks brains doesn't stop functioning. Even when we confirm someone clinically dead, it doesn't mean the brain cant function. The brain remains functioning 5 to 6 minutes after the heart stops pumping. In those 5 or 6 minutes, they can dig into their memory banks and conjure those NDE moments, before return of spontaneous circulation occurs(restart of heartbeat)
Another thing that makes rubbish of NDEs is it is experienced by people of every religion, and each one talks about meeting their resppective gods, or religious experiences. So which god is the real one?
That should tell their experiences are simply religious indoctrinations that are replayed, like explained earlier

You didn't take your time to read what you responded to

I said at clinical death the brain is seen to be flatline. I used the word flatline and went on to explain what it means;; minimal activity or "functions" not enough to create the vivid imageries associated with the experience of NDE. This is what currebt research into the phenomenonhas made us to understand

It's similar to when a computer is hibernating. This analogy is not a perfect description of it but at least to an extent it helps . I never said the brain has stopped "functioning" completely.

I shouldn't be explaining to a medical doctor what it means for the brain to go flatline at clinically death. The use of the word , functioning, by you and you friend gives the impression that the brain at that period is still working as normal.

It cannot be that the brain of clinically dead person can still function normally as that of someone who has life and still fully conscious.
because att that point it's gradually shutting down .

If you have any evidence that the brain at that point still functions normally as that of someone not yet dead and fully conscious, please bring it.

I need scientific support for your explanations and not just what you assume.

FRANCISTOWN:
Lol! Please pick up elementary science and introduction to computer components materials for basic two pupils. It's very important

No need trying to bluff it out or hide behind " use Google" and this latest wayward talk from you.

Provide scientific evidence for your very odd and outlandish claims about what goes on in the brain of dead people or admit you were
just imagining things and trying to pass it off as established truth. You, not me, have claimed something. So, provide proof and stop trying to be clever by half.

Scientists using modern sophisticated brain scanners and other devices have not been able to unravel what goes on in the human brain during that period of NDE , but you, an unknown entity on Nairaland, who doesn't know much science, wants to brag about what you're pathetically clueless about.

Yes, it's not uncommon to hear your type attempting to compare the workings of a man made computer to one of the greatest marvel of nature, the mysterious human brain.

But I tell you, it's completely wrong to use your knowledge of computers to interpret or explain what goes on in the brain during NDE. You will certainly miss it ,make a mockery of yourself and mislead the ignorant public.



I think I have been wasting my time. Use your advice and help yourself with Google and those science textbooks, but that's if you know exactly what to search and what to read.

Good day.

FRANCISTOWN:
Well! That you don't know how to use Google which is a modern facility shouldn't be my cup of tea.

He he he .
I can see you very good at imagining things and believing them as fact. We are not discussing how to use Google my friend, but finding scientific support for your conjectures about the human brain at death. Please be focused if you want us to continue with the discussion

I don't even have anything to say to someone who doesn't know that even after death, your brain functions from seconds to hours.

But what exactly are those "functions" at death? Unfortunately, you don't know a thing nor can describe it the way it is. You just imagined something in your head and try to use subterfuge to pass it as scientific fact. And the next thing, you want me to search for it in Google.

I said, based on what has been observed by scientists , the human brain is flatline during that period and so not capable of producing such vivid imageries associated with the phenomenon. Flatline doesn't mean no more activity, but not enough to create the experience.

Instead of disputing what I already explained with facts and evidence, you're casting innuendos everywhere.

And by the way, those who have given different accounts of what they saw after death, including the story the OP narrated. How would they be able to recognize and recall what they saw if the brain doesn't function after death.

1. Once again, I never said the brain is no more "functioning" but has gone flatline. Please use Google to help you understand what that means as it concerns NDE.

2. The brain creating movies in the head is not the same activity as the brain helping you to store information so you remember it later. You don't have any evidence the former can happen during that period You just assume and made a logical leap that since the later is possible then, the former is also possible. That's not scientific thinking. My friend.

You don't even need Google for this things. Sometimes you can just sit and engage your brain.

Instead of wasting my time and directing me to Google, why didn't you just admit you were only engaging you brain to imagine all that you have explained.

If you had admitted that, there won't be any reason for me to drag you any further on this .