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gaby:
SMH...

Make dem sha collect microphone from this man.

Declination with age don set in but nobody fit speak the truth to authority.

You're very correct. He forgot he drank the tea himself before then

LalastiklaIa:
Don't mind him. Theist are more likely to commit suicide when they perceive gid has failed them. They commit suicide as a way to protest that the life God gave them isn't satisfying enough

You people should not turn this issue into a fight. Everyone is "more likely to commit suicide" it doesn't matter your belief and non belief.
At some point in the life of an atheist, rational thinking and logic ,like a God, will also fail leaving the person helpless and not knowing what to do. That can also lead to severe depression depending on the situation the atheist is caught up in.

Instead of this petty business of debating who is more likely to commit suicide, attention should be focused on enlightening everyone around you, your enemies included, on the need to take care of their mental health

FxMasterz:
Even when the demons speak out of the people being prayed for?me.

It's a trick of the mind. Next time record the voice of the demons and paste it here so people judge for themselves if it's humans speaking or the voice of actual demons

TB Joshua was fake but he wasn't tricking the minds of people. It doesn't work that way. That's absurd.

You don't understand what it means to trick the mind. You have interpreted that literally. Do a research on what it means to trick the mind to create effect. It will help you to understand better what you're currently engage in so you know if to continue or not.
The human mind doesn't know the difference between what's real and not real. So if you're able to convince it something is real when it's not ,it will create effect from it and that's what you're getting as demons speaking through people. You need an education beyond your religious beliefs to know the truth about your deliverance activities. What you hear as demons speaking is all from the unconscious mind . It's not real demons.

You even claim demons don't posses people when there are extremely clear evidences both in the Bible and outside the Bible.

The Bible doesn't contain any evidence that can be relied on when it comes to that. And there are no evidences outside the Bible to prove demons possess anyone. I already explained what's responsible for what you think is demons speaking through people . Look for former pastors who were doing the same thing you're currently doing to educate you on why they abandoned the practice. It will help you a lot if you really want to know the truth. Have you ever ask yourself why is it that people you claimed to have exorcised of demons continue to experience the same and come back for another round of deliverance or look for another pastor to deliver them? They continue to come back because it's all make believe and not real.

I think I've once had a discussion with you regarding this issue before. You were even very rude back then. I was told that's
how you have always being. I don't consider you a Christian. Please stop mentioning me.

And you easily believe what another has said about me without proof? It tells the kind of person you're. Some persons here are quick to unconsciously throw insults at others, you included, but when you respond in kind they start to accuse you of being rude. Go back to that thread and see how you started making all manner of desparaging comments about my person indirectly and come back here to tell me you're a nice and not rude person who respect the people you discuss with. Even here on this thread you have started to demonise others who don't share in your belief. Is that what Christianity teaches you?

FxMasterz:
I don't think demons are responsible for suicide. I know they are. That's because I have on several occasions healed many of suicidal thoughts by casting out demons.

The healing may have happened because you succeeded in unconsciously tricking their minds to accept something about themselves that's not true. That's spiritual deception.

The human mind is capable of creating effect from what it's made to accept as true, and that's why the placebo can provide relief for anyone who is made to believe they are getting the real thing . This is one of the reasons TB Joshua had some success when he was alive. He was tricking the minds of the ignorant public to believe he has powers to cast out demons from them. It's the same thing you're doing . It doesn't end well.

Demons don't possess people. Your religious book has made you accept that lie and now working with it to ignorantly abuse the minds of the people you claim you have healed .


The day you come to the realisation that you have not been casting out any demons from anyone is the day you will wake up and even end up becoming an atheist.

FxMasterz:
I only provided clarification because the OP and his source had wrong diagnosis. I even painted a comparative picture for my position.

I'm afraid your diagnosis and "comparative picture" are products of your religious indoctrination.

You're clueless about what can cause depression which leads to suicidal thoughts.

You think demons are responsible because that's what your has taught you .

FxMasterz:
Okay. Thank you for the clarification.

But the post was originally written by an atheist. That doesn't change the theme of the post and the direction of the thread.

Yes ,it doesn't change the theme of the post but you're trying to change it by your outlandish claims that the cause of atheists commiting suicide is due to demons.

Why have you deflected from the Op to talk of something else that's not related to it. Demon talk.

FxMasterz:
But the OP is actually an atheist. Are you angry that he has exposed what you have been denying?

The creator of this thread is not an atheist. He is a theist who copied the article from an atheist blog without given credit to the original writer , and now using it to indirectly push the false narrative here on Nairaland that atheist and other religious are prone to commiting suicide because they lack a God in their lives.

Apart from regurgitating parts of the article as response to what others have said here, he has not said anything else, proving he's not the same person as the original writer.

The OP is an intellectual thief . Don't give him any credit for something that's not his.

Everyone is prone to getting depressed and commiting suicide it has nothing to do with non belief or belief in a God, or the stupid talk of demons causing it.

And the actual reason people may take their own lives is because they have lost temporary control of their minds either due to psychological or biological factors or both. Everyone who has committed suicide or attempted it was never fully in control.

However, the truth need to be told. An atheist may be more prone to commiting suicide than the the theist because he or she has no moral qualms in doing so . Religious people who are programmed to regard suicide as something morally reprehensible hardly think of it. Infact the dread it because of the punishment which they think awaits them on the other side

And it's this programming that's making the difference between the rate of suicide within the religious community and those of the atheist ,if not everyone is prone to commiting suicide.

No matter the loss of control, mental programming which are deeply embedded in the religious mind continue to operate unconsciously at the background to steer them away from ending their lives at the time the brain is partially crippled due to depression.

But the atheist can also to something to deal with depression so it doesn't end crippling the part of the brain responsible for critical thinking.

Atheists and other religious people should learn how to meditate. Meditation is more helpful than prayers. These days a lot of atheist are learning to meditate and it helps to starve off depression.

However ,I going to issue a disclaimer that no one reading this should take my words as an alternative to sound medical advice from a professional. If you ever feel depressed and starting to nurse suicidal thoughts please seek urgent help from a professional.

If depression is due to biological factors , it then means the problem is fully present in the brain and may require some medication to manage, not only meditation or prayers.

Lookman to score and Nigeria to win.

That's my expectations for today's final

I am expecting Lookmam to score and Nigeria to win.

Nigeria has the better and more confident team.

They're not going to be intimidated by the vociferous Ivorian fans.

I see them playing their normal game and winning at the end.

Jackanda1:
So you don't believe that God with his infinite wisdom and strength can influence people to remove some books that he doesn't want included in the scriptures for whatever reason best known to him?

Is the Bible not enough for you?

Removing them after inspiring the same books with his "infinite wisdom and strength" ?

FRANCISTOWN:
You keep throwing the word 'flatline' around, it seems you don't even understand what it means. I did well to avoid it because it doesn't corroborate my argument.

Flatline is simply a sudden or complete shutdown of the human brain(brain death), which could be an aftermath of brain injury, cardiac arrest or anything that suddenly stops the brain from receiving oxygen.
All flatlines or lemme say most flatlines result to death but, not all death is a result of flatlines.

Lemme use something you can relate to.

Assume you are using a desktop PC without a UPS, or lemme say a laptop without a back up.
Your PC is directly connected to power and you are enjoying yourself.

Case 1:
When you shut down the PC. Upon shutting down, the PC closes all your unterminated softwares and windows by itself and even gives you the opportunity to cancel some. That's what happens to the brain when you die, after death. The brain remains active for anything within seconds, to minutes or hours.
Then flatline occurs. As the PC finally shuts down. The PC is not powered because it is shut down.
Here, the victim dies first, then flatline occurs as a result of death.

Case 2:
Your PC is on, without UPS or backup, just the power cable connected to it . Suddenly power is cut off(let's say NEPA, or the charger blows up) or you long press and hold the power button . Immediately the PC will go off, without warning.
The sudden power outage is the reason the PC is off.
Here! Flatline is the cause of death.

Flatline occurs after death (case 1, which is the common case)
but for some people flatline is the cause of death.(case 2, which is not rare)
There could be series of factors leading to case 2, such as: head injury, cardiac arrest e.t.c

You should pay me for this lecture

Why have you taken the word, flat line out of the context I used it in order to muddle things up?

You're creating confusion and I think it's deliberate to avoid providing evidence for your claims about what goes on in the brain during NDE. Nothing has been established in the sciences about the cause of the phenomenon.

I use the word , flat line in the context of NDE as against your use of "functioning" which gives the wrong impression that during that period the human brain is still very active like before.





Your lectures, sorry to say , are completely off and not relevant to what I ask you to provide. Evidence for your claims. It's as simple as that or you forget it.

You cannot be prowling about on this board demanding evidence from others and play hide and seek when it gets to your turn to do so.
That's double standard and hypocrisy



I think you just want to show you're smarter and not that you're interested in any sincere conversation . I cannot be played so enjoy yourself.

FRANCISTOWN:
Thank you so much.

@triplechoice. This is coming from a certified medical practitioner.Therefore, come and plead your ignorance and apologize appropriately.

That person has misrepresented me. So nothing to apologize for.

A certified medical doctor should explain to you first, what it means for the brain of the clinically dead to go flatline before anything else. He has not shown he knows the difference.

FRANCISTOWN:
You are just ranting, and it's begining to get me irritated for real.
You've not said anything to counter what I said. I said what I said with respect to scientific discovery. During NDE, their are rhythmic brain patterns similar to dreaming, memory recall and meditation.

Your brain uses the information in it's memory to create series of phantasmagoricals. That's why a blind man can never have a visual dream and a deaf man, an auditory dream. Simply because their brain has no information on that(simply nothing in the memory with respect to that)

Whatever a man experiences during NDE would simply be a memory recall of his imagination, what he must have seen, or what he must have heard.

As we know, to create imaginations. Your brain still needs to get synthetic.

You don't know anything about the brain yet you are here creating a whole lot of nuisance and academic embarrassments.

This is as simple as what a basic 5 pupil should know. This is so embarrassing, honestly and I'm beginning to get pissed.

I have no pleasures for mediocrity.

Now the question is what evidence do you have that does activity seen is responsible for the phenomenon?

This is what I keep demanding from you but you have failed to provide any.

Or you don't know what scientific evidence is ?

Scientific evidence is not guess work .

There's nothing wrong if based on what you know you choose to engage your brain to come up with what you think is responsible for NDE, but if it finds no scientific support yet ,please believe in yourself and be honest to admit it's your own truth and stand by it untill you are proven otherwise by other scientists.

I think you have misunderstood me from the very beginning.

jaephoenix:
Those NDE folks brains doesn't stop functioning. Even when we confirm someone clinically dead, it doesn't mean the brain cant function. The brain remains functioning 5 to 6 minutes after the heart stops pumping. In those 5 or 6 minutes, they can dig into their memory banks and conjure those NDE moments, before return of spontaneous circulation occurs(restart of heartbeat)
Another thing that makes rubbish of NDEs is it is experienced by people of every religion, and each one talks about meeting their resppective gods, or religious experiences. So which god is the real one?
That should tell their experiences are simply religious indoctrinations that are replayed, like explained earlier

You didn't take your time to read what you responded to

I said at clinical death the brain is seen to be flatline. I used the word flatline and went on to explain what it means;; minimal activity or "functions" not enough to create the vivid imageries associated with the experience of NDE. This is what currebt research into the phenomenonhas made us to understand

It's similar to when a computer is hibernating. This analogy is not a perfect description of it but at least to an extent it helps . I never said the brain has stopped "functioning" completely.

I shouldn't be explaining to a medical doctor what it means for the brain to go flatline at clinically death. The use of the word , functioning, by you and you friend gives the impression that the brain at that period is still working as normal.

It cannot be that the brain of clinically dead person can still function normally as that of someone who has life and still fully conscious.
because att that point it's gradually shutting down .

If you have any evidence that the brain at that point still functions normally as that of someone not yet dead and fully conscious, please bring it.

I need scientific support for your explanations and not just what you assume.

FRANCISTOWN:
Lol! Please pick up elementary science and introduction to computer components materials for basic two pupils. It's very important

No need trying to bluff it out or hide behind " use Google" and this latest wayward talk from you.

Provide scientific evidence for your very odd and outlandish claims about what goes on in the brain of dead people or admit you were
just imagining things and trying to pass it off as established truth. You, not me, have claimed something. So, provide proof and stop trying to be clever by half.

Scientists using modern sophisticated brain scanners and other devices have not been able to unravel what goes on in the human brain during that period of NDE , but you, an unknown entity on Nairaland, who doesn't know much science, wants to brag about what you're pathetically clueless about.

Yes, it's not uncommon to hear your type attempting to compare the workings of a man made computer to one of the greatest marvel of nature, the mysterious human brain.

But I tell you, it's completely wrong to use your knowledge of computers to interpret or explain what goes on in the brain during NDE. You will certainly miss it ,make a mockery of yourself and mislead the ignorant public.



I think I have been wasting my time. Use your advice and help yourself with Google and those science textbooks, but that's if you know exactly what to search and what to read.

Good day.

FRANCISTOWN:
Well! That you don't know how to use Google which is a modern facility shouldn't be my cup of tea.

He he he .
I can see you very good at imagining things and believing them as fact. We are not discussing how to use Google my friend, but finding scientific support for your conjectures about the human brain at death. Please be focused if you want us to continue with the discussion

I don't even have anything to say to someone who doesn't know that even after death, your brain functions from seconds to hours.

But what exactly are those "functions" at death? Unfortunately, you don't know a thing nor can describe it the way it is. You just imagined something in your head and try to use subterfuge to pass it as scientific fact. And the next thing, you want me to search for it in Google.

I said, based on what has been observed by scientists , the human brain is flatline during that period and so not capable of producing such vivid imageries associated with the phenomenon. Flatline doesn't mean no more activity, but not enough to create the experience.

Instead of disputing what I already explained with facts and evidence, you're casting innuendos everywhere.

And by the way, those who have given different accounts of what they saw after death, including the story the OP narrated. How would they be able to recognize and recall what they saw if the brain doesn't function after death.

1. Once again, I never said the brain is no more "functioning" but has gone flatline. Please use Google to help you understand what that means as it concerns NDE.

2. The brain creating movies in the head is not the same activity as the brain helping you to store information so you remember it later. You don't have any evidence the former can happen during that period You just assume and made a logical leap that since the later is possible then, the former is also possible. That's not scientific thinking. My friend.

You don't even need Google for this things. Sometimes you can just sit and engage your brain.

Instead of wasting my time and directing me to Google, why didn't you just admit you were only engaging you brain to imagine all that you have explained.

If you had admitted that, there won't be any reason for me to drag you any further on this .

Drjones109:
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Jose Hernandez, an avowed atheist, shares how a life-altering incident transformed his perspective. Speaking to the YouTube channel Shaman Oaks, Hernandez recounts his extraordinary journey that began with a routine work assignment as an engineer.

Hernandez's near-death experience occurred while fixing an electrical issue from atop a bucket truck.

I was a staunch atheist. As an engineer, I focused solely on logical explanations," he said. "But that day, everything changed. We were running late, and my partner, concerned for my safety, inadvertently crashed our truck into a tree. The impact left me with multiple broken ribs, and I was rushed to the emergency room.

The critical moment
At the hospital, Hernandez's breathing ceased, and the medical staff fought desperately to save his life.

In that critical moment, he found himself contemplating God, making a promise, "If you get me through this, I'll change."

It was then that he noticed a mysterious presence in the room.

There are many unanswered questions in life - the essence of life, existence beyond our planet, and what lies ahead after death. These mysteries have perplexed brilliant minds worldwide, with divergent beliefs about the afterlife.

While some strongly believe in heaven and hell or reincarnation, others deny the existence of an afterlife, proclaiming that we simply cease to exist. However, one man's encounter during a near-death experience challenges this disbelief.

Jose Hernandez, an avowed atheist, shares how a life-altering incident transformed his perspective. Speaking to the YouTube channel Shaman Oaks, Hernandez recounts his extraordinary journey that began with a routine work assignment as an engineer.

Hernandez's near-death experience occurred while fixing an electrical issue from atop a bucket truck.


"I was a staunch atheist. As an engineer, I focused solely on logical explanations," he said. "But that day, everything changed. We were running late, and my partner, concerned for my safety, inadvertently crashed our truck into a tree. The impact left me with multiple broken ribs, and I was rushed to the emergency room."


The critical moment
At the hospital, Hernandez's breathing ceased, and the medical staff fought desperately to save his life.

In that critical moment, he found himself contemplating God, making a promise, "If you get me through this, I'll change."

It was then that he noticed a mysterious presence in the room.

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"I saw a shadow standing by the door. At that point, I thought, 'I've endured so much in life. Perhaps it's fine to let go.' And the moment the shadow touched my toe, an overwhelming sense of relief, calm, peace, and love engulfed me. It was euphoric."

As medical professionals performed CPR on him, Hernandez claims that the shadow spoke to him.

"Next, I found myself suspended in the corner of the room, observing the resuscitation efforts. A voice beside me said, 'Think of your body as a car. This vehicle has traveled 8 million miles, and there's nothing more we can fix. It's time to bid farewell to your body.' The voice instructed me, 'Okay, it's time to move on.'"

Following this, Hernandez describes a descent into a black hole, where he experienced flying and witnessed mesmerizing cities, breathtaking forests, and wild herds of animals in motion. In this celestial realm, he was assured that he would be able to see his children and, most significantly, he was reunited with his father.

\"When I met my father on the other side, I realized that sometimes we may be unable to express certain things here, but elsewhere, we can.

There's nothing in the narrator's experience that confirms any God or Jesus.

During NDE, people can experience anything, from the very real due to veridical perception,( for example, seeing yourself
in one corner of an operating theatre watching your physical body being operated on by doctors ) to the fantastical which is a product of the beliefs the experiencer is exposed to before having the experience

FRANCISTOWN:
Google is your friend my G.

There's nothing valid in Google to support your conjecture about NDE. .If you disagree,, I challenge you to produce from Google just one valid scientific research done in the past that fully support your description about what happens in the human brain at death.

How is it even possible for the brain of a dead person to still function the way you described it?

Please go back to reread what you explained about the human brain and honestly ask yourself if it makes any sense from a scientific point of view.

When a person is clinically dead, the human brain is flatline and not capable of producing the vivid imageries associated with NDE. This is what scientists who are currently investigating the phenomenon are making us to understand.

If you're still insisting on what you explained about the phenomenon, then I'm afraid you're still anchoring on outdated information in the sciences that are based on speculatory theories by scientists who never had access to modern brain scanners to observe directly what actually goes in the brain of those having the experience


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FRANCISTOWN:
Lol! What a joke early Sunday morning.

Someone already did a good job up there but, lemme just say this as an addition.

You see, there are some activities/knowledge/ideologies that have been integrated into our mind. As time went on, they became so part of us to the extent of moving into our subconscious mind.

This is the same as after death experience. Many people have heard that when you die, you are supposed to meet your maker. Whether you believe it or not, that knowledge is already stationed in the subconscious mind.

Now when you die, your brain being a very powerful mechanism will detect that this user (you) is dead. Then your brain will search it's database for any relevant information relating to being dead. Okay! Think about it, which information do you think your brain will pick from the database? Def. it's the God/heaven/devil/hell thing that you've heard.

So, your brain will create a mental picture of that in your brain.

Ask everyone who's got this after death experience . They always have a different experience as to one another.

Do we even need to talk about this?

How is the bolded still possible with the brain after death?

Any scientific support?

Timoleon:
Your papa.

You should be pitied.

Timoleon:
Shut up with your stupidity abeg. Which church in Nigeria had CCTV 27 years ago. Just dey internet dey type nonsense. Insider information gbuo gi there.

You know nothing.

Timoleon:
Lol...A joke is 27 years old...few weeks old when she was found....you expect CCTV videos from 27 years ago in Nigeria. You try. I know
and tb Joshua follow rape the girl mama but you no cum inside.

You don't know anything about that church. Just keep quiet .

I have insider info to let you know that if Ajoke was actually found outside the church premises under a truck, TB Joshua would have made sure the incident gotten from the CCTV footage was saved, never deleted and used later to promote himself as a good man who adopted an abandoned child.

That's what he does and lives for when alive . He was living a double life. What you saw him displayed in public was all fake The real TB Joshua was not known to people like you .

You can believe what ever you want to believe. I lived in Ikotun before TB Joshua rebranded into a Pentecostal pastor. He was a con man . You were deceived by him that's all.

Go to Ikotun to find out that your so called prophet that you currently worship as a god, even in death, started as a stage magician performing magical tricks to promote himself as somebody with supernatural powers.

Where he was doing that is the river behind the synagogue before it was built.

That and others things I have not mentioned is what Ikotun people knew him for and that's why they won't attend his church or encourage any of their children to .

Don't believe me ,but go to Ikotun and verify from those who knew him before he built the synagogue and you will know the truth.

TB Joshua when alive was a sorcerer and a pathological liar until he took his last breath. That's the sad truth for any of his followers to accept.


The bolded is evidence that the con man actually influenced you to be like him. You mind his messed up and you need serious help.

Timoleon:
CCTV evidence from which year? Lol...una too funny.

7

What do you know?

Nothing

The initial statement by the church was that Ajoke was found abandoned under a truck outside the church premises and later taken to TB Joshua who later decided to adopt her .

If that was exactly what happened, then why is it difficult to provide the evidence of CCTV footage showing when the baby's mother was abandoning her under the truck outside the church ?


I know much about that church to know that they have hidden cameras everywhere that monitors every single thing happening inside and outside the premises. Nothing is missed. Not even a bird flying past, either in broad daylight or at night.

This video released by Scoan is a weak and embarrassing attempt at damage control. It has further exposed TB Joshua as an abuser. He mentally abused the girl in the video.

No matter what she did ,that's certainly not how to treat a child you adopted as your own and who also call you daddy. He was just destroying her without any conscience.

What we now have from the video is another confirmation of what some of us already suspected that Ajoke is TB Joshua's biological daughter from a strange woman, probably one of the disciples he was sexually abusing when he was alive . He didn't know how to deal with it.

He was scared and sensed what was coming after the girl confronted him privately hence his decision to give the her a bad name and disown her in the presence of his church workers and other disciples present while at the same time recording it so that in the future when the poor girl starts to talk it would released to make it difficult for anyone to believe her.


The real truth about TB Joshua is not yet known to the public, especially his followers, who are everywhere defending him . What BBC has exposed is just 5,% . More is coming.

Years ago in this forum and on this board, I described TB Joshua as pure evil who was destroying so many lives and covering it with his outward show of philanthropy.

The people still defending him should be pitied. They're obviously still under a trance the man placed them in when he was alive

jaephoenix:
1. Please point where I said his personal physician would conduct his autopsy? His physician isn't a pathologist, so why should he conduct autopsies?

Please show me where I said you said his personal physician must conduct his autopsy.

2. I specifically told you his death was carried in the media. I wasnt there. And I based my diagnosis based on the reports.

What do you want me to do with your diagnosis that's based on unverified or doctored report from the media ?

So if a physician isn't around when a patient had an event, he(physician) cannot make a diagnosis? So why do sick people go to hospitals and pay huge amount of money to us to treat them if we cannot muster diagnoses(even though we were miles away when the initial causative event happened)? What do you think we were doing during our trainings?

Making a diagnosis when you were not "around" when the" event "happened " is not the same as a patient coming to you for physical examination and testing oga dakitor. You want to confuse me because you are desperate to have the last word ?

A physician can make a 100% diagnosis just by history given anyone, I dont have to there.
Thank you.

Not in all cases Mr dakitor. The matter centres on death and the dead don't speak to any doctor .
You cannot determine the actual cause of death of someone and be 100% sure base on unverified report from more than 20 years ago . You need to carry out a medical investigation to be sure in this case .

Im not interested in any medical guesses from you Mr dakitor so rest .

Kobojunkie:
1. Again, work on keeping up instead. The one comment was connected to the previous one.

No connection at all . You didn't directly respond to what I explained initially. You went off on a tangent instead

2. Am I not allowed to make my thoughts known on what the other revealed? Why is it another person's headache when the opinion I expressed was directed at the person I was in the conversation with abeg?

Am I not allowed to respond to your comments on this board ?

You can freely respond to those of others but don't like it when another person respond to yours . Abi?

I only commented on the thinking outside the box comment of yours . You should have critically reacted to that instead of reacting emotionally to it.

I am not concerned whether he is JW or not. I am not here to enter into one of your many meaningless back and forth with them. I was simply on the subject of cults and the mindset of those in them.

You have mistaken me for another person. .

Who has been having "a meaningless back and forth with them ? I should be saying that of you instead .

Please next time edit your response before hitting the submit button .

Kobojunkie:
Try to keep up please! X

You are the one who has deflected .

I replied to your comment about not understanding how it is possible to sit within a box and still think outside it . I said it is possible and explained . That was it .

So, how those the below concern me , and how does it show not able to think outside the box ?

Op stated that he strongly opposes one thr major views of the organization, a view that directly impacts the development of the youths in the group which he remains a supported of. I liken this to one who proclaims with his tongue to be an atheist all the while attending Christian religious services every other week or similar. What is the point of one action when the other supports the very opposite of what one claims?

So what do you want to do now?

Arrest him for explaining the way he tries to deal with some of the teachings of his group leaders he doesnt agree with ?

You want him to be a zombie who swallows everything he is told without questioning it even when it's not to his best interest .

Unless you are a member of the governing body of the JW or an extremist JW ,both who will certainly frown at his behaviour , there's absolutely nothing wrong with how he is living is life within the group .

His behaviour doesn't even affect you in any way . Just take it easy and don't take Panadol for another's headache .

MaxInDHouse:
Continue deceiving yourself!

Jesus gave us an assignment to preach from house to house and door to door {Matthew 10:11-13} so on that note we aren't representing ourselves when we come to your house to preach (plead) he commanded us to be wise as serpents and harmless as doves while handling the assignment he gave us! Matthew 10:16
But then when we are not at your doorstep to preach you decided to treat us like trash after knowing that this person is one of those that used to come preaching then you decided to treat us the same way you did when we're at your doorstep.
Ọmọ you will regret your action because at that time we are going on our normal daily lives. For instance present a sip of alcoholic beverage to any member of Jehovah's Witnesses while we are going to preach from house to house none of us will take it from you but does that mean JWs don't take alcoholic beverages?
Guy stop deceiving yourself JWs are normal humans like everyone else the only difference is the assignment we carry out in our neighbourhood but it doesn't mean we're stupid o!

Speak for yourself Maximus

The person who opened this thread obviously did so because of you . And it's because ,according to him ,you and your other Jws here are not representing the group very well with the way you react to comments about your organisation .

This is not about your irrelevant talk of drinking alcoholic beverages and the others you want to bring in .

Face him and not me . Prove you are a better and well behaved JW than him
That's all.

MaxInDHouse:
You know better shey?
Continue deceiving yourself.
Why do you think most people come here to say JWs are hypocrites?
Ọmọ it's after trying trash with us and we deal with them that they will start saying such as they took our simplicity for stupidity!

@ the bolded, maybe it's because of a few Jw members like you who say one thing in public and do another when no one is watching . You have no qualms to insult people who challenge you here because the forum is faceless.

You are on your own

Speak for yourself and not others

The jws I know personally offline don't behave they way you do .

I admit there are some who misbehave and don't care what others think of their misbehaviour ,but not all of them do so as you want the public to believe .

You are a different kind of Jw who takes delight in insulting others . That's the truth and you know it .