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Drjones109:
There are many unanswered questions in life - the essence of life, existence beyond our planet, and what lies ahead after death. These mysteries have perplexed brilliant minds worldwide, with divergent beliefs about the afterlife.

While some strongly believe in heaven and hell or reincarnation, others deny the existence of an afterlife, proclaiming that we simply cease to exist. However, one man's encounter during a near-death experience challenges this disbelief.

Jose Hernandez, an avowed atheist, shares how a life-altering incident transformed his perspective. Speaking to the YouTube channel Shaman Oaks, Hernandez recounts his extraordinary journey that began with a routine work assignment as an engineer.

Hernandez's near-death experience occurred while fixing an electrical issue from atop a bucket truck.

I was a staunch atheist. As an engineer, I focused solely on logical explanations," he said. "But that day, everything changed. We were running late, and my partner, concerned for my safety, inadvertently crashed our truck into a tree. The impact left me with multiple broken ribs, and I was rushed to the emergency room.

The critical moment
At the hospital, Hernandez's breathing ceased, and the medical staff fought desperately to save his life.

In that critical moment, he found himself contemplating God, making a promise, "If you get me through this, I'll change."

It was then that he noticed a mysterious presence in the room.

There are many unanswered questions in life - the essence of life, existence beyond our planet, and what lies ahead after death. These mysteries have perplexed brilliant minds worldwide, with divergent beliefs about the afterlife.

While some strongly believe in heaven and hell or reincarnation, others deny the existence of an afterlife, proclaiming that we simply cease to exist. However, one man's encounter during a near-death experience challenges this disbelief.

Jose Hernandez, an avowed atheist, shares how a life-altering incident transformed his perspective. Speaking to the YouTube channel Shaman Oaks, Hernandez recounts his extraordinary journey that began with a routine work assignment as an engineer.

Hernandez's near-death experience occurred while fixing an electrical issue from atop a bucket truck.


"I was a staunch atheist. As an engineer, I focused solely on logical explanations," he said. "But that day, everything changed. We were running late, and my partner, concerned for my safety, inadvertently crashed our truck into a tree. The impact left me with multiple broken ribs, and I was rushed to the emergency room."


The critical moment
At the hospital, Hernandez's breathing ceased, and the medical staff fought desperately to save his life.

In that critical moment, he found himself contemplating God, making a promise, "If you get me through this, I'll change."

It was then that he noticed a mysterious presence in the room.

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"I saw a shadow standing by the door. At that point, I thought, 'I've endured so much in life. Perhaps it's fine to let go.' And the moment the shadow touched my toe, an overwhelming sense of relief, calm, peace, and love engulfed me. It was euphoric."

As medical professionals performed CPR on him, Hernandez claims that the shadow spoke to him.

"Next, I found myself suspended in the corner of the room, observing the resuscitation efforts. A voice beside me said, 'Think of your body as a car. This vehicle has traveled 8 million miles, and there's nothing more we can fix. It's time to bid farewell to your body.' The voice instructed me, 'Okay, it's time to move on.'"

Following this, Hernandez describes a descent into a black hole, where he experienced flying and witnessed mesmerizing cities, breathtaking forests, and wild herds of animals in motion. In this celestial realm, he was assured that he would be able to see his children and, most significantly, he was reunited with his father.

\"When I met my father on the other side, I realized that sometimes we may be unable to express certain things here, but elsewhere, we can.

There's nothing in the narrator's experience that confirms any God or Jesus.

During NDE, people can experience anything, from the very real due to veridical perception,( for example, seeing yourself
in one corner of an operating theatre watching your physical body being operated on by doctors ) to the fantastical which is a product of the beliefs the experiencer is exposed to before having the experience

FRANCISTOWN:
Google is your friend my G.

There's nothing valid in Google to support your conjecture about NDE. .If you disagree,, I challenge you to produce from Google just one valid scientific research done in the past that fully support your description about what happens in the human brain at death.

How is it even possible for the brain of a dead person to still function the way you described it?

Please go back to reread what you explained about the human brain and honestly ask yourself if it makes any sense from a scientific point of view.

When a person is clinically dead, the human brain is flatline and not capable of producing the vivid imageries associated with NDE. This is what scientists who are currently investigating the phenomenon are making us to understand.

If you're still insisting on what you explained about the phenomenon, then I'm afraid you're still anchoring on outdated information in the sciences that are based on speculatory theories by scientists who never had access to modern brain scanners to observe directly what actually goes in the brain of those having the experience


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FRANCISTOWN:
Lol! What a joke early Sunday morning.

Someone already did a good job up there but, lemme just say this as an addition.

You see, there are some activities/knowledge/ideologies that have been integrated into our mind. As time went on, they became so part of us to the extent of moving into our subconscious mind.

This is the same as after death experience. Many people have heard that when you die, you are supposed to meet your maker. Whether you believe it or not, that knowledge is already stationed in the subconscious mind.

Now when you die, your brain being a very powerful mechanism will detect that this user (you) is dead. Then your brain will search it's database for any relevant information relating to being dead. Okay! Think about it, which information do you think your brain will pick from the database? Def. it's the God/heaven/devil/hell thing that you've heard.

So, your brain will create a mental picture of that in your brain.

Ask everyone who's got this after death experience . They always have a different experience as to one another.

Do we even need to talk about this?

How is the bolded still possible with the brain after death?

Any scientific support?

Timoleon:
Your papa.

You should be pitied.

Timoleon:
Shut up with your stupidity abeg. Which church in Nigeria had CCTV 27 years ago. Just dey internet dey type nonsense. Insider information gbuo gi there.

You know nothing.

Timoleon:
Lol...A joke is 27 years old...few weeks old when she was found....you expect CCTV videos from 27 years ago in Nigeria. You try. I know
and tb Joshua follow rape the girl mama but you no cum inside.

You don't know anything about that church. Just keep quiet .

I have insider info to let you know that if Ajoke was actually found outside the church premises under a truck, TB Joshua would have made sure the incident gotten from the CCTV footage was saved, never deleted and used later to promote himself as a good man who adopted an abandoned child.

That's what he does and lives for when alive . He was living a double life. What you saw him displayed in public was all fake The real TB Joshua was not known to people like you .

You can believe what ever you want to believe. I lived in Ikotun before TB Joshua rebranded into a Pentecostal pastor. He was a con man . You were deceived by him that's all.

Go to Ikotun to find out that your so called prophet that you currently worship as a god, even in death, started as a stage magician performing magical tricks to promote himself as somebody with supernatural powers.

Where he was doing that is the river behind the synagogue before it was built.

That and others things I have not mentioned is what Ikotun people knew him for and that's why they won't attend his church or encourage any of their children to .

Don't believe me ,but go to Ikotun and verify from those who knew him before he built the synagogue and you will know the truth.

TB Joshua when alive was a sorcerer and a pathological liar until he took his last breath. That's the sad truth for any of his followers to accept.


The bolded is evidence that the con man actually influenced you to be like him. You mind his messed up and you need serious help.

Timoleon:
CCTV evidence from which year? Lol...una too funny.

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What do you know?

Nothing

The initial statement by the church was that Ajoke was found abandoned under a truck outside the church premises and later taken to TB Joshua who later decided to adopt her .

If that was exactly what happened, then why is it difficult to provide the evidence of CCTV footage showing when the baby's mother was abandoning her under the truck outside the church ?


I know much about that church to know that they have hidden cameras everywhere that monitors every single thing happening inside and outside the premises. Nothing is missed. Not even a bird flying past, either in broad daylight or at night.

This video released by Scoan is a weak and embarrassing attempt at damage control. It has further exposed TB Joshua as an abuser. He mentally abused the girl in the video.

No matter what she did ,that's certainly not how to treat a child you adopted as your own and who also call you daddy. He was just destroying her without any conscience.

What we now have from the video is another confirmation of what some of us already suspected that Ajoke is TB Joshua's biological daughter from a strange woman, probably one of the disciples he was sexually abusing when he was alive . He didn't know how to deal with it.

He was scared and sensed what was coming after the girl confronted him privately hence his decision to give the her a bad name and disown her in the presence of his church workers and other disciples present while at the same time recording it so that in the future when the poor girl starts to talk it would released to make it difficult for anyone to believe her.


The real truth about TB Joshua is not yet known to the public, especially his followers, who are everywhere defending him . What BBC has exposed is just 5,% . More is coming.

Years ago in this forum and on this board, I described TB Joshua as pure evil who was destroying so many lives and covering it with his outward show of philanthropy.

The people still defending him should be pitied. They're obviously still under a trance the man placed them in when he was alive

jaephoenix:
1. Please point where I said his personal physician would conduct his autopsy? His physician isn't a pathologist, so why should he conduct autopsies?

Please show me where I said you said his personal physician must conduct his autopsy.

2. I specifically told you his death was carried in the media. I wasnt there. And I based my diagnosis based on the reports.

What do you want me to do with your diagnosis that's based on unverified or doctored report from the media ?

So if a physician isn't around when a patient had an event, he(physician) cannot make a diagnosis? So why do sick people go to hospitals and pay huge amount of money to us to treat them if we cannot muster diagnoses(even though we were miles away when the initial causative event happened)? What do you think we were doing during our trainings?

Making a diagnosis when you were not "around" when the" event "happened " is not the same as a patient coming to you for physical examination and testing oga dakitor. You want to confuse me because you are desperate to have the last word ?

A physician can make a 100% diagnosis just by history given anyone, I dont have to there.
Thank you.

Not in all cases Mr dakitor. The matter centres on death and the dead don't speak to any doctor .
You cannot determine the actual cause of death of someone and be 100% sure base on unverified report from more than 20 years ago . You need to carry out a medical investigation to be sure in this case .

Im not interested in any medical guesses from you Mr dakitor so rest .

Kobojunkie:
1. Again, work on keeping up instead. The one comment was connected to the previous one.

No connection at all . You didn't directly respond to what I explained initially. You went off on a tangent instead

2. Am I not allowed to make my thoughts known on what the other revealed? Why is it another person's headache when the opinion I expressed was directed at the person I was in the conversation with abeg?

Am I not allowed to respond to your comments on this board ?

You can freely respond to those of others but don't like it when another person respond to yours . Abi?

I only commented on the thinking outside the box comment of yours . You should have critically reacted to that instead of reacting emotionally to it.

I am not concerned whether he is JW or not. I am not here to enter into one of your many meaningless back and forth with them. I was simply on the subject of cults and the mindset of those in them.

You have mistaken me for another person. .

Who has been having "a meaningless back and forth with them ? I should be saying that of you instead .

Please next time edit your response before hitting the submit button .

Kobojunkie:
Try to keep up please! X

You are the one who has deflected .

I replied to your comment about not understanding how it is possible to sit within a box and still think outside it . I said it is possible and explained . That was it .

So, how those the below concern me , and how does it show not able to think outside the box ?

Op stated that he strongly opposes one thr major views of the organization, a view that directly impacts the development of the youths in the group which he remains a supported of. I liken this to one who proclaims with his tongue to be an atheist all the while attending Christian religious services every other week or similar. What is the point of one action when the other supports the very opposite of what one claims?

So what do you want to do now?

Arrest him for explaining the way he tries to deal with some of the teachings of his group leaders he doesnt agree with ?

You want him to be a zombie who swallows everything he is told without questioning it even when it's not to his best interest .

Unless you are a member of the governing body of the JW or an extremist JW ,both who will certainly frown at his behaviour , there's absolutely nothing wrong with how he is living is life within the group .

His behaviour doesn't even affect you in any way . Just take it easy and don't take Panadol for another's headache .

MaxInDHouse:
Continue deceiving yourself!

Jesus gave us an assignment to preach from house to house and door to door {Matthew 10:11-13} so on that note we aren't representing ourselves when we come to your house to preach (plead) he commanded us to be wise as serpents and harmless as doves while handling the assignment he gave us! Matthew 10:16
But then when we are not at your doorstep to preach you decided to treat us like trash after knowing that this person is one of those that used to come preaching then you decided to treat us the same way you did when we're at your doorstep.
Ọmọ you will regret your action because at that time we are going on our normal daily lives. For instance present a sip of alcoholic beverage to any member of Jehovah's Witnesses while we are going to preach from house to house none of us will take it from you but does that mean JWs don't take alcoholic beverages?
Guy stop deceiving yourself JWs are normal humans like everyone else the only difference is the assignment we carry out in our neighbourhood but it doesn't mean we're stupid o!

Speak for yourself Maximus

The person who opened this thread obviously did so because of you . And it's because ,according to him ,you and your other Jws here are not representing the group very well with the way you react to comments about your organisation .

This is not about your irrelevant talk of drinking alcoholic beverages and the others you want to bring in .

Face him and not me . Prove you are a better and well behaved JW than him
That's all.

MaxInDHouse:
You know better shey?
Continue deceiving yourself.
Why do you think most people come here to say JWs are hypocrites?
Ọmọ it's after trying trash with us and we deal with them that they will start saying such as they took our simplicity for stupidity!

@ the bolded, maybe it's because of a few Jw members like you who say one thing in public and do another when no one is watching . You have no qualms to insult people who challenge you here because the forum is faceless.

You are on your own

Speak for yourself and not others

The jws I know personally offline don't behave they way you do .

I admit there are some who misbehave and don't care what others think of their misbehaviour ,but not all of them do so as you want the public to believe .

You are a different kind of Jw who takes delight in insulting others . That's the truth and you know it .

MaxInDHouse:
So you think the name "Jehovah's Witnesses" means people who are programmed not to be abusive even though you insult them shey?

Try that with JWs when we're not in the field service nah, in fact some will deal with you to an extent you will never try nonsense with the JW you meet next time.

Christ Jesus didn't teach us to be quiet when a faithless miscreant is accusing us wrongly neither did he teach us to be stupid rather we look at situations surrounding the matter so as to know the next action we will take.

If you don't abuse or insult people no one will do so to you {Matthew 7:12} you can't start calling me names simply because of my faith and expect me to be quiet of course i will put you where you rightly belong!

And you think I don't have family members and friends who are JW to know better . Dey play

Kobojunkie:
I honestly don't get this mentality of yours at all. What meaning is there to claiming one thinks outside of the box all the while sitting tight within the same box?

There's some sense in what the op said

Thinking does not involve physical movement. You don't think with your legs..

So it's very possible to sit within the box and still think beyond what is contained in the box

NowYouKnow:
I registered on nairaland last month and my intention was to make educative posts in the education section but now I am being forced to make a thread here in the religion section.

I have observed that the Organisation I belong to ( Christian Congregation of Jehovah's witnesses) is constantly under attack and to make matters worse, certain individuals claiming to be witnesses have been a contributing factor to the unnecessary attacks on my organisation. Whether these individuals are really members of my organisation is a question I can't answer. But one thing I will tell you is their conduct and speech in this forum does not in anyway represent that of a member of the Christian Congregation of Jehovah's witnesses.

The purpose of this thread is to answer any question anyone may have truthfully and honestly starting with the most common: Are Jehovah's witnesses a cult?

Stay tuned and follow along.

Good you are here .

Though I'm not a witness ,the JW I know outside this furom are mostly well behaved .

The ones here are quick to insult ,abuse you and engage in barefaced lies without shame .

jaephoenix:
I'm not his personal physician, but I'm a physician myself. I was not there when the man died, I based my provisional diagnosis based on media reports about his death which may be biased. So from those reports, the only diagnosis I came come up with is an arrest. I may be wrong based on incorrect premise. The only way to know 100% about his CoD was an autopsy, not even what his personal physician says

And when the autopsy is done ,the personal physician is prevented from knowing about it ?.

I never said the personal physician must be the one to carry out the autopsy . If one was done ,I believe he or she should be in a better position to know how it went and let the public know if need be.


At the begining you sounded so confident as if you were certain about what actually killed him ,and went on to lecture me the difference between heart attack and cardiac arrest as if I don't know that .

But it has turned out you were just guessing oncerning cause of death since you don't have all the facts of the case .

Why waste my time with all this back and forth about what you are not sure of? I only reported a rumor concerning his death and not fact .

Please rest .

jaephoenix:
History means the story surrounding his death.
It was said he sat down and simply slumped.

That's a classic arrest

You have based your diagnosis on mere rumors . If that you mentioned never happened ,how would you know?

But assuming it were true , how did you confirm he didn't die from that given the fact that in some few cases it could be fatal ?

One can only begin to listen to you if you were his personal physician or can provide evidence of what
actually caused his death .

jaephoenix:
From The history, it looked like an arrest, and not attack. The latter isn't usually fatal but the former is

From which history ?

I'm afraid you are addressing something that has nothing to do with me

I did not confirm anything about what caused his death

I only reported what I got on the grapevine ,meaning, it was mere rumor and not fact.

So I don't understand why you continue to drag this as if I reported something factual .

jaephoenix:
Cardiac arrest, not heart attack. Heart attacks come with overwhelming chest pains and it is usually obvious. I have seen patients with attacks. Their expressions are interesting… they think they are about to die. Arrests are different. The patient kinda like 'gives up' especially PEAs

Oh! you confirmed he died of cardiac arrest and not heart attack ?

Wisegeek01:
Here's the opinion you wont see anywhere on the internet . .. and you are hearing it for the first time
Sit tight !!


The phrase what are you brining to the table .. has grossly been misunderstood, some men that even ask the question don't even know why they are asking the question, while on the other hand some women fly into a fit of rage or keep dodging the question, why they are angry they don't even know, its just a psychological impulse,

first of all it is not mandatory for the lady to actually bring finance into the mix but it helps so that should not be the centre of the question, so the men asking and referring to finance really shouldn't do that, focus on what she is supposed to bring

.. its not her job to bring finance, so if you are referring to that you are asking the wrong contextual question, a lady actually has what she should bring to the table, but sadly not a lot of ladies have taken their time to sit down and think about the question, because the are always offended or defensive, its just a simple question, that you need to understand, its not you mdfkn job to bring finance, that is what the man should bring to the table,

what the lady brings to the table .. ranges from
great values
Emotional Intelligence
Attention to Detail
Organizational Skills
Nurture and Care
Empathy and Compassion
Collaborative Spirit
Multitasking Abilities
Intuition
Social Skills
Diplomacy
Support

when you list these features and tell the man you posses these traits
now it's your turn to ask him
what does he bring to the table
...
he should have most of these below
finance
protection
security
Leadership
Decision-Making Skills
Stability
Emotional Support
Problem-Solving Abilities
Initiative
Adaptability
Sense of Humor
Integrity
Shared Responsibilities

marriage or relationship is team effort, not competition
the next time i hear that question in the wrong context I fit flog person

Whar you explained up there is exactly what it means . It's not financial contribution as most Nigerians ignorantly assume .

Anything you bring that can keep the union going is what you have brought to the table, not necessary money .

Kepukepu:
. As a matter of fact, the best thinkers in the society usually do not engage in politics. They are usually in the background solving problems. I don't know why this is hard for you to grasp

I prefer to respond to the above irrational talk separately here .

You said,

That "as a matter of fact the best thinkers usually do not engage in politics ? Who tells you that ?

And you ended it arrogantly with "why is it hard for you to grasp"

Imagine the nonsense talk coming from someone who cannot defend his own op or even know what politics is .

SMH

If you say the "best thinkers" don't usually engage in politics ,then tell me, who are the people formulating the policies for the effective governance of any given country especially in societies that highly organised , where nearly everything is running perfectly well .

See what I mean ? You want to use deceptive argument to hold on to your falsehood. It has failed again .

If you don't know what politics is because you never hard the opportunity of studying government in secondary school ,please go read it up and get better informed .

Some of the finest thinkers humanity has ever had were into politics , political theorist who came up with ideas to guide political thought .

Karl max,Jonh Locke, Adam Smith ,Plato ,Hegel,,Heidegger and others both in the ancient and modern times .

Political scientist are the brainbox of politics and you say the "best thinkers" don't usually engage in it ?

Every field of human endeavor has a vital role to play in any given society to makes things run smoothly.

Politics is very important and that's why it will always attract the "best thinkers" just like any other field .

And if those who engage in politics don't come up with effective ways to manage and organise their societies ,there would complete breakdown of law and order . .

It is not a compulsory that you contest in an election before it is siad you are engaging in politics . It's what I think you don't know

Kepukepu:
Again, religion attracts the least thinkers. And not the least intelligent.

I have not said it attracts the least intelligent . You are the one now saying so ,and keep repeating it like a bot in order to run away from responding critically to my counter argument .

The only time I made use of that word ,intelligent , in my initial response , was when I hastily typed, intelligent instead of thinker . an obvious mistake which I already explained . But assuming it wasn't even that , were you blind to the fact it was placed in quotes ?

If you really know what it means to place a word in quotation marks ,it's obvious you don't , you would have known better not to interprete it literally. You should have asked me first if you were confused and not sure why I placed it in quotes or look at the surrounding context to make you understand I was actually referring to the same thing, "least thinkers " , your own expression ,and easily spot the typo.



Unfortunately, you are still stuck with that and continue to use it to reply unthinkingly that you , not me ,cannot differentiate between the two .

Is the op on the difference between least thinker and least intelligent ,Mr critical thinker ?

Ok, prove to me and anyone following that based on what I argued that my inability to know the difference between the two terms is why I have misunderstood the op .

Prove my wrong If you can and I will shut up forever . If you cannot ,them shame on you .

Bring what I have argued and use it to prove your accusation .

I'm waiting .


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The president of United States is not necessarily the best thinker in United States. As a matter of fact, the best thinkers in the society usually do not engage in politics. They are usually in the background solving problems. I don't know why this is hard for you to grasp

And where did I use the word ,best thinker to describe him ? I only asked you if he lacks the capacity to think critically but you have turned it to "best thinker " Go back to reread my initial response and confirm for yourself .

It's clear to me your imagination is already running riot . Please take charge of it and stop putting words in my mouth .

You argued that religion attracts the "least thinkers" ,those who lack the ability to think critically , and I countered that by saying it also attract the "highest thinkers" everywhere . And I explained why, but you ignored it so you can continue to hold on to the falsehood that religion only attracts the least thinkers .

The evidence that is out there is that religion attracts all manner of persons from the "least to the highest thinkers"

You are a typical atheist who is only willing to see things from your own perspective and that's why you blind to this obvious fact which everyone knows .

FYI, I'm not a theist and I'm saying this because I already can sense that you think I'm one and hence want to do everything to win an argument even to the extent of using sheer humbug, believing I won't be able to detect . You failed already and woefully .

I'm not interested if you cannot respond to what I have said against the topic initially . I don't completely agree with it and have given reasons . Deal with that .

Kepukepu:
Again, you are still struggling to grasp the difference between intelligence and critical thinking.

Who is now talking about the difference between intelligence and critical thinking if not you ? And how does that even concern me?



Focus on the op and stop deflecting.

I ask again ,

Is the critical facutjy skills of the president of the United States , and others like him ,not fully developed to make them embrace a religion ?

You cannot answer because you don't even understand your own op

Kepukepu:
I think you are the person who didn't understand my post. Why not go back?

I understood everything perfectly well and I have responded accordingly . You are not the first person to have created this kind of topic here and so nothing new I cannot understand .

That aside , instead of deflecting to finding fault where there's none or to questioning my understanding , I expected you to have by now responded critically to my initial response to the topic .

Incase you missed it the first time , here again is my major argument agaijst the op ;

If religion attracts the "least thinkers" according to you ,how come it's also attracting the highest thinkers in our midst ?

I cited the example of the president of theUS and then asked you if his critical faculty skills are not fully developed . No answer from you yet and you want to talk about not understanding what?




There are millions of people, if not bilions, in the world today ,whose critical faculty skills are fully developed but still practice a religion or are attracted to it .

If you don't have an answer to this ,then simply admit it so we don't waste each other's time .

Thank you

Kepukepu:
show me where I tagged religious people "least intelligent".

I think that "least thinkers" and "least intelligent" are 2 different things.
The difference between critical thinking and intelligence is that critical thinking is a skill, while intelligence is a trait. Critical thinking is the ability to analyze information and make rational decisions, while intelligence refers to a person's overall mental abilities. So, someone can be very intelligent, but not necessarily a good critical thinker. And vice versa, someone can be a great critical thinker but not particularly intelligent. Does that make sense?

So you can be intelligent but you do not posses critical thinking skill. Religion attract will most likely attract these set of people

I will respond to all of the above later when I'm less busy.

But in the meantime if you go back to read what I posted earlier you will see where I quoted you correctly "least thinkers " at the beginning to let you know the last one was an error .

Kepukepu:
Whether or not you are religious or not, we can all agree that in religion, logic does not really work but belief. You cannot apply critical thinking to explaining religious tenets, else you will start questioning most of them.

This is why religion will almost always attract least thinkers among us. Religion does not like critical thinking, if you apply critical thinking you cannot believe and religion is base on beliefs.

This is not to say that beliefs do not have some personal benefits. Thank you

In these parts, poverty and poor education are the main reason religion "always attract the least thinkers ". Boko Haram understands this very well ,hence they say "no to western education "

In countries where things work, with citizens having easy access to good quality education ,people living there are only interested in practicing a religion because of what they hope to benefit from it and not necessarily because they cannot think critically or are "least thinkers " .The president of the United States of America ,the most powerful country in the world, is a religious person, a Christian .

Does he lack the capacity to think critically ?

Religious beliefs are founded on two major things ,the personal experiences of the believer while practicing the religion ,and what is contain in religious text.

You are focused on the latter, which they don't really hold on strongly to, and hence don't have the correct perspective on things .

There will always come a time in man's life when things go south and all the things one knows no longer work to deal with the situation ,logic and rational thinking fails and one is left confused ,with depression starting to set in.

It's at this point some persons are forced to embrace a religion to bring calm to their minds and not because they lack the capacity to think critically .

So before you start to judge anyone as "least intelligent " because they practice a religion try to understand what exactly it's that has caused them to do what they are doing .

chieveboy:
Agreed, the drift (a very big one) is: this electrocution measured let's say in 50kw will register and be experienced differently relative to body-mass, bio-electric state of the cells, etc.

The difference is not the relevant thing here but the fact that anyone who handles it has an experience of it as proof of it's existence .

Maynman:
Boy, you need, eyes, ears, noses, skins and brains to perceive REALITY, without it you cannot.

Close your eyes and think of a color that has not existed before...

@cheiveboy. See what I mean? . You failed to grasp what he meant the first time

chieveboy:
Okay, I will insult you small

This is the first time you have really showed us you have 'number 6'. Impressive!

Lordreed, triplechoice

The stone the builders have rejected o...
Mayman has cracked the code for you guys.

Are you sure you understand what he explained ?

chieveboy:
Ah, and I will really love to hear your views on the yardsticks aused to determine Objectivity. I will do this popcorn in hand.

Cc lordreed.

Anyone,who handles, without any form of protection , a high tension cable carrying electricity, will surely be electrocuted .Not "agreeing "won't save you .

I have just given you something to work with to get your answer yourself .