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Afromentalist:
You must be another one that mistakes me for Billionaire. I am not Billionaire, another person has suggested his new moniker in an earlier post.

Hope you have not abandoned what you started?

Ignore these fellas trying to detail the thread.They are incapable of knowing the difference .

Billionaire was in the habit of posting a mishmash of fiction and a dash of half-truth as esoteric knowledge.Non of his ideas could be validated.

Before he deactivated his account ,some persons asked him to provide the source for his teachings or the means by which they could be demonstrated.He never could do that but continue to ramble.

So I wonder how anyone could compare you what that guy.It would only take a miracle for anyone to suddenly change their written style.
Like I already mentioned before ,what you are starting to present is not unfamiliar.infact current pyschology studies have already confirmed some of them.Anyone who is not lazy can do a Google research to confirm this.

Billionaire was a master of telling talltales. So please just ignore this derailers and continue.If there is anythingI i do not agree with I will draw your attention to it

LordReed:
I don't believe in spirits and even I can recognize that this would be the outcome of such a practice. To me it can be likened to substance dependence, you go from enhancing your life to having a crutch which is less effective as time goes on, leaving you broken at some point.

Yes you are correct . This is what it is. It results in dependence when you rely on an imagined external entity for support.

@Afromentalist

I have gone through your post
on the use of an egrregore(thoughtform) in achieving ones goal and would like to say that all the things you have said are true..

From my own personal experiences, having been part of an esoteric group with a powerful egrregore, (what I was made to believe) I know things can get very easy for the practioner especially when they get engossed in it but this comes with a price

Most who use and advocate it(egrregore) usually do not have the correct perspective of what they into.The few who know what is going on are unwilling to tell the truth but there are the sincere ones who tell it all. I was fortunate that my path crossed the later if not I believe I would still be entrapped.
Yes egrregore results in spiritual (psychological ) slavery because you unconsciously give your powers away to an external entity without realising what you are doing.Its limitations becomes your limitations .
I am against mind control and want to be in charge of my God given destiny

Afromentalist:
Lesson 2: Mastering the Programming language is mastering the Grace / Luck phenomenom.

If Luck is therefore the programming language then mastering the program is key to mastering luck.

Remaining in the analogy of computers and programs, if a computer is programmed to walk and you rather want to drive (a car), how can you achieve this? There are two possibilities:

1- either you create an accessory program / tool that will convert the walking into driving (thereby ending with two programs ultimately instead of one)
2- Or you reprogram the computer fundamentally to change its purpose.

The first option is the easiest, while the second option is the most effective.

In human terms, there are two ways to change the course of your life to bring about your desired aim: the first is to use a complimentary created entity, and the second is to change your inner programming at the core level.

Let's now analyse the first option.

This is achieved through the use of an often ignored but critical concept called egregore and its natural derivative (or cause) the thoughtform. Let's pause here to break down for you what is an egregore (and a Thought form).

A thought form is simply the etheric form that our thoughts take. When you think about a sexy lady a sexy lady like -form is created that hangs around you. When you entertain your hatred for Buhari, a Hating Buhari like form is created and hangs around you. The greater the intensity of the thought, the stronger the thoughtform becomes.

Now, similar thoughtforms tend to attract each other and form massive global entities that we call Egregores. An Egregore is thus a collection of thoughtforms. The mechanism that makes this happen is beyond the point of our expose right here, so for now let's ignore it.

Yes, you guessed right. We actually live in a world of egregores. Michael Jackson, Ronaldo, Mc donalds, etc, beyond their mere human forms are now egregores. Religious gods like Jesus, Buddha and the rest are equally egregores. This is the reason why people would fall upon hearing Michael Jackson sing.

This is the reason why Buhari supporters would trek from lagos to Abuja to secure his victory. It is the reason why people will shout chanji and be totally convinced that a 70 years old man will bring the needed change. Egregore is the name of the game.

An egregore is nourrished by the addition of the intensity of the individual thoughtforms that make composed it. Beyond a threshold, an Egregore becomes self conscious, independent and can even become immortal and very powerful (like Jesus or Buddha).

Now how does that help us?

Someone that wants to provok grace in his life can use an egregore as his first option. If you can identify an egregore that goes in line with your objectives in life, and if you can get the key to tap into that egregore supply of power, you will immediately experience grace / luck in your endeavor.

This however, although it is the most common approach, is not the best, and we shall see why.

cc. Lordreed tripplechoice gensteejay

Following. But will respond later as I am busy now

Afromentalist:
I am curious about that.

I am at mere introduction and you seem to be very confident as to the nature of what I am about to share. You can always share your own perception. The more, the merrier. Like the french say: "plus on est de fous, plus on rit"

There is nothing hidden anymore.The problem is that most people refused to wake up and see what's going on around them .

Using your word ,I would describe myself as a "Mentalist". What you are starting to describe is what I have been practicing for years now and I know it works.

If it's okay by you I would share some things I know at the right time..But not now as I think it would distruptive

osaskywire:
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nope but have heard from someone that tried it

I just hope you are joking if not asking someone to use something (voodoo)you yourself have not tried is pure wickedness.

Do you know that such things when not done correctly can create further problems for the individual who tries it?

gensteejay:
His posts will always be difficult for most, since they are religionists, who rely on only their holy books for knowledge and wisdom.

You don't expect someone that doesn't read widely to understand some posts containing deep, esoteric messages.

It's like asking a primary school pupil to grasp calculus.

My initial response was to let you know that the op is not Billionaire's due an analysis of the diction used . In this current time there is nothing esoteric here.
The subject matter in this op is no more hidden. It's already common knowledge but for the fearful religious person it's obscure and forbidden knowledge

gensteejay:
You're clearly among the few, who hold that notion.

He's never been so to many of us that read a lot.

Saying that he obfuscate is no enough for to judge me as someone who does not read enough.?

My comments was to draw a comparison to let you see the difference
Billionaire's discourse has never been difficult for me but I am aware that for most on this board it's difficult

If you claim to know much because you read a lot then I wonder why you lack the ability to see things from another's perspective

gensteejay:
Billionaire, welcome back, sir!

The op is clearly thought out in simple language and so it can never be Billionaire's.

Billionaire is always obfuscating

JadeBouquet75:
I always thought witchcraft was restricted to ugly old women in the village until this woman started disturbing my sleep from as far back as 2010.
Do you know what is called "sleep paralysis"?
That's what its supposed to be evidently but not when you see the same person consistently inside your house at night as if through a trance before the supposed "sleep paralysis" occurs.
As "beautiful" as she is, she is actually a large brown owl at night. She has been suspected of causing a number of deaths including that of her senior wife and sister-in-law. She is also suspected to have initiated a large number of children in her old neighborhood of Ovie Palace road, Effurun, Warri.
I want to see if her witchcraft will crash my phone before I post this because their witchcraft powers are amusingly stunted in the face of technology. They thrive in secrecy but I am bent on exposing this one's secret to the world.
Her name is Veronica Ighomuaye.
I have no idea if her husband & kids are aware of her nocturnal activities because she never seems to plague them only outsiders. Maybe they're all the same gang, who knows?
She's from Agbarho, Delta State.

You may have created this problem for yourself due to the gossips you have heard about her in the past.
When you lack the ability to control your mind or you don't know how,(a great majority of people are in this category) it can create all sorts of phenomenal which may appear real to you .
From what I know of dreams,the person who has been appearing to you might actually be an aspect of your personality which you're living in denial of in your waking life.In other words the woman in your dream might be you and her constant appearance could be a warning for you to change something about yourself which to your mind the woman represent.The reason the experience has not stopped.
If someone were to do this sort thing which you have done by posting your photograph online and tagging you a witch how would you describe the person? a witch or?
Please be sure of what you're doing because the spiritual consequences of tagging an innocent person a witch is usually severe

Maximus69:
It's not about me Sir!

I'm an advocate of unism and i strongly believe (trust) in collective responsibility to make this planet a Paradise for all.

First of all before there can be PEACE there must be unity and accountability, this will help a lot because each person will know that his freedom is relative to the well being of his neighbour.

To illustrate think of fabrics and designs, we have silk, cotton, linen and wool.
Each person have the designer of his choice, but some after putting on their clothes look so awful, some due to how heavy the fabric finds it difficult to move around in their clothes, some are so tight that they can hardly move, still others fall due to the way their clothes were poorly stitched. So some people are now suggesting that it's better to go nakedly because the clothes have been causing so much trouble for those wearing them.

My point is instead of outrightly condemning clothing why not consider the BEST DESIGNER through the way his clients are well dressed and move with elegance?

The main purpose of clothing is to cover our bodies but when you now suggest we should all get rid of clothes simply because of quack designers, then something is wrong somewhere!

The true God is the best designer and his fabric is the Bible, demons are also designers as well but these ones design the fabric according to the likeness of their clients, so if you don't carefully study each model and their movement you will subscribe for nudity!

I'm here to tell anyone to believe in my God, but what i'm saying if you scrap religion completely things will totally get out of hand!

There would be peace in the world when we can find a way to tolerate the next person whose actions does not affect us in anyway.It doesn't take an affiliation to any religious group before this can be done.This is what some of us are saying but you continue to insist it's not possible unless the whole world join your group that takes instructions from an imaginary designer .

As for your clothing analogy, nobody is asking you to go naked but that it's possible to determine by yourself the right clothing to put on.Its only a child or someone whose critical faculty skill is not fully developed that would need external control all the time to know the appropriate material to wear. If you feel you're incapable of doing things by yourself , then you need to realize that it's your own personal problem don't drag every into it.

Maximus69:
You don't understand what i'm saying here.

There is absolute control when you're not given any reason why someone is about to change your thought or decision. According to the Bible, God gives reasons why he is giving us directions that's totally contrary to out thoughts.

But when we're talking about God, everyone needs to know the practical application of whatever God says, that's what makes it easier for people to reason and get along with such counsel!

What atheists are saying is "there is no God" so if any of them comes forward to tell you what to do, he/she is about to become your God!

This is what you still don't understand.
Someone says there is no God or your God does not exist.
You have not been able to convince him or provide proof that you God exist but you insist he must obey the instructions coming from this God you have not been able to convince him exist..How is that possible?

He also tells you he is able to do the right thing without been told what to do by any God but you reject this and say it's not possible for anyone to do the right thing without believing in your God.This is the crux of the matter

Convince him that your God exist then the rest becomes easy.
I am not an atheist .My only interest in this matter is the issue of allowing other people to control your mind .

Maximus69:
The only problem here is when someone who feels like being absolutely free wants to drag those who really don't want such freedom along with herself!

ATHEISM is about absolute freedom and a feeling of intense hatred for mind control, so if you belong to such a faculty the only way to justify your stand is to keep quiet and allow each person to choose what they want.

You can't eat your cake and have it, the right to change or control other people's thoughts belongs to religionists NOT atheists who feels it's a crime controlling other people's minds!

So in a nutshell, if you're an atheist you have no business trying to convince (change) other people's minds on what they CHOSE to do!

Don't think you know what you have just Said.

You become a psychological slave when you allow others to have absolute control over your mind.Its your God given right to decide what to think . Don't allow anyone deny you this

Bigflamie:


Guys have deployed new system of yahoo, just get a small kid then let the kid act your script with your camera on standby then wait for the outcome of the publicity.

And you think the bank has no CCTV to investigate what actually happened on that day?
Just look at the number of persons who have liked your unintelligent post.

Janosky:
Pls feel free to apply your post to yourself first before you can apply it to others...

I don't know what are thinking now.My post didnot attack you in any way.
Was only supporting what you already said about Oladegbu.

Janosky:
OLAADEGBU is a cultist himself because all the bullet points are very obvious in the personality cult of men you have identified with... Stop making a mockery of yourself.

A case of not removing the log in ones own eyes first

Cults experts says those who belong to a cult group are not even aware that they belong to a cult.They would never accept it when you inform that they are in cult.The reason is that they have had their sense of judgement impaired by their continuous involvement in the group.They can see others as belonging to a cult but never themselves.

nlPoster:
Do people not get sacked in Nigeria all the time? It's not always about emotional reasons, the business owner does what is expedient for them.

It's distressful no doubt, nobody likes that but sometimes you just have to pray and work towards better things.

Also, if you can sack someone because you dislike them, why cant you sack someone if they're distracting you due to excessive liking and it could affect the business?

Are you aware that there are labour laws in this country?

As an employer of labour you don't just wake up a sack your employee without any valid reason for doing so.You can be sued for it.

of course this Nigeria, nobody obeys the law.If the secretary knows her right and the real reason for her sack she can take the company to court and demand huge compensation.
Adeboye as instigated the sack of an innocent person for a reason any court will interpret as not actionable

Its against labour laws to sack an employee arbitrarily.You are expected to obey the terms of the contract involving you as an employer and your employee anything order than that is illegal

tpiar:
Check the part I just added.

The only thing I can get is business owners can take any decision. Yes they have the power to do so

But let me ask you this.If you were working in a company where you were regarded as the best employee and one day without any form of query before now, you suddenly received a sack letter whch contains no valid reason for the sacking but later got to know after you have left the company that the actual reason was because the boss or the business owner suspected you of having something to do with his daughter who also work in the same office with you. how would you feel when later got to know this? when you know you never had any such intentions

Should a religious leader who is supposed to demonstrate love order without any valid reason the sack of a young lady who I suppose was doing her job very well in that company and because of this has endeared her self to her boss?

When you consider how difficult it is to get a job in this country today ,how can any order for the sack of ianother out of mere suspicion?

And to think that he even had to announce it on some Twitter just shows you that some people don't really care how their actions affect other.What sort of person will act this way?

tpiar:
Business owners have the right to hire and dismiss I think.

Even the people debating this would do the same assuming they could sack someone they don't like. Excessive like or dislike can be a reason for letting people go, either way. A softer landing would be transferring a person to another department perhaps.

We don't always have to debate the morality or ethics of a thing, sometimes what is expedient is considered.

Don't understand what you have said

The reason he gave is not sufficient enough to order for the sack of the secretary

Except he has seen a vision or God told him something (these he did not mentioned) of what was going to happen between the the "son" and the secretary,then his action was wrong

A man of God as we know is supposed to act under the guidance of the holy spirit but from the evidence of things he acted based on mere suspicion.

My thoughts exactly!

Killing a fly with a sledgehammer.No wisdom in that

eyinjuege:
Interesting...
I never heard of the word evangelical atheists before, but it does explain a lot of things on this forum. Many atheists on here fall into that category, because they are very aggressive and when you compare them to atheists abroad who have been areligious for eons, you begin to wonder at their own atheism. Infact, I believe they are more fanatical than the religious fanatics. They bring atheism into every topic inappropriately, with insults targeted at religious people.

You and Lord.Reed should not attack each other sha, and just show basic respect to one another.

Just imagine how he has been denying his true intention.
Thank God you went through the links and have seen how his behaviour is consistent with everything mentioned
He can continue to deceive himself not me

jcross19:
it seems you did not read the op? when a man begin to watch too much sci fi movie. he reasons like a fool.

So many nonentities on this nairaland.
What is it in my post that is making you stupid.
So just a single doctor should be enough to know everything wrong with her

Next time make sure you use your head before you say anything.Fool!

[quote author=jcross19 post=86190955]it seems you did not read the op? when a man begin to watch too much sci fi movie. he reasons like a fool.[/quote

So many nonentities on this nairaland.
What is it in my post that is making you stupid.
So just a single doctor should be enough to know everything wrong with her

Nex rumet make sure you use your head before you say anything.Idoit!

LordReed:
I asked you to point out where I asked anybody to leave their religion. Either you put up or shut up, it's quite simple.

You are the sort of oerson who would deny anything even if caught red handed.
showing you any evidence is just a waste of them.You Will always give your own interpretation

click onthe link I shared and see the hypocrite that you are.

LordReed:
I don't know what moderate atheist means. Atheism doesn't ask people to leave their religion.

Yes true atheist do not ask people to leave their religion or are not interested.But there is a group who call themselves Evangelical atheist who try to force religious people to abandon their beliefs through extreme ridicule and mockery.

Like I already mentioned there is enough evidence on this board that you have been acting that way.

https://www.conservapedia.com/Evangelical_atheist


https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Evangelical%20Atheist&amp=true

https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/765379/amp

Teetee345:
Hi nl,
Am a young lady of 20 yrs and until now, I never knew spiritual attack existed..I just completed my ND program. I live with my dad and stepmum. my mum is late and she only had two girls for my dad..am the second and last born.

I come from a Muslim background but my dad never forced me to go to mosque besides I never liked being a Muslim.
When I got into polytechnic, I started going to church but not often and I didn't know attending church is different from accepting Christ and doing the will of God.

Two months ago I was asked to come for interview for my IT ...I was supposed to go for the interview the next day and then sickness started. But before the sickness, i remembered i had a dream that someone gave me a black substance to swallow that i had to die cuz i have something to do, i took it and swallowed it and i was holding my neck and struggling for breath , then i woke up from the dream...i prayed about it and continued with life .

a week later ,I was complaining of my body shaking and dizziness.. It was like I wanted to faint, I was rushed to hospital and I was told it was malaria..I got better for like two days, and then it started again ..I was taken to another hospital but didn't get myself still...then I was referred to general hospital... Still they didn't find anything wrong with me,,am always in pain and agony every night and I couldn't sleep...it was like someone was holding my neck and about to break it into two and my heart is always Beating fast like it was about to come out of my chest...I couldn't even explain to the doctors how I felt cuz its unexplainable....

When the doctors didn't know what else to do..
They gave me different sleeping pills and injections..still I couldn't sleep..
Then I was taken to a cherubim church but it only got worse... I was always crying and shouting every night and couldn't sleep for two weeks...
When I wasn't getting better.. I had to call my mum younger brother tho he was a Muslim... Then he took me to one Alfa,he recited Quran on me and that day I felt better and slept well but then it started again the next day..I couldn't breath well and its like something was walking in my whole body...

Then my dad picked me from there to my mum elder sister's place... She is a Christian and attends deeper life church.. She called her pastors and they did deliverance for me though they were in haste cuz they were going for retreat or something and I accepted Christ right there.. Infact i was asked to take of my earring and no more attachments or anything but to live like a deeper life christian and i looked like a shadow of myself after taking them off...

After that the sickness was still happening but its like its fading away gradually... Have been trying my best since then to stay away from sin and serve God.. And have been living with my aunt since then...am now okay but not completely... I could still feel that thing walking in my body but just suppressed... The pastors told me the sickness would go completely if I fast and pray at least three times a week and have faith but I haven't been able to do that since one month ago...reason is I can't fast at my aunt place cuz am always working...I can't even pray or sit for 20 mins without being sent on errand... Am always looking dirty and I looked like a maid...sometimes I get insulted if I make a mistake and am very scared of her...I called my dad and my elder sister to tell them everything and he said he is coming to pick me but I told him no cuz the pastors told my aunt I have to be spiritually strong before I Leave there so I won't be attacked again but I haven't been fasting and praying as am supposed to.

..but my aunt told me a lot of things I never knew before...she said my mother's family is not what I think and have noticed it too...almost all of them are dead including my mum and they all didn't go to school...she told me it is a generation curse that it was Christ that saved her...she said they wanted to kill me since I wanted to go further to school...she said I still have a lot of battle to fight against that family... But how will I do that when am only there to live like a maid...her daughter is always there doing nothing and I get shouted at after doing everything.... Sometimes she is nice to me and most times she is not...now I want to leave her place and go to my sister place to start the fasting and praying and attend church programs at mfm but am scared since the pastors told her I shouldn't go yet.I really appreciate her but I can't continue like this....am still not fully okay and I want to get closer to God but I can't do so where I am .I could sleep at night but not how I used to...I can't even wake up to pray in the morning most times since I have to start working immediately I wake up...am fed up and I don't know what to do....please kindly advice...

Please continue with the medical option and ignore all those telling you it's spiritual

The lies you continue to accept from them might be the reason you continue to have this issue.
It's only when the doctors tell you they can't find anything wrong with you before you consider anything else.untill stick with it.You be fine in the end

LordReed:
And where on this board have you come across me asking people to abandon their faith?

Then you're a moderate atheist then?

LordReed:
You seem hellbent on twisting my words or attributing to them a meaning they do not contain. How many times do I have to repeat that I have not asked anyone to stop using faith? This is what I was talking about, no matter how many times I explain it, you have made your own interpretation of my words and will stick with it.

I am not twisting your words but have interpreted it based on your antecedent on this board

Or have you abandoned your atheistic position?

LordReed:
I am not. I am illustrating for you what the implications of my statement is. There is no implication asking anybody to stop using faith. There is no implication that faith cannot be used as a motivator.

Don't you think you're being ambivalent now ?

If something would not mean anything to you does not mean it would not have implication for another.
Asking those who practice faith as a source of motivation to switch from it will certainly have meaning for them

LordReed:
There's no implication in that statement that coca-cola is not to be drank. There is no implication in the statement asking anybody to stop drinking coca-cola.

You taking things out of context.What has led to this question.
please respond accordingly and not what you are doing now if not I insist are deflecting

You reply is stripped of it's original context

LordReed:
The question again: Coca-Cola is unnecessary to quench thirst. What does that imply?

Coca-Cola is not needed to quench thirst.