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HellVictorinho:
Is this not what they call God?
Are you not the confused one??
Some people even say the universe is God.
You're saying the same thing I have heard before concerning the universe.
But I don't agree because it doesn't make sense.
It's not possible for the universe to have a creator or a source.

What is God?
If the universe has a source or a creator, it's not possible for you to know this because it's impossible for you to know anything beyond what you currently know or have experienced.

You seem to be certain that you know it all. So I ask, how can you be so sure of the knowledge that you have even when science is still trying to understand how the universe came into existence

Mind you ,I never said spirit created anything. I only said it's the source or original "material" from which everything is drawn from. Now who is confused here?

HellVictorinho:
What do you mean by everything that exists
Are you saying there is nothing except what you call everything?
Well, if a spirit refers to something (material),then it should have specific features or/and functions.
If a spirit refers to something (abstract),then it should be capable of being felt.
So,you shouldn't say I don't want to accept the reality of this or that.
The onus is on you to state what makes spirits a reality.
Furthermore,if there are more than one spirit,then it means there are more than one sources of energy for everything.
But how does that make sense??
What kind of energy are you even talking about??
That energy should have a specific name.

It appears I have created confusion by saying too many things. So I am going to simply redefine spirit.

Spirit is the true source of everything in the universe

HellVictorinho:
Well, I have heard several stories.

Your response already suggest to me that you're a sceptic who doesn't accept the reality of spirits.

Well, it doesn't matter what you accept or don't accept. The fact is that spirit is the original source energy of everything that exist. It's the energy which pervades all of life without which nothing can ever exist or have life.. Spirit can take on any form , visible or invisible and find expression in it

Spirit is what actually enlivens the human body and once that energy starts to ebb away then it wouldn't be long before the individual departs this plane of existence

For further discussion ,I would suggest will move this to one of your threads where you asked , what spirit is. I don't want us to derail this thread expect the owner gives us the permission to continue

HellVictorinho:
A definition that shows what they are made of or/and what they do.

Before doing that, I would like to know what previous knowledge or experience do you have of spirit (s) before now?

HellVictorinho:
You have not defined anything.
What are spirits??

What would you accept as the proper definition for spirits?

planetx:
The fact that the US presidential election were run locally is what made it easy for the Democrats to rig the election. The deciding votes that swung the election were in four democrat run predominantly black cities in four key battleground states. Philadelphia, Atlanta, Detroit and Milwaukee. No way would Trump have lost if the US practise a Nigerian style federal electoral system.

Please provide the proof that the election was rigged

So true.
A poorly educated person who graduated from a university in Nigeria lives under the false impression that he or she knows it all or can know it all.
Such persons hardly accept their mistakes when you try to point out to them and would continue to repeat such mistakes until they become undone by it

This is why such persons are a danger to themselves and those close to them

An illiterate person is aware of the limitations of his or her education and usually is willing to listen and learn but some of the so called graduates we have these days in Nigeria assume they know it all and are not willing to listen and learn.

Righteousness2:
That was the star of Bethelehem appearing for the First time in 1000 years.
It has made three appearances and this is its 3rd and Final appearance.

It First appeared on the Day JESUS was born ( which is the Christmas Day we celebrate here on Earth.

It's a Major sign for what is about to Hit the Earth.
The RAPTURE is upon us Folks..
Let's not Deceive ourselves ooo..
Are u Ready??
Accept JESUS and do away Completely with all forms of Evil , sin and Iniquity

Stop the lies and the fear mongering . The event has nothing to do with the birth of Jesus neither has it anything to do with something "about to hit it the Earth."

Your imagination is the cause of your fears .clean it up and have peace of mind

I think she responded that way because you were prejudging her.

You are not yet married to her and she has not fully started the business to know how she would handle the money that would come from it but you already can see into the future to know how she would behave.. Haba !



IMO you were too blunt are direct and most ladies don't like this There's a proper way to go about this to get her to act the way you expect. You may have offended her without realising it.



You're already putting pressure on her for a marriage she has not entered into and a business she has not fully started..

You already should know the kind of person she is dating her. Selfish or not and a selfish person is a selfish person anywhere and anytime

Your are lucky she is completely depending on you if not she may consider ending the relationship.

Na wife you wan marry nor be girlfriend. Take advice from those who are already married and have experience in this kind of situation.

Don't take serious her response. You would be surprised she would act differently by the time she gets married to you .

Na so most women dey do.Dem nor dey answer straight ..e nor easy to understand some of them


There are certain things you can know about a woman without directly asking her. If you go direct ,she can take offence and you may lose her.

Good info. Witchcraft is actually autosuggestion and most people engage in it unknowingly

fireback:
it's just another Ponzi scheme but might Last longer than mmm. yes it will make some people rich while some will be trapped at the end of it. if you want to invest, don't invest with your last kobo. invest with amount you can afford to loose. remember, not everyone who participated in mmm latter commit suicide. those who tried to commit suicide at end of mmm where the greedy ones and late comers.

How reasonable is it to call something Ponzi without any proof?

I am going to advise from my own experience and those of others that I know

If you're a non religious person who is searching for partner in a society like ours, the first thing you need to do before you start your search is to temporarily drop whatever biases you may have against religious people. If not, you would unconsciously say and do things in their presence that would put them off or act in ways which seems odd to them without you realising it and when they start to avoid you, you cannot understand it.

Don't forget that women are very sensitive . They already can sense what to expect immediately you annouce who you are.

So I think you should keep your atheism in your pocket and pretend. There's nothing wrong with that. By the time they get to find out who you are later, they would have already accepted you as friend . Then you can proceed from there

There's nothing wrong if you follow them to church.


Just play along and I advise you focus your search anongs moderate Christians.

These set of believers are those who know the "real truth" about what they believe in.but are not willing discus or engage in any argument with anyone about it.And they have chosen to remain Christians for personal reasons . You can easily find them in the orthodox Churches .Catholics, Anglican, Methodist and so on.

Go there and look for your wife and forget about trying to change them so they can think like you. And also don't bother whether your kids would get indoctrinated when you get married to them

These days with the coming of the internet it's never really easy to completely indoctrinated anyone. Unlike in the past, people now have easy access to information that would make it difficult to completely deceive them

The world is changing and in some few years to come alot of people in this part of the world would abandoned their religion. It's already happening.

So don't bother yourself over nothing. Keep on searching you will find

pakpan89:
We are spending our money, yet it's paining you. Why? Besides, this is not your post. Why not go and create your own post and market what you want to market. If you see me there, you drive me away. I'm not a parasite. I don't parasite and insult People on their post. That's childish. Bad belle. Park well. If you can't beat us, join us. You met this business when they started the version 2 called Chymall. You were not there when we started Sairui that we started trading with N20,000. Anyway, thank you for writing and helping out my post in the front and at the top.

Oh very good.

Nothing bad with trying to assist people but don't make things difficult for others who also trying to market the same product.

You assume I just started. You're wrong .

Why opened a thread on the middle of this year to promote an investment package with the old price of 20k?

If you doing the same thing as others why are you still stuck in the past? We are in 2020 not 2019

Sorry if my previous reply caused offence. But I hope you know understand why?


Others are also involved in sponsorship and I have done that too.So I don't have any bad belly.
Good day

pakpan89:
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You're a desperate person . No apologies for that.

If your team is giving discount why the deception to make it seem that chymall is part of what you're doing.

There's no package of 20k that would earn you 5k in chymall.

If you're helping people to get registered by subsidizing the packages for them then don't hide under chymall to do it.

I repeat you're a desperate person.I would be reporting what you're doing here to the right people to take action

By this, T. B Joshua has only succeeded in exposing himself as a scammer.

He is demanding for something, he surely knows no government in the world would accept.

Unfortunately, his zombie followers who have been brainwashed beyond repair would take this has evidence that he has the power to heal people.

If only people knew the so many gullible people who have lost their lives by abandoning their medications after believing they have been heal by this scammer, he and his likes would have since gone out of business.
But it's only a matter of time, because people have started to wake up everywhere

One4me:
Are you aware of the new amendment CLAUSE in the CAMA that says that a Minister can remove the Trustee of a Church (for example) and replace it with anyone he choses, based on a pettition from someone,all by himself (the Minister)?
Would you want a Christian Minister to wield such Power over your Mosque or would you want an Islamic Minister to wield such Power over your church, without a fair hearing in a Court of law?

Always READ something and be sure you UNDERSTAND it properly, before you jump into support.
Most of you supporting this new amandments in the CAMA, have not read nor actually understand what it is saying, apart from the financial reporting aspect of it

Have you asked yourself the reqson for the new amendment?

@Afromentalist

I have been following the thread and I'm afraid that dismissing or not wanting to dwell on the salutary effects which prayer has on the human mind , especially when you have not provided any explanation why those subjective experiences occur, would make those who see prayer as a safe and valid means to petition a God reject most, if not all, the arguments you have made.

Subjective experiences gotten from praying is what gives those who pray insane confidence that they can take a bullet or walk on water ..I know this as former believer

If a believer is ill and prays for healing and immediately starts to feel good due to the placebo like effect of this exercise, he believes or is sure that God has answered him and that this same God would respond at any other time or circumstances.


True believers are not interested in the truth. They're only interested in just about anything whether it makes sense or not which seems to confirm what they have been made to accept as the truth

So I think those placebo like effects which comes from prayer should not be downplayed because they form the major foundation for faith. If not i think some persons, a lot of them, might struggle to accept that faith and prayer are not mutually inclusive as you already can see from some of the responses to the op
This what I think..

Kobojunkie:
I you had paid more attention, you would have noticed my earlier response. I said my answers would be "Ok" acknowledging I heard what was told me.

Sorry then, I thought it was to book space.

My reaction would be the same as yours. Would not say anything.

Kobojunkie:
No view is absolutely wrong or right? Are you sure you know Jesus Christ? According to Him, His View is absolutely True and every other view is absolutely wrong. Remember, He said, " I am the WAY, the TRUTH, and the LIFE...".

Also, find time to read Gospel of Johj chapters 14, 15 and 16 to learn what Jesus Christ said about communication to exist between us and His person when He is home from the Earth.

Then tell me what about my view you think will change with Time.

I have been following this and almost everyone has answered how they would react to the question raised by the op but for you , sorry to say this , it seems you are more interested what you usually like to do. That is to derail the thread.

A simple question has been asked .

How would you react to the situation raised by the op?

Please let's learn from you. I know you have a bright mind

It isn't easy to live your life as a non religious person in a country like Nigeria where we have a lot of religious fanatics.

Some of them cannot tolerate you and would do anything to get back at you if you dare criticize what they believe in.

But then, we also have others who would not behalf like that man in the op's..

So it is wrong I think to generalize with one unfortunate incident . At least the young man inspite of his initial stupidity, still did everything to help.

Then why going ahead to arrest him? Why not end it with a sack?


Sometimes the fault we are so quick to find in others is what we're equally quilty of . The op has also shown intolerance.

The worker is not under any obligation to help her out of that hole .The same way the op is not under any either to respect the religious beliefs of the worker

I am not in any supporting the behavior of the man,as I have already described him as stupid, but to highlight the fact that the op seem to be encouraging risky behavior towards religious fanatics who would not waste any occasion to kill you if they can get away with it

Who knows what would have happened if the worker was " another kind of fanatic" . I am sure the young lady inside that hole would have been forced to say her final prayer when she sees a mighty stone about to drop on her head
. Yes that can happen.and it has happened before maybe not the same circumstances.

Common sense is the way to go at this moment in our country This is not Europe or America where you are protected. This is Nigeria and like they say, if you live in a society where nearly everyone is a thief or where it is legal or normal to steal to survive or earn a living and you don't steal or support those who do, you're better off looking for another place to migrate to if not you can barely survive in that society where stealing is normal.

Proper education,( not force, mockery or insults,) for the masses which the leaders in this country are not interested in providing, is the only thing that can emancipate the minds of our people and make them less gullible to religious manipulation

milkywaves:
I have onced been a victim of voodoo/spiritual attack which was as a result of significant progress i made at that time.

Like you said "I need to learn how the higher self operate so that I can completely rely on it." That's what am trying to achieve with @dmentalist methods, I believe there are other deeper excercises which I will be open to bc these negative energies abound and can be used on someone any time even ones colleagues/employees can evoke and use them.

As for the excercises am currently practicing, the one @ dmentalist, I am experiencing an energy build up on my chest region, I remember I feel this way when I have been deep thinking consistently for a long time. Am thinking is associated with this practice.
What do you think?

Thanks bro for helping.

How are you certain that you were attacked in the past because of the significant progress you achieved?

Voodoo attack is not a consequence of spiritual practices. Most people believe this but it is not true. However there are certain occult practices you can dabble in which exposes you to certain experiences that you may not be able to handle on your own.

Just focus on what you do and don't bother yourself with voodoo or witchcraft attack and you will rise above those things.

The power which they have over you is simply in believe .

Try to remove fear from your life and know that no harm can come to you from those areas without you allowing it to happen.

You allow it happen when you don't believe in yourself. So believe in yourself and focus on practices that will help you uncover the truth of who you truly are.

As for what you're experiencing in your chest region, I suggest you reach out to Afromentalist.

He created the exercise and I think he has enough experience working with others to advice or tell you what it means.

milkywaves:
Thanks bro,
It then means that when my higher self is awakened the protection will follow?

You know, my instinct tells me that there are genuine people here i can trust and make use of their experiences and guidance as a literature review, that's if they are willing to assist.

It is not that when your higher self is awakened, then you become protected.

Your higher self which is actually your true self is already protecting you and will continue to do so.

But you need to learn how it operates so that you can rely completely on it instead of an external entity.That to me is the goal here on this thread

Have you asked yourself what has been protecting you before now from those so called powerful voodoo men even when you don't engage in any spiritual practice or belong to those esoteric groups you already mentioned?

Please reflect deeply on the above question and the answer will definitely come to you.

milkywaves:
Hello Guys!!

It's really been an interesting journey so far, especially bc am beginning to ask questions, seek for answers by researching and meeting people of like minds.
The ultimate goal is to be an elightened fellow, of course this will take years of practice and experience.

I want to ask please to those that know and have the experience, how does one protect itself from one's enemies that uses charms, fetishises, spiritual attacks, etc.?

U know here in Nigeria, whenever you start making obvious progress it attracts those things I mentioned above, no wonder at that point you want to join Organisations like AMORC, Grail Message, Eckankar, etc, bc of their powerful egregores that protects their members from those attacks.

I know there are people here who are members of these organisations or have been a member before.

Please what's your advise?

I, as a student is ready please let the master appear...

The protection you seek is within you and not outside of you.

Placing your trust in an egregore for protection. can be helpful but there is always a price to pay;. your higher self is automatically relegated to the background and you become a slave to something which exist outside of yourself

The choice is yours which option you want to choose. Egregore or your higher self?

The op has presented his own method by which you can awaken the God in you and if you try it and doesn't work , don't give up


Continue to search elsewhere until you find the one that works.

shadeyinka:
It seems you do not regard scriptural reference as adequate. And that EVIDENCE is your final authority in deciding truth from fiction. No problem!

Unfortunately because of this there is no experience of mine that will be useful to you because I can't reproduce them (they are subjective in nature). Is there an objective way you can convince me that you played golf with Donald Trump in your dream?

And this leaves you as the only one who could use evidence to unravel what is truth and that can be determined by a few questions to you.


1. Who really are you?
Are you really your physical body or the consciousness that lives inside your body?
2. How are you certain that at death your consciousness will be completely annihilated?

The issue has not nothing to do with supportive scriptural references but whether what you are talking about has any basis in reality or if there can be any other independent confirmation of humans having a soul and spirit that transcend death.

I am sure you know that there are some group of christhians who do not agree with all you have been saying and would even quote the same Bible to dispute you.

If you think you have had an experience which confirms your theory why not share it. You might be surprised that there are others who have had the same experience but do not know what to make of it.

Subjective to me, doesn't mean not true. If everyone else has also experience what you have experienced, then it is no longer subjective. But when you are the only one who have experienced it, then what can we make of it ?

If your experiences are true, it is possible that others may have experienced the same thing too but may not know or understand what it represents.

Let me be honest with you. I agree to some extent with you some of the things you have said but what I disagree with is your explanation of the difference between soul and Spirit. You don't sound like someone who has had any experience about what you're describing .

It is for this reason I want to know if you have experienced yourself as soul or spirit. You description does not agree with those who have done so.

shadeyinka:
Only a dead person lives independently of his body.

1Ths 5:23:
"And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless to the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ."

But then who really are you?
Are you really your body or the thing that lives inside your body?

If it is only dead people that can live independently of their body, how are you certain that at death you will be separated from your body?

Or have you experience death before?

Any other experience you have had to prove your soul --- spirit theory would be welcomed..
Thanks

@shadeyinka

How were you able to confirm that you have a soul and a spirit?

Have you at anytime lived independently of your physical body before?

What I have observed from my association with persons who say Christianity is not a religion is that most of them are religious fundamentalists living under the false assumption that their subjective experiences while practicing their faith are evidences enough to justify that what they believe in is true.

And so, apart from now thinking that they have a special or direct relationship with Jesus, they see others who have not had the same experience they have had as practicing a religion.

Honestly, people who think this way are already experiencing a delusion without knowing it. You can sometimes see this from their irrational behavior .

At this point, there is nothing you will say that they will listen to unless it agrees with the "Truth" their subjective experiences has made them to accept.

Christianity is a religion nothing can change this fact

Ogonimilitant:
It will be nice if this Covid-19 choose politicians and their families
for cleansing. They are the ones keeping the common Nigerian in this mess

Stop thinking this way. The virus knows no boundary . It can affect anyone.

The reason most of you think it can only affect prominent people is because the media has been reporting what is happening to them or they the victims are doing so.

If you happen to contact the virus would you announce it on your Facebook page?

Congrats for the new born baby

cihofo:
What gap does God fill that highlights his presence?

Happiness?
There' millions of people who don't believe in a god but are happy

Love?
There are millions who feel love without any god

Purpose?
There are millions that have found purpose in their life in the absence of any god

What gap does God fill?

And if he doesn't fill any, then how is he needed

I am no longer affiliated to any religious group or concern with what they believe in. But I know from past experience and those of others too, that the believe in a God or gods certainly fills certain need in the life of true believers or deeply religious people.

Your level of involvement and the value placed in an activity, is what can actually bring happiness or love and not the activity itself .

So it doesn't matter whether God exist or not . What matters is what you're doing while believing in a God or gods. This can result in fulfilment for the religious person.

Is it possible to engage in religious activities or practices without believing in a God or something?

Maximus69:
In most cases it's neighbours living next to us that will first notice the problems that we are facing.
That's why humans try to belong to one group or another just in case they want to share happy moments, problems and mostly unforseen occurrences like this.
Though the social media has been of help to many but not as effective as your close neighbours who are eyewitnesses of what you're saying.
That's why intellectuals who have traveled to so many places still hold onto Religion because it helps keep them closer to their neighbours who would have been strangers to them.
Presently i'm somehow helpless but i'm sure God will raise an helper for you my friend!

This is not the time to proselytize. That can come at another place and time.

Moreover, you're not under any compulsion to give. But if you want to,. money is not the only thing that can be given.

Beey:
Am not a medic so the little knowledge I have was not acquired in med school �.Yes you are right that antidepressants manage but don’t cure. I don’t know much about the science involved, but antidepressants manage the illness by boosting serotonin and dopamine, pretty much like insulin works for diabetics. My main aim was to explain to the person that depression is not just a problem for the poor, but an illness that can be suffered by the rich.

Ok. I get you.
But the real reason I am against antidepressants as cure is that when you stop taking them you go into a relapse.
Also the side effects which comes from taking those drugs can create further problems or damages to ones health.

There are alternative remedies for depression.

However, I understand that some people are prone to being depressed due to other underlining health issues .

So for those group of persons, they would need some form of medication to manage what makes them susceptible.