Originakalokalo: Read well...They project the thought into you and you accept by your free will. You have the choice to say No.
But you don't say know eventually because of pleasures or immediate gain.
If we have the choice to say no, then why worry about demons? I think we should focus on learning or teaching people how to make the right choices and not bothering about demons
And also, if we can avoid sin on our own then we don't need God or the holy spirit
I think you are deviating from the premise of your op
Originakalokalo: My threads centre on sin, salvation, God, prophesies, demons, etc.
Check them well.
But the recent ones focus on the theme of demonology and from what I observed your argument seem to be that if demons don't exist there would be no evidence for God or that the presence of demons(which you have not actually provided any valid evidence for) proves that your God is real and your religion the correct one However I expected you to respond to the argument in my previous post. You have not
So here again, if demons can easily inhabit humans and easily control them, where then is free will?
I have followed this tread and others your have created and have observed that everything centers on demons
It is obvious you are unaware that believing or thinking that demons are controlling your mind or those of others around you is symptomatic of a psychological condition called possession syndrome. Individuals who are experiencing this are advised to seek professional help
Those who believe it is actual demons or it is spiritual attack due to religious indoctrination usually do not heed this advise and If help is not sought on time it may progress to a point when it becomes difficult to extricate themselves from it
At this stage everything around them becomes demons infested. Craze don start be dat o
The overriding factor in life is free will. If demons can easily inhabit humans and make them act and say things which they would ordinary not do, then there is nothing like free will. It means you have called your God a liar. Or don't we have free will as humans?
Ifa is the Wisdom of Olodumaré as a way of life. It must be practiced in every thing you do To be an aborisa (avatar of orisha), you have to LIVE IT.
A true devotee of the orisa exposes their devotion in the name they give themselves, in the clothes they cover their sacred bodies with, in the language they communicate to their community with, in the food they nourish their bodies with, in the values they organize their society with, in the tools they educate their children with, the places they chose to gather in, the medicine they heal their bodies with, and the ancestral wisdom they empower their minds with. You must be so full of Ifa, that you bleed Ifa.
On the matter of magic.
Orunmila's teaches are explicit that the only "witchcraft" that exists is psychological. This is powerful if you are susceptible but it is not actually witchcraft. They caste spells on you thru your psychology by exposing you to self-destructive images meant to subliminally induce fear and panic. This is why you should control the images you let people expose you to (especially from the media and their school system). This is the only way they enter your mind and influence you; not "witchcraft."
I think it would be difficult for those who have come to see witchcraft as real to accept it is psychological manipulation
I also doubt if your post would make any sense to such persons. Your explanations are way beyond what most people in this environment can comprehend and accept . What they know about witchcraft comes from the misinformation and lies peddled by those masquerading as men of God and some fraudsters claiming to be spiriitualist
There was a time I was almost a victim of such manipulation but for a knowledgeable man I ran to who had a perfect understanding of what I was experiencing then, I am sure I would have been undone by it. He made me to see that it was not real. Although, initially I found difficult to accept his simple explanation but some days later the realization of the truth of what he told me dawned on me and the experience ended just as it came
Since that time, more than twenty years ago I have been avoiding any environment that would expose me to such experience. These include Churches, spiritualist, and superstitious people. They really do not know the problems they may have created or are creating for some persons
People have been left mentally confused some have committed suicide or contemplating it. Once an individual comes to fully accept that he or she is under witchcraft attack and believes it is real, the 'nightmare' would not end if their is no way to understand what is actually happening. Going to prayers houses and meeting people who lack understanding would only help to reinforce the illusion.
abijaofficial: The Church has a big parking space in its compound but since it is not enough others park by the road side , there are always law enforcement agents on ground to direct members on where to park their cars . The Judge in question only comes home once in a while because her station is not in the state.
Then it may be possible one of the cars parked by the road side could have blocked her right of way and since service was in progress at that time it may be difficult know immediately who parked by the road side I am sure this may have caused annoyance and led to the altercation
Well, I am just speculating. At this moment no one knows exactly what happened and I may want to agree with you it's not the noise. I know of many redeem churches that are sound proof .
abijaofficial: I attend that Church , i can authoritatively tell you that the Redeemed Christian Church of God Glory tabernacle at Ijapo does not have outside loud speakers and the doors are sound proof so no one hears the noise from outside !
Does the church have enough parking space?
Is it possible that a car from those attending is parked in a way that it obstructed her right of way and she became impatient because she could not get anyone to remove the car immediately?
Whatever the case the poor old woman does not deserve such violence from the judge
Hati13: Thank you! Is your God aka source of energy had no beginning?
I hope you have you have not misunderstood me
I never said my God or there is a God called source energy. I only used the term to describe what I think God represents and I did mention that it is a borrowed term.
To answer your question, I would say since it is the source of all it should not have a beginning. Beginnings and endings are features associated with physical manifestations. However if it has any kind of beginning I would not know
My type of God is the one I refer to as source energy
The expression source energy is a borrowed term which perfectly describes what I think God is. This energy is responsible for everything in existence. I do not think God or source energy needs any form of worship. God or source energy is not human and for this does not need worship
Your second question is difficult for me to answer. I do not know how 'God' created the world but I believe the world and everything in it began at a point in the distant past. I believe the beginning was triggered by source energy
Is there and afterlife? Based on an experience I had in the past I believe there is an afterlife. I can't tell you the exact nature of the afterlife as I have not had much experience. Nobody goes to hell. We are all parts of source energy. This means that if we are sent to hell God has sent himself to hell.
Is it possible to make contact with source energy (God)? Yes. Imagination, thought and emotions are the tools with which we can make contact. Prayers, though it incorporate thoughts and emotions, is not too effective due to the concept of God that is petitioned
Miracles are natural phenomenon. It really does not have anything to do with God answering your prayers However it helps to believe in a God answering your prayers as it helps to deepen your belief which can lead to a miracle. If you are familiar with the placebo affect and how it is used in modern medicine, you would get to understand better how miracles can be triggered by belief. So I believe in miracles but not to the extent of living for a miracle in other to prove or glorify a deity. It is waste of time and energy
fratermathy: Jesus was not a member of AMORC as AMORC is just one of the modern paths of Rosicrucianism Jesus was influenced by Rosicrucian ideals. That is my opinion in this.
Sorry if say you are being evasive by saying that it's your opinion that Jesus was influenced by rosicrucian ideas
I have read Spencer's Mystical life ofJesus and except you tell me that what is contain therein has been dispensed with, it would difficult to accept that it's just your opinion and not to a certain extent the official position of amorc that Jesus was influenced by rosicrucian ideas
Eckankar, if you are familiar with that group, has claimed that Jesus was not only influenced by its teachings but was actually an initiate who attained the christ consciousness as a second initiate. Jesus master according to Ecankar was Zadok. He was said to have trained Jesus in the secret doctrine of Ecankar
Whom do we believe? Amorc, Ecankar or your 'opinion' ?
IAmSabrina: Cc. LordReed, budaatum, Martinez39, triplechoice, Dantedasz
*slow clap*
I'm going to give you credit for finally showing us another video besides SCOAN (something i've been asking you to do). Not just that, but going online to finally dig up the video of an atheist being "exorcised" (something i didn't think you'd do). This alone deserves my response. That being said, i still don't see anything supernatural in this video. You can call me stubborn, but i just don't.
First of all, we see from the films that he took hours with him, sizing him up, getting his personal information. Psychics will do that and then, after buildup, repeat back details of what you've told them as if these were revelations, hooking you on the accuracy of their skills. Then there's techniques of hypnotism such as repetition and focusing on objects. There's the force of his personality. There's accurate diagnoses of his problems because he can use the techniques that work for astrologers and psychics and snake oil salesmen- cold reading that sounds specific to the subject but really are likely to apply to everyone- Do you feel a spiritual void? Do you feel there are things you want to stop doing but are compelled to do anyway such as drinking too much or smoking or overeating or having sex with the wrong people?
Given the right pattern, the right amount of conviction, these things work on enough people to keep psychics and faith healers in business. Not to mention, i'm familiar with John Safran. I've watched his videos where he practices rituals from multiple religions and he seems like a highly susceptible individual. It would be harder to pull on someone who isn't predisposed to see you as an authority. But it's easier to pull on someone who hasn't experienced it enough before to recognize the patterns and techniques.
If you go back, you'll remember i said this a few posts back: "Possession" only seems to occur within religions that embrace the idea that it can happen. "Possession" also seems to take place among people who are highly susceptible and are overly-pious. It seems that when the mind starts to twist due to other factors, the environment in which the subject is contributes to the phenomenon. So clearly, you can see i haven't changed goalposts and my point still stands
This reminded me of Richard Dawkins trying on the so-called "God Helmet" and having no results from it. Turns out the machine was largely a measure of how susceptible to the power of suggestion that people were (it also didn't work on the clergy member that tried the device too--though it worked for, so people claim, some 70% of users)
Also, as far as i know, John is still an atheist. Surely he should have changed his position. So wetin Bob gain?
Once again, this is my final post. You better dig up something better than this if you want my response In a way, this was fun! Thanks
He is unwilling to learn anything.. He does not take is time to read any replies the reason he continues to repeat the same questions
shadeyinka: Your argument if I get you well is that: 1. Christian subjects are willing participants in the hypnosis 2. Highly creative/imaginative people are easy subjects of hypnosis (Jim Iyke as a good example) 3. The environment is designed in such a way as to present a subliminal imagery to predispose subjects to hypnosis.
1. If you listened to Interviews with Jim Iyke after the episode, he wasn't a willing participant at all. He didn't even want to enter the church for he came for a different purpose "his mother's healing". Watch his tape. 2. I partially agree on you with your point 2. It is very difficult hypnotizing a dummy. The higher your imagination ability the better. BUT, this works only when such put himself deliberatly under the hypnoist.
If you watched the deliverance of Jim Iyke from the beginning, HE WAS JUST HIT on the CHEST. And then all the gymnastics started. (It looks like scoan pulled down the full video: can't find it).
AND, all hypnosis need the subject to be prepped before bring put in the state. You may need to watch more videos to unravel how scoan preps their subject.
3. What specifically is special about the environment? The average Catholic church have 10 times more. How come deliverance don't occur there as often. Do I show you Deliverances done in the STADIUM? Would that clear the air for you?
Finally, if you know a little about hypnosis, you will know that it is the hypnoist who suggests the state the subject should be in. How come in this deliverances, no such is taking place.
The "subject" contrary to what happens in hypnosis seem to want to resist the "hypnoist" and has to say or do things under duress. Do you have an answer to this: cause it is contrary to what happens in hypnosis
I don't know what happened to you but with due respect, it is you who need to question things around you. There are so many things that doesn't have scientific explanations.
You keep repeating the same questions which I have already provided answers for.
Others have also provided enough explanations for you to understand what is actually taking place in those videos uploaded. It is either you don't take your time to read them or simply are unable to understand
I will just try to explain as clearly as possible what is actually happening in those videos . I don't know the exact methods used, but fear, anxiety, anger, excitement and any other kind of positive or negative emotions has been induced. Once these is achieved they easily shift into an altered state of consciousness which set the stage for a complete take over of their minds. It does not matter whether you are a willing participant or not. This is advance hypnosis technique which is not open to the public and it works. Whether you believe it or not. They only way to protect yourself is to stay away from such places.
By the time they stand in from of the deliverance minister they are ready to be plucked. Then shock is apllied by. suddenly hitting them on the head or any part of the body to achieve a final to take over of their mind, once this happens the brain slate is temporarily wiped clean and suggestions can then be inputted to make act accordingly. Demons talking through them barking like dog, meowing like a cat and just anything. At the end of the deliverance when the are brought back to full consciousness they don't remember anything.
This is the scientific explanation provided byprofessionals who have studied this phenomenon. You can do your research to disprove this
Although this method can put to good use, it is currently being abused. It is not only the Church that is involved in this. A lot of organizations are secretly using other forms of it to influence people whether for good or bad
As to why it doesn't not happen in catholic churches, the simple answer is they do not use it or hardly use it
So an orthodox church is safe to attend.
, It does not mean that those who use this methods in churches really understand what they are doing. They do it because it is what they have learnt from others and it works. Healings can be achieved but it is usually temporary a few are permanent.
Demons are not responsible for anything. This has nothing to do with denying God. I am not an atheist neither do I attend any church
, I have question for you.. Before the coming of Christianity to Africa, was the African possessed by demons? If he was, how was he delivered?
shadeyinka: If it was hypnosis, how come no hypnoist has the kind of reaction seen in Deliverance in their shows?
If it was hypnosis, when was Jim Iyke peeped?
You don't know anything about hypnosis. Period!
I guess you should listen to Jim Iykes narrative of the event preceding his mission behaviour then come back and tell me how you think he was peeped for hypnosis!
BTW, if you knew a tiny fog about hypnosis, you should be able to tell us the method of hypnosis used. We can now all look at the method and agree with your diagnosis. SMH
The reason for the different outcome is that clinical or stage hypnotist have to deal with subjects who are either sceptical or afraid of the idea of being hypnotised. The deliverance minister has no such impediment. Subjects are not told what is being done to them. It is not called hypnosis but deliverance. But the techniques are the same, under a deliverance minister, the subject,----the person to be delivered----does not have any problem in accepting to be hypnotised or delivered. This explains why such persons are usually wild open and are easily y manipulated..Another factor is the environment. The atmosphere in a church gathering also aid the outcome
There are certain individuals who are highly susceptible to hypnosis., They do not need much or any priming to be put in a trance. One category of such people are those who engage in any form of creativity and are very good at it. They can employ their imagination in their tasks while being temporarily oblivious of their immediate environment. The can easily blend fantasy with reality. Jim iyke being an actor falls into this category, The people who operate in that church know what they are doing. I am sure this explains why they wanted him at all costs to come out for delivarance.. They know he is a perfect subject
The designed of that church, the Iimageries on the wall, the light system and other things I do nor want to talk about are part of the things that immediately put you into a trance when you step into that place
I have been ensnared in your kind of situation before. It took something out of the ordinary to pull me out of it.. Be bold and question what is happening around you. That is the only way you can see things clearly and be free
Everything I have written is insipired from having gone through the same thing. If tb Joshua is not the same then it isyour duty to convince me with facts that I am wrong. But for now I stand on hypnosis as my explanation
shadeyinka: Is it demons that make people drink alcohol, commit fornication etc. Not really at least not all the time!
The fact that a man is delivered from a particular demon does not mean he cannot live as he wills. It's a choice. Let me explain it to you:
If I went to the hospital to treat my diarrhea but I return home to eat my leftover food from unhygienic pots, plates l, water and kitchen. What would be my state?
That is why Jesus said: when you chase an unclean spirit out of a person, the spirit will go and come back more strongly if it discovers that the man is empty of God.
But the issue isn't this: The issue is about what is the correct scientific designation for what befell Jim Iyke is!
Then we can till out the issue of spirits!
I think this is a fair deal.
The scientific explanation for what happened to Jim Iyke is hypnosis
You claimed to know something about hypnosis but I have not seen any evidence in your several post on this thread to suggest you have practiced. Theory is not enough to understand how a thing works. I am not an adept on hypnosis but from what I know and have practiced, Jim was subjected to a subtle but powerful form of hypnosis.
If you know something of hypnosis and cannot see what happened to Jim Iyke, then I doubt what you know or maybe, sorry to say this, your religious indoctrination is the problem you have from seeking things clearly. The idea that demons can possess humans is church dogma and not the truth
MuttleyLaff: triplechoice dont waste your breath with alBHAGDADI and Ihedinobi3, that is well constructed and truthful post
About alBHAGDADI saying Daddy Freeze attacked Pastor Kumuyi over his statement that women who wear men's wears are an abomination unto God and saying that such is found in the Bible, before then quoting Deuteronomy 22:5, I have already on a different thread, asked him to please and kindly in a way that a two year old can understand, that's if at all if he really does know, soon explain to us, the reason behind why, in the Bible, God said cross dressing is an abomination to Him and that women should abstain from wearing what belongs to men, likewise men what belongs to women, but this request seems to be hard and difficult for him to give answers to?
I have already decided to discontiue the aguement. It is obvious the op is seeing things from a different position than mine. I cannot force him to see things from my point of view
alBHAGDADI: Stop trying to be clever, it makes you sound confusing and dubious.
Since when did the words entice and coerce become synonymous that you are attributing entice to mean rape? No dictionary gives the idiom lay hold to mean suddenly or forcefully for one to conclude that it means rape
Look below to see another place where the Bible made use of the idiom Lay Hold. Does it mean I'm raping eternal life when Paul said I should lay hold on to eternal life?
1 Timothy 6:12 Fight the good fight of faith, lay hold on eternal life, whereunto thou art also called, and hast professed a good profession before many witnesses.
The Bible was not written for a particular people of a particular period. Stop injecting your own ideology into the Bible, thereby speaking what the Bible never said. For your information, the Bible was mainly written for we the people of today who are in the end time period.
Romans 15:4 For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope.
1 Corinthians 10:11 Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.
This means that if we christians see rape as bad and that a victim should not marry the rapist, then it means that that's how God has always viewed it right from the old testament because he changeth not.
Malachi 3:6 (KJV) For I am the L ORD , I change not;
You even act ridiculous when you say God ordered for a victim to marry her rapist. Didn't you see the verse in the OP which states that a rapist should be killed and the victim freed? But here you are saying that God said a rapist should live and even be rewarded with his victim. That means if I see a beautiful girl way beyond my league, the best way to get her is to rape and be rewarded with her as my wife. Junk judgment which can only come from man, not God.
I still insist that you do not fully understand what rape means or how it is carried out.
If an adult enticed or coerced a minor to have sex, it is seen as statutory rape. At that age the victim is not matured enough to give valid consent. This means that even if the victim agrees it is still regarded as rape. That is the position of the law
Also, in certain circumstances it does not matter if the victim is an adult. If she is boxed into a corner and she as no option but to accede to the enticement or coercion it is still rape. Some individuals in position of authority are guilty of this. Either through promise of promotion or threat of sack
As for you not understanding what - - lay hold of-means in the different context, well the fault is yours and not mine. Except you are trying to be evasive, I do not want to believe that you destitute of the idea of context meaning
It is not my ideology that the Bible was written for a particular period. Every evidence points to the fact that it was so. However, that is not to say it does not contain things which are timeless
Finally, I never mentioned that God ordered anything. I said it was a cultural thing and nothing to do with God
alBHAGDADI: Yesterday, I came across a thread which shows Daddy Freeze attacking Pastor Kumuyi over his statement that women who wear men's wears are an abomination unto God. Such is found in the Bible...
Deuteronomy 22:5 (KJV) The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the L ORD thy God.
Reacting to the biblical sound doctrine, Daddy Freeze stated that Pastor Kumuyi is wrong because the old law has been done away by Jesus Christ who died on the cross. I ask, did Jesus die so that men can now wear makeup and skirts with brassieres like cross-dressers? Jesus didn't she'd his blood for you to disobey his commandments, neither has God stopped seeing abomination as abomination. That's a whole another sermon anyway.
Daddy Freeze further stated that if Pastor Kumuyi must obey the verse against cross-dressing, then he must also tell people to obey the verse that says ''women should marry their rapist".
My head sparked when I saw the statement from him which he even buttressed with a birthday verse seen below.
Deuteronomy 22:28-29 New International Version (NIV) If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, he shall pay her father fifty shekels of silver. He must marry the young woman, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives.
An untrained Bible student will believe him and the verse above, but we that know that Satan has his own Bibles littered everywhere will not be fooled by the idea behind the above verse. The verse is clearly saying that our God who is merciful and a righteous judge will punish a lady by forcing her to marry the wicked human who raped her and took away her virginity.
First and foremost, let's remember that Satan boasted that he will be like the Most High God. Should we be surprised when we hear that he has created his own Bible too? It is from that Bible that Daddy Freeze quoted from which is the NIV. Not only is the NIV Satan's book, but also all these other new and modern versions which distort the word of God. The only true word of God out there today is the King James Version KJV, and that's where I will be waiting from to show you that God never supports rape.
You see, that law in Deutoronomy is still the same law seen in Exodus. Let's see how the NIV puts it down in Exodus.
Exodus 22:16-17 New International Version (NIV) “If a man seduces a virgin who is not pledged to be married and sleeps with her, he must pay the bride-price, and she shall be his wife. If her father absolutely refuses to give her to him, he must still pay the bride-price for virgins.
Compare it with how they put it down in Deutoronomy.
Deuteronomy 22:28-29 (NIV) If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, he shall pay her father fifty shekels of silver. He must marry the young woman, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives.
As seen above, they are the same laws because they speak of a virgin, not betrothed, bride price etc. But in their intentional mistake, they put rape in one and seduce in another. Let's see how the King James puts it.
Deuteronomy 22:28-29 King James Version (KJV) 28 If a man find a damsel that is a virgin, which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found; 29 Then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel's father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife; because he hath humbled her, he may not put her away all his days.
Exodus 22:16-17 (KJV) And if a man entice a maid that is not betrothed, and lie with her, he shall surely endow her to be his wife. If her father utterly refuse to give her unto him, he shall pay money according to the dowry of virgins.
Some might quickly think the phrase 'lay hold on her' means rape. No it doesn't. Laying hold on a woman is part of the process of sex. When you have sex with your wife, don't you lay hold on her? Or are you going to be doing it from a distance with Bluetooth? As if the Bible knew some folks will get it twisted, God repeated the same law in Exodus to show he doesn't mean rape but consensual sex. That's why in Exodus it says "if a man entice". Even the NIV uses the word seduce. Isn't it pretty clearly that the sex was consensual? The lady fell for the seduction which means she wasn't forced. How NIV and all these modern versions decided to use the word rape in another verse where the law was repeated is what baffles me. It is clearly to confuse people and make them think God was cruel in the old testament.
God never supported rape. He even ordered for rapists to be killed and the victim spared.
Deuteronomy 22:25-26 King James Version (KJV) But if a man find a betrothed damsel in the field, and the man force her, and lie with her: then the man only that lay with her shall die. But unto the damsel thou shalt do nothing; there is in the damsel no sin worthy of death: for as when a man riseth against his neighbour, and slayeth him, even so is this matter:
The NIV says the same thing.
Deuteronomy 22:25-26 New International Version (NIV) But if out in the country a man happens to meet a young woman pledged to be married and rapes her, only the man who has done this shall die. Do nothing to the woman; she has committed no sin deserving death. This case is like that of someone who attacks and murders a neighbor,
So, how come the NIV said the victim must marry her rapist in another verse? Isn't it confusing? This is clearly a mistranslation done by Satan so that his agents can attack the word of God and Christians.
When the Bible says a man lay hold onto a woman and laid with her, it doesn't mean rape but consensual sex. The same Bible clearly spelt out what rape is when it said the rapist should be stoned if the woman cries out. But if shoe doesn't, then it means they both consented to it.
Deuteronomy 22:23-24 King James Version (KJV) If a damsel that is a virgin be betrothed unto an husband, and a man find her in the city, and lie with her; Then ye shall bring them both out unto the gate of that city, and ye shall stone them with stones that they die; the damsel, because she cried not, being in the city; and the man, because he hath humbled his neighbour's wife: so thou shalt put away evil from among you.
Now, where in the below verse does it say that a father should collect bride price after his daughter has cried out of rape?
Deuteronomy 22:28-29 King James Version (KJV) 28 If a man find a damsel that is a virgin, which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found; 29 Then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel's father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife; because he hath humbled her, he may not put her away all his days.
As seen above, the man marries the girl because it was consensual sex which she fell for after his seductive games. But below is pure rape because he forced her, that's why he's ordered to be killed and the lady is not ordered to marry him.
Deuteronomy 22:25-26 King James Version (KJV) But if a man find a betrothed damsel in the field, and the man force her, and lie with her: then the man only that lay with her shall die. But unto the damsel thou shalt do nothing; there is in the damsel no sin worthy of death: for as when a man riseth against his neighbour, and slayeth him, even so is this matter:
This is why you need to stick with the King James Version only. Other versions have been perverted by Satan who has been attacking the word of God right from the Garden of Eden. He has not changed today.
Read link below to see more lies from all these modern Bible versions.
You do not understand what it means to rape someone. The use of physical force is not the only means.
If you entice and coerce a victim, especially a minor, and succeed in having your way, it is rape
The idiom - - - lay hold of--- does not mean touching lightly or any kind of pre-intimacy as you tried to explain.. It means to grab someone or something suddenly and forcefully. To act in such a manner towards your wife each time you want to have sex throws consent away. In certain climes your wife can sue you for rape
However, if we understand that the Bible was written for a group of people during a particular period in the past, then we can find no problem with the command to marry a rape victim. At that time, if a woman is not a virgin she is ostracized and nobody marries her. So to protect victims of rape from such treatment it was the correct thing to force the perpetrator to marry the victim. It is a cultural thing and nothing to do with God
lefulefu: she was just ur girlfriend and she was already bothered dat the neigbours would know she cant cook?. So wat can u say about wives who dont even bother entering and wen its time for dinner they would walk to the balcony and yell at their husband to come prepare dinner as he's downstairs discussing with friends. Dat would even be more embarrasing for d husband.
I think the more reason she was bothered was the fear that some busy body neighbor might say something to discourage me from continuing the relationship. But I am not that kind of person to listen to such talk. I believed her previous experience was the cause of her reaction.
NwanyiAwkaetiti: How many of you lads can actually be patient enough to be with a lady who cannot cook but willing to learn? People are so quick to break relationships these days over little things. For example when my dad(God bless his soul) met my mom, she didn't even know how to make ordinary pap but he didn't judge her or push her away, instead he taught her everything he knows. If someone you actually like is lagging in an area, you complement them. Too bad most relationships now are based on selfish interests with very weak bond.
So before you leave that lady because she can't cook, Think twice.
I broke up with a lady in the past because of not only her cooking skills but her other attitude too
At the initial stage of the relationship she was willing to learn because she wanted to do well. Sometimes I have to insist on cooking a particular meal myself when I know she would not be able to do it well. She agrees sometimes at other times she doesn't. She says if visitors or neighbors gets to know I cook instead of her, then it would lead to embarrassment because everyone would know she is not a good cook. So I allow her and just force myself to eat it.
My patience ran out when I observed that whenever she was agitated, especially if I was the cause of the agitation, she relapsed to preparing something very awful. If I dare complain at this time all hell will let loose. I remembered eating stew and rice with the stew almost tasting like unripe grape juice. I started to think and concluded that if I get married to her I may experience worse. I know of a friend who is suffering this and when he complains the reply he usually gett is___you know she cannot cook why did you marry her?. I was not willing to be told this so I gradually ended the relationship
So for me I am willing to be patient only if she will not let her emotions get in the way of her cooking. She should not use it to spite me at anytime. I want to marry her because I love her and not just to cook for me. I think cooking is a necessary skill everyone woman should strive to acquire not only as a aid to personal growth but also as a means to express love. As they say, the fastest means to a man's heart is through the stomach
udopee: If the message in this post pained you, it means that it really hit it's target. Remember, truth is always bitter...SHALOM!!!
The primitive superstition you're promoting cannot stand as truth.The group of persons you 're demonizing are facing all sorts of maltreatment everyday from people like you. They are not the cause of what you fail to do for Yourself.
If a man is not happy with you because you leave everything to the maid and you can't cook for once, take care of the home but stuff yourself with too much food and become overweight that it becomes a problem putting up your legs 'in the other room'', it is in your hands to change things. Housemaid are never responsible. They do not possess such powers or are they partnering with enemies to wreck your home.
I can see that some persons have missed the point of the op by focusing on the scenario used in the introduction. The concern here is on the hypocrisy and irony of the Christian faith. At the moment I would like to think that the problem is from its adherents and not the religion itself
Some of my Christian friends and close family members derive a kind of Pleasure in jumping into conclusions that the reason for some of my personal challenges is because I don't tithe. That I am robbing God. I You can imagine such insensitivity coming from people you are supposed to trust not to behave that way. But the irony is that tithing has not giving them any immunity from having their own challenges too. During such times I am usually the own they can rely on to bail them out and I try as much possible not bring up the issue of tithe while offering my assistance.
Not learning anything from this or maybe due to habit they always fall back to warning me of the consequences of not tithing Sometimes, I ask myself,Is it that some persons have been robbed of their senses that can no longer see the truth?
Recently the vice president was involved in an helicopter crash and was lucky to escape. The explanation was that enemies or the devil has some plans but prayers by powerful men of God averted what would have been a disaster . I say, thank God for that!. But suppose the vice was not a Christian I am sure the reaction or explanation would have been, 'God is warming him to change his ways' or God is not happy with they way the have managed the economy 'and if he doesn't change what happened to Abacha would befall him'
udopee: Common sense should have made you reason very well when I said "housemaids can be a blessing or a curse". There is no generalising there, just that your reasoning and comprehension are bias. Read, understand and comprehend the post before you display your low level of mentality towards the message... SHALOM!!!
I expected your to reply that you were not generalizing. But ask yourself is there any marriage without a problem? You claim housemaids are usually responsible Go back to what you have written and see that you were generalizing even though it was not expressly stated
Your post has created a confusion you need to address. I still insist you learn self responsibility instead of looking for who to blame or trying to advise others on who to blame.. That is common sense
If you have had any negative personal experience with a housemaid in the past, then try to understand why it happened and not to generalize by labeling all housemaids as evil
From what you have posted, housemaids should be blamed once a married man starts to womanize because according to you, they, the housemaids have evil powers to manipulate the man. What nonsense!
You should learn to accept self responsibility for your actions as well as having a clean imagination if not, when you have not employed a housemaid or have disengaged any, you would turn to blame your mother - in-law and others around you for manipulating your husband or bringing evil into your home
victorian: Some guys can pretend for many years, claiming they are in love and if your senses are not alert, they complete their mission and turn to another individual the next second. Sholaye knew who Linda was, the first day they met but he knows if he tells Linda that he knows her, she's popular and very rich hardworking lady, Linda will be on her guard with him , like she has done to most men who came her way to woo her.
So the best and intriguing part is to say nope I don't know u, I have never heard of you before with a plain innocent face. But what lies beneath his mask, is a blood hounding dog waiting to bite. With that sentence, she relaxed and let down her guard. At that point, was where the script graduated to the next level.
What a pity.
You sure know the game. When I got to the part of the story where she mentioned that Sholaye claimed not to know anything about her popularity, I started to laugh.
She let down her guard for something one would have expected her to know. That guy don too old for this kind game sha
The result talies to what the school released to him as his results.
Accept it or sue him.
Lastly, if operation show your cert is carried out now, even you dont have a certificate. What is good for the goose is good for the gander.
You say the result released to him? has he ever at any time acknowledged it and presented it to INEC.
An obviously forged document that has been avoided like plague by the person that is supposed to accept it, is what you are using to support your argument?
My affidavit and the supporting documents which represents my missing credentials is legally acceptable even outside this country. If you do not no this, then it means you are stubbornly ignorant. I have been employed with it in the civil service since 2018,done numerous screening/ verification of results without any problem and you want to say I do not have a certificate. You claim to be a graduate but I am afraid you are not reasoning like one.
Maybe you should contact the presidency on their Twitter handle to advise them to submit the. so called result from the school. I wish you good luck with that I
adanny01: It is your comprehension that sends you into all this arguments you keep bouncing here and there.
Now, you want to drag me into the insensible court cases politicians use to intimidate themselves. I aint going that route with you.
Check the results very well. I hope you see WAEC where it reads "PHOTOSTAT FOR USE OF SCHOOL STAFF AND WEST AFRICAN EXAMINATION COUNCIL ONLY". There lies your last answer.
Mind you, my advise to you is never leave your affidavit behind when asked to show up with your certificate. Thats my issue.
You are posting a document which has not been confirmed as genuine by the original owners of the exam to convince me or anyone.?You keep exhibiting ignorance. Twisting and turning like a clueless footballer and in the giving out a wayward pass
And the university of Cambridge at the top of it, that is, if it is genuine, does not mean anything to you?
It is funny you advising me on always having my affidavit with me whenever I need to present my credentials a thing I have been doing for close to 8years now.
adanny01: In the same vein you didn't take time to read my post cause i never said your certificate issuer will not give you anything.
I said they wont give you the certificate you lost back. Its you who went into further stories and even cover exactly what i said.
You are even lucky your school keeps a copy of the cert. My school does not. You sign a register that you collected it and thats the end. You can get a statement of result for yourself a confirmation or transcript to thirdparty institutions.
Guy your long epistle carries many irrelevant statements.
So it is now that you know its Cambridge, yet you continue to talk like it is me who doesnt know. I knew this fact since 2015, how come you are getting to know that now. Please use your head, reasearch before writing things you dont know and insinuate others dont know.
If Cambridge conducted Buhari's exams in 1961, and WAEC was established in 1952, who do you think Cambridge conducted the exams for. Where do you think WAEC originated from?
Back to my father, if you are a 25 yr old graduated who lost his certificate and my father is a 69yr old retiree who also lost his certificate, who between the 2 of you needs a confirmation of his certificate? What does my father need his certificate for after retirement?
Think of what you are writing before it turns to an insult.
All this Buhari matter you guys are peddling has been properly trashed out in 2015 and its a none issue. Anyone continuing the issue is either uninformed or gullible.
Even the grades he had was trashed up to Cambridge. Cambridge even replied alot of queries on Buhari's result. Its left up to you to research and arm yourself with details.
I blame myself for arguing with you who just found out Cambridge conducted WASC during the 50s and 60s. If you just found that one out, there are alot you will find out. Dont keep arguing without the whole facts.
Oh, in addition, do you know what a confirmation is? Its a letter telling who ever you present yourself to that you are a graduate of the school. It doesn't replace your certificate in whatever way. Do you know that even those who have completed the requisite conditions for the award of a degree but have not been awarded can get a confirmation.
I had one in which i used to get a job before i went for NYSC. When you get a Federal Civil Service job, present a confirmation and see how your employment will be thrown to the next person.
Lastly, do you know why a certificate is irreplaceable? Its because it carries security features no other document you have will get. When you deal with government or its agencies or organized private sector or foreign institutions, they deal with either your certificate or transcript delivered directly from your school. The only other thing that they deal with is a police report and affidavit. Dont decieve yourself, the affidavit you have is much more important to the confirmation you have.
It is very pathetic to see that your replies do not reflect any understanding of anything I have said
When I mentioned In my previous post that it just occurred to me that it was cambridge not WAEC that conducted the exam, you interpreted it to mean I just knew now.Recollecting a fact now does not mean you do not know it before. It. You are among one of those misinforming people that it was WAEC if not why the WAEC extract you posted. Check this tread and any other one concerning this issue, all you see is WAEC. Instead of excepting your mistake you want to mischievously turn it around to show I just knew now. You have failed woefully
Let me try and explain in a simple way the issue in contention so you can understand and reply appropriately. Someone swore to an affidavit that his original credentials are missing. Another says it is not true that the person at anytime actually had any certificate. So what happens? Let us go to court. What will the court do? Demand a confirmation on the authenticity of the result in contention. from who? The secondary school or Cambridge? My answer? Cambridge and not the school. Now" why allow the matter to drag to the extent of going to court and you spending millions of naira to hire SANS to defend you in a matter you can easily solve by getting confirmation from Cambridge with less than 10 thousand naira. If you are in that same position what would you do.?
Finally, people swore to and affidavit claiming what is not true. Does it mean anyone cannot challenge it in a court of law if the person has evidence that you lied under oath Hope you reply show a thorough understanding of the matter at hand if not I would not bother to reply you
adanny01: How is what you are saying any different to what i am saying. Did you get your original certificates back?
Did you see the screenshot i shared? Question 18 to be precise. See it below.
A certificate reads, "this is to certify that ........" or "This certifies that".
I repeat, you never get reissued a certificate when you lose it.
You get several other things, a certified true copy, a confirmation, a testimonial, a statement of result but never a replacement of that certificate. This is a fact and not an argument.
As a person who lost his documents, when you get a new job and they ask you to bring original certificates for viewing, you dont take just your certificate true copy, confirmation or whatever you got, you first of all give the affidavit that says you lost your certificate, then present the alternative you've got. Without that affidavit, nothing else would explain why you dont have a certificate. You got a confirmation and a certified true copy, they are not your certificate. There are situations you will be asked of a certificate amd not a statement.
For example, when i registered for NSE you take your original certificate for viewing. Take a statement of result, confirmation or certified true copy you will not qualify, but attach an affidavit, the affidavit enables them to accept those other documents you have.
FYI, both my parents were school principals, my father for over 20 years of his civil service career. Reissue of certificate is the crime not issueing a statement. Do you know that a confirmation of result is invalid in your hands? It is inadmissible in most cases. A confirmation is like a transcript, it is meant to be sent directly from WAEC to a third party organization.
It is obvious you did not take your time to read my reply I never at any time mention that anyone receives an original as replacement. I was giving a confirmation document as replacement not the original. When I mentioned the copy in my file in the exams and records, I explained that it was the photocopy of the original I made when I collected the original. Except you have never collected any certificate before then you should know that is one of the process. The reason I was giving that to make a copy of is because a staff who is a close relative begged on my behalf and I also tipped them if not you do not have access to the copy in your file.
It has occur to me now that it was cambridge and not WAEC that conducted the exam which certificate is now in dispute. So it seems you do not really have all the facts concerning this issue. We do not know the exact procedure for cambridge. But if we assume it this same and we want to use the document you pasted then I can tell you that what you have there is only a brief explanation of the process.
Statements of results are no longer reissued once the certificate is already. out. If you lose your certificate after collecting it you do not go back to demand for statement of result. What the school does is to initiate the process of confirmation on your behalf. Now the question is, did the principal initiate,this process on behalf of the president. If he did, then confirmation should be out by now and if not why? That is the only means to resolve this issue. The confirmation will authenticate whatever statement of result that the principal has already issued out. Affidavit cannot help in this case, If it is confirmed that the statement of result is not correct and the said candidate did not sit for the exam it means the he has lied under oath.
It seems you do not know that the result and the exam belongs to Cambridge, This is not a university certificate. When there is any dispute concerning a secondary school certificate, it is the examination body which the school is affiliated to that validates it. I said it was illegal -—maybe not a crime yet—because the school principal did not follow the right process. If we accept that he did was the right thing then it means anyone can walk into any schoo and demand for statement of result. Do not forget that the said original was issued over 60 years ago. Why a statement now and not a confirmation?
To put and end to this matter let the school initiate the process of confirmation once that is done and it is confirmed, case close. The army can continue to have it in their possession. It does not matter anymore. Finally, the fact that your dad has over 20 years experience in public service does not mean he has experienced it all. You said what he has is an affidavit and a remnant of his certificate. Why has he not gone for confirmation yet? does it mean he is not aware of this? University hand over to you a document which stand for the original. Unlike a secondary school, it is not sent on your behalf to any person or organization.
Thats if you have a copy of the cert, the school will authenticate it as a certified true copy but will not give you a replacement for that certificate or any copy for that matter.
Schools dont keep copies of certs they give so they dont give you certified true copy if you dont bring one.
Its you the certificate holder that brings a copy of the cert for the school to authenticate as a certified true copy.
A certified true copy is not the same as the certificate.
Only an affidavit replaces the non existence of an original certificate. A certified true copy doesnt.
Modified
Check the WAEC FAQ 18 and 14
Honestly, right from your first post on this tread, you have not shown that you really understand the process involved in the issuance of a replacement for a missing certificate in Nigeria, It is obvious that what you know is based on your father's experience and snippets of information you got from the media.
My certificates were stolen 8 years ago. This happened at a time I really needed it. Before it happened , I used to believe, just like you and so many others, that once you lose your original certificates then nothing can be done about it or you cannot get a replacement that can stand for the original. But I have since discovered that you can actually get a replacement from the original issuer to stand for the missing and burnt or even if it is with the army.
When I could not find my certificates were I kept them, I initially did not know what to do until a relative whom I narrated the incident to advised me on the actual steps to take to get them replaced. And they were simple steps.
I first of all got a police report and also an affidavit. Armed with this, I went to the university I graduated from to inform them and also to get a form of replacement. While there, I was directed to exams and records. My file was brought out to confirm if I actually graduated. When it was confirmed I was issued a formal confirmation document having my school's letter head which serves as a replacement and luckily for me the photocopy I made of my original certificate was still in my file. I was asked to make a photocopy of that too. If you have ever collected any kind of certificate you should remember that you are asked to make a copy of the original. You return this copy with a statement'original copy received by me' written by you at the bottom as a form of evidence that you collected the original. The reason I mention this, is because the military if they cannot find the original should atleast have a kind of confirmation that it was 'original submitted by me'. that they have The school he claimed to have sat for his Cambridge should also have in their file a copy with the statement 'original result received by me' . Issuing him a statement of results after so many years is not only illegal but also a crime. Statement of result is only valid for a period of time, at most 4 years and after then you do not reissue it. I got this information from a senior waec official who also told me that if your certificate is missing you go to the school were you sat for the exam and apply through them for a confirmation of result. If you are a private candidate you go to waec office and apply directly. I repeat no school as the right to issue any form of replacement without the consent of waec. If in doubt you can confirm from waec. If you lose your original, yes, go to your school but they have to contact the original exam body for a replacement. If waec is not close to confirm this, you can confirm from the principal of any school near you will be told the same thing. Most people do not know this because not many persons lose their certificates
So for me at the moment I have replacements for every of my certificate stolen even my NYSC.I choose to reply you not because of politics but to make you see that you are misinforming others who at this moment have lost their credentials or may later. Do not believe or trust everything you read in the media most of them have interest they are protecting
Finally, let your dad know he can get a replacement for his cerfitcate if he goes to his Alma mater.The process is not difficult. I am sure in his file he can find the photocopy he made while collecting the original. With a little tip he can beg to make a copy. That should be more presentable than the embarrassing remnant of the certificate he has in is possession
A lot of people now think it is difficult or practically impossible to get a replacement because of this buhari certificate saga. Other than this I do not have anything other thing against. him. The people who want to replace him cannot change Nigeria the are only fighting for their interests
Thats if you have a copy of the cert, the school will authenticate it as a certified true copy but will not give you a replacement for that certificate or any copy for that matter.
Schools dont keep copies of certs they give so they dont give you certified true copy if you dont bring one.
Its you the certificate holder that brings a copy of the cert for the school to authenticate as a certified true copy.
A certified true copy is not the same as the certificate.
Only an affidavit replaces the non existence of an original certificate. A certified true copy doesnt.
Modified
Check the WAEC FAQ 18 and 14
Honestly, right from your first post on this tread, you have not shown that you really understand the process involved in the issuance of a replacement for a missing certificate in Nigeria, It is obvious that what you know is based on your father's experience and snippets of information you got from the media.
My certificates were stolen 8 years ago. This happened at a time I really needed it. Before it happened , I used to believe, just like you and so many others, that once you lose your original certificates then nothing can be done about it or you cannot get a replacement that can stand for the original. But I have since discovered that you can actually get a replacement from the original issuer to stand for the missing and burnt or even if it is with the army.
When I could not find my certificates were I kept them, I initially did not know what to do until a relative whom I narrated the incident to advised me on the actual steps to take to get them replaced. And they were simple steps.
I first of all got a police report and also an affidavit. Armed with this, I went to the university I graduated from to inform them and also to get a form of replacement. While there, I was directed to exams and records. My file was brought out to confirm if I actually graduated. When it was confirmed I was issued a formal confirmation document having my school's letter head which serves as a replacement and luckily for me the photocopy I made of my original certificate was still in my file. I was asked to make a photocopy of that too. If you have ever collected any kind of certificate you should remember that you are asked to make a copy of the original. You return this copy with a statement'original copy received by me' written by you at the bottom as a form of evidence that you collected the original. The reason I mention this, is because the military if they cannot find the original should atleast have a kind of confirmation that it was 'original submitted by me'. that they have The school he claimed to have sat for his Cambridge should also have in their file a copy with the statement 'original result received by me' . Issuing him a statement of results after so many years is not only illegal but also a crime. Statement of result is only valid for a period of time, at most 4 years and after then you do not reissue it. I got this information from a senior waec official who also told me that if your certificate is missing you go to the school were you sat for the exam and apply through them for a confirmation of result. If you are a private candidate you go to waec office and apply directly. I repeat no school as the right to issue any form of replacement without the consent of waec. If in doubt you can confirm from waec. If you lose your original, yes, go to your school but they have to contact the original exam body for a replacement. If waec is not close to confirm this, you can confirm from the principal of any school near you will be told the same thing. Most people do not know this because not many persons lose their certificates
So for me at the moment I have replacements for every of my certificate stolen even my NYSC.I choose to reply you not because of politics but to make you see that you are misinforming others who at this moment have lost their credentials or may later. Do not believe or trust everything you read in the media most of them have interest they are protecting
Finally, let your dad know he can get a replacement for his cerfitcate if he goes to his Alma mater.The process is not difficult. I am sure in his file he can find the photocopy he made while collecting the original. With a little tip he can beg to make a copy. That should be more presentable than the embarrassing remnant of the certificate he has in is possession
A lot of people now think it is difficult or practically impossible to get a replacement because of this buhari certificate saga. Other than this I do not have anything other thing against. him. The people who want to replace him cannot change Nigeria the are only fighting for their interests
Thats if you have a copy of the cert, the school will authenticate it as a certified true copy but will not give you a replacement for that certificate or any copy for that matter.
Schools dont keep copies of certs they give so they dont give you certified true copy if you dont bring one.
Its you the certificate holder that brings a copy of the cert for the school to authenticate as a certified true copy.
A certified true copy is not the same as the certificate.
Only an affidavit replaces the non existence of an original certificate. A certified true copy doesnt.
Modified
Check the WAEC FAQ 18 and 14
Honestly, right from your first post on this tread, you have not shown that you really understand the process involved in the issuance of a replacement for a missing certificate in Nigeria, It is obvious that what you know is based on your father's experience and snippets of information you got from the media.
My certificates were stolen 8 years ago. This happened at a time I really needed it. Before it happened , I used to believe, just like you and so many others, that once you lose your original certificates then nothing can be done about it or you cannot get a replacement that can stand for the original. But I have since discovered that you can actually get a replacement from the original issuer to stand for the missing and burnt or even if it is with the army.
When I could not find my certificates were I kept them, I initially did not know what to do until a relative whom I narrated the incident to advised me on the actual steps to take to get them replaced. And they were simple steps.
I first of all got a police report and also an affidavit. Armed with this, I went to the university I graduated from to inform them and also to get a form of replacement. While there, I was directed to exams and records. My file was brought out to confirm if I actually graduated. When it was confirmed I was issued a formal confirmation document having my school's letter head which serves as a replacement and luckily for me the photocopy I made of my original certificate was still in my file. I was asked to make a photocopy of that too. If you have ever collected any kind of certificate you should remember that you are asked to make a copy of the original. You return this copy with a statement'original copy received by me' written by you at the bottom as a form of evidence that you collected the original. The reason I mention this, is because the military if they cannot find the original should atleast have a kind of confirmation that it was 'original submitted by me'. that they have The school he claimed to have sat for his Cambridge should also have in their file a copy with the statement 'original result received by me' . Issuing him a statement of results after so many years is not only illegal but also a crime. Statement of result is only valid for a period of time, at most 4 years and after then you do not reissue it. I got this information from a senior waec official who also told me that if your certificate is missing you go to the school were you sat for the exam and apply through them for a confirmation of result. If you are a private candidate you go to waec office and apply directly. I repeat no school as the right to issue any form of replacement without the consent of waec. If in doubt you can confirm from waec. If you lose your original, yes, go to your school but they have to contact the original exam body for a replacement. If waec is not close to confirm this, you can confirm from the principal of any school near you will be told the same thing. Most people do not know this because not many persons lose their certificates
So for me at the moment I have replacements for every of my certificate stolen even my NYSC.I choose to reply you not because of politics but to make you see that you are misinforming others who at this moment have lost their credentials or may later. Do not believe or trust everything you read in the media most of them have interest they are protecting
Finally, let your dad know he can get a replacement for his cerfitcate if he goes to his Alma mater.The process is not difficult. I am sure in his file he can find the photocopy he made while collecting the original. With a little tip he can beg to make a copy. That should be more presentable than the embarrassing remnant of the certificate he has in is possession
A lot of people now think it is difficult or practically impossible to get a replacement because of this buhari certificate saga. Other than this I do not have anything other thing against. him. The people who want to replace him cannot change Nigeria the are only fighting for their interests
rosalieene: it is real...... from experience... You suddenly feel this weakness, like been controlled even in your conscious mind. like something took charge of you and then you don't know what you're doing especially as you keep screaming.
I have also observed that once the spirit has taken charge of you once, subsequent times, you keep falling under anointing but people out there would call it pretense because you fall all the time. For me, sometimes when you try to hold back or refuse, it would seem like something is tormenting you and pheewww! by force, the spirit of God takes charge.
You have actually highlighted the dangers of the so called anointing business without realizing it.
What pentecostal pastors refer to as falling under the anointing is a form of hypnotism called dark shadow hypnotism. At your spare time, you can Google it. Just type, dark shadow hypnotism.
The aim of this hypnosis business(ANOINTING) is to take over your spiritual center, your will.Once that happens the first time or you allow it to happen to you, then, as you have observed, it happens easily again and again. And as you have also observed, it is as if something is trying control you which you try to resist without success
Pastors who do this do not know or understand what is actually happening and because of the ignorance they ascribe it to God or the holy spirit. It is actually black magic or if do not want to describe it as such, then you can call it psychological manipulation
When you give away your will in the name of coming under the anointing you actually put yourself under the control of another who may take advantage of you.
This is not to make you leave church but for you to know what is actually happening so you can protect yourself. Once you know and understand the mechanism involved in this practice, then, the spell is broken and you find that you have control again.
Not all churches do this. So you can always find a safer group to fellowship with. The choice is yours
SarkinYarki: So because ya master refuse to settle you that's why you want to kill Nigerians with poisonous wine and yet you left your master free ..What a stupid excuse
Why are we not told what kind of trade or business the master is involved in? Mission road and new Lagos axis in benin is where adulterated achoholic and non achoholic beverages are produced If we cannot know what the master does, then I suspect he is also involved in the illicit business . He should be questioned too I have lived in benin so I know what goes on there and the police also know but they have refused to do anything about it.
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