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The premise that PEOPLE received tithes after the law and no one condemned them.

^^^
that is a lie!

Unless you dont know how the law came to an end.

It is christ blood that put the law to an end.
So, when christ was alive the law was still in force.

You need to really upgrade.

Dont you read christ saying that his blood "is for the new covanantq"?

It is the blood of christ that enforces the new covanant.

onyfrank: I am not against tithing. But a good and spiritual pastor should know that he dnt hav to pay tithe in his own church, he must pay tithe in anoda chrch.
Tithing is one of d natural laws, i am getn d benefits. If u dnt keep the law, it wil keep itself; u may count it as lost wen d law want to tek its own. Pls tithers, ride on.

voluntary giving is out of love for God and man and i do it.

I dont do tithing but give out of a cheerful heart.

but then, God is righteouse and lets his rain fall on the roof of the righteouse and the unrighteouse.

People that works heart had will reap while a lazy person will go hungary.

God is good to all sort of men and does not operate based on bribe to dish out favours.

Greed is the reasons people ask for tith when God has put an end to it.

Bidam: Giving is the only proof that u have conquered GREED and that includes tithes and offering:..mike murdock

tith?

^^^

thats a lie.

You can give more than 10% no problem, a compulsory 10%? No.

Christian giving is from the heart out of love and not under compulsion.

Compulsory tithing is a Jewish thing.
Compulsory tithing for christians is a fraud.

Christians give out of love cheerfully, for God loves a cheerful giver.

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Bidam: I hope ur sacrificial giving is a lifestyle cos the way ur hampered on tithe as if it is not a biblical principle beats my imagination..allow us sheep to grow till we get to that level of revelation.The word of God is not by english or grammer sorry; but by the conviction of the Holy Spirit..i just listened to frederick kc price where he said he started his givings with 10% before growin to a level of 40%..He is talking from personal experience..and pls pls dont tell me our fathers of the faith have missed it..and the way u sound pple should not even sow into God's kingdom which to me is false..Agreed charlatans have used this to milk the sheep let God be the judge not u.

men, stop whining!

We should leave what the bible says and take your exploitatative stance.

The work belongs to God and he has given instruction on how it should be done and you are crying that people should even pay 40%

are you saying that God made a mistake?

If you dont have anything to contribute to this thread you better leave.

Why are you crying more than the owner of the corps? Is christianity functioning with your instructions.

Some people are really a pain to others because of greed.

If you wish to pay your 90% has any body stoped you?

Must you come to an open forum to cry?

All we are doing here is to bring out what the bible says QED.

If you think that what is being said here is wrong produce counter evidence and we will accept your stand

though tithing command is all over the OT by many prophets, just show only one scripture or produce a single scripture that commanded christians to pay tith in the NT and we will all start paying tith.

If not dont cry for us cause no man is interested in you vain opinion neither can you reward anybody with eternal life.


Who said we dont give money in voluntary contribution? We do.


Peace.

tpia1: well, he said it and that's that, @ topic.


anybody who feels offended should suck a sour lemon.

una no get elders for house sha.

so you are 1 of those that worship this "man"?

Better read the bible and get God's mind on issues.

Kay 17: Does this mean that the Unchanging God changed his mind? And that the old testament is irrelevant?

with all your posting on this forum and bashing the bible you dont even know what is contain inside.

plappville: Bros, thank you jare, you have been doing some good job here....They will ignore plain scripture that contradict thier believe.
That's the problem, initially, i thought everyone cares to know the truth of the bible, but this thread is an eye opening, people can argue just for arguement sake. Not because they want to hold on to what the scripture says.

most of them have different agender but will all carry the bible for credibility.

They dont care about what is contain inside if it will not serve their motive.

Looks can be deceitful.

Logicboy03: [size=18pt]

1) It is very clear how Anony doesnt understand the issues with religious polls. Many people identify with their traditional religion or religion of their parents just to tick a box but they arent religious at all. This is why you would have the same country having 70% in a religion while also having about 50% who are atheists.

Take UK for example, it is not true that 71% are actually christians. They tick the box to fill in a religion. When asked if they believe in god, the answer is no. We know for a fact that the atheists or irreligious are close to 40% of the poplation. Worse still, the BBC reports even higher numbers of recent- Claiming that two thirds of the British are not religious http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-12799801


2) Just because a poll shows that 30% do not believe in God, it doesnt translate to 70% believing in god. Out of that remaining 70%, you have the people who dont know and the people who dont tick any answer.
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Ok, i see your point.

Most atheist are HYPOCRITES right?

Logicboy03: [size=18pt]^^^I want everybody to take a good at how pitiful Anony has become.


When someone is so desperate to diminish the truth that debunks his religion, he can go to any lengths to deny the truth![/size]

but Anony stats are more realistic than yours being that it came from the countries national census. No?

Ubenedictus: just a note, i didn't use d bolded words. And God's prescience is dont dependent on man's relationship with God, God knows what will happen independent of mans' relationship. God know d future by d very fact that he is God. I repeat God is prescient by the fact that he is God not by relationship.
So yes i hold that God wasn't ignorant of d man will chose, infact i hold that God know the end from the beginning.
Lastly friend God is alway "sorry" when man sins that doesn't mean God was ignorant that man will sin.
Thank you.

what some silly contradiction.

Well, God cant operate at this your low frequency.

seriallink: @Mr Ube,

You do know that the relationship between God and man (before the original sin) is not the same as after the original sin right? So, to suggest that God actually gave man free will before original sin and also predestined him to fall is wrong! That would just be like a setup my guy.

If man had fallen according to God's predestination, there would be no reason for Him (God) to be sorry He created man!

Genesis 6:6 And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.

beautiful ^^^

Ubenedictus: are you denying Gods ominiscience? Or are you denying his prescience or foreknowledge? A verse 4 u I MAKE KNOWN THE END FROM THE BEGINNING, FROM ANCIENT TIMES WHAT IS STILL TO COME. I SAY MY PURPOSE WILL STAND AND I WILL DO AS I PLEASE that is is 46:10

God created d devil a good even as he chose to fall and he created adam good even as he chose to fall, yet i maintain that as isaiah says the lord truly knew the outcome of the whole story even b4 it started. God didnt make man fall, but God knew man will fall and becos God created man with freewill God allowed man fall. GOD DIDNT NEED TO WAIT AND SEE THE RESULT, HE ALWAY KNEW.

these are ur own words not mine!
these are also ur words

bring it on, ur accusation are just too much 4 me now, if u have a problem speak! U are d one calling God a liar by insinuating that God didnt know what will happen, i repeat God needed no "proof" he already knew what will happen! Not becos he staged it but becos he has both knowledge of d past, present and future!

bring it on! Speak if u are bold enough and if ur comments are true!

if God had destroyed Adam and satan from the onset how will the faithful angels have come to know that satan was unto no good?

God let him run his cause for all to see.

That is why you and me are able to know that satan is a liar, well, not you and me but me and others minus you and Obediah777 that sees "good in satan"

God can foreodain whatever he has interest in, and can tell what the future will be if he is interest on that issue and work to see it to the end. But it is not all that man has Interest in that Yahweh will be interested in.

If i decide to be immoral tomorrow are you saying that Yahweh will still be interested in that or he will abandon me to my desire?

Yes, he will abandon such a person but he knows all the ways of man that he has already giving laws and warning to that end.

Like Adam, he said, "if you eat from the tree of knowledge of good and bad you will positively die"

yes, Adam will die God said, not that he had already predestine him to eat and die, but he God being the source of life to Adam knows he will abandon him should he disobeyed him being the source of life and that will lead to Adam's death since he was the one sustaining him and can sustain him for all eternity. Disconnection will lead to death.

^^^ Yahweh and satan cannot shear anything(both masters cannot shear)

God knowing of the future is Good, that enable him to give infallible laws that can stand the test of time and put confidence in us that all he has promise will come to pass, but not to use that to justified predestination of all men.

Same thing for Esau and Jecob, God shows by his foresight that he appreciate those that have a love of spiritual things and hate those that shows disdain for spiritual things.

This rather build my faith in his promises for the future.

Same goes with the intake of blood, from the time of Noah till the time of the Israelite, to the apostles, God said dont eat blood though all the nations all around were eating blood.

How will he had explain what "HIV aids" is for those ancient people to understand what he meant?

But he simply said dont eat blood.
And all those that have had full trust and confidence on Yahweh have reap countless blessing from that obedience and will also be rewarded with eternal life for being obedient to him.

Such are the beauty of Yahweh's foresight.

Logicboy03: Later you will be on your knees like a good christian begging for forgiveness for insulting my parents

my apology on his behalf.

Lol on this two opposite.

Logicboy03: see this dumbazz. who is running away? is that why you think I'm an atheist?


The fact that I'm criticising christianity and islam here is nothing abi?

it is necessary to criticise religion.

Their excesses are too much.

Goshen360: @ JeSoul,

http://www.nigeriavillagesquare.com/forum/main-square/57587-no-tithe-no-wedding-so-says-adeboye-rccg.html

http://www..com/talk/topic,46039.0.html

It's actually an old story.....but "touch not mine anointed and do my prophet no harm".

thanks for saving this thread

adahib: Just didn't know where to place this topic.i decided to place it here in the religion section for no reason.
That said,something happened that brought this question to my mind.a friend of mine lost his wife a few weeks ago and suddenly,was afraid of going home.claiming he sees the wife wherever he turns.he is not the only one with this unexplained fear of his dead wife.
for some,when they see their dead parents in their dreams,they wake up screaming,praying,binding or doing some other crap like that.when you think of it,it is just plain weird.i mean these were the same people they spent most of their lives with,people they loved.i just dont get it.is it just me or is there really something to fear in a dead loved one?

"know the truth and the truth will set you free"

advocate666: Price to pay for what? Satanism is not by force.

price to pay for your wife marrying someone like you.

[quote author=frosbel][/quote]if there is no organization for uniformity like we had among the israelite.

And we have over 40,000 churches with differ doctrine how will you ensure a uniformity of "truth" that will be preach in all the inhabited earth bearing in mined that to be saved hangs on :

"coming to an accurate knowledge of the truth" - 1timothy 2:3,4?

Will you send loose set to different part of the world to spread doctrines that is not the "truth"?

If you do, how then can you say you had served the purpose of christ that said he will reject people for being workers of lawlessness(not based on the truth)?

The reason for this questions is to ascertain the veracity of an individualistic christianity without need for organization.

Note the focus of my question is on the greater picture of preaching to people of all the earth as christ commanded.

Boomark: @barristers

John was never referred to as an angel...no body will agree with you on that.

Truthislight do you agree with him that john is an angel?

i have not red were @ barrister said that John was an angel o!

He said that the word messenger is used for:

1. Angels
2. jesus
3. John

that there are spirit messengers and human messengers.

Jesus and angels are also messengers but spirit messengers.

That the same word is used in the case of this three messengers.
Peace.

true2god: @ Barrister, pls i need u tell the whole world reading your long post so far, is Jesus christ an angel? Please answer yes or no.

Thank u.

Jesus christ has been exalted above the Angels after coming to earth and went back to heaven.

While he was in heaven befor coming to earth he was the leader of the angel.

^^^
that is what this thread is all about.

This thread also shows that spirit messengers(sons) of Yahweh are called angels of which Jesus was also called the "messenger of the covanant"

the word archangel means the leader of the angels

stop your emotional argument and face the facts.
peace

Ubenedictus: they are called apocryphal by protestants becos martin luthur removed them from the protestant bible in the 16 century, those book are part of the christian bible compiled by the early christians!

and you have not told us which of christ apostles wrote the apocriphal books since the NT are written by christ apostles.

Ubenedictus: there is original sin i never denied that "as sin came into d world thru one man so did salvation...". What i contend with is truthislight's claim that God wanted to give satan a chance to prove dat satans' plans will b good 4 man, that i repeat is a load of crap! God already knew what d outcome of satan's pranks will be all God need is for man-a free willed creature to chose wu will be his master, and unfortunately man in adam made the wrong choice and "wanted to be like gods" and disobeyed God.

i dont know how this ^^^ translate to what you had said "that God knows the end from the beginning of everything and how it will turn out"

meaning that Yahweh already knows/created Adam that satan will test him and Adam will fall right from the start.

That is all we have is the way Yahweh predestined it to be.

Why twist the meaning of what you had said?

was this not what you had said to me:

Ubenedictus: God didnt need satan's "proof" my bible say the lord knows the end from the begining,

^^^ is what i mean, the other is a comaflag.

you will change like a camelaeon?

It also means that there is nothing like the original sin since all is a stage by Yahweh.

You completely contradicted the bible and called God a liar.

May be that is what you learnt in your.......

Ubenedictus: God didnt need satan's "proof" my bible say the lord knows the end from the begining, he didnt need to see adam eat d fruit b4 he will know dat satan'r plan was nuts.

Adam was a free moral Agent or freewill agent.

What is the use of freewill if Adam could not exercised it?

If you should build a toy car with a remote control and then remote controlled it into a ditched after which you pulled it out and smartched it for falling into the ditch.

Between you and the toy car who is insane?
Are you not the one that drove it into the ditched?

If Adam was predestined to eat the fruit, it would mean insanity on Yahweh's part to come and punish him with death including his children that has all been predestined also since he did the predestination in the firstt place. Who is fooling who?

Friend, set your theory/theology right and stop painting Yahweh black.

That i love and can play music does not mean that i will be playing music 24/7, 30days a month/ 365days a year till infinity.

^^^ No

there is time for every thing.

I will play music and also do other things.

We are created in God's image.

Yahweh does only what that pleases him in justice and love.

He says his face is toward the righteouse and the unrighteouse are something detestable to him his eye does not behold evil.

Yes, if he wishes, he can foretell the future like in the case of Jesus coming to earth and Giving us a kingdom.

That does not mean that he does not endowed his intelligent creatures with dignity to decide what to do.

If satan feels that God predestine every person why did he go and tempt Adam and succeeded and went for Jesus and fail?

The truth is that satan knows that Yahweh does not predestined human and that is why he goes and tempt them to fall.

He only offered Job protection and not that he had predestined Job, so, satan only ask that the protection be removed.

Yes, satan needed worship from Yahweh's intelligent creatures and has started out in heaven, but Adam had a choice on who to obey and hence the instructions.

Yahweh is a God of Justice Job 34:10-12

^^^

"Yahweh is a God of justice and does not pervat judgment, according to the way earthling man acts so God will reward him"

advocate666: At last we agree that my Master is in charge and all your prayers and fasting and wailing cannot change anything.
Your god finally accepted his weakness and abandoned you.
To us who believe in Him, all His works are marvellous.
Your god has gone awol!

i know you can do better than that ^^^

however, that was why christ came.

First, he was driven out of heaven.
Read Rev. 12:7 down

satan was and has already been sent out of heaven, though to the earth.

the short period of time he has on earth is far gone he will soon be imprison.


Next, he will be sent out of earth to the abyse- Rev. 20:1-3

like i had said, the short period of time he has on earth is far gone he will soon be imprison.

Meanwhile, his imprisonment will come with the destruction of all unGodly. -Rev. 19:11-18.

If you like, keep deceiving yourself.

The time is far gone(shorter) than you can imagined.

frosbel: ^^^

Oh yes, another copy and paste job with the source quoted

well, the people are the church right.

But one man is not the church.

The people of Yahweh has always been organised.

The Jews were organised,

Jesus organised his disciples for the preaching work.

Early christian were also organised.

Christians has a commisioned to "go there for and make disciple of people of all the nations" matthew 28:18,19

^^^

to do that work, organisation is needed.

Can you explain how it can be done without organisation of christians?

Boomark: @barristers

When man is being created, he comes as a human being and does what human beings do ie he possess human characteristics.

The same goes with angels, they are created for the purpose the are to serve.

That is why the angel is a fellow servant but john can not called a fellow angel. Though he is a messenger but was not created as the other messenger(angel). See Heb 1:7 on how the other messenger(angel) is made. Due their nature they are called angels to differentiate them from other messengers.

Hebrews 1:7
7 Of the angels he says, "Who
makes his angels winds, and his
servants flames of fire."

whats your point here?

ijawkid: Happy??....the last time I checked you said you were cheating on her like crazy......

And you call that happy??

and the wife is a "christian". Lol.

That is the price she has to pay.

JeSoul: ^its not about being a mod. Its about recognizing God has people in every "nation" and blanket criticisms that lump an entire group of people into one category is ...silly .

ok, i see.

Well, do read 1timothy 2:3,4

accurate knowledge of the "truth" a necessity for being saved.

John 17:17
truth = God's word

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