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Goshen360: I have shown Ijawkid and truthislight where the Bible calls the Holy Spirit God but they discarded the scripture that they don't agree with it. It was strange to me anyway but they are my good brothers, lolz. Truthislight and Frosbel, (I don't know and am not sure the position of Ijawkid); believes the Holy Spirit is a force or power. This is totally strange to the scripture. A force doesn't speak, doesn't have mind etc but the bible makes it clear that the Holy Spirit is NOT a force or power but a being that speak etc. Let every man sit to study the bible with all humility and open mind to be taught by the Holy Spirit.

Ubenedictus: are u joking? Is ur knowledge of history so shallow? Where did u hear that d catholic church left d bible in GREEK?

Pastor AIO: Interesting points that have got me thinking include what is said around 31:13. Christians wouldn't participate in public festivals and that made people suspicious of them. It got me thinking about the contrasts of religion as a Civic affair or as a Personal affair.

When a city or nation believes that it's welfare depends on the practice of certain religious festivals and rituals then that is Civic religion. But what happens when your civic duty clashes with your personal beliefs? Can you remain a good citizen of a city of you do not partake in civic rituals? It kinda remains me of an argument that a Moslem made a couple of months ago that apostates of islam can be tried for Treason only in a Moslem country. I can't remember the thread or who made the point but it made sense. If Islam is the state religion then apostasy amounts to Treason.


39:19 Which came first the Eucharist or the Theology of what it means? What did the first Eucharist really mean to those that partook?


43:18 I have often asked if the term 'Logos' in Christian theology is to be understood in the same sense that the greco-romans understood the term. Tertullian apparently considered them the same. He said (to pagan philosophers): "God made this universe by his word reason and power. Your philosophers also agree that the maker of the universe seems to be the Logos, that is word and reason. This Word we have learned was produced by God so therefore is called the Son of God."

Shortly after that they make the interesting point that as christianity became more philosophical the theological aspects became as important or more important than the actual practice of the religion. this is a trend that has gone amok today whereby what makes you a christian is what you THINK about God rather than how you worship him and practice his will.

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Pastor AIO: Something to watch when you're up from 3 am to 6 am. In other words when you are suffering from insomnia. I found that it was quite factual without pushing any agendas.

BARRISTERS: @Alethia

John 5:5
New International Version (NIV)
5 Who is it that overcomes the world? [size=14pt]Only the one who believes that Jesus is the Son of God.
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BARRISTERS: Jesus is the Son of God.
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aletheia: And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation; And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.
Rev 5:9-10

For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)
Rom 5:17

Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
Rev 20:6

aletheia: Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?
1 Co 6:3

Go not forth hastily to strive, lest thou know not what to do in the end thereof, when thy neighbour hath put thee to shame.
Pro 25:8

mkmyers45: Yeah Yeah...its suprising that nobody has been able to grab all these money despite the overwhelming claims on paranomial activity..

Berkeley01: I had a discussion with a member of 'The Brotherhood of the Cross and Star,(A.K.A)Olumba Olumba Obu(O.O.O)" as to the personality of their leader,the lady said that he is the comforter,that is, the holy-spirit promised the church by Jesus. I am puzzled,so i want to know if the Holy spirit can be in the bodily form? Because the word "spirit" means "invisible".

Pastor Kun: The bolded sums it up beautifully.

aletheia: Every true believer is chosen to rule alongside Christ. . .

chukwudi44: The NT are books written by Jesus Apostles.

Luke and mark only wrote history.

Books/teachings are exclusive of the apostles.

I can't really believe what I am reading!!! That Mark and Luke are only just histories!!! Is that what Charles Russel taught you? FYI the gospels are the most regarded books of the bible.This is because they contain the direct teachings of the master himself.It is only in the gospels you find him speaking directly to us and not through an intermediary.

If I were to ask you who really is an apostle of Jesus? How does one become an Apostle?

If the phrase 'Jesus's apostles' were to be used in the strictest sense even paul would not be considered an apostle because he was not one of the twelve.He did not even know jesus while he was on this earth.when time came to find Jesus's replacement the apostles had stressed the person must have been with them right from the begining. So my brother God can choose to write to us through anybody. Majority of the books of the NT were written by men like Paul,Timothy,Sylvanus,Jude and James who were not really part of the twelve apostles

chukwudi44: I can't really believe what I am reading!!! That Mark and Luke are only just histories!

chukwudi44: Is that what Charles Russel taught you?

chukwudi44: FYI the gospels are the most regarded books of the bible.This is because they contain the direct teachings of the master

chukwudi44: It is only in the gospels you find him speaking directly to us and not through an intermediary.

chukwudi44: If I were to ask you who really is an apostle of Jesus?

chukwudi44: If the phrase 'Jesus's apostles' were to be used in the strictest sense even paul would not be considered an apostle because he was not one of the twelve.He did not even know jesus while he was on this earth.when time came to find Jesus's replacement the apostles had stressed the person must have been with them right from the begining.

chukwudi44: So my brother God can choose to write to us through anybody

chukwudi44: Majority of the books of the NT were written by men like Paul,Timothy,Sylvanus,Jude and James who were not really part of the twelve apostles

Jenwitemi: In which creation tale is that? The first one or the second?.

Jenwitemi: I have crashed in your fantasy? I am no bible reader, bro, that is supposed to be your domain. What did the creation story in the genesis say to you that happened between building Adam from clay and making Eve from Adam's rib cage? I am sure you have read that part before. Tell me when you have refreshed your memory or reread the holy book.

Jenwitemi: And "HE" loves MEN, obviously. He has no use for women, apparently.

chukwudi44: Disclaimer; I never claimed Timothy wrote the book of Timothy.It is inconceivable that he would be writing to himself.if you know where I said suc kindly reproduce it here.

chukwudi44: do you even know the timothy you are quoting is inspired?
You know absolutely nothing about christian history yet you keep jumping here and there you know it all,

chukwudi44: How do you know what you call word of God is scripture? Is it not because these same church fathers passed it down to us.did you see any where it is written that mattew,mark,luke or john wrote any gospels?

chukwudi44: .How do you even know the timothy you are quoting is inspired?

debosky: Stop being foolish - I am talking about THE SAVIOUR, not one of many.



You need to coach yourself first.

An apostle is different from The apostle, just as The Saviour is different from A Saviour. There can be numerous 'a saviours' but only one 'The saviour'.

You do not comprehend what 'exactly the same' but on a 'grander scale' means, you do not comprehend the difference between 'a saviour' and 'The saviour'.

You are completely unable to understand these are basic grammatical differences so I will refrain from proceeding with you to prevent further circular arguments.

debosky: You tell me. Point out where this "name" has been used anywhere in the bible except for in reference to God Almighty - excluding the one in question of course.

I posit that if there is no other reference in the bible to first and the last except to God ALmighty, then there is no basis for making a 'contextual' interpretation in this sole case.

Image123: what makes you to refer to me as a more mature brother in the faith?

Image123: what makes you to refer to me as a more mature brother in the faith?

dorox: For sure, they are greedy and wicked otherwise they would not be asking struggling families for money to fund their extravagant lifestyle.

dorox: our Daddies in the lord as a bunch of unscrupulously greedy narcissistic blood suckers.

dorox: For sure, they are greedy and wicked otherwise they would not be asking struggling families for money to fund their extravagant lifestyle.

dorox: You are welcome.

dorox: our Daddies in the lord as a bunch of unscrupulously greedy narcissistic blood suckers.

nonylove: @dorox

Thanks a lot. it is well oooo

dorox: Your pastor is the best person to ask for advice regarding this matter, after all na im garri dey at stake. Though in my opinion it is unwise to bring matters like this here because it provides a cheap oppurtunity for all the fake none tithing christians and their atheist friends to portray our Daddies in the lord as a bunch of unscrupulously greedy narcissistic blood suckers.

dorox: our Daddies in the lord as a bunch of unscrupulously greedy narcissistic blood suckers.

Image123: bookmarked, this is boringly interesting.

Jenwitemi: Who cares about the bible and what it says? There are a lot of people who still think outside the bible walls, you know.

Jenwitemi: Who cares about the bible and what it says? There are a lot of people who still think outside the bible walls, you know.

Goshen360: My dearest brother. I will NEVER continue this debate with you. Like I said in my comment above, If the bible calls the Father God, Jesus, God and the Holy Spirit God.....I don't think I have problem with that sir. If it is the word "Trinity" that doesn't appear in the bible, that's fine but for me to fight against bible truth, I will NEVER do it.

Goshen360: I dey my dearest brother. Unfortunately, I am not part of this anymore. I do not have problem when the bible calls Jesus Christ, God likewise the Father and the Holy Spirit. Hence I decided not to get involve in all this debate going in circle. I have told you in the past, Trinity or no Trinity, we remain one in Christ. If the bible calls the Father, God; Jesus Christ, God and the Holy Spirit, God; why should it bother us? I take the bible as God's word and stand by that. If it is because of the word "Trinity" that is not found in the bible that you guys try to fight it, then that is your choice. I can't hold it against you. I will send you an email tonight my brother. You take care and God bless you.