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Gombs: hello Goshen, i dont distribute the rest 90% because it is free willed...if i like i will, it is my choice to give it out, it was Abraham's choice to give his out, me i might decide to give mine out, simple thought



yeah, he was blessed by God before the tithe, question is who taught him about tithing? now, that is what i call a man of faith. same as Drummerboy can not tell me who taught Abel how to give an offering, and how he did it in faith. it is surely not a coincidence that he gave tithe to a high priest as Melchizedek and 400years later, Moses adopted tithing too.

Abraham was already a blessed man before he met Melchizedek, go and study.

heb 7v6 But this person who has not their Levitical ancestry received tithes from Abraham [himself] and blessed him who possessed the promises [of God].

He met a man who did something significant (go study it too), bringing bread and wine for their nourishment, Why? the bible said because he was a priest and that the lesser is blessed of the greater, what then made Melchizedek greater?...and Abraham did something, in faith (because that man did all he did in faith) he gave a tenth, not 90%, not 50%, but 10%... question is,

why did the bible pluralize the tithe Abraham gave..

Hebrews 7

8 Furthermore, here [in the Levitical priesthood] tithes are received by men who are subject to death; while there [in the case of Melchizedek], [size=16pt]they are received[/size] by one of whom it is testified that he lives [perpetually].

since Abraham was the only one who physically tithed to Melchizedek, why didnt the bible use IT WAS?
let me give you a clue
Heb 7

12 For when there is a change in the priesthood, there is of necessity an alteration of the law [concerning the priesthood] as well.

it is pluralized because from above verse, there was a change in the law that said only Levites could be priests. Jesus is a priest from Judah (confirming the change in the law that said ONLY levites could be priests), and Jesus is of the same order of priesthood as Melchizedek who received tithes, meaning ALL who are Christ's, those same folks are Abraham's offspring AND spiritual heirs according to what? according to the promise (Gal 3v29), when they pay their tithes, it goes to that order of priesthood Abraham tithed to, which is forever. that is why tithes and offerings are eternal principle. that is why Abraham's tithing was pluralized


now, i didnt write the above to convince you, i wrote it for viewers of this page. u will probably never pay tithes, and i will never stop tithing, so let us leave it at that, and let those who need to learn to learn. to choose what road they wanna thread.

thanks.

Gombs: I don't intend to argue....

Gombs: What part of THE MAN DID ALL THINGS IN FAITH you didnt understand? hey, i am not here to convince you, im just here because of the viewers of this page...they can pick the truth for themselves.



not interested in discussing mal 2...



mal 3 fulfilled and revealed by Peter by the help of the Holyspirit



wrong...they are the new creation folks



God has laid down principles, faith is not what u use to get stuffs from God, it is what u use to please God..the only thing u could use. if you follow his laid down principle for something in faith, you will surely get that thing. for example, there are many ball games, if u want to prosper and be rich, u gotta find out what the bible said about financial prosperity. like i said there are many ball games, you cant use volleyball rules for football, nor can u use basketball rules for tennis... folllow his principle and you shall have what that principle says...if u want salvation, he has a principle on how u can get it...u have to follow that principle, else forget it



refer to my above posts

and for clarity sake, i dont intend to argue...i know you ae convinced on ur stand, and i am, i can never stop tithing, and you probably never will tithe..let us just leave it at that, and let the viewers of this page decide on which part the wanna thread.

and hey, tithing is not a weightier matter in Christianity..you guys make it look like it is all and all in tithing Churches

ajayikayod: Tithes? Not according to d scripture Bro,

Animals sacrifices pre-date d law too, infact pre-date Abraham. Was performed by Abel, Noah, Abraham, Moses, David, Prophets, was performed for Child Jesus.

If d reason u pay tithe is becos its eternal principle and pre-date d Law, why dont u offer animal sacrifices too? We kno God accepted dt too from many. Apostles never mentioned not to do it also.


Its better we thread cautiously not to be entangled again by dt which Christ has made us free.

Joagbaje: Tithes and offerings are eternal principles . They existed before the levitical priest hood.
The kindom of God has many principles. Tithes , offering , alms giving ,fasting , prayer , worship etc. these principles had been there before the law or levitical priesthood.

Christians are not tithing just because the law say so. But rather because it's a principle . If you don't believe in tithing you should not believe in offerings also. Let's worship God with empty hand.

italo: You say Yahweh resurrected Jesus. Jesus says he would resurrect himself (Jonn 2:18, 19)

italo: You say that Jesus resurrects everyone else. But God raises other people:

italo: 1 Cor 15:38 - But God giveth it a body as he will: and to every seed its proper body.

italo: Acts 24:15 - Having hope in God, which these also themselves look for, that there shall be a resurrection of the just and unjust.

italo: 1 Sam 2:6 - The Lord killeth and maketh alive, he bringeth down to hell and bringeth back again.

italo: I hope it is clear to you that your explanation is massively flawed.

italo: God is the first and the last.

italo: Jesus is the first and the last.

italo: Jesus is God, not Archangel Michael, as you say!

italo: Keep deceiving yourself.



God--Is 44:6, 7: I am the first and I am the last;
besides me there is no god.
7 Who is like me? Let them proclaim it,
let them declare and set it forth before me.

Jesus--Rev 1:17 I am the first and the last.

ajayikayod: Mr, the Church Christ founded is a Miracle Church and i m a proud member of d Body. So if u point finger to pastors to use other means, i m not questioning u, i only asked for evidence to show. But till now u hav non. So why discuss wat u dont even understand or seen b4.

ajayikayod: U ar yet to give prove Pastors use SBoM, now u released another claim. Can u giv proves to ur claims or u r just living on dem say dem say. Why not focus on ur career (which ever one u do) whr u can defend ur professions wit facts than engage in wat u dont even understand.

Black Peni5: Funny boy...Even Acidiosis who you were attacking said and I quote "The book is demonic" besides, he is not the only one saying it....Clearly you done have a point of view and you have nothing to contribute.
Also, No pastor will be stupid enough to make a video of himself conjuring powers from a book when it will destroy the impression he's creating for his congregation...Thus your request for a video is Silly to say the least.



My brother, you did not answer my question...its either you did not understand the question or you are afraid of the answer. In either case, I think its better you keep quiet. I did not write the article on wikipedia. I did not write the seventh book of Moses...If these books written by a prophet of God are occultic then who has the justification to tell me that the other parts of the Bible are not.

What defines a man is not the source of his Power but what he chooses to use it for. If I chose to join the occult world, that would be between me and God, not you.

Now If anyone has anything logical to say, it is welcome...But keep all your religious sentiments to yourselves.

ajayikayod: I only asked for just one name/clips not all d video in d whole world. If he cant provide one then i wonder how he got such claim.

italo: What I am saying is not that they arent different persons. We who say Jesus is God know that.

What I am saying is that they also the same person. Do you understand that?

That is why Jesus would speak as the Father so many times in scripture.

Look at the passage and tell me when Jesus started speaking. When, according to you, the Father started speaking in v6, John said "and he said to me," indicating either another speaker had taken over from the angel or the angel was giving another set of revelations.

When, according to you, Jesus entered the conversation v16, there is no such thing. John simply goes, "I Jesus." So did Jesus badge in on the Father? Of course not. It is the same person that has been speaking all along. That why he emphasizes it by saying the same things as the Father and as the son all over scripture. That's why I referenced Rev 22:6 and Rev 1:1. They are saying essentially the same thing and its Jesus speaking in Rev 1:1. Then look at the end when John says: "Amen, Lord Jesus, come quickly. Why doesnt he say that to the Father? In fact he did! Jesus is the same as the Father.

Just look at Rev 1:8 too. Jesus is the one making the revelation to John so who speaks in v8. If it is someone other than Jesus, John should have introduced him.

Lastly compare Is 44:6 with Rev 1:17.

What do you see?

(I dont know why your verse 6 is different too)

italo: Key questions:

1. Who is coming quickly in verse 12 & 20?

italo: 2. Compare Rev 22:6 And he said to me, “These words are trustworthy and true. And the Lord, the God of thespirits of the prophets, has sent his angel to show his servants what must soon take place

italo: With Rev 1:1 The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show to his servants what must soon take place; and he made it known by sending his angel to his servant John,

And adjuge who is speaking.

truthislight: Rev 22:6-13 talked about Yahweh sending his angel, then from verse 16 and 17 talked about Jesus the root of Devid also sending his angel.

see:


"And he said unto me, These sayings are faithful and true: and the Lord God of the holy prophets sent his angel to shew unto his servants the things which must shortly be done. Behold, I come quickly: blessed is he that keepeth the sayings of the prophecy of this book. And I John saw these things, and heard them. And when I had heard and seen, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel which shewed me these things. Then saith he unto me, See thou do it not: for I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them which keep the sayings of this book: worship God. And he saith unto me, Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book: for the time is at hand. He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still. And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. "I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last. " (Revelation 22:6-13).
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That ^ is talking about Yahweh that sends His angel.

After Yahweh sends his Angel, then Jesus sends his angel in subsequent vers 16 below:


"I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star. And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely." (Revelation 22:16-17).
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The almighty is not of the root of David.

Yahweh is not a morning star.

"The lord God of the prophet" is Yahweh.

BERNIMOORE: in the old testament it was written that our God is 'only one and not 3'

Deuteronomy 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:

jesus echoed the same thing, in NT; below;



mark 12:29

"replied Jesus, "is this: 'Hear, O Israel! The Lord our God is one Lord;

yet it was said that jesus claimed that he is one with the father, but jesus also say that we (believers) are part of the oneness with God and jesus

John 17:21-24
New King James Version (NKJV)

21 that they all may be one, as You, Father, are in Me, and I in You; that they also may be one in Us, that the world may believe that You sent Me. 22 And the glory which You gave Me I have given them, that they may be one just as We are one: 23 I in them, and You in Me; that they may be made perfect in one, and that the world may know that You have sent Me, and have loved them as You have loved Me.



all to no avail, trinitarians shot themselves on the foot by distorting the person of God as unreal,

the chief propergator of this false belief is the catholic, as they paid dearly with cases of their priests leading the chart in world religion in child molestation, priests who dont see God as a real person through distorted teaching cannot feel bad over molesting a child, worst still they recycle these priests instead of dismissing them, which clearly violates what the bible says 'to quit association with such person' something that is very annoying is that the bible will say something, these catholic priest uphold another tradition teaching(unsacred scripture) that counters the bible Gods word

and so, since the basis of their religion has been distorted, most of these priests dont believe the existence of God or even the need to fear God. pope francis adopted the Gays and even making phone calls to them, to continue practicing their sinful lust without any measusre to please God and stop sinning.

pope francis evidently show disbelief in the person of God when he told Atheists that they dont need to BELIEVE in GOD to make heaven.

even when jesus said in john 17:3.......this is everlasting life...knowing you the ONLY TRUE GOD....

The so called pope francis without fear of God said atheist dont need to know God to make heaven

cardinal pell flanked himself with atheist and some scientists and open his mouth gbau, and said that 'the story of Adam eve and serpent were just a myth,

all this is due to a wrong foundation rooted in the lie called TRINITY, a word that was never found in the bible

A lie that removed the name of God in the holy scriptures and render God NAMELESS.

trinitarians are loosing the battle, they embrace atheism as their last destination, what a shame!

alfaman1: ...there will be no one to praise and worship him.

Omnipotent god: creating useless tasks for himself.

italo: @truthislight,

Tnx 4d compliments

italo: This is another shameful lie.

Rev 22:12 “And behold, I am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give to every one according to his work. 13[b] I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End, the First and the Last.[/b]”

14 Blessed are those who do His (Jesus is clearly referring to the father here, meaning he is the one speaking) commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city. 15 But outside are dogs and sorcerers and sexually immoral and murderers and idolaters, and whoever loves and practices a lie.

16 “I, Jesus, have sent My angel to testify to you these things in the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, the Bright and Morning Star.”

17 And the Spirit and the bride say, “Come!” And let him who hears say, “Come!” And let him who thirsts come. Whoever desires, let him take the water of life freely.

18 For I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds to these things, God(clearly referring to the father again) will add to him the plagues that are written in this book; 19 and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away[k] his part from the Book of Life, from the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

20 He who testifies to these things says, “Surely I am coming quickly.” (this is a repeat of Jesus words in verse 22).

Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus!

Clearly Jesus addresses himself as "the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End, the First and the Last"

Why are you Jehovah's Witnesses so full of falsehood?

Abi can other people help us judge the passage above?


Jesus Christ: “Do not be afraid; I am the First and the Last. 18 I am He who lives, and was dead, and behold, I am alive forevermore."

You lie that "the first and last" Jesus said is a title that means something different from that of God.

What does it mean and where does the Bible tell you its meaning?

macof: Truth and noble, if you wanna know noble truth about Jesus, ask a Jew.
I have a Jewish friend who has feed me enough he knows about Jesus, remember Jesus was a Jew, only a Jew can tell u things that the Bible couldn't tell u.

It seems u wouldn't believe me, even if I post articles and links for u. So get the information urself, travel to Israel on pilgrimage, use the opportunity to make friends with an Hebrew Jew(a Jew practicing judaism; their national religion)

Why should u continue living a lie created by the Romans? Wisdom and knowledge is the right of all humans, now acquire it.

However, if u wish for us to continue this debate I am in

italo: @ JWs, do you still teach that Jesus Christ is the Archangel Michael?

What is your current teaching...and please provide evidence.

italo: @JWs

In Rev 22:12-13, Jesus Christ, the one who is "coming quickly", says of himself, " I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end". In Rev 1:17-18, Jesus, the one who "became dead, but, look! I am living forever and ever", refers to himself as the first and the last. Rev 21:6, in speaking of God, says, "...I am the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end ...". God is also referred to as the "first" and the "last" in Isa 44:6 and Isa 48:12.

Why do you say Jesus is not God since by definition of these words there can only be one first and one last?

italo: Jesus Christ is referred to as "Mighty God" in Isa 9:6 ("For there has been a child born to us, there has been a son given to us ... And his name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God ...". Jehovah is referred to as "Mighty God" in Isa 10:20-21. Yet, there is only one God (1Cor 8:4, Isa 43:10, 44:6)?

Why then do you say Jesus is not God?

italo: @JWs,

If the soul is the body, why does Jesus make a distinction between the body and the soul in Mt 10:28?

FOLYKAZE: Jesus said he came for Jew ONLY. Or is paul now your saviour? Pls come out clean

plaetton: My dear friend.
Read my posts carefully.

Never say impossible when it come to human imagination and innovation.
That past 200 yrs or so has clearly demonstrated that.

You guys are just behind in modern science, mainly because of the magical thinking that comes with religious beliefs.
The problem is that your minds are too suffused with religious bullshyt(excuse my language) to appreciate scientific thinking .

There is no mystery, there is no miracle. There is no divine.
Everything in the universe, even god, if at all it exists, fall under, and operate within the laws of physics.
Central to the understanding physics is understanding the universe in terms of energy oscillating on a diverse range of frequencies.

So every phenomenon can be understood and defined in terms of energy and frequencies.

Please watch the video links.

Please watch the video and tell me your final thoughts.

http://science.discovery.com/tv-shows/brink/videos/brink-robots-become-human.htm#mkcpgn=snag1


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=GONfP0mXraI

plaetton: Proof that consciousness and intelligence are not divine attributes, but are generated by mathematical thresholds of electrical activity, just as happens in the brains of living things.

plaetton: I do not dwell in absolutes.

The answer is yes.
It is well within the realm of possibility.

FOLYKAZE: Unfortunately for you bro....the Jew were expecting military messiah and not Jesus. Also you guys believe Jesus is the messiah, why are you not picking words from his mouth and you running to paul who do not have any contact with him? Only if you can prove to me that Jesus was the one the prophecy was speaking about. Jesus wasn't a military man. Next try

truthislight: are you saying that there are no prophesies that has ever come true even in the bible inclusive?

Logicboy03: Yes.

FOLYKAZE: Lets take the history of the gospel. Mark was written before Matthew; and most account in the gospel of matthew were copied from gospel of mark with little additions.

Matthew 28:19 was copied from Mark 16:12-20 which we both know that the church added that to it. It was not original ancient scripture but a clean invention of the church.

And do you read matt 10:5-6? Where are the lost Israelites....in the wilderness.

The Israelites are sheep lost in the wilderness where other animals are but do shepherd take the goat or chicken or lion with his flock? Nope.

If you got brain, apply the analogy to the scripture.

truthislight: I take this to mean that you are saying that Yahweh never meant to reach out to gentiles.

If so, then read the paasage below.



(Isaiah 49:6).
"And he said, It is a light thing that you should be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to restore the preserved of Israel: 'I will also give thee for a light to the Gentiles, that thou mayest be my salvation unto the end of the earth." (Isaiah 49:6).


Paul quoted the those scriptures while preaching to gentiles:

(Acts 13:47).
"For so hath the Lord commanded us, saying, I have set thee to be a light of the Gentiles, that you should be for a salvation unto the ends of the earth." (Acts 13:47).


One thing i give to you is that christianity was corrupted by constantine and his clique, but that has not changed the plans of Yahweh.

Again, paul was baptised by Ananias, check your facts well.

Peace