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 Christianity Etc › Re: Banned @ Islam Section by truthman2012(m): 3:09pm On Aug 17, 2013 |
basilico: Mod M Why was I banned there? I cant post i am being told to wait for a few hours.why the intolerance oer there?The people there hate the truth. What they want is praise of their religion. Islam is full of secrets that if exposed and not controled by them, the religion will go into extinction in no long time. Some of them have seen the truth but indulge in self-deception. I pity them so much. |
| Islam › Re: Want To Convert To Muslim by truthman2012(m): 9:57am On Jul 31, 2013 |
bashy_demy: Hello Mr man, How will you defend the part where your Jesus also went to hell for 3days? is it true or just a mere lie that he went to hell? if its true then he is part of what the Quran or hadith is talking about which you also fall in the same place.The literal meaning of 'hell' is under the ground. The tormenting fire is under the ground and that is why it is called hellfire. Therefore 'Hell' is not the same as 'Hellfire'. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Jesus NOT A Christain. by truthman2012(m): 5:13pm On Jul 29, 2013 |
Your message and the intention are very good but the topic or subject shouldn't have been as captioned. We can remain Christians and not Samaritans even by following your admonitions. Thank you very much. |
| Islam › Re: Explanations Wanted!!! by truthman2012(op): 9:42am On Jul 29, 2013*. Modified: 5:44pm On Jul 29, 2013 |
Your referring to the bible is an acceptance that allah made mistakes he was correcting by replacing his words or he was changing them for manipulative reason. Your accusation of the bible is false. You don't know the meaning. 'It is finished' means Jesus has finished the work of salvation, and that was what Paul was preaching. The corruption of the laws by the scribes was their misinterpretation of the laws and not the laws themselves. The same laws God commanded the people to follow even after prophet Jerimiah's statement. If it was the actual laws that were corrupted, God would not have commanded the people to continue to follow them. Or did you see where God said His earlier laws were corrupted and made another laws? There were many other prophets after Jeremiah who continued to observe the same existing laws. If it was the laws that were corrupted, would God have raised other prophets to observe them? One of the lies told by the Devil is that the bible was corrupted for the deceived to accept the quran. The quran is where the Devil condemned the word of God to establish his own. The laws were in existence before Jesus came and that same laws He said he came to fulfil. If they were corrupted Jesus would not have made that statement. Isn't it? If you have anything against the bible, open a thread and do not hide under it to justify the inconsistency of your allah. Don't derail this thread by introducing another topic. 1 Like |
| Islam › Re: Why Islam I S The Best Religion by truthman2012(m): 9:09pm On Jul 28, 2013 |
oglipaul: unlike other scripture which has so many contradictions and descrepancirs,error,absurdity,alhamdullilah.the quran is free from errors etc.the most purest and preserved book on earth is the quranAre you new on nairaland? When you finish deceiving yourself let me know. But meanwhile, go through this for a start: https://www.nairaland.com/1341356/contradictions-quran-part-1 https://www.nairaland.com/1368713/explanations-wanted |
| Islam › Re: Aisha Uzoechina Says She Was Not Forced To Become A Muslim by truthman2012(m): 8:04pm On Jul 28, 2013 |
This should be a lesson for Christian parents. It is not enough to teach ones's children about Christianity alone but other religion around. Children should made to know the difference. The reason it is so difficult to get many muslims converted to Christianity is because right from childhood they were sent to islamic lesson where they not only learn about islam, but are poisoned against Christianity. In my own house, I have taught my chilren the difference. Infact one of my daughters gave me a testimony about what happened in their school when she had a discussion with a muslim boy. In the evening after the discussion, it was the boy who rank the bell for prayer. From what the girl said, she did not know the difference. To her, what does it matter since we worship the same God. But is it truly the same God? Capital no. She should have been made to understand before then. It could even be possible she has a rich muslim boyfriend who influenced her with money. This she would not tell. 1 Like |
| Islam › Re: Explanations Wanted!!! by truthman2012(op): 2:50pm On Jul 28, 2013 |
@ BetaThing I'm surprised you could still make such wrong assertions despite my explanations. Forget about soldiers shouting Jesus killed Muhammad. Those soldiers were not christians and not killing for Jesus. A Christian is a person who behaves like Jesus Christ. Jesus never told anybody to kill for him. Did he? I repeat anybody who kill for Jesus is on his own, not sent by Jesus. Isn't it? King must be a fake reverend for killing because his action has no support from Jesus Christ. But when muslims kill, they are copying their prophet, Muhammad. If you want to see my evidences from islamic sources, I will post them. I cannot lie against anybody, not even against Muhammad. It is a sin to do so. I never insulted your prophet. Whenever I talked about Muhammad, I only state what he did that are inconsistent with what a prophet of the true God should do. Muhammad was not the only prophet in history, if he was sent by the same God that sent other prophets, his deed would have been as Godly as the other prophets. I DON'T TALK ABOUT MUHAMMAD WITH WORDS OF MINE BUT AS RECORDED IN THE ISLAMIC RECORDS, HADITH. Is that what you refer to as insult? Who is insulting him, me or the hadith? Anyway all this is a derailment of this thread. Say something if you have any about allah changing his words after he had boasted that they are not subject to changes. Thanks. 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: A Testimony Of A Christain Convert by truthman2012(m): 10:27am On Jul 28, 2013 |
udatso: i do realise some muslims do convert to christianity as lame as the excuse could be but this particular story is far from auuthentic...whats the source? Isnt it strange tha one who was once a muslim spelled muhammad as mohammad?I'm surprised that spelling ''mu and mo'' is so important to you. Don't you know there are differences in dialects? Why is quran called koran in some dialects? Why is Jesus called Isa in arabic? Seek God with genuine heart and am sure you too will have the same testimony. Thank you. 1 Like |
| Islam › Re: Explanations Wanted!!! by truthman2012(op): 9:56am On Jul 28, 2013*. Modified: 10:48am On Jul 28, 2013 |
@ BataThings You accused me of coming to islam section to open so many threads and don't do same in the Christian section. Yes. The reason is that if a christian acts against the injunctions of the Bible, he does it deliberately, not ignorantly. I do post in the Christians' section occassionally if you are observant, but it is not as much because you don't correct what is correct. Besides, it is difficult being in two places at the same time. On terrorism by muslims, what you say about christian missionaries is not the truth. Nobody can kill for Jesus when He himself did not kill. He told Peter who cut somebody's ear for defending Him not to try such again and he restored the ear. In Christianity, there is a clear instruction that we should not hurt anyone talkless of killing. But the same can not be said in islam. There are more than 100 places in the quran instructing muslims to kill. Can you see the difference. If a Christian kills he is on his own but it is islamic to kill. Muhammad invaded many towns and villages SUDDENLY and killed them en mass. Are sudden attacks in defence? Those who have not seen him before talkless of attacking him. When BH kills they kill in the name of allah and many times they read the quran on their victims. 1 Like |
| Islam › Re: Angel Descends On Ka'abah In Meccah by truthman2012(m): 9:12am On Jul 27, 2013 |
Chiefupper: come who fed you with all these stories, lol.. ....you made me laugh in Swahili lol.. what I believe is that when Jesus (prophet Issa A.S.W) comes, the so call Christians of nowadays will still doubt he is the one because even at present they don't know who to trust among their so call pastors, most of them (Christians) are atheist hiding under the umbrella of Christianity, I pray truth will find you one day because you can never find truth by yourself with this your wayJohn 14:6 I am the WAY the TRUTH and the LIFE, nobody can come to God except by me. If you don't seek God through Jesus you are into demonic falsehood. You are under jinn forces leading to hell (Quran 19:68-72). May God deliver you. 1 Like |
| Islam › Re: Angel Descends On Ka'abah In Meccah by truthman2012(m): 9:29pm On Jul 26, 2013 |
It wasn't an angel. Angel cannot fellowship with Jinns. The spirit must be one of the jinns (demons) for whom Kaaba was built. There are many jinns inside kaaba. The zamzam well in Kaaba was dug by Mutaleb, Muhammad's grand father who was an adherent of Jinn-devil religion. Gabriel was a Jinn who revealed messages to Muhammad. This is the reason muslims believe in Jinns as spirits of allah. They say some jinns are muslims. Infact all jinns are muslims. All jinns are demons (evil spirit). |
| Islam › Re: Explanations Wanted!!! by truthman2012(op): 6:34pm On Jul 26, 2013 |
golpen: You have really tried jare my brother...what I've been able to deduce is that this man comes to NL/islam section when his grand kids have gone on holidays, so he's mostly less busy, looking for what to do.Is it really so? I have loads of threads yet to be posted. Keep learning from them. 1 Like |
| Islam › Re: Explanations Wanted!!! by truthman2012(op): 6:23pm On Jul 26, 2013 |
golpen: I think I got you there!!!Okay. |
| Islam › Re: Explanations Wanted!!! by truthman2012(op): 5:19pm On Jul 26, 2013 |
golpen: Sire, you will never get an answer if your mind is not opened to get one (you know that is the fact). 1+1 will never be equal to 2 if the student does not have the mind to learn. You have always gotten deserved answers from us muslims, but I don't know when you expect to get a cooked soup when you're always condemning the firewood.The truth remains that you and your friends in faith could not refute the contradictions in allah's revelations. This is just a few among the so many. Some have given it a try though failed but you could not at all and funny enough, you have talked more than them all yet failed to make an attempt. 1 Like |
| Islam › Re: Explanations Wanted!!! by truthman2012(op): 4:57pm On Jul 26, 2013 |
@ udatso When I read the defences put up by your islamic scholars on the net including the one you copied and pasted here, I shook my head in pity. When a liar feels he an expert in lying, he should be conscious of those that are capable of faulting his lies. All these lies they claim to be defences are too little for the Holy Spirit to debunk. God is the source of all knowledge, seek Him. Firstly, you said the Toral and Injeel are the abrogated revelations. I tell you that is a fallacy. Toral and Injeel are intact and ifact the quran refers to them as authentic. [Quranl 2:136] Say (O Muslims): We believe in Allah and that which is revealed unto us and that which was revealed unto Abraham, and Ishmael, and Isaac, and Jacob, and the tribes, and that which Moses and Jesus received, and that which the prophets received from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them, and unto Him we have surrendered. Is this not the toral and injeel you said are the abrogated revelations? Allah said here that he made no difference between the quran and the earlier revelations - Toral and Injeel. [Quran 2:62] Lo! Those who believe (in that which is revealed unto thee, Muhammad), and those who are Jews, and Christians, and Sabaeans - whoever believeth in Allah and the Last Day and doeth right - surely their reward is with their Lord, and there shall no fear come upon them neither shall they grieve. If the Toral and Injeel is so perfect as far as allah is concerned (not to muslims anyway)that those who practice them will have their reward, do you see any sense in saying they were abrogated? Tell me, what need was there for islam to be introduced since the earlier revelations were good and perfect to the extent that the adherents will have reward? You should by now be thinking something is wrong somewhere. As if that is not enough, you said the abrogation was the gradual withdrawal of certain things like alcohol. You also said "The Qur'an was revealed over a period of 22½ years. Many reforms that were brought about in the society were gradual. This was to facilitate the adoption of new laws by the people. An abrupt change in society always leads to rebellion and anarchy". Can't you see you are contradicting yourself or they are contradicting themseves? So it is no more the Toral and Injeel that were abrogated but gradual withdrawal of alcohol and old laws. Friend, there is noway anybody can turn falsehood to truth. Anyone who tries it will talk and talk and ridicule himself. The fact remains that the true God would not be saying something today and changing it consistently for manipulative reasons. If Muhammad had lived for another 10 to 20 years before he died, allah would have changed the quran that it would not contain what you are having today. He would have perfected all the faults I am highlighting. Thank you. |
| Islam › Re: Explanations Wanted!!! by truthman2012(op): 4:05pm On Jul 26, 2013 |
udatso: For more info pls download thhis book and read from page 31 to 34 www.muslimsunnah.com/download/commonquestions_3rded.pdfI cannot download. Why not copy and paste it here. |
| Islam › Re: Abrogation Of Quranic Verses(the Greatest Lie Against Quran) by truthman2012(m): 12:23pm On Jul 26, 2013 |
@ OP In the first place, I have some questions for you under the thread "Explanations Wanted" awaiting your attention since. On this thread of yours, I want to comment as follows: 1. To say there are no contraditions in the Quran is a colossal fallacy. So many contradictions have been discovered and some of them discussed on NL, one was sealed up and the other canceled outright. You ask me why: it was because the truth was indisputable. 2. You claim Abraham and other prophets including Jesus and his disciples were muslims. This is a lie of the devil. Muhammad was the only prophet of allah even going by islamic creed. "There is no god save allah and Muhammad is his prophet". This shows the only prophet allah had was Muhammad alone, other prophets were for Jehovah God. There is no islam without Muhammad. The way of worshiping allah was the introduction of Gabriel and Muhammad. Nobody worshiped the true God the ways muslims worship allah. In fact there are islamic sources that make us to know that what was done to worship the Jinn-devil, the religion in Muhammd's family before islam is what is done to worship allah till today. This shows the type of angel Gabriel was and the type of religion he forced on Muhammad and the muslims. Zamzam well in Kaaba was dug by Mutaleb, Muhammad's granfather and dedicated to two idols. Mutaleb was an adherent of Jinn-devil religion. The same centre and the same well are used by muslims today in the worship of allah. How can the well and centre dedicated to Jinn-devil be used for the true God? Before islam brought by Muhammad, nobody was doing ablution and facing Kaaba when praying. If Kaaba was a place specifically built for God, why did Muhammad instruct the muslims to face Jerusalem before changing to Kaaba? Islamic apologists say there are places in the Bible where some people prayed like muslims. This is very untrue. Nobody completed the process of islamic ablution of washing the face, head, hands, legs, nose. ear, mouth at the same time. Besides those who washed a part of their body did so for a different reason, not for prayer. I challenge any muslim to show where anybody or prophet in the Bible completed the process of islamic ablution and faced Kaaba before praying. If they didn't , how were they muslims in the real sense of islam? For the purpose of emphasis, I repeat that there was no islam before Muhammad because "lai lah ila lah Muhammad rosulilah". Muhammad is the only prophet of allah, no other prophets. 1 Like |
| Islam › Re: Explanations Wanted!!! by truthman2012(op): 11:34am On Jul 26, 2013 |
golpen: There is no fault in the bible, only human errors. You seem not to understand your own self on this. Not too good for you anyway.Why do I have to take a break when there are soo many unanswered questions in islam? Look at this particular thread, which you are dodging and after a few weeks later you will say there were well deserved answers I have got. Tell me what are the answers? Everyone should be concerned about the religious affairs going on around him. If islam never existed in Nigeria, we would not have Boko Haram. We once had Maitasine and many other dangerous islamic sects killing the innocent. Are those not serious problems? Why should anyone sleep when there is fire in the house roof? I wonder why you talked about Jesus cursing a tree. Of what importance is a tree that you have so much mercy for it and have no mercy for millions of human lives wasted by Muhammad? 2 Likes |
| Islam › Re: Explanations Wanted!!! by truthman2012(op): 9:01pm On Jul 25, 2013*. Modified: 9:18pm On Jul 25, 2013 |
golpen: Why do I need to open a thread discussing the bible's dilemma, when you have already agreed with me that there are thousands of faults therein. Do you expect me to waste my time while you give me cock and bull stories of presenting horses as gifts for king james? I'm sure you don't even want me to do that.There is no fault in the bible. I have explained to you but you pretended as if you didn't understand. Remember you have said nothing to defend these particular contradictions. I'm sure you wouldn't have forgotten what happened in my thread "Contradictions In Quran (Part 1)". You also would remember what happened in Part 2 before it was quickly deleted to avoid creating uproar in islam. I wonder why you still can say am antagonizing a faultless scripture, when infact there are volumes of fault in the revelations of allah. Finally if you are not ready to tell me and other readers why allah kept chainging his words after he had boasted that his words cannot change, I put it to you that allah is not the true God, the owner of heaven. Thank you. |
| Islam › Re: Explanations Wanted!!! by truthman2012(op): 12:41pm On Jul 25, 2013 |
@ usisky Thanks for your explanations. I do not agree that revelations of God's words are miracles as muslims claim. God had been revealing His words to mandkind long before the invention of islam, which were not considered as miracles. GOD's REVELATIONS ARE ONLY FOR INSTRUCTIONS AND CORRECTIONS. MIRACLES CANNOT BE REPLACED, ONCE THEY HAPPEN THEY HAPPEN AND BIGGER ONES CAN HAPPEN SUBSEQUENTLY AND THE FIRST ONES WILL STILL BE ON RECORD. Where are the replaced revelations? What are miracles? They are God's healing power and His salvation from sudden dangers. Miracles are visible events in human lives, not abstract as in revelations. The question remains why would allah change his revelations by replacement if there are no mistakes in the earlier ones? It could be for manipulation purposes. If he did not cause the earlier revelations to be forgotten, where are they? Even if they were miracles (though not), where are the miracles as miracles are not abstract? Thank you once again. |
| Islam › Re: Explanations Wanted!!! by truthman2012(op): 10:35am On Jul 25, 2013 |
golpen: And seriously I think @mintayo deserves this explanation of yours.Then let us go back to the issue at hand. If you have anything against the bible, open a thread for discussion. I will not ignore it as you are doing. By implication you have accepted that allah was inconsistent, which is not expected of the TRUE God. You appear to be the most intelligent among the muslims I have been discussing with on NL. Keep it up but for the true God so that your labour will not be in vain. Get your name removed from the list of those destined for hell. Thank you. |
| Islam › Re: Explanations Wanted!!! by truthman2012(op): 10:18pm On Jul 24, 2013 |
golpen: With the plentiful of the human errors you've agreed with me that are contained in the bible, will you call the bible the words of the true GOD?... Definitely perfection cannot blend in any way with imperfection.Please note the following: 1. And God said........... Such are words coming directly from God Himself. 2. Thus saith the Lord....... Such are words from God's prophets as received from God being relayed to the to the people. 3. And David or Jerimiah or Joel said........ Such are words from individuals (prophets or anybody) narrating an event, which might differ from one another. The no. 3 is where the bible critics dwell wrongly. If an individual said something in his personal capacity and it differs from the opinion of another also in his personal capacity, do you blame God for that? Are they not humans? Apart from that most of what you people term contradictions are not but due to ignorance. I think I have taken time to explain some of them you brought up as contractions before. Isn't that true? But the quran that is said to be the revealed words of allah is expected to be errors and contraditions free. We do not expected God to make mistakes or commit blunders. Isn't it? I should acknowledge that your writings are fine and your explanations understandable. But unfortunately, they do not just answer my questions. For example, what have you said to defend the contradictions highlighted in this thread so far? You only said you are not ready for argument but did not stop talking. What is your talking about if not argument. You don't intend to drink palmwine but would not remove your hand from the keg (just a Yoruba proverb). 1 Like |
| Islam › Re: Explanations Wanted!!! by truthman2012(op): 9:47pm On Jul 24, 2013 |
golpen: With the plentiful of the human errors you've agreed with me that are contained in the bible, will you call the bible the words of the true GOD?... Definitely perfection cannot blend in any way with imperfection. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Why Do Sinners Immediately Go To Hell, But Satan And Demons Are Not There Yet ? by truthman2012(m): 8:58pm On Jul 24, 2013 |
The time for Satan and his demons is not up yet according to God's plan. The time for any human is up at death and that is why he goes to hell (if a sinner) before Satan. Jesus told the thief on the cross: ''today you will meet me in paradise''. If the just go to bliss at death, the unjust will surely go to torment at death. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Why Do Sinners Immediately Go To Hell, But Satan And Demons Are Not There Yet ? by truthman2012(m): 8:49pm On Jul 24, 2013 |
Unluvable*:What the bible tells us is when those things we can see were created. No account of how the invisibles were created, incuding hell. |
| Islam › Re: Explanations Wanted!!! by truthman2012(op): 7:06pm On Jul 24, 2013 |
I don't enjoy your posts at all. You decidely deviate from the subject. A question that requires only a few lines to answer you turn to a whole text book. Your grammatical constructions serious problems. Your long answers full of rigmaroles. Your conclusions irrational. Therefore I will learn to avoid your posts from now. Thank you. 2 Likes |
| Islam › Re: … by truthman2012(m): 6:51pm On Jul 24, 2013 |
FrostyZonn: This link put a lot of your arguments in clear perspective;Interesting. |
...yes I think I forgot was king james' birthday, so they gave him some horses. But then, what about the age of joaichin? 
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