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lanrexlan: Don't mind the op,he is a liar.Maybe he could explain this to us.
Matthew 6:9-13(NIV) -This,then is how you should pray:Our Father in heaven,hallowed be your name,your kingdom come,your will be done,on earth as it is in heaven.Give us today our daily bread.And forgive us our debts,as we also have forgiven our debtors.And lead us not into temptation,but deliver us from the evil one..
Which spirit led Jesus into the wilderness in order to be tempted by the devil? Holy spirit or what spirit?
Matthew 4:1 (KJV) -Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil..Why was he tempted by devil after the lord's prayer?

Oga alfa, you too avoided the questions.

Jesus was tempted as an example for us. Satan's temptations and falling into it is no excuse as Jesus was tempted and never fell for it. You lack knowledge of spiritual things.

dejt4u: you knw absolute notin of what u ar talkin about here. The enchantment happens for a purpose which u can neva understand. And why is d jesus crucified. Why cant his God save him from cruxification?? Answer me asap.

You didn't answer the questions, why na?

Isaiah 53:7
He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth.

Many decades before Jesus was born, it was said of Him that He would be killed. Infact that is why He came, to take away the sins of those who believe in Him. You are free to be one. If He was to be saved He would not get to the cross at all.

CHRISTIANITY

Surely there is no enchantment against Jacob, neither is there any divination against Israel: according to this time it shall be said of Jacob and of Israel, What hath God wrought! Numbers 23:23

We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God
keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not. 1 John 5:18

All prophets of God in the Bible were immune against all forms of witchcrafts and magic.


ISLAM


Lo! as for My slaves, thou hast no power over any of them save such of the froward as follow thee,(Quran15:42)


Narrated Sad:
Allah's Apostle said, "He who eats seven 'Ajwa dates every morning, WILL NOT BE AFFECTED BY POISON OR MAGIC on the day he eats them." Sahih Al-Bukhari: Volume 7, Book 65, Number 356:

Narrated 'Aisha:

A man called Labid bin al-A'sam from the tribe of Bani Zaraiq worked magic on Allah's Apostle till Allah's Apostle started imagining that he had done a thing that he had not really done. One day or one night he was with us, he invoked Allah and invoked for a long period ……. Muhammad INVOKED Allah Sahih Al-Bukhari: Volume 7, Book 71, Number 658:

Narrated 'Aisha:
that Allah's Apostle was affected by magic, so much that he used to think that he had done something which in fact, he did not do, and he invoked his Lord (for a remedy). Then (one day) he said, "O 'Aisha! Do you know that Allah has advised me as to the problem I consulted Him about?" 'Aisha said, "O Allah's Apostle! What's that?" He said, "Two men came to me and one of them sat at my head and the other at my feet, and one of them asked his companion, 'What is wrong with this man?' The latter replied, 'He is under effect of magic……Sahih Al-Bukhari: Volume 8, Book 75, Number 400.

Muhammad himself taught muslims what to do against POISON, bewitchment and magic, why did it not work for him? Why was he affected and died of poison?

Why did allah's promise of protection against POISON AND MAGIC fail?

maclatunji: I laugh in Spanglish. I have Christians that love me. As for this section, we could write a thesis on the matter.

I doubt if you truly have Christians that love your power-drunkness!

Tithing began before the law was introduced. The Law simply regulated the tithe. Abraham tithed to Melchizedek, 400 years before the time of Moses and the Law, and according to Romans 4:12 we are to walk in the footsteps of the faith of Abraham. If tithing was good for him, it should be good for us, too.
We give tithes like Abraham gave them—not by the Law but by faith. And beside that, if the people of God paid ten percent before the Law, and ten percent under the Law, shouldn't we, who live by grace, be doing any less when we have a better covenant (Heb 7:22).

There is a passage in Hebrews, which deals with this issue directly. It is Hebrews 7:8:
In the one case, the tenth is collected by men who die; but in the other case, by him who is declared to be living.

Melchizedek received Abraham’s tithe. The Hebrew writer shows that Melchizedek is a prefigure of Christ. We can conclude that just as Abraham gave a tithe to Melchizedek we give a tithe to Christ who is declared to be living.
Some people think this is a new issue. It is as old as the second century when more and more Gentiles were being converted. The early Jewish believers had no problem with tithing since they had done it under the Law and gave it to the priests. They simply gave their tithe to the elders of the church and did by love. However, as the church became less Jewish this issue came up to the church fathers. They answered the question of tithing with Matthew 23:23:
"Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your spices—mint, dill and cummin. But you have neglected the more important matters of the law—justice, mercy and faithfulness. You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former.

Notice Jesus said, "You should have practiced the latter (justice, mercy and faithfulness), without neglecting the former (tithing)." The fathers argued, and rightful so, that Jesus word ends the discussion. Since Jesus said not to neglect the former—being tithing—then no believer should neglect tithing. [/b]I wholeheartedly agree!
Some argue that Jesus words are not applicable to us today, because Jesus was under the Law and spoke to those under the Law. Their theory goes something like this: Jesus was giving an instruction to the Jews so His words are not binding to us.

The problem with this interpretation is that these teachers are bringing Christ down to the level of a Jewish prophet or Teacher of the Law. Jesus is the Word of God made flesh, so this means every word that comes out of His mouth is eternal. [b]He cannot say anything without it being “spiritual law” and everlasting. Jesus emphasizes this point by saying, “Heaven and earth may pass away, but my words will never pass away” (Matt 24:35). [/b]These supposed Bible teachers are making the words of Jesus pass away—obsolete and out of date. Besides, these same teachers pick and choose which teachings of Christ in the gospels they believe is applicable to us. I notice that even these teachers agree that most of Christ’ teachings are for us; however, because they are predisposed against tithing, they have had to come up with an excuse for not obeying the clear word of Christ in [b]Mathew 23:23.

As a believer, you have to show who your Lord is! Is it the teachers who tell you tithing is not New Testament and who tell you that Jesus word on the subject is out of date; or is it Jesus who clearly told us not to neglect tithing? No modern teacher has the right to tell you to disobey Jesus instruction on tithing. Period!

Even if the only passages in the New Testament was Jesus word, then that would be sufficient, however, I want to present other New Testament passages on the subject. Let’s look at Paul’s teaching on giving.
Paul also uses the pattern of tithing under the law in 1 Corinthians 9:13-14 and says,
Don't you know that those who work in the temple get their food from the temple, and those who serve at the altar share in what is offered on the altar? In the same way, the Lord has commanded that those who preach the gospel should receive their living from the gospel.

Paul argues that just as the priests got their food from the tithes of the people, so the preachers should live the same way. This passage clearly shows the mentality of the apostle and his understanding of carrying over the concept of tithing into the church. The passage often used to contradict this is 2 Corinthians 9:7:
Each man should give what he has decided in his heart to give, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver.

The argument goes something like this: "Each believer has a right to decide for himself what to give and should not be told what percentage he should contribute."
The problem with this argument is that the above passage is not dealing with giving to support the church, but rather giving to the poor. Under the Law, giving to the poor was a freewill offering. The Law commanded freewill offerings as well as tithes:

But you are to seek the place the LORD your God will choose from among all your tribes to put his Name there for his dwelling. To that place you must go; there bring your burnt offerings and sacrifices, your tithes [/b]and special gifts, what you have vowed to give and your freewill offerings, and the firstborn of your herds and flocks. [b](Deut 12:5-6)

It is quite inconsistent for people to appeal to freewill offerings yet claim that tithing has been abolished. Both tithing and freewill offerings were incorporated in the Law as the above passage shows, but they preceded the Law, thus they both should be practiced. The burden of proof is placed on those who teach that tithing has been abolished. If so, where in the New Testament does it clearly say that tithing has been abolished?

Biblical Uses of Tithe

One last thing, notice the resemblance of the language Paul uses in the first passage in Galatians and compare it with the Old Testament passage about tithing:
Anyone who receives instruction in the word must share all good things with his instructor. (Gal 6:6)
And you and the Levites and the aliens among you shall rejoice in all the good things the LORD your God has given to you and your household. When you have finished setting aside a tenth of all your produce in the third year, the year of the tithe, you shall give it to the Levite, the alien, the fatherless and the widow, so that they may eat in your towns and be satisfied. (Deut 26:11-12)
Galatians 6 is dealing with giving to the teacher of the gospel and he uses the same language about the Levites receiving the tithe of the people and he calls it "all good things." This is pretty good internal evidence that the early church tithed to the ministers of the gospel, although, I admit it is not explicit evidence.

Only one-tenth of the tithe belongs to the pastor. What did the Levites do with the tithe they received? As the Levites had the tithe of the whole land, they themselves were obliged to give the tithe of this tithe to the priests, and this tithe or tenth they were obliged to select from the best part of the substance they had received (Numbers 18:26-29). Notice that only a tenth of the tithe were given to priests! In other words, when a tithe was given to the Levites, only a tenth of that tithe was given to the priests! Is that was Churches do today? No they do not. The priests use 100% of that tithe as they see fit, not 10% as God commands.

fapcrook: Having read this post from page zero to eleven,with no single cimment I can say ALLHIAMDULLILAH, I AM A MUSLIM AND PROUD OF IT.

When we are talking about the things of God, islam is not relevant. You can only bring in islam in Hinduism and Buddaism discussions. Those are its counterparts.

Greaaat: Any Christian that pays tithes or offering is a certified maga

Not true. Tithe was instituted by God and not abrogated any where. The question is: how is it used by churches? Are pastors alone feeding fat on it neglecting the needy in their churches?

Please this thread should not be miscontrued to mean payment of tithe is not ordained by God. Otherwise the churches will be financially incapacitated and run into problems. If it so happens, Satan will rejoice.

Even if one has the grace, he can pay more than tithe, depending on your love for the progress of the kingdom. But you have to watch and ensure you sow your seed not in a rocky land.

Thank you.

@ OP

Has tithe been abolished? When, where, how?

Pastor Olu T: Truly said,
Even the devil/agents uses cross, but it is the word in the mouth of a believer that have effect.

That is it.

The quran is the book where Satan condemned the Word of God (Bible) to establish his own.

Gabriel at the start of allah's revelations told a LIE. He commanded Muhammad to READ when he didn't come with any document. Read what? A lying demon. Because Muhammad, an illiterate man saw nothing to read, he had to ask 'what can I read'. Gabriel, the one that appeared to Muhammad was a demon, a lying spirit.

He tortured Muhammad thrice almost to death for his inability to read what was not available. A wicked spirit. He taught him how to be wicked and that is why muslims have no mercy. They can kill and destroy. Tell us, why should Muhammad be tormented to be sent good news? God's true Gabriel appeared to Mary, Zachariah and others, what he told them was 'fear not'. No report of torture.

Those who study demonology would know Muhammad's Gabriel was a demon. He displayed the characters of demons - tormenting their victims and lying.

Above all, Gabriel stylishly returned the muslims to idol worship. Kissing the black stone, drinking zamzam water, a well dug by Mutaleb, Muhammad's grandfather, which he dedicated to idols in his lifetime and many other idolatrous practices?

My people, islam is a religion of Satan. Whatever the quran says is not CREDIBLE.

I am also not in support of a man of God standing before a large audience asking for donations or vows when the sources of their income could not be ascertained.

Such MOG is ready to take money from armed robbers and fraudsters, those who need to give their lives before their money to God.

danot1030: @truthman2012, It is requir in stewards dat a man be faithful 1cor.4:2. wher is ur loyalty, wont it be beta u leav d church dan suport d agents of satan out 2 castigate d church? go n read Ish.60:5-16 n 61:5-6 1Cor.9:7-14 n c God's plan 4 his church.

I am no more in that church. Thank you.

You see, Paul established many churches in his time and never got headquaters where the tithes were being deposited for use for his pleasure.

The truth remains that men of God in the Bible were not interested in wealth like we have today. Jesus said ''lay your treasures in heaven''. Why are they so much attached to the things of this world if heaven is their goal? Who is their standard in the Bible?

I am sure you know how people were selling their belongings and distributed according to the needs of the brethdren. This taking care of one another. I tell you, if today's rich men of God do what they are required to do for the needy, there will be no much left for so much affluence.



I have many things to say but am using phone now, I may say more when I get to the computer.

@ OP

You said things that impress me this time except the charging and arresting. I am of the opinion that judgment should be left to God.

Most of the pastors who claim they have the call of God say so to establish a church as a source of livelihood. While it is not bad to live on the church, it should not be the objective.

I have been a pastor in one if not the most popular church in Nigeria, where your financial status is the reflection of your anointing. The more anointed you are the richer you are expected to be. The overall head of that church does not help matters as every minister looks up to him. God have mercy.

In a situation where a pastor wants to be rich and known, the hunger for money will not allow him to notice the suffering talkless of taking care of them.

@ OP

For your thread, I searched the book of Genesis thoroughly to find where the Bible says "God Did Not Create Man".

I think you should rather say you do not believe the Bible when it says God created man.

Genesis 2:7
And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

Genesis 2:18
And the Lord God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.

Genesis 2:21
And the Lord God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;

Genesis 2:22
And the rib, which the Lord God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.

How did you know the meaning or interpretation of Hebrew Bible? Did you study hebrew language? Stop deceiving yourself.

What is my wishful thinking? Am I the writer of those hadiths that confirm that islam is the same as idol worship?

How would a prophet of an Arabian deity be God's true prophet that would appear in the Bible? That Islam is against idol worship is satanic deceiption. How do you worship the true God the same way idol worshipers do?

If you still cannot understand, your case is not ordinary, you need deliverance.

JESUS IS LORD.

Al Musteqim: just go and check my quotes please

None of your quotations is referring to Muhammad. He is not in the Bible. You lack proper understanding of the Book.

What is your comment on the above pagan origin of islam?

Hear this again: Zamzam well in Kaaba was dug by Abdu Mutaleb, Muhammad's grandfather who was an adherent of Satan under Jinn-devil religion. He dedicated it to idols in the pre-islamic period. The same well is used by muslims today as holy water. Can you see that islam is a continuation of idol worship re-defined? May God in His mercy open your spiritual eyes.

Seun: @advocate666: Thou foul demon of Satan, I command you to leave the body of this young man this instant. NOW! AMEN!

There is still a spark of God's fire inside Seun. Very soon it will get ignited in Jesus name.

A change should as well be made to the MOD in the muslim section. I think they have overstayed their hospitality there.

omotayokay: Islam is a religion of peace and love...
on the issue or women, what can you say about Solomon that had 700 wives and 300 concubines, yet he's in paradise now....
On the issue of crime, Islam does not teach crime but against sin, which I belive Jesus also hates. Sensible muslims dont kill innocent souls, brainedwashed idiots do.
The only issue they (Muslims) have is not acceptin JESUS as the son of GOD,
Revelation 2:2..'' I know thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst bear they which are evil: and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles and are not, and hast found them liers'
yess, muslim cant bear fornicators, thieves, etc and thats is what the Sharia Law is about!
Revelation 2:3, ''And hast borne patince, and for my name's sake has laboured, and has not fainted''
yes, true muslims have endured for God
Revelation 2:,4, '' NEVERTHELESS, I HAVE SOMEWHAT AGAINST THEE, BECAUSE THOU HAST LEFT THY FIRST LOVE'' JESUS!!!!!!
Muslims, I beseech thee, accept JESUS as the son of living God and thou will be saved!
Thanks

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omotayokay: Islam is a religion of peace and love...
on the issue or women, what can you say about Solomon that had 700 wives and 300 concubines, yet he's in paradise now....
On the issue of crime, Islam does not teach crime but against sin, which I belive Jesus also hates. Sensible muslims dont kill innocent souls, brainedwashed idiots do.
The only issue they (Muslims) have is not acceptin JESUS as the son of GOD,
Revelation 2:2..'' I know thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst bear they which are evil: and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles and are not, and hast found them liers'
yess, muslim cant bear fornicators, thieves, etc and thats is what the Sharia Law is about!
Revelation 2:3, ''And hast borne patince, and for my name's sake has laboured, and has not fainted''
yes, true muslims have endured for God
Revelation 2:,4, '' NEVERTHELESS, I HAVE SOMEWHAT AGAINST THEE, BECAUSE THOU HAST LEFT THY FIRST LOVE'' JESUS!!!!!!
Muslims, I beseech thee, accept JESUS as the son of living God and thou will be saved!
Thanks

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omotayokay: Islam is a religion of peace and love...
on the issue or women, what can you say about Solomon that had 700 wives and 300 concubines, yet he's in paradise now....
On the issue of crime, Islam does not teach crime but against sin, which I belive Jesus also hates. Sensible muslims dont kill innocent souls, brainedwashed idiots do.
The only issue they (Muslims) have is not acceptin JESUS as the son of GOD,
Revelation 2:2..'' I know thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst bear they which are evil: and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles and are not, and hast found them liers'
yess, muslim cant bear fornicators, thieves, etc and thats is what the Sharia Law is about!
Revelation 2:3, ''And hast borne patince, and for my name's sake has laboured, and has not fainted''
yes, true muslims have endured for God
Revelation 2:,4, '' NEVERTHELESS, I HAVE SOMEWHAT AGAINST THEE, BECAUSE THOU HAST LEFT THY FIRST LOVE'' JESUS!!!!!!
Muslims, I beseech thee, accept JESUS as the son of living God and thou will be saved!
Thanks

Solomon was not a prophet, he was a king. More holiness is required from a prophet than a king. By the way, what is your assurance that Solomon is in heaven?

There are many things you are ignorant of about islam:

1. You don't know that for muslims to accept that Jesus is the Son of God is a sin of 'shirk' in islam.

2. If a muslim accepts Jesus as the Son of God, he is no more a muslim.

@OP

Thank you very much for this thread. God bless you.

If there is any success Satan has made in this world, it is islam. Of all the cults in the world, islam is the most dangerous.

See the way the Devil tricks the muslims: 70 virgins for the killer of non-muslims. Why is their god so much interested in sex? In some other cults, what Satan gives them as enjoyment is sex. I learned of a cult where their members sleep with women in front of other members before being promoted to other rank.

One does not need the gift of discernment of the spirit to know islam is an introduction of the Devil. After committing an act of first class wickedness, they shout islam is a religion of peace. Who is deceiving who.

On islam and women, Muhammad was marrying anything marriable and unmarriable including the wife of his adopted son. Muslims defence is that Zaid divorced Zynab, his wife before Muhammad married her. A blatant lie. No one of them could tell why Zaid divorced his wife. The truth of the matter is that Zaid divorced his wife out of fear of Muhammad, having indicated his intention when he visited Zaid in his house but he was not at home. Muhammad told Zynab that he never knew she had such a good body structure. Zaid who knew his master very well on women matter had to quickly divorce his wife for Muhammad to marry. After he had done his deed, he sent the poor man to war ill-equipped and he died there. What a prophet of allah? He has many cases to answer before God.

Let us come to look at it, if God intended a man to be so interested in women like the muslims, why did He create only one woman for Adam? If there was anybody who needed more than 70 wives, it was Adam because he needed to produce so many children to fill the earth as commanded by God. The Devil is an expert in changing the word of God.

Pure falsehood is easy to detect but when mixed with little truth, it becomes complex. The coloration of fake Godliness in islam make the ignorant believe it is from God. By their fruits we have known them.

mahdino: Pls get the hebrew bible and u will see MOHAMMAD (saw) mentioned by name in the songs of Solomon 5:16.
Your christian brothers delibrately translated the name of the noble prophet Mohammad (saw) so u cannot know.
Read al quran the last testament with open mind.

You fit into a Yoruba proverb that says it is a liar that will say his witness is in a far place. Why Hebrew bible you and I cannot interpret?

Let us come to look at it: why would God sent a sinner, Muhammad after a saint, Jesus Christ? There was no prophet in history that was as sinful as Muhammad. He himself did not hide it. Look at this:

"...O Allah! Forgive me the sins that I did in the past or will do in the future, and also the sins that I did in secret or in public. Bukhari volume 9, #482 This was the statement of your prophet, Muhammad.

Apart from this hadith, there are scores of other hadiths in which Muhammad acknowledged that he was a sinner. That is the man your brother said is the Holy Spirit.

Tell me why would God return the world to paganism Muhammad called islam? I tell you the truth, Gabriel that spoke to Muhammad was the Satan his father and grand father were worshiping. Otherwise, why should he direct muslims to do what the idol worshipers were doing before islam?

There is no denying that the Black Stone was one among many stones and idols venerated at the Ka’aba by the pre-Islamic pagans. The Black Stone was kissed during pre-Islamic pagan worship. Though Muhammad threw out 360 other objects at the Ka’aba, he retained this Black Stone and continued the practice of kissing it. It is this same stone that the pre-Islamic pagans once kissed, that Muslims kiss today when visiting Mecca.

Fasting on the 10th of Muharram

Muhammad's pagan tribe, the Quraish, fasted on the 10th of Muharram. Though optional, Muhammad retained this pagan practice too.
Narrated 'Aisha: 'Ashura' (i.e. the tenth of Muharram) was a day on which the tribe of Quraish used to fast in the pre-lslamic period of ignorance. The Prophet also used to fast on this day. So when he migrated to Medina, he fasted on it and ordered (the Muslims) to fast on it. When the fasting of Ramadan was enjoined, it became optional for the people to fast or not to fast on the day of Ashura.
Sahih Bukhari 5:58:172

Tawaf between Safa and Marwa

Doing Tawaf between Safa and Marwa is an Islamic ritual associated with the pilgrimage to Mecca. Safa and Marwa are two mounts, located at Mecca. This ritual entails Muslims walking frantically between the two mounts, seven times. This was originally a pagan pre-Islamic practice. Muhammad retained it for Islam, sanctioning it with yet another Qur'anic revelation.

Narrated 'Asim: I asked Anas bin Malik: "Did you use to dislike to perform Tawaf between Safa and Marwa?" He said, "Yes, as it was of the ceremonies of the days of the Pre-lslamic period of ignorance, till Allah revealed: 'Verily! (The two mountains) As-Safa and Al-Marwa are among the symbols of Allah. It is therefore no sin for him who performs the pilgrimage to the Ka'ba, or performs 'Umra, to perform Tawaf between them.' " (2.158)
Sahih Bukhari 2:26:710

Clearly, the Hadith testifies that Muhammad merely adopted this pagan ceremony from the pre-Islamic "period of ignorance" and justified it with yet another convenient Qur'anic revelation.

Requirement of Ihram

Ihram is a state a Muslim enters into for his pilgrimage to Mecca. It involves a series of procedures like ritual washing, wearing 'Ihram garments', etc. Ihram was originally a pagan requirement for worshipping idols during pre-Islamic times. Muhammad retained this practice for Islam. Muslims assume Ihram to perform the Hajj or Umrah.
Narrated 'Urwa: I asked 'Aisha : ...But in fact, this divine inspiration was revealed concerning the Ansar who used to assume “Ihram” for worshipping an idol called “Manat” which they used to worship at a place called Al-Mushallal before they embraced Islam, and whoever assumed Ihram (for the idol), would consider it not right to perform Tawaf between Safa and Marwa.
Sahih Bukhari 2:26:706

Circumambulation 7 Times

In the Islamic ritual of Tawaf, Muslims go around the Kaaba 7 times. In the Hindu marriage rite of Saptapadi, the married couple goes around a fire also 7 times. In both of these rituals, religious phrases are repeated during the circumambulation.

Circumambulation is to go in circles around a particular object. In Islam, worshippers and pilgrims do this around the Ka'aba at Mecca. Pre-Islamic pagans used do it to please the moon god Hubal, the 360 deities and Allah (who was merely one among the many deities worshipped there). Muhammad himself used to do it, even before the 360 idols inside the Ka'aba were removed.

Judaism and Christianity (the religions of those who are considered People of the Book) do not practice ritual circumambulation to please God. Two other faiths which do are Hinduism and Buddhism, religions older than Islam and accused by Islam of “paganism” and practicing idolatry.
Crescent Moon Symbol.

There are many other instances that show islam is a continuation of idol worship of the pre-islamic period.

So you mean Muhammad was sent by God to re-introduce idol worship to the world? If you still remain a muslim after reading this, something must be wrong with your reasoning.

@ OP

God had no covenant of prophethood with Ishmael, His covenant was with Isaac. That was why all prophets came through the lineage of Isaac including Jesus. So when the bible talks about brethren [/b]it is talking of children from Isaac lineage.

Muhammad was not a prophet of God but of allah, an arabian deity being worshiped before his birth. Even going by islamic creed - "lailah ilalah Muhammadu rosulilah". There is no god save allah and Muhammad is his prophet. [b]The only prophet allah had was Muhammad, other prophets belonged to the God of Israel.

For your information, Jesus is the last prophet:
"Do not work for food that spoils, but for food that endures to eternal life, which the Son of Man will give you. On him God the Father has placed HIS SEAL OF APPROVAL." John 6:27

From the bible reference, you can see Jesus is the [b]seal [/b]of God's prophet. Muhammad is not one at all.

Qtsnow: may God forgive you of your blasphemy, and save you and me from the torment of the day of judgement

There is nothing plasphemous here. Everything I said has authentic islamic records. I will post them on your request.

If Muhammad (though not) is the Holy Spirit sent in Jesus name by the Father, the following imply:

1. Accepting God as Jesus Father who sent Muhammad is a sin of 'shirk' to the muslims. So Jesus Father could not have sent Muhammad.

2. If Muhammad was sent in Jesus name, it shows Jesus is superior to him because he was sent on an errand for Jesus.

May I inform you that your ignorance is serious. Muhammad came from idolatrous family. His grand father, Mutaleb and his father, Abdullai were Jinn-devil worshipers. They were adherents of Satan the Devil. What in your widest imagination do you think his father would give birth to the Holy Spirit of God?

When Gabriel was to start giving him the devilish revelations, he tortured him thrice consecutively. Would a demon (Gabriel) do that to the Holy Spirit?

Muhammad started the worship of allah the way idol worshipers were doing before islam, is that the work of the Holy Spirit?

Muhammad was sleeping with all kinds of women including slaves. He was putting his head under menstruating women, a disgusting act that I don't expect even you to do. Is that your Holy Spirit? What is holy about Muhammad?

The zamzam well, muslims holy water was dug by Mutaleb, Muhammad's grand father, a Satan worshiper. The same well he was directing people to use for healing. Is that your Holy Spirit?

Let me stop at this because if I have to continue listing all his unclean acts, and the worst kinds of sins invented by Muhammad, yours holy spirit, it will turn to a whole textbook.

Finally for now, your holy spirit ate poison without knowing. What a holy spirit.

basilico: Mod M Why was I banned there? I cant post i am being told to wait for a few hours.why the intolerance oer there?

The people there hate the truth. What they want is praise of their religion. Islam is full of secrets that if exposed and not controled by them, the religion will go into extinction in no long time. Some of them have seen the truth but indulge in self-deception.

I have been banned and re-banned times without number, I pity them so much.