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@ RoyPCain

You have a serious problem. After everybody has seen clearly from Bukhari and quran that muslims are in hell till the day of resurrection when they will cross to heaven, you are still looking for where they said so. Keep looking. You are in the forefront of self-deceivers.

F00028: @truthman2012

you just have this uncontrollable urge to irrelevantly blabber, dont you?

You accused the Bible of not punishing a se.xual offender, Samson. And I told you even Muhammad did the same or worst.

Samson committed sins against God and we all could see how he ended his life.

Note that this is not the first time you are bringing up this issue before you made it a thread now.

Waraqa was the one who convinced Mohammed to be a prophet. After returning home from the cave of Harra', where he often went, Mohammed was frightened. He told his wife that a spirit claiming to be Gabriel appeared to him and choked him three times. Mohammed was convinced after this encounter that he had a devil inside him. But Khadijah insisted that Mohammed become a prophet of Allah. It’s interesting to note that when angels appeared in the Bible, they never threatened anyone or imposed the prophetic role upon him.
Khadijah was married to Nabash Bin Zarareh Bin Wakdanنباش بن زرارة بن وقدان, a visionary for the Jinn, before she met Mohammed. The Jinn appeared to Nabash in the form of an old man to give him information[29]. Abu Baker was his most important disciple of Nabash. Abu Baker remained a close friend of Khadijah, eager to obey her when she declared Mohammed was the prophet, instead of her former husband. As a wife of a visionary of Jinn, this gave Khadijah some prestige, because many Arabians consulted Jinn visionaries, and gave them money. This also explains why Khadijah was wealthy. She had caravans which brought goods from Syria to Mecca. After Nabash died, she employed Mohammed in her caravans, then married him, although Mohammed was twenty years younger than she.
After the negative experiences which depressed Mohammed, Khadijah sent him to her cousin, Waraqa, to convince him that Mohammed was called to be a prophet of Allah. Waraqa succeeded in his task and became responsible for most of the Qur’anic verses at the beginning. Waraqa inserted Ebionite doctrines about Jesus in the Qur’an, stating that Jesus was a prophet, and that He was not crucified, but God made someone to resemble Jesus. That one was crucified because the crowd thought he was Jesus. This doctrine was first initiated by Simon, the magician from Samaria, who later founded a heresy which took his name, Simonianism. In reality, Simon created the root for such doctrine, before it was developed by the Gnostics in later times. Here, I present Simon the magician’s idea about Jesus, which Hyppolytus reported in “The Refutation of all heresies”:
Jesus Christ being transformed, and being assimilated to the rulers and powers and angels, came for the restoration (of things). And so (it was that Jesus) appeared as man, when in reality he was not a man. And (so it was) that likewise he suffered, though not actually undergoing suffering, but appearing to the Jews to do so.[30]
The idea that the people crucified someone whom God made to resemble Jesus was embraced by some heresy-believing groups which were known to have immoral values, such as free sex and connections with occultism. Waraqa belonged to one of these cults.
Waraqa was one of the founders of the group called Ahnaf. In the first narration of the life of Mohammed, written by Ibn Hisham in the 8th century A.D., we read:
The Honafa’, or Ahnaf, was a small group started when four Sabians at Mecca agreed. Those four were Zayd bin Amru bin Nafil, Waraqa bin Naufal, Ubaydullah bin Jahsh, and Uthman Bin al-Huwayrith.[31]
The four founders of Ahnaf were all related to Mohammed. They were descendants of Loayy, one of Mohammed's ancestors. Furthermore, Waraqa bin Naufal and Uthman Bin al-Huwayrith were cousins of Khadijah. We know this from Mohammed’s genealogy presented by Ibn Hisham.[32] Ubaydullah Bin Jahsh was a maternal cousin to Mohammed. Mohammed married his widow, Um Habibeh. All this reveals the close connection between Mohammed and the founders of the group.
This group was unknown outside Mecca, but Umayya bin Abi al-Salt, a maternal cousin of Mohammed, is considered by some to be a member of the group. He lived in the city of Taif. We know many people joined them. They belonged to different religions, and thus had various doctrines. Each religion contained some form of polytheism, paganism and occultism. This makes them the most unlikely group in history to claim that they espoused the faith which Abraham and other prophets in the Old Testament professed and preached. It’s ridiculous that Muslims would believe that this pagan group represented the true and devout faith.
The myths which they believed and incorporated into their poetry were also written into the Qur’an because Mohammed belonged to the group from the time he was a youth. He boasted that he believed in their creed, and he was known to have connections with many members of this group. He was influenced by their teachings, as well as by the immoral concepts and the use of slogans of sex to draw people to them, such as a paradise of free sex. All this reflects Mohammed’s deep affiliation to this group. Mohammed used their ideas. In the Qur’an we encounter some of the same myths.
It was not known if this group called themselves Honafa’ or Ahnaf, or if they were called this by the society as such, but they knew the terminology had a negative meaning and reflected negative behavior. The word hanif means “astrictive, confined, awry, biased and errant.” The Arabic word comes from the verb hanafa which means “to become Astrictive.”[33] Although the Qur’an would convey a positive meaning to the term hanif today, it was not so at the time of Mohammed. Jawad Ali, the Iraqi scholar I referred to earlier, says, “The Hanaf is straying from the right way.” Jawad Ali quotes many old Islamic authors who maintained this was the meaning of hanif at the time of Mohammed.[34] According to Jawad Ali, the word also is derived from an Aramaic word that means "atheist, guileful, hypocrite, infidel or perverted."[35]
No matter how you look at it, the term hanif was a negative one at the time of Mohammed, as we see it in the Arabic and Aramaic languages. This suggests that since the group's members were called by this term, not by themselves but by the society in which they lived, is a reflection on their immoral conduct and the perversions in which they participated.
The Immoral Reputation of Ahnaf and its Impact on Mohammed
Their immoral behavior is seen in their poems, such as the poem composed by Waraqa Bin Naufal, one of the four founders of the group. He boasted of his own experience raping a girl in her home and enjoying sex with her. In his poem he encourages others to enjoy experiences like this.[36] Waraqa's immoral ideas left a special impact on Mohammed, who learned under him.
When Waraqa died, the biographers of Mohammed said the “inspiration cooled down or languished.”[37] Because of this, Mohammed wanted to throw himself many times from a mountain. The narrators are in disagreement about the duration of such period in which he tried to kill himself; some claimed it was forty days, others say it was three years.[38] It took time before Mohammed found other resources for his verses.
Many Kuhhan of the Jinn religion of Arabia were part of the Ahnaf group. The Ahnaf used to have rhymed prose like the Kuhhan of the Jinn-devils of Arabia.[39] They used to have relationships with the Jinn-devils, and they claimed that those devils were useful helpers and agents. Among the leaders of Ahnaf, who was in closest communication with the Jinn-devils, was Ummia bin Abi al-Salt, the maternal cousin of Mohammed. The devil used to teach him religious things, such as: " Bismika allahumma," which means: "in your name Allah are they." [40] It is clear the Devils in Arabia were training the group of Ahnaf to face and challenge Christianity, which spread in Arabia during the sixth century. Later, Mohammed adopted the same term. The Ahnaf replaced the angels with the Jinn as useful agents, claiming that Solomon and other prophets of the Bible had Jinn–devils in their service. They claimed this to justify their occult relationships with the devils, like Ummia, who used to have relationships with the Jinn-devils. [41] Mohammed followed the same path, organized occultic rituals with the Jinn, boasting of such relationships, under the excuse that the Jinn-devils had become Muslims. In the Qur’an, Mohammed later copied the teachings of the Ahnaf that even Solomon had Jinn-devils in his service.
The study of the family in which Mohammed was born and raised up, shows that it was a family dedicated to occultism and relationships to the Jinn-devils. Many family members were involved in the leadership of the Jinn religion of Arabia as Kuhhans, or mediums of the Jinn- devils. We do not affirm this through mere guessing or conjecture, but by depending on the Islamic sources, upon which Muslims depend, in establishing the true history of Mohammed; such as Ibn Hisham and other important historical scholars who narrated the life of Mohammed. The involvement of Mohammed’s family in Arabian occultism explains Mohammed’s close relationship with the Jinn-devils; despite the fact that he tried to justify such occultic relationships with the excuse that the Jinn-devils had became Muslims.
Muslims are in need of the true divine guide, that is the Bible, in order to discern the truth and not remain in this eternal trap with which the Arabian Jinn religion so forcefully imprisons the souls of so many until this day. The Bible absolutely prohibits any relationships with Jinn-devils. In the Old Testament, the Bible orders that persons who are in contact with Jinn –devils, or persons who practice and cast spells, to be stoned to death. How, then, can a Holy God, who abhors occult practices like what the family of Mohammed and Mohammed himself practiced chose a prophet from among them?

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[1] Ibn Hisham, I, page 69
[2] Ibn Hisham, I, pages 117 and 118
[3] Ibn Hisham, I, page 126; Halabieh, I, page 58
[4] Halabieh, I, page 121
[5] Halabieh, I, page122
[6] Ibn Hisham, I, page 119
[7] Al-Nuwayri, Nihayat al-arab fi funun al-adab, 3, page 133
[8] Al-Nuwayri, Nihayat al-arab fi funun al-adab, 3, page 123
[9] Ibn Hisham I, pages 126 and 127
[10] Ibn Hisham, I, page 126; Halabieh, I, page 58
[11] Halabieh, 1,63
[12] Ibn Hisham, I, page 128
[13] Halabieh, I, pages 73 and 74
[14] Al-Lisan, 13, page 213 ; quoted by Jiwad Ali, al-Mufassal, vi, page 720
[15] Halabieh, I, pages 73 and 74
[16] Halabieh, 1, page 75
[17] Halabieh, 1, page 98
[18] Sahih al-Bukhari, 1, page 96

[19] Halabieh, 1, pages 406-407
[20] Demonolgia , a discourse on Witchcraft, pages 32-33
[21] Ibn Hisham, 1 page 147, see also the foot note in the same page.
[22] Halabieh 1, pages 101 and 432
[23] Taj al-Arus, 5, page 381
[24] Halabieh 1, pages 407
[25] Ibn Hisham, 1 pages 189 and 218
[26] Ibn Hisham, 1 page 225
[27] Ibn Hisham 1, page 128
[28] Hyppolytus, The Refutation of all heresies, book VIII , Chapter XIII
[29] Ibn Darid, Al-Ishtiqaq, pages 88 and 89
[30] Hyppolytus, The Refutation of All Heresies, book VI , Chapter xiv
[31] Ibn Hisham 1, page 242: quoted by Jawad Ali, vi, page 476
[32] Ibn Hisham, first part ; pages 63 and 76
[33] Al-Munjed, Arabic dictionary, page 158
[34] Jawad Ali, al-Mufassal, vi, page 451
[35] Jawad Ali , al-Mufassal, vi, page 454
[36] Al Asbahani, Al-Agani 3, page 118
[37] Sahih al-Bukhari, 1, page 4
[38] Halabieh, I, page 421
[39] Jawad Ali, al-Muffassal Fi Tarikh al-Arab Khabl al-Islam, 6, page 461
[40] Al-Dumeiri, Al-Hawan, 2, page 195; quoted by Jawad Ali, al-Muffassal Fi Tarikh al-Arab Khabl al-Islam, 6, page 484; al- Aghani, 4, page 122
[41] Ibn Kathir, Al-Bidaya wa al-Nihaya 2, page 227; quoted by Jawad Ali, al-Muffassal Fi Tarikh al-Arab Khabl al-Islam, 6, page 481

Finally, Abdel Mutalib selected a wife for Abdullah. She was Amneh, a niece of Soda Bint Zehra, the main priestess of the Jinn at Mecca. Al-Halabi states that the reason Abdel Mutalb took Amneh as a wife for Abdullah was due to her aunt Soda Bint Zehra.[13] Abdul wanted to be near the chief priestess and embrace the kind of dedication to the worship of Jinn which she represented.
An important test of the level of someone’s dedication and his attachment to his religious convictions is the partner he has selected for himself or for his son to marry. If he’s satisfied with any female of the sect, we might consider him a normal follower of his own religious system, but if he looks for wives only among women dedicated to his religion he ceases to be a simple follower of his religion, and becomes an activist and a fanatic. He shows that he desires to promote the religion by building a family totally dedicated to it, so that such family may have a leading role in his religious system.
This helps us see the religious affiliations of the man who dug the well of Zamzam, and gives us the purpose for which he dug the well. It was a custom for Arabians to dig a well and dedicate it to the gods they worship and venerate. The fact that Abdul Mutaleb dug the well of Zamzam and erected the two statues of the priest of Jinn, Asaf and Naelah, on the well, is sufficient to convince us of the nature of his religion and the zeal he had to promote it. Because he considered killing his son Abdullah before those two statues, indicates that the Arabian Jinn worship was his main religion and he was fully dedicated to it.
The literature which gives us background to the life of Arabians at the time of Mohammed, mentions the custom of some Arabians to present sacrifices to the Jinn-devils after they dug a well.[14] The fact that Abdul Mutaleb had erected the two statues of the priests of Jinn on the well of Zamzam, and that he was ready to kill his son at the feet of these statues, indicates that he wanted to bring a sacrifice to the Jinn, and that he dug the well of Zamzam for the express purpose of honoring the worship of the Jinn religion of Arabia.
How ironic it is to connect this occult place with Abraham! Muslims today receive no benefit from traveling so far to drink water from a well like the one at Zamzam. Neither do they benefit from performing rituals from this pagan occult system. Christ is the one who gives the true water of life. He gives the gift of the Holy Spirit and eternal life to each one who accepts Him as personal Savior. Shouldn’t our Muslim friends be among those who follow Christ?

Amneh, the mother of Mohammed

Amneh was the niece of Soda Bent Zahreh, the priest of Jinn at Mecca. We saw that the reason Abdel Mutalb took Amneh as a wife for Abdullah was due to her aunt Soda Bint Zehra.[15]
Mohammed was known to have suffered from trances since his childhood because Amneh, his mother, brought on him a rukhieh, or bewitching.[16] In the rukhieh a Kahan priest of Jinn brings the spirit of Jinn to a person to whom the Kahen is connected as a medium. Since Amneh was the niece of Soda Bent Zahreh, the priest of Jinn at Mecca. This may explain why she was able to perform occultic ceremonies upon Mohammed, called “rukhieh, when he was very young. Only the Kuhhan of Arabia could perform the right of “rukhieh,” a practice of witchcraft indicating that Mohammed’s mother had joined the ranks of the Kuhhan of Arabia after her aunt had passed away.
Children on whom a “rukhieh” was practiced suffered from many signs such as: falling into trances and having convulsions. Since his childhood, Mohammed suffered from many of these identical symptoms. Halabieh, a biographer of Mohammed, mentioned that Mohammed suffered from convulsions since he was one year old.[17] Sahih Al Buchari, reports one occasion on which Mohammed fell into a trance while he was a young man before he claimed to have received the Qur'an.[18] Other Islamic literature, such as Halabieh, states that Mohammed used to go into a coma before he wrote down the Qur'an, which clearly reveals his direct involvement with Kahaneh. When he started receiving the Qu’ran he fell into a coma.[19]
Anthropologists believe that the priesthood which serves the devil is transmitted from individual to individual in the same family.[20]

Abu Taleb

When studying occultism in the family of Mohammed, it is important to know what the biographers of Mohammed mention about Abu Taleb, the uncle of Mohammed, who Mohammed went to live with after his grandfather, Abdel Mutaleb, died.
Abu Talebs father had a special zeal for the Jinn Religion of Arabia, leading his son to follow in his footsteps. Abu Taleb’s alligance to the Jinn religion of Arabia, is confirmed by his consultation of the soothsayers and diviners. In fact, as son of a leader in the Jinn religion of Arabia, Abu Taleb had very close relationships with: soothsayers, diviners, fortune tellers, and all others who practiced witchcraft; Abu Taleb used to regularly consult with such persons . Ibn Hisham, the most authoritative biographer of Mohammed, mentions that Abu Taleb used to consult a soothsayer by the name of Lahab bin Auhjun bin Kaab لهب بن أحجن بن كعب , from the tribe of Uzd. Ibn Hisham mentions that Abu Taleb used to expose his nephew Mohammed to the advices of Lahab.[21] No wonder Mohammed suffered from nightmarish visions in the house of Abu Taleb, and Abu Taleb himself suffered from the influence of the Jinn-devils, experiencing the most dangerous and severe phenomenon, which usually occur in the houses of devil worshipers. Among the worst calamities which befell Abu Taleb was that the Jinn-devils seized his elder son, Taleb, and he no more was found.[22] This thing that occurred to Taleb is known in the field of demonology: when the devil possesses a person, often such person is subjected to suicidal acts provocted by the devil, such as throwing himself into the fire or into a well of water. The extremely dangerous activities of the devils in the house of Abu Taleb, where Mohammed grew up, is seen in another fact: the other son of Abu Taleb, called Ja'efer, was affected by what the Arabians called "Ain al-Jinn", which means " the eye of the Jinn". The Arabians at the time of Mohammed distinguished the symptoms of severe demon possession, as symptoms caused by the eye of the Jinn negatively effecting the person who suffers from such symptoms. These are the same symptoms which effected Mohammed, mainly: convulsions, trances and comas. The Arabians recognized the trance as an affliction caused by a devil. [/b]They called it “affliction through Ain,” or the eye. The eye of the Jinn looked at a person and caused the trance to happen.[23]The mother of Ja'efer told Mohammed -after Mohammed claimed to be a prophet-, " O prophet of Allah, my son Ja'efer is affected by the ‘Ain of Jinn,’ shall we make for him a Rukhieh. Mohammed said: yes."
[24] Rukieh was casting a spell on a person affected by a Jinn-devil. The adeherents of the Jinn religion of Arabia believed that another Jinn–devil, who is stronger than the one who caused the symptons of " Ain of Jinn ", is able to expell the Jinn from the body. Mohammed in this case agreed that such sorcery should be done to his cousin Ja'efer. As we will see that Mohammed himself, before his claim to be a prophet, was known to be a Rakhi راقي, the one who practices Rukhieh upon others. From these examples, we can imagine the dangerous occult environment where Mohammed passed his boyhood; he lived in a family where the Jinn-devils domainated and possessed the members, and where the worst imagineable consequences befell them! All of this was due to their relationships with soothsayers, sorcerer, diviners and mediums.
Thus, Mohammed’s close relationship with the Jinn, his episode of Jinn's disease, and his eventual rise to becoming a Rukhi himself grew out of his family’s deep occultic roots. His occult involvement all began with his mother Amneh casting spells on him as a young child, growing in intensity in the house of Abu Taleb, and continuing up until the time of his claim to prophethood. Even Mohammed’s uncle, Abu Taleb, unfolds the truth in his own poetry that Mohammed had become a Rakhi, a person who casts spells upon others. In fact, Ibn Hisham, the oldest and the most authoritative Islamic biographer of the life of Mohammed, wrote the very famous poem, “Abu Taleb.”, the uncle of Mohammed recited. The leaders of Mecca came to Abu Taleb asking him to give Mohammed to them to be judged by them. Abu Taleb refused, and recited a poem lauding and praising Mohammed. There is a stanza in this poem in which he described Mohammed as "a Rakhi, or conjurer who conjures spells in Harra where he dwells."[25] Harra’ is the caves near Mecca where Mohammed used to spend his time before he claimed to have been visited by the angel Gabriel and allegedly entrusted with the role of prophecy.
For Abu Taleb and in the eyes of many Arabians, the witch doctor, or rakhi, was a benevolent occupation because of the Jinn religion’s influence and the reputation that rakhis had for evicting the spirits that caused disease through their own Jinn. Mohammed confirmed that his uncle recited the poetry about him and boasted about its contents.[26]
Mohammed descended from a long line of occultic worshipers, which considered the casting of spells and sorcery to be a great privilege, and not a curse and an abomination as the Bible calls it. Deuteronomy chapter 18 prohibits that any one consult mediums of Jinn-devils, as the family of Mohammed was deeply involved with, or cast a spell like what Mohammed used to do and encouraged his relatives to do. In fact we read in Deuteronomy 18:10-14:
There shall not be found among you anyone who makes his son or his daughter pass through the fire, one who uses divination, one who practices witchcraft, or one who interprets omens, or a sorcerer, or one who casts a spell, or a medium, or a spiritist, or one who calls up the dead. For whoever does these things is detestable to the LORD; and because of these detestable things the LORD your God will drive them out before you. You shall be blameless before the LORD your God. For those nations, which you shall dispossess, listen to those who practice witchcraft and to diviners, but as for you, the LORD your God has not allowed you to do so. (NASB)

Khadijah, the First Wife of Mohammed, and her Cousin Waraqa
Khadijah, the first wife of Mohammed, came from a family of prominent occult leaders. Among them we mentioned Ruchieh, a Kahineh of Jinn-devils at Mecca. Ruchieh was the sister of Waraqa bin Naufal,[27] the Ebionite occult priest who was the cousin of Khadijah. Waraqa, was a leading figure in the Ahnaf. He used to make Tahnuf, which meant he spent time in the caves of Harra', separating himself from the rest of society for months at a time. (Such practices were common among heretics, as we learn from the early Christian fathers. [28]), and were known among leaders of occult sects. Khadijah used to make Tahnuf at the same caves.

RoyPCain: @truthman2012;

There are holy men who are not even prophets [as]. Every prophet [as] is a holy man. while Jesus [as] is honored as word of God, no prophet [as] is not word of God. So is every creation. You will certainly die and when you get to the other side and see Muhammad [sa] is truly the holy prophet [sa], ask God and argue as hard as you can. While on earth, you said Noah was known by his son as in sexu.al sense in his last days, drunk. You said Lot was known by his daughters also as in sex.ual sense in his last days, drunk. Neither of them or other countless bible holy men who you have reason to consider them less than Jesus [as] could be possible that Muhammad [sa] is less than in great quality.



You will not deny that God chose them, but you have problem with Muhammad [sa] who did things according to the Commandment of God. Noah was told that his blood son was not his son because of the evil of the son, being one of the disbelievers. You dont mind rude speech of Jesus to his elders, his nations, his disciples, indeed his mother. You dont mind Jesus in his spirit of Jihad, fighting old people who consumed interest in their currency trade. You dont mind the Jihad speech of Jesus calling people fools, dogs or comparing them to dogs, lambasting his disciples as brainless faithless or have just the monimal. You dont see the preaching of Jihad by Jesus who says the king has the right to kill uncooperative subjects, in parable which may actually be himself is the king since he later asked that people be armed to the teeth with swords and whatever is in the bag. You dont see anything Jihadist in his returning to kill his own, the jewish nations, while Muhammad forgave the makkans and people of taif who could have been wiped off and he would have been justified and had reasons to do so.



Thank God that your morality is neither the yardstick that Yahweh or Jehovah measures who is a prophet or who they came to the world as, according to your believe that Jesus was Him in heaven and is as man! You dont see anything wrong in a child getting his mother pregnant. You dont see sny evil in a father not marrying the mother of his son. Everything is okay by you and no evil done as long as Muhammad [sa] is not the one doing it, because if it good or normal and moral lesson can be drawn from it. it is evil as long as Muhammad [sa] has a hand in it!

And the arabs are the best that came as a group from the loin of Abraham [as] because with less resources of spiritual opportunity, they are better than their children of israel cousins who scores of prophets exclusively came for, one after the other and when it ended with Jesus [sa] of the Quran, even your Bible left them as 'disbelievers, stiffed neck people". Arabs didnt kill any prophet [as] but honored Muhammad [sa], but you even say that Jesus was killed by the jews. Was Jesus killed for the sins of all of us? No. Jesus was sent to the jews and if you know the jews well enough, they will not include you in anything good. Definitely, not where you will be equal to them since they still call you gentile meaning less than human. Although, Jesus was not killed, if he was, the jews would have for their own benefits, alone. Yahweh/Jehovah Who sent him to the Jews only would not be including you in it and after-the-fact is a failed attempt to rectify lies.



Allah is proper Name, while Yahweh is a description because the people forgot the Name and or scared to say it. Yet they say they are the chosen. Jehovah is latinized and not a proper name. When those you imitate are wrong, you are definitely wrong.




a man rejecting Jesus of the Bible is on the same side with Yahweh, Elah because He rejected Jesus, too. Jesus prayed, God rejected it according to what is written in the bible. Jesus is faultless. The Quran does not record any fault for him. Jesus of the Bible could not be assumed sinless if insulting your mother, your community, your followers, killing tree, saying what never came true, blaming God are sins. One have to be in denial to think otherwise.



as for Ishmael, God Himself named him and he was the only son for 14 years until his step mother got jealous according to the bible. God didnt make covenant with anyone but Abraham [as] which benfits all his bloodline as long as he is on guidance, not including those who went astray. Now tell me what evil you can count on Ishmael and remember no evil prophesy of in the bible touched him. You are not a father is the only possible reason you can say a father will not pray for his 'obedient' son and continuously petition God to protect him. God is not evil so He could not have cast out innocent soul, not a child and definitely not an one with "EL" as in Ishmael in his name. The Bible contains a whole heap of what is not from God so the bible is not the measure of true revelation as a whole. Some revelation, yes, but complete revelation from leaf to leaf, no.


The proof that Ishmael was not cast out or forgotten by Abraham instead maintained good father and son relationship is from the Bible itself where the opposite is said, hence proving itself as not truly a book that contain only revelation in it. Ishmael was part of those who buried Abraham. A cast out will not know the way back home and definitely will not be allowed back in, not in such an event where only true blood can be there. This may be the reason Esau was not part of the people, assuming that Jacob was there. When the bible checkmates itself on such a matter, you can only accept what it says if there is acceptance by the Guard over Revelation, The Criterion being the Quran. When God says I will bless Ishmael, and the Bible says he will be an ass, there is a problem. No one whose name has God's name in the Bible is an ass, so Ishmael was blessed unless you say the Bible God lied.

You are not bold enough to say such a thing because you will have to explain how the blessed Isaac became blind and his wife Rebecca was an evil woman against Esau and Jacob was a deception and a schemer. You see that blessing is real instead of on the lips by the trouble free life that Ishmael lived, remembered by his nephew, Jacob so much so that he told his children of Joseph generation. Muhammad [sa] says he is from Ibrahim [as] and the answer of his prayer. Read the Quran and there is "the station of Ibrahim" in Kaaba to tell you the everlasting love of Ibrahim for his son Ismail [as] who forbears, patient.


An Osu man can be the king maker in Igbo land. Though tradition dies hard, the fact on the table weakens tradition. The king maker is greater than the king. Ask GEJ who is the Nigerian President. Ask Buhari who jailed those who made independence possible. Ask Babangida who threw a billionaire in jail. Ask Gowon, a tiv man who rattled the whole of nigeria. I could have asked you to ask Abacha, but you are here and he is not. God elevates who He will and the prideful are easily shamed. In Abeokuta of today, Alake is only for Ake. The Olowu of the Owu where Obasanjo comes from dont bow to Alake. People are better and they destroy unacceptable status. Today, pen is mightier than sword. Today, the Promise of God is being fulfilled; the muslims are fasting for God in obedience to Him, seeking His Mercy. So are fasting 20 hours give and take a few hours.

The case of Ishmael is very clear in the Bible. Infact as far as God is concern, Ishmael is not supposed to be called after Abraham:

Genesis 21:12
And God said unto Abraham, Let it not be grievous in thy sight because of the lad, and because of thy bondwoman; in all that Sarah hath said unto thee, hearken unto her voice; for in Isaac shall thy seed be called.

"For in Isaac shall thy seed be called" means Ishmael name has been deleted from Abraham's family.

Note that this statement was God's own statement. How would God again go Ishmael lineage to be a prophet - Muhammad? That Ishmael came to Abraham's burial is immaterial. Many people would also come who were not his children.

Now let us see the source or sources of Islam from a Jinn Religion (worship of Satan). Go through this biography of Muhammad's family painstakingly with mind unprejudiced and you will discover that islam has a satanic source(s):

Occultism in the family of Mohammed

When exposing occultism in the family of Mohammed, we are not showing prejudice or unfairness to Muslims; rather, we are simply presenting the truth, as recorded in Islamic literature. Unfortunately, the Islamic historians, who recorded such occult phenomenon, failed to recognize that such occultism is directly contradictory to: the nature, the call, and the word of the true God.
Will our Muslim friends today fail to continue to be able to discern the real spiritual forces, which under lied Mohammed and his family? An honest study of the life of the members of the family of Mohammed will help us to clarify this problem. We will begin with the grandfather of Mohammed, Abu Mutaleb, who was known as the worshiper of Asaf and Naelah.

What was the True Religion of Abdul Mutaleb?

Asaf and Naelah were two Kuhhan, priests of the Jinn-devils. Tradition asserts that the gods transformed them into two stones, because they committed fornication inside the Kaa’bah of Mecca.
The statues of Asaf and Naelah were also placed on the well of Zamzam. Ibn Hisham, who edited the oldest book on the life of Mohammed, says these statues were worshipped at the well of Zamzam. He tells us the worshippers sacrificed their animals to the statues there[1]. This suggests to us that the well of Zamzam was dedicated to the worship of the two priests of the Jinn, which the statues represented. It was Abdel Mutaleb, the grandfather of Mohammed, who dedicated the well of Zamzam to the two venerated Jinn priests and their statues. We draw this conclusion for many reasons. First, Abdel Mutaleb dug the well of Zamzam.[2] Second, Abdel Mutaleb was one of the worshippers of the statues of the two Jinn priests. He was so consumed by occult worship that he wanted to sacrifice one of his own sons at the feet of the two statues at Zamzam. That son was Abdullah, the father of Mohammed. When Abdel Mutaleb was at the point of killing Abdullah with his knife, Abdel Mutaleb's brother rescued the boy.[3]
The idea of sacrificing one’s son to the Jinn or their representatives, the venerated leaders and priests, is known, not only in Arabia, but also in other parts of the ancient world. Even to this day worshippers in the occult religions sacrifice children to devils. The fact that Abdul Mutaleb chose to sacrifice his son before these two statues reveals that the religion of the Jinn of Arabia was the religion to which he was most attached.
The third reason for concluding that Abdul Mutaleb dedicated the well of Zamzam to the statues of the Jinn priests who were venerated in Mecca is that Abdul Mutaleb showed he had a close relationship with the representatives of the Arabian Jinn religion. Those representatives, or priests, were called Kuhhan, the singular of which is Kahen. Abdul Mutaleb consulted the Kuhhan when he faced a problem. They were his counselors, and he used to travel great distances in order to meet and consult a famous Kahen. When a dispute between the tribe of Quraish and Abdel Mutaleb occurred because of the well of Zamzam, Abdel Mutaleb chose a famous Kahinah of Jinn to rule in the matter. This Kahinah was the one who appointed two dangerous Kuhhan of the Jinn, Satih and Shak', to be priests of the Jinn after her death.[4] Al-Halabieh says about these two Kuhhan of the Jinn:
They were the chiefs of the Kuhhan and the ones with knowledge about occultism and the priesthood to the Jinn.[5]
Ibn Hisham mentions about this Kahinah, “She was the Kahinah of the clan of Saad Hutheim.”[6] When a dispute arose between Abdel Mutaleb and Beni Kilab, which means the clan of Kilab, Abdel Mutaleb went to a Kahen of the Jinn called Rabiah Bin H'thar al-Asadi to judge the matter.[7] Consulting the Kuhhan of the Jinn was something that the grandfathers of Mohammed practiced. Hisham, the father of Abdel Mutaleb, was known to consult a main Kahen of the tribe of Khuzaa'h.[8] Many examples such as these shed light to the affiliation of the family and the ancestors of Mohammed to the religion of Jinn in Arabia.
As if this were not convincing enough, two more considerations prove that Abdul Mutaleb was a leader in the Arabian Jinn religion. When Abdel Mutaleb dedicated his son Abdullah, who became the father of Mohammed, he did it through a Kahinah, a female Kahen, under the instruction of the Jinn to whom she was connected. The biographers of Mohammed, including Ibn Hisham, Mohammed’s most authoritative biographer, tell us that Abdel Mutaleb took Abdullah to a Jinn priestess named Khutbah. She lived in the city of Khaybar located in north central Arabia.[9] When he visited Khutbah, Abdul Mutaleb expressed his readiness to kill his son if the priestess of Jinn ordered him to do so. It is clear that children born to the followers of occult sects were to be sacrificed to the malignant spirit connected with the medium or priest of the occult community. The spirit may ask that the child be killed as a sacrifice to the devil, or the priests may ask the child’s parents to present dogs or other animals to the malignant spirit as sacrifices. It is clear that, in the case of Abdul Mutaleb, we encounter the same occult phenomenon which is practiced among various occult sects. The spirits of Jinn-devils rule over the destiny of children who are born within the occult community. This was the reason many children were sacrificed to the devil.
We see the dedication of Abdel Mutaleb to the religious system which Khutbah represented. Abdel Mutaleb was ready to obey the decision of the Jinn-devil to whom Khutbah was a medium and a priest, in whatever the Jinn decided for his son. Ibn Hisham reports the answer the Jinn priestess gave to Abdel Mutaleb’s request: “Return to me after one day until the one to whom I am connected comes to me.”[10] By this she meant the Jinn-devil. The Jinn-devil came to her and told her that camels should be sacrificed instead of Abdullah, who became the father of Mohammed.
To decide the religion of any person, one needs only to look at where he consecrates his children. If he dedicates his children in a church, we know he is a Christian. If he dedicates them in a Jewish synagogue, we can be sure he is a Jew. If he dedicates them in a Sabian temple, then he is member of the Sabian sect. But when he dedicates his children in an occult ceremony by a medium of the order of a Jinn-devil, then he belongs to the occult sect that the medium or priestess represents. That’s his religion. Not far from Mecca, there were many Christian churches, particularly in the city of Najran. There were also many synagogues near Mecca, but Abdul Mutaleb avoided all these and went to dedicate his son through Kahinah, a priestess of the Jinn.
Another thing to consider was his willingness to find a wife for his son Abdullah from among the priestesses of the Jin. He introduced Abdullah to many young Jinn priestesses. On one occasion reported in the book of Halabieh, which contains the life of Mohammed:
When Abdel Mutaleb accompanied his son Abdullah in preparation for marriage, he passed by a Kahinah who was a priestess of Jinn from Tubbalah, a small town in Yemen. The name of the woman was Fatimah, daughter of Mural-Khathmieh الخثعمية.[11]
Another priestess of Jinn to whom Abdullah was introduced was Ruchieh Bint Naufal رقية. She was also a Kahinah priestess of Jinn. Ibn Hisham, Mohammed’s main biographer, showed that Abdul Mutaleb encountered Ruchieh in the Kaabah, which suggests that she was part of the occult functions that took place in the Kaabah of Mecca.[12]


(to be continued)

golpen: Thanks. But I remember your brother truthman2012 accepting that the ones in the bible are human errors that have crept their ways into GOD's scriptures. Go find a solution to your own dilemma first, before accusing others.

While the human errors in the bible are pardonable because man is fallible, the errors in the quran are not because God is not expected to make any one. It goes to prove the quran is not the word of the true God as muslims claim. Satan is not a perfect being.

The little differences in men's figures in the Bible have nothing to do with salvation. Solomon said ten horses and David said five for example. How material is that to salvation? As at the time 10 horses became 5, how are we sure 5 had not died or given out as gifts as the statement were not made the same year, they were made many years apart.

NL member: Contradictions everywhere. In the Koran Allah says they will all be assembled inside hell fire and in the hadith Muhammed said they won't end up in hell[b] but will do some tight rope competition before they go to heaven.[/b]
The same contradiction is found in under age marriage, Allah forbade under age marriage and at the same time he approved Moh's marriage to Aisha and gives them directions for divorcing pre adolescent girls in the Koran.

Even the tight robe competition is done from inside hell. For how long are they going to stay inside the hell before the Day of Resurrection when the competition will begin? All those that had died more than 1000 years ago are there waiting for the day of Judgment. To be in hellfire for a second is like being there for a million years. Tell me, why would God want his people that are qualified for heaven to be in hell first?

This issue of hell competition is in both quran and hadith yet they will say it is a lie. Who is lying? The quran or the hadith?

BetaThings: People just post contradictions in order to promote this work-in-progress called Christianity!
A religion that will lie about other religions is worth nobody's time

Mr Man, can you point out what is a lie in what any Christian said here. Everything we say are backed with proof from islamic sources. No liar is a follower of Holy Jesus.

I wonder why you would allege something to be a lie without pointing to the lie and debunk it.

[quote[/quote]@ Rossike

Can you afford to be an enemy of Alllllllmighty God? You can't even face a demon in battle.

Masta01: i pray god forgive your sins

What sin? Which sin?

yemioloyede: Ethics,morals & religion are different things. If islam encourages it, so what? What is our business? Like Christianity doesn’t have some 'weird' things. we've got enough problems of our own; beef amongst churches/pastors/worshippers, each of us thinking our church-doctrine is better than other church-doctrines, dressing-2-kill on sundays like church service is a beauty pageant but empty in spirit. GOD desires us winning souls 4 Him. like He cares about religion? U wasting your time criticising? “Na there you go dey” when someone 'worse' than you would be shown into heaven. i pray you won’t be shown the way to hell! Let them be!

FOR THE CONCLUSION OF PART 1: http://www.yemioloyede..com/2013/07/why-do-christians-believe-they-are.html
PART 2: http://www.yemioloyede..com/2013/07/why-do-we-christians-believe-we-are.html

Why are you comparing the dead with the living? Islam is a religion of hell introduced by Satan. The worst of the Christian is better than the best of the muslim. You cannot compare Satan with God.

F00028: what would happen if we were to apply the test of scripture in 2 Tim. 3:16 to the rest of the Bible?

2 Timothy 3:16
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable
A- for doctrine,
B- for reproof,
C- for correction,
D- for instruction in righteousness.

for example under which head will scripture like Judges 16:1 fall?

New Living Translation (©2007):
"One day Samson went to the Philistine
town of Gaza and spent the night with a
prostitute."

is it doctrine or instruction because it
doesnt contain any reproof or correction?

and what would be the fate of scripture that doesn't fit under any head?

Muhammad violated the Qur'anic law on the punishment of sex offenders

Fornication and adultery are two most serious offences in Islamic societies. The punitive measures, as enacted in the Qur’an are truly extremely harsh and barbaric.

Let us read the verse which deals with such grave crimes:

Punishment for adultery or fornication (both man and woman) is one hundred lashes in front of the believers:
The woman and the man guilty of adultery or fornication,- flog each of them with a hundred stripes: Let not compassion move you in their case, in a matter prescribed by Allah, if ye believe in Allah and the Last Day: and let a party of the Believers witness their punishment.
Qur'an 24:2

Strangely though, when it came to a friend of Muhammad, who admitted having committed a punishable offence (illegal sex, perhaps), Muhammad did not apply this Qur’anic rule. Here is a hadith from Sahih Bukhari on this violation of the Qur’an:

Muhammad did not punish a person for illegal sexual intercourse because the person prayed with him...

Narrated Anas bin Malik: While I was with the Prophet a man came and said, "O Allah's Apostle! I have committed a legally punishable sin; please inflict the legal punishment on me'.' The Prophet did not ask him what he had done. Then the time for the prayer became due and the man offered prayer along with the Prophet , and when the Prophet had finished his prayer, the man again got up and said, "O Allah's Apostle! I have committed a legally punishable sin; please inflict the punishment on me according to Allah's Laws." The Prophet said, "Haven't you prayed with us?' He said, "Yes." The Prophet said, "Allah has forgiven your sin." or said, "....your legally punishable sin."

What about that Mr OP?

Masta01: don't be brainwashed dude

You are inexcusable, oh man! You reject Jesus who is sinless and follow Muhammad who has records of various sins, including se.xual sins, lying, killings etc. Except for spiritual manipulations, how can a person in his normal senses consider such a person as a prophet of God?

In our today's world, if you see a person lying, womanizing, killing and preaching, would you call him a man of God? Stop deceiving your personal self.

God did not promise any prophet from the race of Ishmael. God's covenant was with only Isaac. Do you know Ishmael was cast out from Abraham's family? How would God appoint a prophet from the line of a cast out? It is like making an 'ozu' a king in Iboland.

@RoyPCain

The issue is not success or failure in crossing from hell. The real issue is that all muslims are in hell including Muhammad trying to cross to heaven as we read in that hadith, which is a confirmation of quran 19:68-72.

The truth is that it is only the muslims that are there in the hellfire, Christians, I mean real ones are promised heaven, not hell. It is Satan that could promise his adherents hell. Hell is meant for sinners.

When Muhammad said he went to heaven, he saw some people there. Those people were in heaven, not hell. It shows people can go to heaven without passing through hell. Otherwise they would have waited in hell for everybody to come for crossing.

Jesus came to this world and when he left, your quran says he is one of those near to God (3:45). Are you saying Jesus near God is in hell? I pray your spiritual mind will be cleared of errors. It is like truth has no meaning to muslims.

Unfortunately it is only the muslims allah has decreed that will pass to heaven from hell. DO YOU HAVE MARK OF PROSTRATION? If you don't have now, you had better rub your forehead very hard against the ground to get it turned black, otherwise you will not be identified and called out of hellfire.

But I put to you that anyone that finds himself in hellfire will not cross to heaven. What qualifies you to enter hell will make you stay there forever.

benodic: @ truthman2012

i do not usually waste my time with people with your level of spiritual understanding. you are free to believe whatever it is you want to believe just have enough grace to allow others to exercise their own believes.

you are very free to wait until you die before the scales of illusion will fall from your eyes and you will then know who is lying and who is telling the truth. it really does not bother me. for other souls who are bold and courageous enough to cross the borders of life and death in full consciousness their experience remains their authority and no amount of arguments or counter- arguments will remove their feet from the journey back to God

Jesus said you shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free.

John 14:6
Jesus said ''I am the WAY the TRUTH and the LIVE, nobody can come to God except by me''.

The truth is: you cannot see God or go to His heaven without Jesus. If you don't see the true Jesus where you go, it is not God's heaven.

I know you don't recognize Satan as an enemy of God and man. What I believe you know is light and darkness, which doesn't mean God and Satan. am I wrong?

What do you call Satan in your religion? You have not said the real name of your ''God'' in heaven where you go. Expecting!!

Hummm!

Would any muslim know the hadith and quranic interpretations more than Sahih Bukhari? The meaning of Bukhari Vol. 1, Book 12, Num. 770 is soo clear even to a primary school pupil.

Any need for an islamic scholar twisting it? Even Muhammad is said to cross from hell first. If Muhammad is therein, which muslim can be said to have better deed than him?

benodic: @ Mighty Sparrow



in the inner planes you naturally gravitate to the area that matches your state of consciousness and you see people that you have things in common with or a love bond with. i have nothing in common with Mrs Kumuyi so i have no interest in seeing her. suffice to say i have been privileged to visit some of my dead relatives who translated. that is the advantage ECKANKAR gives me.

Where you go is not God's heaven. It is called astral world where the Devil is their god. There is noway you can come across dead people there, they are not there. They might have shown you Jesus, Muhammad, Moses, Adam etc. They are not these people truely, demons impersonted them to deceive you. It is the deceiption of the Devil.

Astral travel - out of body experience is of the Devil, occultic practice. You can't decide to go to true God's heaven on your own. You either die to go there or taken there while alive for a purpose.

Apart from the name 'God' which any evil spirit can assume, there must be another name you call your 'lord' there if you want to tell the truth.

What is the other name you call your ''God'' in your ''heaven''.

RoyPCain: @truthman2012 and mintayo; below is 19 verses 64 thru 73 of the Quran. please show me where it says 'muslims' will be assembled in hell and says non muslims will not be in it burning, as Allah wills. when you can show this, you have the right to laugh. if not, i ask you to enter islam and safe yourself from fire and go to your loved ones with the guidance.
either God is talking to disbelievers alone or the whole of mankind, please tell me how you guys are not in either group.





please highlight where the all the muslims will be punished and all non muslims, or if you wish all christians will not be punished. i remember reading two verses in the bible; one says whoever abolish or tells any to abolish the least of the laws and the prophets he shall be the least in the kingdom. the other says Jesus will deny them and say to them he does not know them and they are evil doers though they have done wonders on his name for his glory. are you guys not lower than those christians doing wonders in the name and glory of Jesus? preaching for the glory of Jesus is one form of this.


verse 73 seems to address you individually as the one who does not believe the verses of the Quran which is the reason you are not muslims. so guess who will be left within it on their knees to burn?

Sahih Bukhari, Volume 1, Book 12 Number 770
Narated By Abu Huraira : The people said, "O Allah's Apostle! Shall we see our Lord on the Day of Resurrection?" He replied, "Do you have any doubt in seeing the full moon on a clear (not cloudy) night?" They replied, "No, O Allah's Apostle!" He said, "Do you have any doubt in seeing the sun when there are no clouds?" They replied in the negative. He said, "You will see Allah (your Lord) in the same way. On the Day of Resurrection, people will be gathered and He will order the people to follow what they used to worship. So some of them will follow the sun, some will follow the moon, and some will follow other deities; and only this nation (Muslims) will be left with its hypocrites. Allah will come to them and say, 'I am Your Lord.' They will say, 'We shall stay in this place till our Lord comes to us and when our Lord will come, we will recognize Him. Then Allah will come to them again and say, 'I am your Lord.' They will say, 'You are our Lord.' Allah will call them, and As-Sirat (a bridge) will be laid across Hell and I (Muhammad) shall be the first amongst the Apostles to cross it with my followers. Nobody except the Apostles will then be able to speak and they will be saying then, 'O Allah! Save us. O Allah Save us.'

There will be hooks like the thorns of Sa'dan in Hell. Have you seen the thorns of Sa'dan?" The people said, "Yes." He said, "These hooks will be like the thorns of Sa'dan but nobody except Allah knows their greatness in size and these will entangle the people according to their deeds; some of them will fall and stay in Hell forever; others will receive punishment (torn into small pieces) and will get out of Hell, till when Allah intends mercy on whomever He likes amongst the people of Hell, He will order the angels to take out of Hell those who worshipped none but Him alone. The angels will take them out by recognizing them from the traces of prostrations, for Allah has forbidden the (Hell) fire to eat away those traces. So they will come out of the Fire, it will eat away from the whole of the human body except the marks of the prostrations. AT THAT TIME THEY WILL COME OUT OF THE FIRE as mere skeletons..............

Can you interpret this in the light of Quran 19:68-72?

Mintayo: Though very funny,but it is a very serious issue.
Does it really matter,what diiference does it make-afterall,If d guy converts,then, He should be ready to visit hell...afterall,they are all to go to hell first.

Quran 19:68-72 says it is allah's decree that all muslims will be assembled in hell before some will be rescued out.

Bukhari Volume 1, Book 12, Number 770 describes the whole scenario: muslims with mark of prostration, those who worship none but allah will be called out of hellfire, looking like skeleton due to fierce fire burn. This is the reward for worshiping allah. I feel like crying for them.

Tell me brother, how can somebody see all this and still bent on going into hell? I pray from the bottom of my heart that God in His mercy will deliver the innocent among them.

With all this, a person with his eyes wide open wants to join the people condemned by allah's decree to go to hell. He needs much prayers.

golpen: ^ the topic of your article shouldn't have been 'explanations wanted', but should be 'arguments demanded' .

You should rather think people have gotten tired of your baseless inconstructive arguments, such that they've decided not to reply to your posts any longer...

But really, the more you try to dig up faults from what is absolutely faultless, the more you technically mislead yourself (just advising). But althrough your posts here, haven't you found one that is commendable of islam from all your conspiracy researches, for you to post?

Is that your explanation to the contradictory and conflicting quranic verses?

I would not blame you for making an attempt but your performance is below expectation.

You are very wrong to compare revelations to speeches. Do you know allah's revelations were stored into Muhammad's memory? allah was tampering with his memory to change or remove already revealed messages. Is that what you compare to words spoken into the air? Your knowledge is shallow.

Did allah make mistakes to reveal a message and later change/cancel it. He said he replaced them to put better ones. Who gave him the better idea? Who is more knowledgeable than him that gave him the better idea?

The truth is allah was changing his words anytime the need for manipulations were arising. And that was because he is a spirit that is not omniscient.

He would have been exornerated if he had not boasted that his words cannot change. He wanted to pretend to be the Almight God but has no capability to do so.

I only managed to pick some of your points, others are not related to the issue at hand.

Indirectly, you are a blessing to the muslim community on nairaland.com because you respond to any thread rightly or wrongly to pretend as if there are answers when others do not know what to say.

busar: This 'people' get problem o. Why the fear

You must be an illiterate person because your answer is totally off-point. Fear what, when God is on my side? It is in islam they have fears as slaves, children have no reason to fear.

I only pity the the person who wants to join a false religion. He will be very unfortunate to do so. All we can do is to warn him and if he refuses that is his problem.
Islam is yet to see any growth, unless the last day prophecies are not fulfilled - ''many shall be deceived''.

It is dangerous waiting till the day of judgement when there will no chance to make any ammendment.

The acid test is: any religion which its adherents cannot call on God directly and get an answer like the prophets of old is not from God.

If you have to contact ANY jinns in any form to get spiritual help, it is certain you are not calling on the true God. Every of God's people is expected to have direct access to God, not through a medium spirit. This is the exact thing babalawo (herbalists) do.

Spirits are either angels or demons (evil spirits). There is nothing like good jinns or bad jinns. A demon is a demon.

The reason Muhammad recognized jinns was because he was from a family that worshiped Jinns. Muttaleb, Muhammad's grandpa and AbduAllah, his father were practicing Jinn Religion. This culture was incorporated into islam by Gabriel, who claimed to be God's angel.

How can you say you believe in One-God but contact him through demons. May God deliver you from bondage.

Has anyone seen the sick, the blind, the dead getting miracles in the name of allah? When did God stop performing miracles through believers? Today, born again Christians do cast out demons in Jesus name. I have done that before and can do it anytime the need arises. This is an assurance that God is on our side.

Satan cannot not do miracles but magic. How can he make the blind to see when he cannot create spare eyes? He is not a creator. He cannot create ant.

Somebody had fever, Muhammad could not pray for him but directed him to take water from Zamzam well. A well dug by Muttaleb his grandpa, a jinn worshiper. Is that how the true prophets operated? What spiritual power did he possess as God's prophet?

RoyPCain: the seal of the prophets of God exclusively for the bloodline of Jacob [as to all of them]

seal of prophet to all mankind is Muhammad [sa].


when you read the Quran, you see that God told him [sa] to tell all mankind, regardless of ethnicity that he is the prophet to them from their Lord.

This alone is a proof of the universality of the message and prophetic office that God gave Holy Prophet [sa] to shoulder.

I wonder why you still refer to Muhammad as a holy prophet despite his unholy deed, which you are aware of. Why do you choose to deceive yourself?

How would a sinner, a corrupt one at that like Muhammad be Holy God's prophet?

Tell me, which other prophet is as sinful and corrupt as Muhammad? How does a known sinner qualify
as God's prophet? The best such a man can be is a prophet of allah, an arabian god. It is only with gods sins are no offences.

I know you will leave these vital points and dwell on the unnecessary, unless you have changed from the RoyPCain I used to know.

Masta01: this is the dumbest post have seen on nairaland.

It must be the dumbest to you because it proves Muhammad is a false prophet.

Quran 6:115]
Perfected is the Word of thy Lord in truth and justice. There is naught that can change His words. He is the Hearer, the Knower.

[Quran 10:64] Theirs are good tidings in the life of the world and in the Hereafter - There is no changing the Words of Allah - that is the Supreme Triumph.

A reverse of the above

Quran 16:101]
And when We put a revelation in place of (another) revelation, - and Allah knoweth best what He revealeth - they say: Lo! thou art but inventing. Most of them know not.

[Quran 2:106] Nothing of our revelation (even a single verse) do we abrogate or cause be forgotten, but we bring (in place) one better or the like thereof. Knowest thou not that Allah is Able to do all things?

Can anyone explain why Allah had to be changing His revelations after he had said nothing can change his words and in fact there is no changing his words?

Do not work for food that spoils, but for food that endures to eternal life, which the Son of Man will give you. On him God the Father has placed[b] HIS SEAL OF APPROVAL."
[/b]John 6:27

Here the Bible says Jesus is the SEAL of prophets

"He then began to speak to them in parables: ‘A man planted a vineyard. He put a wall around it, dug a pit for the winepress and built a watchtower. Then he rented the vineyard to some farmers and went away on a journey. At harvest time he sent a servant to the tenants to collect from them some of the fruit of the vineyard. But they seized him, beat him and sent him away empty-handed. Then he sent another servant to them; they struck this man on the head and treated him shamefully. He sent still another, and that one they killed. He sent many others; some of them they beat, others they killed. HE HAD ONE LEFT TO SEND, A SON, WHOM HE LOVED. He sent him LAST OF ALL, saying, "They will respect my son." But the tenants said to one another, "THIS IS THE HEIR. Come, let's kill him, and the inheritance will be ours." So they took him and killed him, and threw him out of the vineyard.’"
Mark 12:1-8

Jesus likened Himself to the last of God's prophet.

Therefore anyone including Muhammad who claims to be a prophet after Jesus is false. He must be one of the false prophets Jesus talked about.

vedaxcool: ^
please apply common sense and address the thread!

Jesus would wage war on men on his ssecond coming. true or false.

this war would be exceedingly violent true or false!

that is the point of the op!

smh at the poor response, very soon a conclusion would be drawn on the op.

You lack good manners. No wonder nobody is interested in your thread. Keep asking and answering your questions by yourself. Silence is the best answer for people like you. Sioooo.

vedaxcool: smh 49 view no Reply.

Let me ask you some questions on your thread:

1. Do you now believe what the Bible says there or you are quoting it for argument sake?

2. Do you know the difference between Judaism and Christianity?

3. If war is good and recommended in Christianity, how many wars have been fought by Christians since Jesus came? I mean christians as men of God and not nations.

The war in Revelation 19 will be a war by host of heaven against satan and his host of demons (jinns), which is going to consume evil men along with them. It is not going to be a religious war (jihad), but war beween forces of light and forces of darkness.

omo alaro: II CHRONICLES CHAPTER 9
25. And Solomon had four thousand stalls for horses and chariots, and twelve thousand horsemen; whom he bestowed in the chariot cities, and with the king at Jerusalem.

I KINGS CHAPTER 4
26 And Solomon had forty thousand stalls of horses for his chariots, and twelve thousand horsemen.

Truely, the bible is the word of God.

What you people call contradictions in the Bible are not truly so. It is due to lack of knowledge of the Bible or deliberate intention to find fault where there is none. I have taken time to explain a number of the so-called contradictions in the muslims section.

Coming back to your alleged contradiction, you might not have gone through the places you quoted, it might be that you saw it written on the net and noted it without considering whether it is true of false.

II CHRONICLES CHAPTER 9:25 and I Kings 4:26 were not written in the same hour, day, month or year. Do you think Solomon's property would remain the same number or value throughout his life? I Kings 4:26 says it was forty thousand stalls of horses, while II Chronicles says it was four thousand. What gave you the impression that the difference was not due to Solomon giving them out as gifts. II Chronicles 9:12 says Solomon gave to Queen Sheba all her desire. How are sure some of the stalls of horses were not given to her. How are you sure he was not giving them out even to unknown others between the space of time from I Kings and II Chronicles.

My friend, come up with another one if you have, but this one cannot be said to be a contradiction. Thank you.

Buhkari Volume 6, Book 61, Number 558

Narrated By 'Aisha : Allah's Apostle heard a man reciting the Qur'an at night, and said, "May Allah bestow His Mercy on him, as he has reminded me of such-and-such Verses of such-and-such Suras, which I was caused to forget."

Bukhari Volume 6, Book 61, Number 562

Narrated By 'Aisha : The Prophet heard a reciter reciting, the Qur'an in the mosque at night. The Prophet said, "May Allah bestow His Mercy on him, as he has reminded me of such-and-such Verses of such and-such Suras, which I missed!"

(Ibid., p. 112- citing Muslim Hudud 15 and also No.3421; Ibn Maja Hudud 9

Aisha relates that, “Ten verses were revealed concerning a foster relationship. These were annulled and replaced by another five verses.” Yet both the abrogated and abrogating verses are nowhere to be found. She also stated: “The verses of stoning and fostering were revealed, and the sheet of paper on which they were written was under my pillow. But then the Prophet died. Overwhelmed with grief, a beast came in and ate the sheet of paper.”

The above makes us to know that the prophet forgot many verses of the Scriptures only to be reminded later. The question therefore is: since he was subject to forgetting revelations, how many of such verses could have been forgotten before he could give them to the reciters? One would have thought he should be empowered not to forget any of the revelations to preserve them in their original state.

In compiling the Book, there is a source that says some verses were nowhere to be found and some eaten up by beasts.

How can it therefore be said that the revelations were preserved or the Book complete. Still glorious?